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LinEL: Yes, Julie, this is [[absolutely]] true. In fact it is a wonderful [[practice]] for you all to address the others' [[Thought Adjusters]]. And indeed, since thought adjusters can intercommunicate freely, you will find many interesting results from this [[practice]]. You are greeting the [[essence]] of the spiritual [[self]] of this person in so doing. Therefore, their [[future]] true self in combination. This is an excellent [[practice]], and I encourage you all to try this. Thank you, Julie, for bringing this up.

LinEL: Yes, Julie, this is [[absolutely]] true. In fact it is a wonderful [[practice]] for you all to address the others' [[Thought Adjusters]]. And indeed, since thought adjusters can intercommunicate freely, you will find many interesting results from this [[practice]]. You are greeting the [[essence]] of the spiritual [[self]] of this person in so doing. Therefore, their [[future]] true self in combination. This is an excellent [[practice]], and I encourage you all to try this. Thank you, Julie, for bringing this up.

===='''''[[Flow]]'''''====

===='''''[[Flow]]'''''====

Mark: Which kind of brings me to my question. I [[read]] something today in the [[Will]] papers, about [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:1-2-3_Exercise the one, two, three]. One of them was about letting the spirit of [[love]] of [[God]] [[flow]] through you to another [[person]]. And, I can think of one really [[ideal]] situation for that, is that you already love the person, and you're just letting the love flow through you more readily. But, in [[difficult]] situations, or people you don't even know, aside from just [[accepting]] them, how do you allow that to happen? It seems ingenuous, in a way.

Mark: Which kind of brings me to my question. I [[read]] something today in the [[Will]] papers, about [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:1-2-3_Exercise the one, two, three]. One of them was about letting the spirit of [[love]] of [[God]] [[flow]] through you to another [[person]]. And, I can think of one really [[ideal]] situation for that, is that you already love the person, and you're just letting the love flow through you more readily. But, in [[difficult]] situations, or people you don't even know, aside from just [[accepting]] them, how do you allow that to happen? It seems ingenuous, in a way.

LinEL: There are several aspects to this [[question]] that are sometimes [[difficult]]. In order to allow [[the Father]]'s love through you, you must first yourself [[accept]] the Father's love sufficiently to be open, to be able to open to others and be that [[channel]]. In [[difficult]] circumstances, you are reminded of the [[fact]] that it is impossible to [[love]] other persons by the mere [[act]] of will. In many cases, what loving another person is is opening yourself to be a [[channel]] of [[the Father]]'s love for that person. You can seek, of course, even in difficult circumstances, to remember this is a child of the Father, to try to [[understand]] as best you can. But nothing will replace your [[communion]] with the Father, and permitting yourself to feel [[worthy]] of his love as a way to build up the spiritual [[strength]] to allow you to actually love people when you are faced with those [[difficult]] decisions and difficult situations. Is this any help?

LinEL: There are several aspects to this [[question]] that are sometimes [[difficult]]. In order to allow [[the Father]]'s love through you, you must first yourself [[accept]] the Father's love sufficiently to be open, to be able to open to others and be that [[channel]]. In [[difficult]] circumstances, you are reminded of the [[fact]] that it is impossible to [[love]] other persons by the mere [[act]] of will. In many cases, what loving another person is is opening yourself to be a [[channel]] of [[the Father]]'s love for that person. You can seek, of course, even in difficult circumstances, to remember this is a child of the Father, to try to [[understand]] as best you can. But nothing will replace your [[communion]] with the Father, and permitting yourself to feel [[worthy]] of his love as a way to build up the spiritual [[strength]] to allow you to actually love people when you are faced with those [[difficult]] decisions and difficult situations. Is this any help?

David: I have a [[question]] along the lines of the [[intellectualism]] vs. loving [[understanding]] and understanding true [[meanings]]. I've had kind of a long time question that I've worked on a little bit, and maybe you can help me answer that. And that is . . with regards to what I understand to be [[the sciences]] or [[mathematics]], the understanding of our [[physical]] world...does any of that have spiritual [[value]]? And also, for people that have a hard time with math here, do you have math on the [[morontia]] level? Is that kind of stuff important?

David: I have a [[question]] along the lines of the [[intellectualism]] vs. loving [[understanding]] and understanding true [[meanings]]. I've had kind of a long time question that I've worked on a little bit, and maybe you can help me answer that. And that is . . with regards to what I understand to be [[the sciences]] or [[mathematics]], the understanding of our [[physical]] world...does any of that have spiritual [[value]]? And also, for people that have a hard time with math here, do you have math on the [[morontia]] level? Is that kind of stuff important?

LinEL: I will have to answer this [[question]] in two parts. First, yes there is [[spiritual]] [[content]] in the [[learning]] of these things. There is perhaps more spiritual content from where we stand than has perhaps happened on [[your planet]]. Part of this is due to your current [[philosophical]] state of affairs, less than that [[humans]] in your situation cannot [[receive]] the benefit. Even now, as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory chaos theory], and its . . . so-called chaos theory...and some of its [[effects]] are beginning to reach many [[minds]], the opening up again of the [[wonder]] of [[the Father]]'s incredible [[plan]] is being again present in [[scientific]] [[minds]]. The natural [[scientific]] [[response]] to all the marvels of [[learning]] is to indeed marvel at the tremendous [[creation]]. [[Science]] can be a very powerful way to be [[inspired]]. However, it does have its [[roots]] in more [[material]] form. And I would say to you, that folks on [[this planet]], who do not necessarily have this bent, do not necessarily [[learn]] your equivalent of [[mathematics]] when they [[progress]]. Everyone has different [[abilities]] and [[skills]], and different projected roles in the [[future]]. However, they will all learn certain philosophical conceptual aspects, where the [[spiritual]] element is present. So, if you didn't learn your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra algebra], I have to tell you you may get out of it on the [[mansion worlds]]. However, what it truly means, you will indeed want to [[learn]], and will learn in time. I [[realize]] this is not a complete answer, but perhaps it will begin.

LinEL: I will have to answer this [[question]] in two parts. First, yes there is [[spiritual]] [[content]] in the [[learning]] of these things. There is perhaps more spiritual content from where we stand than has perhaps happened on [[your planet]]. Part of this is due to your current [[philosophical]] state of affairs, less than that [[humans]] in your situation cannot [[receive]] the benefit. Even now, as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory chaos theory], and its . . . so-called chaos theory...and some of its [[effects]] are beginning to reach many [[minds]], the opening up again of the [[wonder]] of [[the Father]]'s incredible [[plan]] is being again present in [[scientific]] [[minds]]. The natural [[scientific]] [[response]] to all the marvels of [[learning]] is to indeed marvel at the tremendous [[creation]]. [[Science]] can be a very powerful way to be [[inspired]]. However, it does have its [[roots]] in more [[material]] form. And I would say to you, that folks on [[this planet]], who do not necessarily have this bent, do not necessarily [[learn]] your equivalent of [[mathematics]] when they [[progress]]. Everyone has different [[abilities]] and [[skills]], and different projected roles in the [[future]]. However, they will all learn certain philosophical conceptual aspects, where the [[spiritual]] element is present. So, if you didn't learn your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra algebra], I have to tell you you may get out of it on the [[mansion worlds]]. However, what it truly means, you will indeed want to [[learn]], and will learn in time. I [[realize]] this is not a complete answer, but perhaps it will begin.

David: It's a provocative answer.

David: It's a provocative answer.

LinEL: This is basic.

LinEL: This is basic.

Doug: And I'm just looking for any clues toward reaching my [[Adjuster]], and the first step to finding a [[teacher]].

Doug: And I'm just looking for any clues toward reaching my [[Adjuster]], and the first step to finding a [[teacher]].

LinEL: I am glad that you do come, Barbara.

LinEL: I am glad that you do come, Barbara.

===='''''[[Cycles]]''''', '''''[[Anger]]''''', '''''[[Intimacy]]'''''====

===='''''[[Cycles]]''''', '''''[[Anger]]''''', '''''[[Intimacy]]'''''====

Barbara: I [[recognize]] in this a pattern in my life that began when I was very young. Putting an arm's distance between myself and [[spiritual]] matters. And I know of the reasons why it happens. It happens [[consistently]]. I do a [[dance]]--close and then far away, close and then far away. What I'd like to know is, what do you suggest in terms of . . .when I really feel resistant to things I know I should do, and that will bring me closer to [[the Father]], what kinds of things can I do to foster the [[desire]]? That's what's gone--the [[desire]]. I'm [[bored]]. It feels like what it did when I used to go to [[church]], and I'd just sit there and be bored. I wasn't bored with the people I was with, but with the [[message]]. And there's something dreadfully wrong with that.

Barbara: I [[recognize]] in this a pattern in my life that began when I was very young. Putting an arm's distance between myself and [[spiritual]] matters. And I know of the reasons why it happens. It happens [[consistently]]. I do a [[dance]]--close and then far away, close and then far away. What I'd like to know is, what do you suggest in terms of . . .when I really feel resistant to things I know I should do, and that will bring me closer to [[the Father]], what kinds of things can I do to foster the [[desire]]? That's what's gone--the [[desire]]. I'm [[bored]]. It feels like what it did when I used to go to [[church]], and I'd just sit there and be bored. I wasn't bored with the people I was with, but with the [[message]]. And there's something dreadfully wrong with that.