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Iruka: I am referring to many things, and it will apply [[differently]] in each of your lives. This is not a very easy [[assignment]] because you must ask yourself where you are not being [[honest]] with yourself. And it will be drug [[abuse]] in one person's life and something else in another person's life and I don't mean in this [[immediate]] [[group]]. But that is a [[problem]] in the general world, yes, and what you might find in your life would be different than someone sitting next to you would find in their [[life]]. So this has to be applied to the [[individual]].

Iruka: I am referring to many things, and it will apply [[differently]] in each of your lives. This is not a very easy [[assignment]] because you must ask yourself where you are not being [[honest]] with yourself. And it will be drug [[abuse]] in one person's life and something else in another person's life and I don't mean in this [[immediate]] [[group]]. But that is a [[problem]] in the general world, yes, and what you might find in your life would be different than someone sitting next to you would find in their [[life]]. So this has to be applied to the [[individual]].

===='''''[[Attention]]'''''====

===='''''[[Confidence]]''''', '''''[[Attention]]'''''====

S2: I have been reading the [[Category: Patije|Patije transcripts]] and it seems that a lot of the [[chaos]] there is [[associated]] with this whole [[concept]] that I am trying to verbalize as being special. Seems like the [[disciples]] of [[Jesus]] wanted to sit at His right hand and were always fighting over...or fighting this urge among themselves to be His [[Chosen People|special chosen disciple]] or where each of us is [[dreaming]] of being a [[famous]] person. And this group that [[Patije]] is in is interested in becoming a teaching [[center]] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedona,_Arizona Sedona group]..and I am just [[wondering]] how, what [[motivates]] this, is this the [[Thought Adjuster]] in us [[inspiring]] us to great things. Is this how we were raised to be, to be visible, is this the..how do you deal with that in a [[group]], how do you [[understand]] it. I am just trying to grapple with it. I mean I find it inside myself too, this whole [[desire]] to be great, this desire to [[succeed]], desire to be different, the desire to be on the right hand side of [[Jesus]].

S2: I have been reading the [[Patije|transcripts]] and it seems that a lot of the [[chaos]] there is [[associated]] with this whole [[concept]] that I am trying to verbalize as being special. Seems like the [[disciples]] of [[Jesus]] wanted to sit at His right hand and were always fighting over...or fighting this urge among themselves to be His [[Chosen People|special chosen disciple]] or where each of us is [[dreaming]] of being a [[famous]] person. And this group that [[Patije]] is in is interested in becoming a teaching [[center]] and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedona,_Arizona Sedona group]..and I am just [[wondering]] how, what [[motivates]] this, is this the [[Thought Adjuster]] in us [[inspiring]] us to great things. Is this how we were raised to be, to be visible, is this the..how do you deal with that in a [[group]], how do you [[understand]] it. I am just trying to grapple with it. I mean I find it inside myself too, this whole [[desire]] to be great, this desire to [[succeed]], desire to be different, the desire to be on the right hand side of [[Jesus]].

Iruka: Very thoughtful question and I will try my best to answer it. Everyone has...starts out with insecurities and the need for [[attention]]. So you feel you must be something special to [[deserve]] this attention, and so people go to great lengths to show they are [[good]] at this or that or different or special. It is meeting a need, but like many things, it doesn't meet the need in a [[healthy]] way. The first several months I taught and tried to get you to [[understand]] and feel how much [[the Father]] loves you, and to become whole. If you feel totally loved and [[balanced]] and in [[tune]] and in alignment with your [[Thought Adjuster]], you know who you are and you know your job. So you approach your job with the [[eagerness]] and the [[excitement]] and with great [[energy]], and it gives you the [[satisfaction]] of knowing you are right where [[the Father]] wants you. Now if you don't have this [[confidence]] of the Father's [[love]] and doing what you are [[supposed]] to be doing, you are still [[seeking]] in other ways to be special. So are you beginning to see how if you don't [[feel]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] you search for a way to become [[famous]], to get [[feedback]] from others saying you are [[wonderful]]. But if you got it from [[the Father]], then you are free to be who you are, you are free to pursue the [[talents]] that you have. Whether you become world [[famous]] or whether you would live [[quietly]] in your own [[home]] and in your job doesn't mean that you are not fulfilled through [[the Father]]. Does this [[explain]] some of this better?

Iruka: Very thoughtful question and I will try my best to answer it. Everyone has...starts out with insecurities and the need for [[attention]]. So you feel you must be something special to [[deserve]] this attention, and so people go to great lengths to show they are [[good]] at this or that or different or special. It is meeting a need, but like many things, it doesn't meet the need in a [[healthy]] way. The first several months I taught and tried to get you to [[understand]] and feel how much [[the Father]] loves you, and to become whole. If you feel totally loved and [[balanced]] and in [[tune]] and in alignment with your [[Thought Adjuster]], you know who you are and you know your job. So you approach your job with the [[eagerness]] and the [[excitement]] and with great [[energy]], and it gives you the [[satisfaction]] of knowing you are right where [[the Father]] wants you. Now if you don't have this [[confidence]] of the Father's [[love]] and doing what you are [[supposed]] to be doing, you are still [[seeking]] in other ways to be special. So are you beginning to see how if you don't [[feel]] [[the Father]]'s [[love]] you search for a way to become [[famous]], to get [[feedback]] from others saying you are [[wonderful]]. But if you got it from [[the Father]], then you are free to be who you are, you are free to pursue the [[talents]] that you have. Whether you become world [[famous]] or whether you would live [[quietly]] in your own [[home]] and in your job doesn't mean that you are not fulfilled through [[the Father]]. Does this [[explain]] some of this better?

S2: Yes, much better thanks. I wanted to say that I tried this [[morning]] in the fourth grade [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school sunday school] class that I teach to see if they had this burning [[desire]] to be special so I asked them to [[imagine]] if [[Jesus]] walked through the door what would He ask them to do, what would they [[hope]] He would ask them to do. They had none of this, [[collectively]] as a group, they had none of this 'I need to be special' and I'm [[wondering]] if this insecurity is something that happens to us, these needs happen to us later in life or are they part of that first five years of the molding that goes on when you are [[born]].

S2: Yes, much better thanks. I wanted to say that I tried this [[morning]] in the fourth grade [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school sunday school] class that I teach to see if they had this burning [[desire]] to be special so I asked them to [[imagine]] if [[Jesus]] walked through the door what would He ask them to do, what would they [[hope]] He would ask them to do. They had none of this, [[collectively]] as a group, they had none of this 'I need to be special' and I'm [[wondering]] if this insecurity is something that happens to us, these needs happen to us later in life or are they part of that first five years of the molding that goes on when you are [[born]].

Iruka: It can happen at any time. It depends on first of all the [[family]] of course, and how...if they are [[meeting]] the needs of unconditional [[love]] and showing that love. Then through [[school]] and then through [[life]], life has a way of destroying your [[confidence]] and making you [[feel]] bad about yourself. So if these [[students]], if these children, feel [[God]]'s love they are going to feel OK and [[confident]] and not need special [[attention]]. So it depends on many things but as you look out and see the world you see more hurtful people and needy people than you do whole and confident people. This sounds like a truly [[unique]] group that you have.

Iruka: It can happen at any time. It depends on first of all the [[family]] of course, and how...if they are [[meeting]] the needs of unconditional [[love]] and showing that love. Then through [[school]] and then through [[life]], life has a way of destroying your [[confidence]] and making you [[feel]] bad about yourself. So if these [[students]], if these children, feel [[God]]'s love they are going to feel OK and [[confident]] and not need special [[attention]]. So it depends on many things but as you look out and see the world you see more hurtful people and needy people than you do whole and confident people. This sounds like a truly [[unique]] group that you have.

S2: I feel so, the last group of fourth graders I didn't have..they would stand on chairs and demand to be [[moderator]] or [[narrator]] of a section of a [[play]], and pound on their chests and demand all sorts of [[attention]]. There is no child in this [[group]] that really demands that. So maybe it is just a special group. Thanks.

S2: I feel so, the last group of fourth graders I didn't have..they would stand on chairs and demand to be [[moderator]] or [[narrator]] of a section of a [[play]], and pound on their chests and demand all sorts of [[attention]]. There is no child in this [[group]] that really demands that. So maybe it is just a special group. Thanks.

===='''''[[Revelation]]'''''====

===='''''[[Revelation]]'''''====

E1: Hi Iruka, I'd like to ask about [[Book of Revelation|Revelation]]. It came across my [[mind]] the other day about..something about 'a thousand days and then we will be released' [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_revelation#Chapter_11] can you [[explain]] that?

E1: Hi Iruka, I'd like to ask about [[Book of Revelation|Revelation]]. It came across my [[mind]] the other day about..something about 'a thousand days and then we will be released' [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_revelation#Chapter_11] can you [[explain]] that?

Iruka: [[Book of Revelation|Revelation]] has been greatly muddled and distorted. You know that things happen not in [[accordance]] with days or years or an [[artificial]] [[time]] limit. They happen when things are ready, when certain other [[events]] have happened that [[prepare]] the way. A thousand is a nice round number that is easily understood and it is used much. I see no significance of this.

Iruka: [[Book of Revelation|Revelation]] has been greatly muddled and distorted. You know that things happen not in [[accordance]] with days or years or an [[artificial]] [[time]] limit. They happen when things are ready, when certain other [[events]] have happened that [[prepare]] the way. A thousand is a nice round number that is easily understood and it is used much. I see no significance of this.

Iruka: Repeat the whole question again please. I focused on the time frame.

Iruka: Repeat the whole question again please. I focused on the time frame.

E1: OK I am not exactly sure of the [[quote]] but it just indicates that in a [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_revelation#Chapter_20 1000 years] he shall be released, referring to I think it is [[Satan]], or one of the three. But regardless of the time frame is there some being that will be released again.

E1: OK I am not exactly sure of the [[quote]] but it just indicates that in a [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_revelation#Chapter_20 1000 years] he shall be released, referring to I think it is [[Satan]], or one of the three. But regardless of the time frame is there some being that will be released again.

Iruka: No. [[Satan]] and [[Lucifer]] as you know do not exist anymore so this does not apply.

Iruka: No. [[Satan]] and [[Lucifer]] as you know do not exist anymore so this does not apply.

Iruka: No.

Iruka: No.

E1: Is there any [[metaphysical]] [[meaning]] behind the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_revelation#Chapter_1 seven churches].

E1: Is there any [[metaphysical]] [[meaning]] behind the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_revelation#Chapter_1 seven churches].

Iruka: When this was [[written]] it was [[symbolic]], however, there is no correlation or [[parallel]] that I could draw on any longer.

Iruka: When this was [[written]] it was [[symbolic]], however, there is no correlation or [[parallel]] that I could draw on any longer.

Iruka: It was very shortly after that, yes.

Iruka: It was very shortly after that, yes.

===='''''[[Thought Adjusters]]'''''====

===='''''[[Thought Adjusters]]'''''====

S2: Iruka, I spent an hour with a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs_of_New_York_City New York cab driver] friday night and got him to tell me his entire [[life]] [[story]]. He drives a cab at night, watches [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_opera soap operas] during the day and does not [[interact]] with anybody else except for the people in his cab. He does not go to [[church]], but he hears the Lord speaking in his [[mind]] and the Lord has told him to behave this way, to [[protect]] himself so he doesn't get in fights. And I just sat and [[listened]] to him and I'm totally [[amazed]], he doesn't go to church because the Lord told him not to go to church and it sounds to me like he is talking to his [[Thought Adjuster]]. Then last night the head pastor of my former church told me about a [[revelation]] he had, now the [[mechanics]] of how this was revealed to him I don't know.

S2: Iruka, I spent an hour with a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs_of_New_York_City New York cab driver] friday night and got him to tell me his entire [[life]] [[story]]. He drives a cab at night, watches [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_opera soap operas] during the day and does not [[interact]] with anybody else except for the people in his cab. He does not go to [[church]], but he hears the Lord speaking in his [[mind]] and the Lord has told him to behave this way, to [[protect]] himself so he doesn't get in fights. And I just sat and [[listened]] to him and I'm totally [[amazed]], he doesn't go to church because the Lord told him not to go to church and it sounds to me like he is talking to his [[Thought Adjuster]]. Then last night the head pastor of my former church told me about a [[revelation]] he had, now the [[mechanics]] of how this was revealed to him I don't know.

Basically it was during the [[dedication]] of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_memorial Holocaust memorial] and the [[revelation]] came to him that after we die we go through this [[process]] of [[forgiving]] our [[parents]] and meeting our parents and our parents seek us out and we learn to be whole people. So that the [[atrocities]] that occurred during [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust the Holocaust] don't [[injure]] [[personalities]] the rest of their [[existence]]. And this sounds exactly like what you have been teaching us and the [[Urantia Book]] says. And I have...I did not mention the Urantia Book or this [[TeaM|teaching group]] in either of those [[conversations]]. And I am wondering should I be just [[listening]] to these and offering [[encouragement]] and [[enthusiasm]], which is what I am doing, or should I be actually trying to wear the [[Urantia Book]] on my sleeve a little bit more and draw them into this [[group]], or a group.

Basically it was during the [[dedication]] of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_memorial Holocaust memorial] and the [[revelation]] came to him that after we die we go through this [[process]] of [[forgiving]] our [[parents]] and meeting our parents and our parents seek us out and we learn to be whole people. So that the [[atrocities]] that occurred during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust the Holocaust] don't [[injure]] [[personalities]] the rest of their [[existence]]. And this sounds exactly like what you have been teaching us and the [[Urantia Book]] says. And I have...I did not mention the Urantia Book or this [[TeaM|teaching group]] in either of those [[conversations]]. And I am wondering should I be just [[listening]] to these and offering [[encouragement]] and [[enthusiasm]], which is what I am doing, or should I be actually trying to wear the [[Urantia Book]] on my sleeve a little bit more and draw them into this [[group]], or a group.

Iruka: You will have to [[listen]] to your [[Thought Adjuster]] during those particular times, whether or not to [[share]] the [[Urantia Book]] with them. As you know there is more [[spiritual]] [[power]] throughout the world, this is one thing that did happen in [[Naperville]]. Difficult to [[explain]], but you have seen a result, that people are seeing and hearing the [[truth]] through their own [[minds]] and their own [[revelations]] to themselves. That the [[Urantia Book]] is not the only way. If this [[person]] is [[happy]] where he is, or any person you are talking to, if they are in a [[church]] where they are [[happy]], where they are [[growing]] and where they are being fed, then leave them there. Only when there is an [[expressed]] [[frustration]] or unhappiness or a lack of their needs being met, then talk about the [[Urantia Book]]. This is going to happen more and more and more and throughout all of the [[churches]], throughout the whole world. Don't be [[surprised]], be [[joyful]] about this, this is going to be [[wonderful]]. But you will have to make a [[judgement]] with each person you meet on whether to introduce the [[Urantia Book]] or not, so I cannot give you a definite yes or a definite no. This would be a [[judgement]] call. Does this help?

Iruka: You will have to [[listen]] to your [[Thought Adjuster]] during those particular times, whether or not to [[share]] the [[Urantia Book]] with them. As you know there is more [[spiritual]] [[power]] throughout the world, this is one thing that did happen in [[Naperville]]. Difficult to [[explain]], but you have seen a result, that people are seeing and hearing the [[truth]] through their own [[minds]] and their own [[revelations]] to themselves. That the [[Urantia Book]] is not the only way. If this [[person]] is [[happy]] where he is, or any person you are talking to, if they are in a [[church]] where they are [[happy]], where they are [[growing]] and where they are being fed, then leave them there. Only when there is an [[expressed]] [[frustration]] or unhappiness or a lack of their needs being met, then talk about the [[Urantia Book]]. This is going to happen more and more and more and throughout all of the [[churches]], throughout the whole world. Don't be [[surprised]], be [[joyful]] about this, this is going to be [[wonderful]]. But you will have to make a [[judgement]] with each person you meet on whether to introduce the [[Urantia Book]] or not, so I cannot give you a definite yes or a definite no. This would be a [[judgement]] call. Does this help?

Iruka: You are absolutely right about that. It is not good to be [[isolated]], to be [[alone]]. But in the case of the taxi driver he does see people and he spent an hour talking. So he is getting some needs met and Father will see to it that the right people will talk to him and will [[listen]] to him.

Iruka: You are absolutely right about that. It is not good to be [[isolated]], to be [[alone]]. But in the case of the taxi driver he does see people and he spent an hour talking. So he is getting some needs met and Father will see to it that the right people will talk to him and will [[listen]] to him.

S2: Iruka, the cab driver wasn't [[married]], but he had four children by a previous [[wife]] and he had nine [[brothers and sisters]] in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City New York] area and he felt driving that cab was his [[mission]] in life. And I have often felt that to, I've in fact [[expressed]] this to my [[wife]] before we were [[married]]. And the ability to have people captured in a car and to try to carry on a [[conversation]]...he was a neat guy. I felt very comfortable..

S2: Iruka, the cab driver wasn't [[married]], but he had four children by a previous [[wife]] and he had nine [[brothers and sisters]] in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City New York] area and he felt driving that cab was his [[mission]] in life. And I have often felt that to, I've in fact [[expressed]] this to my [[wife]] before we were [[married]]. And the ability to have people captured in a car and to try to carry on a [[conversation]]...he was a neat guy. I felt very comfortable..

Iruka: So his needs were being met and the first few remarks about [[isolation]] were not the whole [[picture]]. [no] Absolutely this could be exactly what his [[Thought Adjuster]] was guiding him for his situation in his life at this period of [[time]], and in the next few months things might totally [[change]]. So remember that [[the Father]] will guide you to do what is best for you, but that can [[change]] over time.

Iruka: So his needs were being met and the first few remarks about [[isolation]] were not the whole [[picture]]. [no] Absolutely this could be exactly what his [[Thought Adjuster]] was guiding him for his situation in his life at this period of [[time]], and in the next few months things might totally [[change]]. So remember that [[the Father]] will guide you to do what is best for you, but that can [[change]] over time.

===='''''[[Teaching Mission]]'''''====

===='''''[[Teaching Mission]]'''''====

S2: Iruka, this question might not have any bearing but is there anything you can tell us about the [[Teaching Mission]], and what is happening in [[Category: TeaM|other groups]].

S2: Iruka, this question might not have any bearing but is there anything you can tell us about the [[Teaching Mission]], and what is happening in [[TeaM|other groups]].

Iruka: It is [[growing]] and expanding. New people are coming into [[groups]] all the time. Some are [[rejecting]] the teaching and walking away, but most of them are quite [[excited]] and are [[listening]] and are [[learning]] and [[growing]]. It is like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_strawberry strawberry plants], that sends a runner out, finds a base, and grows another strawberry plant. Does this answer your [[question]]?

Iruka: It is [[growing]] and expanding. New people are coming into [[groups]] all the time. Some are [[rejecting]] the teaching and walking away, but most of them are quite [[excited]] and are [[listening]] and are [[learning]] and [[growing]]. It is like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_strawberry strawberry plants], that sends a runner out, finds a base, and grows another strawberry plant. Does this answer your [[question]]?

S2: No, but I didn't think you would. [Did I [[understand]] the question right?] The question was more [[practical]] stuff like the Riverside group splintering and going off in pairs, you know stuff like that. I don't know what is going on...it is sort of hard. It seems the [[Category: Patije|Patije transcripts]] they are more [[focused]] on almost a [[competition]] among the groups, than inwardly [[focusing]] on their own selves or outwardly focusing on their [[relationships]] in life.

S2: No, but I didn't think you would. [Did I [[understand]] the question right?] The question was more [[practical]] stuff like the Riverside group splintering and going off in pairs, you know stuff like that. I don't know what is going on...it is sort of hard. It seems the [[Patije|transcripts]] they are more [[focused]] on almost a [[competition]] among the groups, than inwardly [[focusing]] on their own selves or outwardly focusing on their [[relationships]] in life.

Iruka: We as [[the Teachers|teachers]] are assigned to [[groups]] and we get to know the groups and the [[personalities]] and the needs. And of course we as teachers have our own personalities, our own needs and our own [[growth]] [[opportunities]] for growth and needs for growth. So you have various personalities of teachers dealing with various [[personalities]] within a [[group]] and indeed the whole group has its own personality, and the lessons are geared to the [[individuals]] in each group, so they will be [[different]]. They will have their own [[strengths]] and their own [[weaknesses]] and indeed this group [[personality]] wise, and need wise is very different from say this group. You cannot [[compare]] them, they are like...it is like comparing two [[children]]. You cannot compare your children, they are different with different [[attitudes]] and needs. So you notice there are many differences and that is true and it seems [[strange]] and different to you because you are in this group, and this group is more suited to your [[personality]], but that group is meeting their needs and that teacher is attempting to teach and have her [[students]] grow where they need their growth. Do you [[recognize]] this?

Iruka: We as [[the Teachers|teachers]] are assigned to [[groups]] and we get to know the groups and the [[personalities]] and the needs. And of course we as teachers have our own personalities, our own needs and our own [[growth]] [[opportunities]] for growth and needs for growth. So you have various personalities of teachers dealing with various [[personalities]] within a [[group]] and indeed the whole group has its own personality, and the lessons are geared to the [[individuals]] in each group, so they will be [[different]]. They will have their own [[strengths]] and their own [[weaknesses]] and indeed this group [[personality]] wise, and need wise is very different from say this group. You cannot [[compare]] them, they are like...it is like comparing two [[children]]. You cannot compare your children, they are different with different [[attitudes]] and needs. So you notice there are many differences and that is true and it seems [[strange]] and different to you because you are in this group, and this group is more suited to your [[personality]], but that group is meeting their needs and that teacher is attempting to teach and have her [[students]] grow where they need their growth. Do you [[recognize]] this?

J1: Hello again. You mentioned the [[dispensation]] a little bit ago. Do you...are the [[Sleeping survivors|sleepers]] or certain groups of sleepers [[awakened]] during these [[dispensations]]. Do you clear the decks or do you select certain groups of them, or do you [[wake]] any of them up during these dispensations.

J1: Hello again. You mentioned the [[dispensation]] a little bit ago. Do you...are the [[Sleeping survivors|sleepers]] or certain groups of sleepers [[awakened]] during these [[dispensations]]. Do you clear the decks or do you select certain groups of them, or do you [[wake]] any of them up during these dispensations.

Iruka: Usually every [[individual]] is [[awakened]] at these times. It was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984 1984] when this happened and all of the [[sleeping survivors]] were awakened and sent to one of the [[Morontia worlds]] where they are living and [[growing]] and learning. Does this answer your [[question]]? All are awakened.

Iruka: Usually every [[individual]] is [[awakened]] at these times. It was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984 1984] when this happened and all of the [[sleeping survivors]] were awakened and sent to one of the [[Morontia worlds]] where they are living and [[growing]] and learning. Does this answer your [[question]]? All are awakened.

J1: All are awakened, so now you have a backlog from '84. How long do you go before you clear it out again.

J1: All are awakened, so now you have a backlog from '84. How long do you go before you clear it out again.

E1: Can you name some of the previous [[spiritual]] [[events]] that occurred prior to '84?

E1: Can you name some of the previous [[spiritual]] [[events]] that occurred prior to '84?

Iruka: There was the [[resurrection]] of [[Christ]] [[Michael]], your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter Easter].

Iruka: There was the [[resurrection]] of [[Christ]] [[Michael]], your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter Easter].

E1: So you didn't have a [[dispensation]] since the [[resurrection]] of [[Christ]] between '84 and that period. I mean nothing [[spiritual]] occurred between that time?

E1: So you didn't have a [[dispensation]] since the [[resurrection]] of [[Christ]] between '84 and that period. I mean nothing [[spiritual]] occurred between that time?

Iruka: Yes, certainly could be, however, with [[this mission]] and with the [[changes]] that have been made it may not be that long, it may be much sooner. It is nothing to worry about, to be concerned about. It is just..on our side a [[natural]] [[event]] and you forget that we are not tied to time the way you are. And so it does not seem nearly as long on this side as it does on your side.

Iruka: Yes, certainly could be, however, with [[this mission]] and with the [[changes]] that have been made it may not be that long, it may be much sooner. It is nothing to worry about, to be concerned about. It is just..on our side a [[natural]] [[event]] and you forget that we are not tied to time the way you are. And so it does not seem nearly as long on this side as it does on your side.

===='''''[[Stillness]]''''', '''''[[Inner Life]]'''''====

===='''''[[Stillness]]''''', '''''[[Inner Life]]'''''====

S2: When I first read the [[Urantia Book]] I was very much attracted to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again_%28Christianity%29 born again Christians] thinking that they had some special [[relationship]] with [[Jesus]]. And after about two years of trying to [[participate]] in their bible [[studies]], their groups, I convinced myself that it was all a [[facade]], a way of talking, a cultural thing. And I started going to the more [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_line_church main line churches] that give you more [[freedom]] to [[believe]] what you want. And now it seems I am back to the whole [[struggle]] of trying to find a [[personal]] [[relationship]]. But this time its the [[silence]] and [[listening]] for someone to talk to me. Is this...and my question is did [[Jesus]] actually teach the [[disciples]] the disciplines you are teaching us, the silence and [[listening]] to the [[Thought Adjuster]]. Did He use the [[terminology]], having a personal relationship with [[the Father]] or with Me. Did the [[disciples]] after He [[Resurrection|arose]], did they actually talk to [[Jesus]] in their [[minds]]. Where did this [[terminology]] of having a [[personal]] [[relationship]] with [[Jesus]] arise?

S2: When I first read the [[Urantia Book]] I was very much attracted to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again_%28Christianity%29 born again Christians] thinking that they had some special [[relationship]] with [[Jesus]]. And after about two years of trying to [[participate]] in their bible [[studies]], their groups, I convinced myself that it was all a [[facade]], a way of talking, a cultural thing. And I started going to the more [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_line_church main line churches] that give you more [[freedom]] to [[believe]] what you want. And now it seems I am back to the whole [[struggle]] of trying to find a [[personal]] [[relationship]]. But this time its the [[silence]] and [[listening]] for someone to talk to me. Is this...and my question is did [[Jesus]] actually teach the [[disciples]] the disciplines you are teaching us, the silence and [[listening]] to the [[Thought Adjuster]]. Did He use the [[terminology]], having a personal relationship with [[the Father]] or with Me. Did the [[disciples]] after He [[Resurrection|arose]], did they actually talk to [[Jesus]] in their [[minds]]. Where did this [[terminology]] of having a [[personal]] [[relationship]] with [[Jesus]] arise?

Iruka: Christ [[Michael]] did teach His [[disciples]] to spend time with [[the Father]] and [[listen]]. They had a lot of trouble with this, in some ways more trouble than you today are having trouble. They at first were caught up in the [[idea]] that they were going to have a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism kingdom on the planet], on earth. And they listened to the lessons but they didn't [[ignore]]... but they just..they didn't feel it was important at first, because they were going to set up [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism a kingdom]. After [[the resurrection]], and after Christ [[Michael]] left them [[physically]], after they spent a long time in [[shock]], and rethinking what happened, and resolving what happened in their minds, then they remembered the lessons and did start spending [[quiet time]] with [[the Father]], and [[listening]] to their [[Thought Adjuster]]. But there was so much other [[excitement]] to them going on that this came a long time afterwards. And then the [[books]] of the [[New Testament]] were written by various [[disciples]], and this was an [[inspiration]], [[the Father]] helped them, [[inspired]] them to write these things. So yes, this is where they get a personal

Iruka: Christ [[Michael]] did teach His [[disciples]] to spend time with [[the Father]] and [[listen]]. They had a lot of trouble with this, in some ways more trouble than you today are having trouble. They at first were caught up in the [[idea]] that they were going to have a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism kingdom on the planet], on earth. And they listened to the lessons but they didn't [[ignore]]... but they just..they didn't feel it was important at first, because they were going to set up [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism a kingdom]. After [[the resurrection]], and after Christ [[Michael]] left them [[physically]], after they spent a long time in [[shock]], and rethinking what happened, and resolving what happened in their minds, then they remembered the lessons and did start spending [[quiet time]] with [[the Father]], and [[listening]] to their [[Thought Adjuster]]. But there was so much other [[excitement]] to them going on that this came a long time afterwards. And then the [[books]] of the [[New Testament]] were written by various [[disciples]], and this was an [[inspiration]], [[the Father]] helped them, [[inspired]] them to write these things. So yes, this is where they get a personal

relationship. That Father can live inside of you. That Christ [[Michael]] can be at your side, that you don't have to do anything, you don't go through life [[alone]]. He is with you. Is this the question that you asked, am I answering the question you asked?

relationship. That Father can live inside of you. That Christ [[Michael]] can be at your side, that you don't have to do anything, you don't go through life [[alone]]. He is with you. Is this the question that you asked, am I answering the question you asked?

Definitely go with what your insides are telling you. It can be both or either. They both will work, your [[Thought Adjuster]] will contact you. He is [[flexible]] and he will [[contact]] you in whatever way he thinks you might hear him. He will meet you, so you have already made [[contact]] with him, but since you were [[listening]] for a [[voice]] you may not have [[recognized]] it. It is [[different]] for everyone. You talk about being in different groups or in different [[churches]], consider that your [[path]], your path went to one church for a while and went to another church for a while. That is your path, and you have gotten something from each group, from many people that you have talked with. You take what applies to you, what causes you to grow, what speaks to you in your [[development]], what you [[recognize]] as [[truth]] and you leave the rest. That is what everyone has to do. Because of your different needs and your different [[personalities]], this will be different for everyone. So think about your [[feelings]] from the [[heart]] or your gut feelings or whatever you call it and [[think]] of this as being your [[Thought Adjuster]] trying to make [[contact]]. I think in many people, in maybe every person, has heard the [[Thought Adjuster]] but because someone didn't say to them this is the thought adjuster, this is what he is going to [[sound]] like and this is what it is going to feel like, they didn't [[recognize]] it. Does this help?

Definitely go with what your insides are telling you. It can be both or either. They both will work, your [[Thought Adjuster]] will contact you. He is [[flexible]] and he will [[contact]] you in whatever way he thinks you might hear him. He will meet you, so you have already made [[contact]] with him, but since you were [[listening]] for a [[voice]] you may not have [[recognized]] it. It is [[different]] for everyone. You talk about being in different groups or in different [[churches]], consider that your [[path]], your path went to one church for a while and went to another church for a while. That is your path, and you have gotten something from each group, from many people that you have talked with. You take what applies to you, what causes you to grow, what speaks to you in your [[development]], what you [[recognize]] as [[truth]] and you leave the rest. That is what everyone has to do. Because of your different needs and your different [[personalities]], this will be different for everyone. So think about your [[feelings]] from the [[heart]] or your gut feelings or whatever you call it and [[think]] of this as being your [[Thought Adjuster]] trying to make [[contact]]. I think in many people, in maybe every person, has heard the [[Thought Adjuster]] but because someone didn't say to them this is the thought adjuster, this is what he is going to [[sound]] like and this is what it is going to feel like, they didn't [[recognize]] it. Does this help?

S2: Yes. When I was initiated into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation transcendental meditation] I lost...the TM people that my [[parents]] [[associated]] with started trying to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation#Technique levitate] and strapping pillows to their rear

S2: Yes. When I was initiated into [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation transcendental meditation] I lost...the TM people that my [[parents]] [[associated]] with started trying to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation#Technique levitate] and strapping pillows to their rear

ends...because they would bounce when they were levitating. The whole objective of learning to levitate baffled me. It seemed to be a means without an end, it seemed to be a inward [[journey]] that had a lot of outward components to it that were more [[free will]] violating, more free will encroaching...and I am [[wondering]] if I am hearing you say that the [[fact]] that I should be [[listening]] for the [[thought adjuster]] to verbalize in my [[mind]] [[words]] and trying to distinguish those from my own [[thoughts]] is an effort that is better let go of and more fruitful time will be spent feeling the [[thought adjuster]] right now, for me? I am trying to equate the thought adjuster talking in my [[mind]] with those people strapping pillows to their rear ends.

ends...because they would bounce when they were levitating. The whole objective of learning to levitate baffled me. It seemed to be a means without an end, it seemed to be a inward [[journey]] that had a lot of outward components to it that were more [[free will]] violating, more free will encroaching...and I am [[wondering]] if I am hearing you say that the [[fact]] that I should be [[listening]] for the [[thought adjuster]] to verbalize in my [[mind]] [[words]] and trying to distinguish those from my own [[thoughts]] is an effort that is better let go of and more fruitful time will be spent feeling the [[thought adjuster]] right now, for me? I am trying to equate the thought adjuster talking in my [[mind]] with those people strapping pillows to their rear ends.

Iruka: I cannot give a reason other than to say that is also my [[experience]]. That is the way He is. He will [[communicate]] but He also wants His [[children]] to [[love]] and [[communicate]] with each other. He would not want you to only talk with Him and [[ignore]] those around you. He wishes to [[encourage]] you to be with other people and have [[interaction]], show [[love]] to them through Him. Can you see how you would make [[the Father]] your best [[friend]] and ignore everyone around you. That may be one reason, but other than that all I can say is that is the way it is. That is the way I have found it to be also at this level. Things may [[change]] later but right now we are to learn from each other and to give each other [[encouragement]] and find [[strength]].

Iruka: I cannot give a reason other than to say that is also my [[experience]]. That is the way He is. He will [[communicate]] but He also wants His [[children]] to [[love]] and [[communicate]] with each other. He would not want you to only talk with Him and [[ignore]] those around you. He wishes to [[encourage]] you to be with other people and have [[interaction]], show [[love]] to them through Him. Can you see how you would make [[the Father]] your best [[friend]] and ignore everyone around you. That may be one reason, but other than that all I can say is that is the way it is. That is the way I have found it to be also at this level. Things may [[change]] later but right now we are to learn from each other and to give each other [[encouragement]] and find [[strength]].

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===='''''[[Health]]'''''====

S1: I think I can [[understand]] that rationale. Can I ask you a quick question, I don't know if you are qualified to answer this and you will [[understand]] why. I have begun a new regime of taking [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_supplements vitamins] at the suggestion of someone I [[respect]] and I have been [[feeling]] sort of [[different]], sort of sluggish after taking these. Can you tell me if this is actually good for me considering my situation.

S1: I think I can [[understand]] that rationale. Can I ask you a quick question, I don't know if you are qualified to answer this and you will [[understand]] why. I have begun a new regime of taking [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_supplements vitamins] at the suggestion of someone I [[respect]] and I have been [[feeling]] sort of [[different]], sort of sluggish after taking these. Can you tell me if this is actually good for me considering my situation.

Iruka: The best thing I think I can say is you can [[experiment]] with these vitamins, but don't replace a [[balanced]] [[diet]] with them. Keep the food, the [[balance]], the vegetables, the fresh fruit, don't take the vitamins and think that you can let your diet become unbalanced and [[ignore]] your [[food]]. Again each body, each [[individual]] is a little bit different and that is something you will have to [[experiment]] with, but the biggest [[danger]] I see is to ignore your balanced diet. Does this help?

Iruka: The best thing I think I can say is you can [[experiment]] with these vitamins, but don't replace a [[balanced]] [[diet]] with them. Keep the food, the [[balance]], the vegetables, the fresh fruit, don't take the vitamins and think that you can let your diet become unbalanced and [[ignore]] your [[food]]. Again each body, each [[individual]] is a little bit different and that is something you will have to [[experiment]] with, but the biggest [[danger]] I see is to ignore your balanced diet. Does this help?

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