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*See also [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1993-01-01-Rayson_%26_Friends,_Vol._2,_Part_4#WORK Work] ex rel Deity (11/11/93)

*See also [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1993-01-01-Rayson_%26_Friends,_Vol._2,_Part_4#WORK Work] ex rel Deity (11/11/93)

===NEGATIVITY===

===='''''[[Negativity]]'''''====

[The following is a transcript of a conversation between Rayson and a Student who was depressed, discouraged, and with a negative attitude.]

[The following is a [[transcript]] of a [[conversation]] between Rayson and a [[student]] who was [[depressed]], [[discouraged]], and with a [[negative]] [[attitude]].]

Q: Yeah, what am I doing wrong? It just seems there is never enough joy, time, happiness, love - any of those things, and L. Time goes by so fast doing things that I don't enjoy that I don't have time to do those things that I do enjoy. And maybe you know that the last few weeks I've felt worried and negative about. I've just gone through a period of negativity and frustration about my life. And I wonder if sometimes I just feel like.. God doesn't give us more than we can handle, but when is it ever going to change? You know, I feel like sometimes my back is going to be broken. I'd so much rather spend time or becoming a T/R like we've talked about and doing creative and fulfilling and special things that make a difference, and yet I find myself - its just - an existence for me right now. There are moments of joy - I don't want to look at it in total negativity - but I almost feel like the subtext of the lesson was "lets talk to (S) here, she's losing her mind." What am I not - where have I not got it in life? What am I doing wrong?

Q: Yeah, what am I doing wrong? It just seems there is never enough [[joy]], [[time]], [[happiness]], [[love]] - any of those things, and L. Time goes by so fast doing things that I don't enjoy that I don't have [[time]] to do those things that I do [[enjoy]]. And maybe you know that the last few weeks I've felt [[worried]] and [[negative]] about. I've just gone through a period of [[negativity]] and [[frustration]] about my life. And I [[wonder]] if sometimes I just [[feel]] like.. [[God]] doesn't give us more than we can handle, but when is it ever going to [[change]]? You know, I feel like sometimes my back is going to be broken. I'd so much rather spend time or [[becoming]] a [[T/R]] like we've talked about and doing [[creative]] and fulfilling and special things that make a [[difference]], and yet I find myself - its just - an [[existence]] for me right now. There are [[moments]] of [[joy]] - I don't want to look at it in total [[negativity]] - but I almost feel like the subtext of the lesson was "lets talk to (S) here, she's losing her [[mind]]." What am I not - where have I not got it in life? What am I doing wrong?

A: Your basic statement is one that has been uttered by all form of free-will creatures from the most basic small child all the way to agondonters, and the fact that you have these feelings shows that you are proceeding correctly. The passage from the life in the flesh offers relief from physical pain as you know it, however there are always many pressures, many demands. There are those tasks we are joyous in executing, and those that we dread but attempt to gladly carry out. It will ever be for you, my friend, throughout the period of your universe existence. The fact that you are conscious of your pain and joy is a wonderful sign for it means that you are not anaesthetic as are so many of your fellow beings on Urantia, so deeply mired in their preoccupation with the physical life that they have no conscious, or little conscious awareness of anything beyond. You have had spiritual stirrings for quite some time, and they have reached a level at which you feel an urgency to step up to the next level. Be patient, and it shall occur more quickly than you might expect. It is most likely that you have not yet sorted out certain issues that are important for your own growth. Once this is completed then you shall advance to the level that I believe you desire. Does that help?

A: Your basic [[statement]] is one that has been uttered by all form of [[free-will]] [[creatures]] from the most basic small child all the way to [[agondonters]], and the [[fact]] that you have these [[feelings]] shows that you are [[proceeding]] correctly. The passage from the life in the [[flesh]] offers relief from [[physical]] [[pain]] as you know it, however there are always many [[pressures]], many demands. There are those tasks we are [[joyous]] in executing, and those that we dread but attempt to [[gladly]] carry out. It will ever be for you, my [[friend]], throughout the period of your [[universe]] [[existence]]. The [[fact]] that you are [[conscious]] of your [[pain]] and [[joy]] is a [[wonderful]] [[sign]] for it means that you are not [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anesthesia anaesthetic] as are so many of your fellow beings on [[Urantia]], so deeply mired in their preoccupation with the [[physical]] life that they have no conscious, or little [[conscious]] [[awareness]] of anything beyond. You have had spiritual stirrings for quite some time, and they have reached a level at which you [[feel]] an urgency to step up to the next level. Be [[patient]], and it shall occur more quickly than you might [[expect]]. It is most likely that you have not yet sorted out certain issues that are important for your own [[growth]]. Once this is completed then you shall advance to the level that I [[believe]] you [[desire]]. Does that help?

S: Mmm. Kind of. I know I just feel like a material existence is so . .. it’s just such a struggle.

S: Mmm. Kind of. I know I just [[feel]] like a [[material]] [[existence]] is so . .. it’s just such a [[struggle]].

R: Of course.

R: Of course.

Q: But what's the point? You know, how much more... I think I've got it in terms of information, and what to do and all that. I feel like I've been give so many gifts and strengths that are going to waste because I'm having to live this life as - just to make it - a day to day kind of things, I just -

Q: But what's the [[point]]? You know, how much more... I think I've got it in terms of [[information]], and what to do and all that. I [[feel]] like I've been give so many [[gifts]] and [[strengths]] that are going to [[waste]] because I'm having to live this life as - just to make it - a day to day kind of things, I just -

A: To the contrary. Your gifts and strengths need a field of experience to be exercised upon, none better than adversity. Adversity will not stop when you die on earth - when you leave this body. This is only the beginning.

A: To the [[contrary]]. Your [[gifts]] and [[strengths]] need a field of [[experience]] to be [[exercised]] upon, none better than [[adversity]]. Adversity will not stop when you die on [[earth]] - when you leave this [[body]]. This is only the beginning.

Q: Well how come some people have it easy and others don't? I just would like to not have to keep looking two weeks ahead to make it financially, or not being able to help my daughter, or this person or the other person? Or when does that get better? What change? You know I'm in a struggle all the time, all my life?

Q: Well how come some people have it easy and others don't? I just would like to not have to keep looking two weeks ahead to make it [[financially]], or not being able to help my daughter, or this [[person]] or the other person? Or when does that get better? What [[change]]? You know I'm in a [[struggle]] all the time, all my life?

A: Yes. Nobody has it easy. That is an illusion. But if one is anaesthetic, one can more easily display that illusion of ease and comfort.

A: Yes. Nobody has it easy. That is an [[illusion]]. But if one is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anesthesia anaesthetic], one can more easily display that [[illusion]] of ease and [[comfort]].

Q: All of my life there is never enough money, never enough joys, no love, all these things, will I always be like that?

Q: All of my life there is never enough [[money]], never enough [[joys]], no [[love]], all these [[things]], will I always be like that?

A: There will always be struggle and adversity. Love and joy, however, will grow. Peace will eventually come, and acceptance, as your perspective grows beyond this tiny portion of your existence and you begin to see the benefits of struggle. Would you grow more satisfactorily if you were in a coma, on a ventilator with intravenous feedings, and personal attendant’s twenty-four hours a day? You would have no worries. You would have no pain. But would you grow?

A: There will always be [[struggle]] and [[adversity]]. [[Love]] and [[joy]], however, will [[grow]]. [[Peace]] will [[eventually]] come, and [[acceptance]], as your [[perspective]] grows beyond this tiny portion of your [[existence]] and you begin to see the benefits of [[struggle]]. Would you grow more satisfactorily if you were in a [[coma]], on a ventilator with intravenous feedings, and personal attendant’s twenty-four hours a day? You would have no [[worries]]. You would have no [[pain]]. But would you [[grow]]?

S: No. Is that an equation as to what most of the populous is doing? That has no struggle? Or has enough money? Or lives in a nice house? Or goes with the in-thing. Just for once I would like some creature comforts.

S: No. Is that an [[equation]] as to what most of the populous is doing? That has no [[struggle]]? Or has enough [[money]]? Or lives in a nice house? Or goes with the in-thing. Just for once I would like some creature [[comforts]].

R: I offer a contrast to show that experience is necessary in order to grow, probably in order to survive. Those to whom you refer with houses with roofs, and so on, have problems of their own that come with acquisition of material goals. They have taxes to pay, lawyers to meet, insurance companies to deal with. They too complain that they never have enough. Toilets overflowing, sick children, dying parents, failing health, the list goes on and on: relatives in prison, worries about burglars and thieves. In a way it is a blessing to have relatively little in terms of material possessions. The Master certainly did not become a wealthy man during his life on Urantia. Material goods are very imprisoning. They require care and maintenance, and protection from thieves, those who would take them from you. What do you have now that someone would steal from you?

R: I offer a [[contrast]] to show that [[experience]] is [[necessary]] in order to [[grow]], probably in order to [[survive]]. Those to whom you refer with houses with roofs, and so on, have [[problems]] of their own that come with [[acquisition]] of [[material]] [[goals]]. They have [[taxes]] to pay, lawyers to meet, insurance companies to deal with. They too [[complain]] that they never have enough. Toilets overflowing, sick [[children]], dying [[parents]], failing [[health]], the list goes on and on: [[relatives]] in [[prison]], [[worries]] about burglars and [[thieves]]. In a way it is a [[blessing]] to have relatively little in terms of [[material]] [[possessions]]. [[The Master]] certainly did not become a [[wealthy]] man during his life on [[Urantia]]. [[Material]] [[goods]] are very [[imprisoning]]. They require [[care]] and [[maintenance]], and [[protection]] from [[thieves]], those who would take them from you. What do you have now that someone would steal from you?

S: Everything. I don't know. My car, break into my house, take a TV that I don't even own, you know, the material things that I own. I think I understand.

S: [[Everything]]. I don't know. My car, break into my house, take a TV that I don't even own, you know, the [[material]] things that I own. I think I [[understand]].

R: So you do have material possessions?

R: So you do have [[material]] [[possessions]]?

S: Yes. It’s not that. I'm sorry, good night, always turn out the light. I have a dialogue in my head. You must hear me. You know I have a beautiful place to live, and I love that, and it’s just that I feel like I'm clawing and scratching every day.

S: Yes. It’s not that. I'm sorry, good night, always turn out the light. I have a [[dialogue]] in my head. You must hear me. You know I have a [[beautiful]] place to live, and I [[love]] that, and it’s just that I [[feel]] like I'm clawing and scratching every day.

R: That is true. That is why you are here. You clawed and scratched your way here.

R: That is true. That is why you are here. You clawed and scratched your way here.

S: To this room, or to the planet or...

S: To this room, or to the [[planet]] or...

R: To this room, to this lesson. (

R: To this room, to this lesson. (

S: I know, I know.) You're pretty good at it. [laughter.]

S: I know, I know.) You're pretty good at it. [[[laughter]].]

S: I'm tired of it. I really am tired of it.

S: I'm tired of it. I really am tired of it.

R: But you are very good.

R: But you are very [[good]].

S: But I don't want to do it any more.

S: But I don't want to do it any more.

R: Well you have no choice. So be glad that you are accomplished at clawing and scratching. Those are useful skills for your physical existence. But take care that you do not claw and scratch the wrong person.

R: Well you have no [[choice]]. So be glad that you are accomplished at clawing and scratching. Those are useful [[skills]] for your [[physical]] [[existence]]. But take care that you do not claw and scratch the wrong [[person]].

S: You know me better.

S: You know me better.

R: You are very young yet. Most of your life is ahead of you. Some say that it is useful in the material world to set concrete goals, such as where one would care to be in one year, in two years, in five years, ten, twenty-five, fifty. In fact, (S) is a master at such planning, and may even be willing to offer advice, although if you claw and scratch he will not be so happy to receive you. [Laughter]

R: You are very [[young]] yet. Most of your life is ahead of you. Some say that it is useful in the [[material world]] to set concrete [[goals]], such as where one would care to be in one year, in two years, in five years, ten, twenty-five, fifty. In [[fact]], (S) is a master at such [[planning]], and may even be willing to offer [[advice]], although if you claw and scratch he will not be so [[happy]] to receive you. [[[Laughter]]]

S: I don't know. I think it just has to do with a feeling of being so ineffectual in the world in terms of helping others,

S: I don't know. I think it just has to do with a [[feeling]] of being so ineffectual in the world in terms of helping others,

R: Well, just look around and see everybody -

R: Well, just look around and see everybody -

S: Yeah, that's when it really works, ad infinitum. I was just - if I didn't have to do what I'm doing to make a living I could be doing things that was helping other people But I feel like I am so caught up in my own clawing and scratching and surviving that I can't even scratch the surface of helping.

S: Yeah, that's when it really works, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_infinitum ad infinitum]. I was just - if I didn't have to do what I'm doing to make a living I could be doing things that was helping other people But I [[feel]] like I am so caught up in my own clawing and scratching and [[surviving]] that I can't even scratch the [[surface]] of helping.

S2: Rayson, I don't think she realizes the good that she does. That is her problem.

S2: Rayson, I don't think she [[realizes]] the [[good]] that she does. That is her [[problem]].

R: My friends, by leading your life as a responsible citizen, as a loving mother, as a caring friend, you are fulfilling the demand for service on Urantia already. To go beyond that is not necessary right now for you. Master those areas first, and you will find that you are more peaceful within.

R: My [[friends]], by leading your life as a [[responsible]] [[citizen]], as a loving [[mother]], as a caring [[friend]], you are fulfilling the demand for [[service]] on [[Urantia]] already. To go beyond that is not [[necessary]] right now for you. Master those areas first, and you will find that you are more [[peaceful]] within.

S: (Voice too low to make out words) after that, you know.

S: (Voice too low to make out words) after that, you know.

R: I am certain that (S) would be most happy to help. And perhaps in doing so he will discover the key to your project together.

R: I am certain that (S) would be most [[happy]] to help. And perhaps in doing so he will [[discover]] the key to your [[project]] [[together]].

S: That would be helpful. That is very clear to me.

S: That would be helpful. That is very [[clear]] to me.

R: There are many, many others on Urantia who feel as you do. And such feelings may impede one's personal growth if not dealt with appropriately. You are doing well, but others are not as perceptive as you. And perhaps the combined efforts of you and (S) might be very useful in helping those others as well as helping yourself personally.

R: There are many, many others on [[Urantia]] who [[feel]] as you do. And such feelings may impede one's [[personal growth]] if not dealt with appropriately. You are doing well, but others are not as [[perceptive]] as you. And perhaps the combined [[efforts]] of you and (S) might be very useful in helping those others as well as helping yourself [[personally]].

S: Thank you. I'm sorry.

S: Thank you. I'm sorry.

R: You are welcome. And there is no need for apology.

R: You are welcome. And there is no need for [[apology]].

S: I wish to thank you, Rayson, for just being here today and sharing your thoughts with us. We certainly look forward to seeing you next weekend. (06/19/93)

S: I wish to thank you, Rayson, for just being here today and [[sharing]] your thoughts with us. We certainly look forward to seeing you next weekend. (06/19/93)

[One week later.]

[One week later.]

S: I call myself "Whiny" today. Two things. One, you spoke about remorse, that it's not useful, but I do want to communicate to you that I do have a bit of remorse about carrying on so last week, and conversely I want to thank you for the lesson that I got. And I want to thank you for the physical help. I do believe you contributed to balancing me out. Would you confirm this?

S: I call myself "Whiny" today. Two things. One, you [[spoke]] about [[remorse]], that it's not useful, but I do want to [[communicate]] to you that I do have a bit of remorse about carrying on so last week, and conversely I want to [[thank]] you for the lesson that I got. And I want to thank you for the [[physical]] help. I do [[believe]] you contributed to balancing me out. Would you [[confirm]] this?

A: Yes, of course. It was a classic example of a teacher-student relationship.

A: Yes, of course. It was a [[classic]] example of a [[teacher]]-[[student]] [[relationship]].

S: Well, I really got the lesson, and I just apologize for seeing my glass as half-empty instead of half-full. There were things that were shared after the lesson was officially over that were really wake-up calls to me. And I'm very, very grateful for having that now as what I call a reference point in eternity to remember if I ever get going off the deep end again. But I think a lot of it was a physical, hormonal, wackiness, and I apologize to the other side for my self-absorbed behavior.

S: Well, I really got the lesson, and I just [[apologize]] for seeing my glass as half-empty instead of half-full. There were things that were [[shared]] after the lesson was officially over that were really [[wake]]-up calls to me. And I'm very, very [[grateful]] for having that now as what I call a [[reference]] point in [[eternity]] to remember if I ever get going off the deep end again. But I think a lot of it was a [[physical]], [[hormonal]], wackiness, and I apologize to the other side for my self-absorbed [[behavior]].

R: There is no need to apologize. When you express that which is at the forefront of your thoughts, unknown to you, you speak for many who remain silent but listen intently. And the lesson, the content that comes forward in response, soothes the minds of others besides yourself. So it is actually a generous act for you to bear your true feelings in such a way.

R: There is no need to apologize. When you [[express]] that which is at the forefront of your [[thoughts]], [[unknown]] to you, you speak for many who remain [[silent]] but [[listen]] intently. And the lesson, the [[content]] that comes forward in [[response]], soothes the [[minds]] of others besides yourself. So it is actually a [[generous]] act for you to bear your true [[feelings]] in such a way.

S: Well, thanks for that. I understand what you are saying, and I just thank you. (06/26/93)

S: Well, thanks for that. I [[understand]] what you are saying, and I just thank you. (06/26/93)

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