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Cindy: Yes. I was personally [[reflecting]] that that childlikeness is something that I have always [[valued]], and the [[playfulness]]. So it's nice to hear that validated and that is important.

Cindy: Yes. I was personally [[reflecting]] that that childlikeness is something that I have always [[valued]], and the [[playfulness]]. So it's nice to hear that validated and that is important.

LinEL: Some of you may find this [[process]] of rediscovering your [[Inner Life|inner self]] far more painful than [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teething teething]. (Moans and [[laughter]]) That is why I suggest you approach this inner [[discovery]] through playfulness. It is perhaps one of the least [[painful]] ways to find this. And also, ask [[the Father]] to show you, ask the Father for [[guidance]].

LinEL: Some of you may find this [[process]] of rediscovering your [[Inner Life|inner self]] far more painful than [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teething teething]. (Moans and [[laughter]]) That is why I suggest you approach this inner [[discovery]] through playfulness. It is perhaps one of the least [[painful]] ways to find this. And also, ask [[the Father]] to show you, ask the Father for [[guidance]].

David: Are there examples in the [[Urantia Book]] such as in [[Christ]]'s life where we may find what you are talking about?

David: Are there examples in the [[Urantia Book]] such as in [[Christ]]'s life where we may find what you are talking about?

LinEL: I cannot recommend a single passage. This is something that in your current state of [[social]] [[evolution]] is an easier [[concept]] to discuss now. It was not so [[discussed]] then. I would [[encourage]] you to read all of [[the Master]]'s life's papers. There is much [[enlightenment]], much [[enjoyment]], much [[discovery]] in all of these.

LinEL: I cannot recommend a single passage. This is something that in your current state of [[social]] [[evolution]] is an easier [[concept]] to discuss now. It was not so [[discussed]] then. I would [[encourage]] you to read all of [[the Master]]'s life's papers. There is much [[enlightenment]], much [[enjoyment]], much [[discovery]] in all of these.

Delores: I liked what you said about creating a [[space]] because just this week from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Nine Deep Space Nine], when Quark was trying to bribe Odo, and he said "Wouldn't you like to" - he melts into a bucket at night - "sleep in a solid gold bucket?" And he thought about it. And I thought about gold and I looked at this wedding ring and it has a special [[light]] to it. You know, real [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold gold] is something really special, and I sort of created the place in my head where I tried to line my [[heart]] with gold where [[the Father]] could live, so he would have a bucket to go to that would be there. And what happened was then it became a [[symbol]] where different [[images]] and [[messages]] were coming to me about gold because I had done that and this sense of it, the sense of the lost [[childhood]]. Today I was just [[crying]] my eyes out in my [[quiet time]] because I was [[thinking]] of the gold on [[the planet]] and the [[treasure]]. People hoard the treasure and the treasure of your lives, the things that are meaningful. I felt really sad because of all the things I had lost, and the meaningful things I had lost - [[friends]] and [[relationships]] and things - but it was like my [[Thought Adjuster]] said, "It's okay because I have all your gold." It was just really incredible the way the [[imagery]] kept [[reflecting]] up. It really helps to create and imagery. It's almost a [[language]] that can [[reflect]] back on itself through time, right?

Delores: I liked what you said about creating a [[space]] because just this week from [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Nine Deep Space Nine], when Quark was trying to bribe Odo, and he said "Wouldn't you like to" - he melts into a bucket at night - "sleep in a solid gold bucket?" And he thought about it. And I thought about gold and I looked at this wedding ring and it has a special [[light]] to it. You know, real [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold gold] is something really special, and I sort of created the place in my head where I tried to line my [[heart]] with gold where [[the Father]] could live, so he would have a bucket to go to that would be there. And what happened was then it became a [[symbol]] where different [[images]] and [[messages]] were coming to me about gold because I had done that and this sense of it, the sense of the lost [[childhood]]. Today I was just [[crying]] my eyes out in my [[quiet time]] because I was [[thinking]] of the gold on [[the planet]] and the [[treasure]]. People hoard the treasure and the treasure of your lives, the things that are meaningful. I felt really sad because of all the things I had lost, and the meaningful things I had lost - [[friends]] and [[relationships]] and things - but it was like my [[Thought Adjuster]] said, "It's okay because I have all your gold." It was just really incredible the way the [[imagery]] kept [[reflecting]] up. It really helps to create and imagery. It's almost a [[language]] that can [[reflect]] back on itself through time, right?

LinEL: Yes. You will find that these [[images]] that you create for yourselves, these images that are important to you, that hold special [[meaning]], can be used by your inner [[Father fragment]] to [[communicate]] with you easier, more readily, through using images you create. It is a way for you to create a common [[language]] that you can both [[communicate]] in. I would add that when I [[fused]] with my [[Thought Adjuster]], I reclaimed much of that lost [[treasure]] myself, and [[believe]] me, Delores, I [[assure]] you that none of it is lost! There was more there than I ever [[expected]]. You are all truly [[wealthy]].

LinEL: Yes. You will find that these [[images]] that you create for yourselves, these images that are important to you, that hold special [[meaning]], can be used by your inner [[Father fragment]] to [[communicate]] with you easier, more readily, through using images you create. It is a way for you to create a common [[language]] that you can both [[communicate]] in. I would add that when I [[fused]] with my [[Thought Adjuster]], I reclaimed much of that lost [[treasure]] myself, and [[believe]] me, Delores, I [[assure]] you that none of it is lost! There was more there than I ever [[expected]]. You are all truly [[wealthy]].

===='''''[[Asceticism]]'''''====

===='''''[[Asceticism]]'''''====

LinEL: Part of the reason that you turn away from this [[space]] with [[the Father]] is that something you have an [[association]] with in this [[time]] that is unpleasant, that you have [[difficulty]] with. Try to think what this [[association]] is and [[examine]] it. Perhaps change your [[frame of mind]], change your

LinEL: Part of the reason that you turn away from this [[space]] with [[the Father]] is that something you have an [[association]] with in this [[time]] that is unpleasant, that you have [[difficulty]] with. Try to think what this [[association]] is and [[examine]] it. Perhaps change your [[frame of mind]], change your

setting. Create a neutral [[space]] so that you do not [[feel]] that you are walking to him. Try to meet [[the Father]] halfway if you need to. I can tell you he will walk all the way to you if [[necessary]]. You need only be open. Part of this [[resistance]] that you feel is a [[fear]] of receiving the [[rewards]] of accepting the [[good]] things of this [[relationship]]. I find it interesting that in your [[culture]] the highest form of [[spiritual]] [[attainment]] is to go into a cold, uncomfortable place and punish yourself to [[attain]] this height of [[Spirituality|spiritualness]]. You each carry this in your [[minds]]. It is a holdover from early [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan puritanical]] days - that spiritual matters contain no [[joy]]. "If you are receiving [[rewards]], you are being [[lazy]], that you do not deserve them. How can you hold this [[relationship]] with [[the Father]] in the same light as reward for yourself; you must approach him selflessly. " All of these teachings are [[extremely]] destructive to this [[time]] that you try to forge with him - this true time, this true [[relationship]]. This is a [[struggle]] for all of you. This is a struggle for your world. You have not been taught that [[the Father]] is [[accepting]] and loving. Instead you have been taught that you must [[earn]] his [[love]], that you must [[suffer]] for his love. You were all taught that [[Jesus]] died for you, he [[suffered]] for you. Even though you [[intellectually]] understand this to not be true, it still sets in your [[minds]], it still is an overriding part of your [[culture]]. You do not have to [[suffer]] for [[the Father]]'s love, but you need to come to an [[understanding]] of this, an understanding that you can [[accept]] all the good things that [[the Father]] has in store for you. This is [[difficult]]. This is not something that you will [[achieve]] an understanding of overnight. Part of the [[problem]] is that you do not know where you are going. You do not know what it [[feels]] like to be on the other side of this problem, so you must [[trust]], be led [[blindly]] to your [[destination]]. You must trust [[the Father]] to lead you to this place, this place of [[joy]] and [[happiness]]. Thea: Thank you.

setting. Create a neutral [[space]] so that you do not [[feel]] that you are walking to him. Try to meet [[the Father]] halfway if you need to. I can tell you he will walk all the way to you if [[necessary]]. You need only be open. Part of this [[resistance]] that you feel is a [[fear]] of receiving the [[rewards]] of accepting the [[good]] things of this [[relationship]]. I find it interesting that in your [[culture]] the highest form of [[spiritual]] [[attainment]] is to go into a cold, uncomfortable place and punish yourself to [[attain]] this height of [[Spirituality|spiritualness]]. You each carry this in your [[minds]]. It is a holdover from early [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan puritanical]] days - that spiritual matters contain no [[joy]]. "If you are receiving [[rewards]], you are being [[lazy]], that you do not deserve them. How can you hold this [[relationship]] with [[the Father]] in the same light as reward for yourself; you must approach him selflessly. " All of these teachings are [[extremely]] destructive to this [[time]] that you try to forge with him - this true time, this true [[relationship]]. This is a [[struggle]] for all of you. This is a struggle for your world. You have not been taught that [[the Father]] is [[accepting]] and loving. Instead you have been taught that you must [[earn]] his [[love]], that you must [[suffer]] for his love. You were all taught that [[Jesus]] died for you, he [[suffered]] for you. Even though you [[intellectually]] understand this to not be true, it still sets in your [[minds]], it still is an overriding part of your [[culture]]. You do not have to [[suffer]] for [[the Father]]'s love, but you need to come to an [[understanding]] of this, an understanding that you can [[accept]] all the good things that [[the Father]] has in store for you. This is [[difficult]]. This is not something that you will [[achieve]] an understanding of overnight. Part of the [[problem]] is that you do not know where you are going. You do not know what it [[feels]] like to be on the other side of this problem, so you must [[trust]], be led [[blindly]] to your [[destination]]. You must trust [[the Father]] to lead you to this place, this place of [[joy]] and [[happiness]]. Thea: Thank you.

LinEL: Thank you for your question. Is there anything I can say to further [[clarify]] this [[point]]?

LinEL: Thank you for your question. Is there anything I can say to further [[clarify]] this [[point]]?

LinEL: Greetings. I have again returned. I would like to open this [[discussion]] for questions of any sort from anyone. I would [[enjoy]] attempting to answer.

LinEL: Greetings. I have again returned. I would like to open this [[discussion]] for questions of any sort from anyone. I would [[enjoy]] attempting to answer.

===='''''[[Vision]]'''''====

===='''''[[Vision]]'''''====

Julie: When we moved to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvallis,_Oregon Corvallis] from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant's_Pass,_Oregon Grants Pass], I was given an image through my [[quiet time]]. It was a person, standing still in [[darkness]]. There was a bright beam of [[light]] coming down through her head. I [[assume]] it's a woman. And out of her in several different [[directions]] were different shades of beams of light coming out of her. And I felt like a great [[abundance]] of [[love]] through this, so I had felt it was different [[types]] of love. But now I [[understand]] that it was different types of [[energy]] out towards the people [[surrounding]], so I want to thank you for further [[explaining]] what those beams were because they were different shades of [[color]].

Julie: When we moved to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvallis,_Oregon Corvallis] from [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant's_Pass,_Oregon Grants Pass], I was given an image through my [[quiet time]]. It was a person, standing still in [[darkness]]. There was a bright beam of [[light]] coming down through her head. I [[assume]] it's a woman. And out of her in several different [[directions]] were different shades of beams of light coming out of her. And I felt like a great [[abundance]] of [[love]] through this, so I had felt it was different [[types]] of love. But now I [[understand]] that it was different types of [[energy]] out towards the people [[surrounding]], so I want to thank you for further [[explaining]] what those beams were because they were different shades of [[color]].

LinEL: Julie, you have given an example of what this [[personal]] [[imagery]] means. It is important for all of you to find these ways to [[experience]] these images in your [[minds]] as a part of your personal [[expression]] and [[understanding]]. We are each [[unique]] and individual parts of [[the Supreme]]. And when all of our [[images]], one eon, come [[together]], we are able thus to [[actualize]]. This is a pursuit of your own personal contribution in [[eternity]]. I [[encourage]] all of you to use these positive [[images]] which bring you closer to [[the Father]] and closer to your [[brothers and sisters]] in any way that seems appropriate. Do not [[hesitate]] to [[experiment]] and find what feels good. Remember the [[Spirit of Truth]] will always tell you if you [[listen]] in your [[heart]], whether this path is indeed true. I appreciate your [[sharing]] with us.

LinEL: Julie, you have given an example of what this [[personal]] [[imagery]] means. It is important for all of you to find these ways to [[experience]] these images in your [[minds]] as a part of your personal [[expression]] and [[understanding]]. We are each [[unique]] and individual parts of [[the Supreme]]. And when all of our [[images]], one eon, come [[together]], we are able thus to [[actualize]]. This is a pursuit of your own personal contribution in [[eternity]]. I [[encourage]] all of you to use these positive [[images]] which bring you closer to [[the Father]] and closer to your [[brothers and sisters]] in any way that seems appropriate. Do not [[hesitate]] to [[experiment]] and find what feels good. Remember the [[Spirit of Truth]] will always tell you if you [[listen]] in your [[heart]], whether this path is indeed true. I appreciate your [[sharing]] with us.

you raised on a world not torn by [[rebellion]]. You are [[progressing]], all of you, and although it may sometimes be [[painful]], I [[promise]] you there will be tremendous [[joy]]. I am proud of all of you for your [[struggles]].

you raised on a world not torn by [[rebellion]]. You are [[progressing]], all of you, and although it may sometimes be [[painful]], I [[promise]] you there will be tremendous [[joy]]. I am proud of all of you for your [[struggles]].

===='''''[[Violence]]'''''====

===='''''[[Violence]]'''''====

Janet: I have a question about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War Bosnia] and all the mess that's going on over there, and it's kind of occurred to me so much of the trouble started around there that it may be appropriate that if there's a trouble spot on the world, this would be it. In the [[resolution]] of the [[conflicts]] there, I'm sure it will help the world, but to me, there is more of a [[connection]] to [[the rebellion]] and what is happening there. A cohesive [[question]]?

Janet: I have a question about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War Bosnia] and all the mess that's going on over there, and it's kind of occurred to me so much of the trouble started around there that it may be appropriate that if there's a trouble spot on the world, this would be it. In the [[resolution]] of the [[conflicts]] there, I'm sure it will help the world, but to me, there is more of a [[connection]] to [[the rebellion]] and what is happening there. A cohesive [[question]]?

LinEL: I [[understand]] what you are saying. I understand your [[perception]] of this in your [[heart]]. Truly, everywhere on [[this planet]] where there is longtime [[brother]] against brother, where there is this kind of [[conflict]], where people are living in [[hatred]] and attempting destruction, all of this is truly partly fueled by the aftermath of [[the rebellion]]. It is simply that there are certain spots on [[this planet]] which you hold in your [[heart]] which become more strongly a [[symbol]]. There is nothing wrong with [[perceiving]] in this [[manner]]. But it is true that everywhere in the world where there is fighting, and there are many other places, right at this time, where this goes on, all of this is in much part an aftermath of [[the rebellion]]. These are things which we [[hope]] you will see undergo [[profound]] changes in your lifetime. If you have more specifics, please ask.  

LinEL: I [[understand]] what you are saying. I understand your [[perception]] of this in your [[heart]]. Truly, everywhere on [[this planet]] where there is longtime [[brother]] against brother, where there is this kind of [[conflict]], where people are living in [[hatred]] and attempting destruction, all of this is truly partly fueled by the aftermath of [[the rebellion]]. It is simply that there are certain spots on [[this planet]] which you hold in your [[heart]] which become more strongly a [[symbol]]. There is nothing wrong with [[perceiving]] in this [[manner]]. But it is true that everywhere in the world where there is fighting, and there are many other places, right at this time, where this goes on, all of this is in much part an aftermath of [[the rebellion]]. These are things which we [[hope]] you will see undergo [[profound]] changes in your lifetime. If you have more specifics, please ask.  

===='''''[[Circuits]]''''', '''''[[Communication]]'''''====

===='''''[[Circuits]]''''', '''''[[Communication]]'''''====

Delores: In our lifetime is [[good]]! We like that. We can look forward to things like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall the wall] falling down, and [[peace]]-making, global [[thinking]].

Delores: In our lifetime is [[good]]! We like that. We can look forward to things like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall the wall] falling down, and [[peace]]-making, global [[thinking]].

LinEL: I think truly, Delores, you will be astonished over the next few years. Even now, if you look, you will see in many places, major [[changes]] in [[attitudes]] happening. The opening of the [[circuits]] allows every [[human being]] on [[your planet]] to receive more benefit, and this is truly beginning to [[transform]] [[mankind]]. You will begin to see more and more. We are ourselves excited, watching the [[unfoldment]] [[process]].

LinEL: I think truly, Delores, you will be astonished over the next few years. Even now, if you look, you will see in many places, major [[changes]] in [[attitudes]] happening. The opening of the [[circuits]] allows every [[human being]] on [[your planet]] to receive more benefit, and this is truly beginning to [[transform]] [[mankind]]. You will begin to see more and more. We are ourselves excited, watching the [[unfoldment]] [[process]].

Dan#2: Do [[the teachers]] ever gather to [[compare]] [[notes]], to kind of [[judge]] how best to proceed, or just to gather to talk with each other about things that are going on?

Dan#2: Do [[the teachers]] ever gather to [[compare]] [[notes]], to kind of [[judge]] how best to proceed, or just to gather to talk with each other about things that are going on?

LinEL: To be quite [[honest]], most of the time, we are gathered. We do indeed do this. We do this both as a larger [[group]], but almost continually in your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willamette_valley WIllamette Valley] area we are actually [[sharing]] the same - what you would call - [[headquarters]]. And we do continually do this, yes. We are in this respect teaching each other as we learn. And it is extremely [[rewarding]]. However, [[understand]], when we [[discuss]] you, we do not do this in the form of [[gossip]] as you understand it. We do this to understand you, to [[love]] you better, to serve you better, to help you better. And we do not [[judge]] you. This is for [[the Father]]. Besides, we are also [[ascending mortals]], except for some of our superiors, and we [[understand]], even if we have not lived on a [[planet such as yours]], what it is like to come up through the ranks. We enjoy this [[contact]]. In [[fact]], it would be truly impossible for us to do our job, were it not for this contact. Do you have any more specifics about that that you would care to ask?

LinEL: To be quite [[honest]], most of the time, we are gathered. We do indeed do this. We do this both as a larger [[group]], but almost continually in your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willamette_valley WIllamette Valley] area we are actually [[sharing]] the same - what you would call - [[headquarters]]. And we do continually do this, yes. We are in this respect teaching each other as we learn. And it is extremely [[rewarding]]. However, [[understand]], when we [[discuss]] you, we do not do this in the form of [[gossip]] as you understand it. We do this to understand you, to [[love]] you better, to serve you better, to help you better. And we do not [[judge]] you. This is for [[the Father]]. Besides, we are also [[ascending mortals]], except for some of our superiors, and we [[understand]], even if we have not lived on a [[planet such as yours]], what it is like to come up through the ranks. We enjoy this [[contact]]. In [[fact]], it would be truly impossible for us to do our job, were it not for this contact. Do you have any more specifics about that that you would care to ask?

===='''''[[Sharing]]'''''====

===='''''[[Sharing]]'''''====

Dan#2: What can we do that would teach you more of what you'd like to know?

Dan#2: What can we do that would teach you more of what you'd like to know?