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==Session==

==Session==

===Opening===

===Opening===

Iruka: The [[love]] of [[God]] [[surrounds]] you, the [[light]] of God enfolds you, the [[power]] of God [[protects]] you, wherever you are He is. Good afternoon my [[friends]] I am Iruka, I am your friend and [[teacher]]. Today I am glad to be here. It is such a lovely summer day, bright and [[clear]] and no humidity. I am becoming [[sensitive]] to what you are becoming sensitive to and that is the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humidity humidity], and so I [[appreciate]] this day in even a greater way than before. Last week I asked you to see the [[joy]] in your [[life]], and I know that you did. You made a very good beginning, but there is even more [[joy]] than what you found, even more [[love]] and [[beauty]] and [[grace]]. I wish you to grow your [[consciousness]] to the point where you can see it all around you, everywhere. Even in bad situations you can look above and appreciate [[the Father]]'s love.

Iruka: The [[love]] of [[God]] [[surrounds]] you, the [[light]] of God enfolds you, the [[power]] of God [[protects]] you, wherever you are He is. Good afternoon my [[friends]] I am Iruka, I am your friend and [[teacher]]. Today I am glad to be here. It is such a lovely summer day, bright and [[clear]] and no humidity. I am becoming [[sensitive]] to what you are becoming sensitive to and that is the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humidity humidity], and so I [[appreciate]] this day in even a greater way than before. Last week I asked you to see the [[joy]] in your [[life]], and I know that you did. You made a very good beginning, but there is even more [[joy]] than what you found, even more [[love]] and [[beauty]] and [[grace]]. I wish you to grow your [[consciousness]] to the point where you can see it all around you, everywhere. Even in bad situations you can look above and appreciate [[the Father]]'s love.

===Lesson===

===Lesson===

Iruka: [[Grace]] is [[the Father]], through [[humans]] or a human, allowing something to happen, or in a situation that you are OK or can accomplish something, catch a plane or something like that. It usually is over quickly and sometimes not so quickly. How are you defining [[predestination]]? Because that has so much to do with human will...it is not....how are you defining it.

Iruka: [[Grace]] is [[the Father]], through [[humans]] or a human, allowing something to happen, or in a situation that you are OK or can accomplish something, catch a plane or something like that. It usually is over quickly and sometimes not so quickly. How are you defining [[predestination]]? Because that has so much to do with human will...it is not....how are you defining it.

S2: In the [[traditional]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism Hindu] sense as I believe it, your [[life]] is set out for you. The mixture of [[human]] will into that [[idea]] could change [[predestination]] into [[grace]]. I just [[wonder]]..there are so many things that have happened to me in the last two weeks that I wonder whether it is [[grace]]. Is it grace that I meet somebody that is a dealer for the [http://www.scbbs.com/node/39 Folio software] that allows us to [[index]] [[transcripts]], and I don't have to pay for it, all I have to do is just ask him for it, a copy of it. Is it [[grace]] that I meet these people in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuma,_Arizona Yuma Arizona] that are fighting with each other and have given me the [[opportunity]] to [[act]] as a [[healer]]. Are these situations [[grace]].

S2: In the [[traditional]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism Hindu] sense as I believe it, your [[life]] is set out for you. The mixture of [[human]] will into that [[idea]] could change [[predestination]] into [[grace]]. I just [[wonder]]..there are so many things that have happened to me in the last two weeks that I wonder whether it is [[grace]]. Is it grace that I meet somebody that is a dealer for the [https://www.scbbs.com/node/39 Folio software] that allows us to [[index]] [[transcripts]], and I don't have to pay for it, all I have to do is just ask him for it, a copy of it. Is it [[grace]] that I meet these people in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuma,_Arizona Yuma Arizona] that are fighting with each other and have given me the [[opportunity]] to [[act]] as a [[healer]]. Are these situations [[grace]].

Iruka: In the larger sense of the word, yes. Not exactly the way I was [[describing]] it today, but I am just taking one small piece of [[grace]] and talking about it for today. This [[experience]] that you have had is a combination of [[grace]] and various [[entities]] that are working for this occurrence to happen, for you to be able to use the [[computer]] in a positive way to further the [[study]] and the spread of the [[Urantia Book]]. So that is a combination in that situation of two [[different]] things going on. And most things are, most of the things that go through life are combinations of different things. [[Predestination]], in the larger sense of being say [[born]] in the United States, or..that..if you are born to certain [[parents]], you live in a certain place. But it is truly your will that [[decides]] whom you will [[marry]] or if you wish to go to [[college]], now what your life situation is also determines that for [[money]] and time and your personal wish and drive to [[study]] or to not [[read]] at all. So much depends on your decisions that predestination really is not valid in those terms. Do you see what I am saying? You have so much [[power]] to change your life that it is [[difficult]] to say that it was predestined to happen. You could have [[decided]] to do anything.

Iruka: In the larger sense of the word, yes. Not exactly the way I was [[describing]] it today, but I am just taking one small piece of [[grace]] and talking about it for today. This [[experience]] that you have had is a combination of [[grace]] and various [[entities]] that are working for this occurrence to happen, for you to be able to use the [[computer]] in a positive way to further the [[study]] and the spread of the [[Urantia Book]]. So that is a combination in that situation of two [[different]] things going on. And most things are, most of the things that go through life are combinations of different things. [[Predestination]], in the larger sense of being say [[born]] in the United States, or..that..if you are born to certain [[parents]], you live in a certain place. But it is truly your will that [[decides]] whom you will [[marry]] or if you wish to go to [[college]], now what your life situation is also determines that for [[money]] and time and your personal wish and drive to [[study]] or to not [[read]] at all. So much depends on your decisions that predestination really is not valid in those terms. Do you see what I am saying? You have so much [[power]] to change your life that it is [[difficult]] to say that it was predestined to happen. You could have [[decided]] to do anything.

S2: In California I went to a [[meeting]], and I don't recall if this [[question]] was asked at the meeting or not, but the question was basically, has the [[guardian angel]] saved our lives, or saved the lives of people in this room. And the answer was, as I recollect it, at least every person in the room has had their life saved by a [[guardian angel]], or some type of [[angel]], at least once. Is that [[grace]], and is that [[frequency]] of saving our lives true.

S2: In California I went to a [[meeting]], and I don't recall if this [[question]] was asked at the meeting or not, but the question was basically, has the [[guardian angel]] saved our lives, or saved the lives of people in this room. And the answer was, as I recollect it, at least every person in the room has had their life saved by a [[guardian angel]], or some type of [[angel]], at least once. Is that [[grace]], and is that [[frequency]] of saving our lives true.

Iruka: The first question, is it [[grace]]? Absolutely. And the frequency, yes, yes it is. There, and you may not [[realize]] it, you have been in situations that could have gotten very bad and very threatening and didn't happen. Not stopping at a certain road side place, or not going into a certain store, or being somewhere else in an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake earthquake] where things couldn't fall on you. There are all kinds of things...you are very well [[protected]] and I tell you that and I know that you are not aware of many [[things]] so you can't identify with how you are being [[protected]]. Because in many cases you didn't know there was a threat. So yes, that is true.

Iruka: The first question, is it [[grace]]? Absolutely. And the frequency, yes, yes it is. There, and you may not [[realize]] it, you have been in situations that could have gotten very bad and very threatening and didn't happen. Not stopping at a certain road side place, or not going into a certain store, or being somewhere else in an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake earthquake] where things couldn't fall on you. There are all kinds of things...you are very well [[protected]] and I tell you that and I know that you are not aware of many [[things]] so you can't identify with how you are being [[protected]]. Because in many cases you didn't know there was a threat. So yes, that is true.

S2: When I was a child, I used to climb these very tall [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walnut_tree walnut trees] to the very top and then fall through the branches into the mud. A good 30 feet, used to drive my [[mother]] nuts. That was a [[choice]] on my part that was labelled as crazy on my part as a kid by my mom. And it leads to the whole [[question]] of daredevil [[activities]] and is that an exercise of our [[free will]], can we undertake such [[risks]] and risk our own lives that [[the Father]] will not [[protect]] us.

S2: When I was a child, I used to climb these very tall [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walnut_tree walnut trees] to the very top and then fall through the branches into the mud. A good 30 feet, used to drive my [[mother]] nuts. That was a [[choice]] on my part that was labelled as crazy on my part as a kid by my mom. And it leads to the whole [[question]] of daredevil [[activities]] and is that an exercise of our [[free will]], can we undertake such [[risks]] and risk our own lives that [[the Father]] will not [[protect]] us.

Iruka: This is a very [[difficult]] area and I do not [[understand]] it fully. Such as [[children]] playing on swings and many fall off, and one falls off and lands the wrong way and dies. And you say why? I don't know why, it is...I have no [[answer]] for that, but I have a [[feeling]] that when you did this you were being [[protected]] as much as possible. You did land OK, you didn't land on your neck, or your head, or break something vital. But see the [[possibility]] was there, so it is hard to say.

Iruka: This is a very [[difficult]] area and I do not [[understand]] it fully. Such as [[children]] playing on swings and many fall off, and one falls off and lands the wrong way and dies. And you say why? I don't know why, it is...I have no [[answer]] for that, but I have a [[feeling]] that when you did this you were being [[protected]] as much as possible. You did land OK, you didn't land on your neck, or your head, or break something vital. But see the [[possibility]] was there, so it is hard to say.

S2: I had a [[discussion]] with someone about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Merton Thomas Merton], and this person claimed that Thomas Merton was going to make a presentation to an assembled [[group]] of Catholics that was going to potentially [[change]] the [[church]] so much that the [[angels]] basically took Thomas Merton's life in that [[accident]] in the shower, with the fan and being electrocuted in India. And does [[grace]] act in the opposite way, for the [[protection]] of or the [[growth]] of a social [[institution]].

S2: I had a [[discussion]] with someone about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Merton Thomas Merton], and this person claimed that Thomas Merton was going to make a presentation to an assembled [[group]] of Catholics that was going to potentially [[change]] the [[church]] so much that the [[angels]] basically took Thomas Merton's life in that [[accident]] in the shower, with the fan and being electrocuted in India. And does [[grace]] act in the opposite way, for the [[protection]] of or the [[growth]] of a social [[institution]].

Iruka: No. None of the [[angels]] or any beings would hurt, much less cause, the [[death]] of a [[human being]]. That is absolutely forbidden. You see everyone has free [[choice]] and free will to make any decision they wish, and they would not be stopped in a situation like that. That [[sounds]] more like poor wiring or something. But to blame the [[angels]] that are supposed to [[protect]], and they [[love]] you, is not correct. [thanks]

Iruka: No. None of the [[angels]] or any beings would hurt, much less cause, the [[death]] of a [[human being]]. That is absolutely forbidden. You see everyone has free [[choice]] and free will to make any decision they wish, and they would not be stopped in a situation like that. That [[sounds]] more like poor wiring or something. But to blame the [[angels]] that are supposed to [[protect]], and they [[love]] you, is not correct. [thanks]

Iruka: And in your [[listening]] also listen the best you can and see if you can come up with the name also. It is not easy, names are [[difficult]].

Iruka: And in your [[listening]] also listen the best you can and see if you can come up with the name also. It is not easy, names are [[difficult]].

S2: Iruka, in the [[silence]] there seems in my [[mind]] there has developed two [[strategies]]. One comes out of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation TM experiences] I had as a child. When I feel myself [[thinking]] a thought we are taught in TM to [[resurrect]] the [[mantra]] until the thought goes away. And then you go into the [[silence]], and when another thought comes I sometimes [[practice]] [[thinking]] of a boat on top of a calm [[lake]] or the [[fog]] rolling in and the all [[encompassing]] [[love]]. And then the thought goes away, the chatter in my mind goes away. If I repeat that [[process]] over and over again it is as if I go into a big [[fog]] and awareness of myself disappears and I have a [[fear]] that if the teacher spoke to me in that fog that I wouldn't be able to hear it. The next approach of [[silence]] is where I try to calm my [[mind]] and in this one it is an increasing [[awareness]] of a [[sphere]] inside of my mind that is huge and my body is [[poised]] in [[anticipation]] and perhaps I am saying, [[chanting]] to myself 'listen, [[listen]], listen..' and in that type of [[emotional]] [[expectation]]. So one is consuming a lot of [[energy]] in my [[body]], the latter state, and in the former state where I am in this [[fog]] it can drift off into [[sleep]] or it can get so deep this [[fog]] that if somebody tugs you on your shirt, you can't come out of it [[immediately]] without [[feeling]] very disoriented. So I have described in my mind two different types of [[silences]], one is this [[fog]] and the other is this incredible [[anticipation]] and I am wondering if you could help me choose one of those or comment on a different [[strategy]].

S2: Iruka, in the [[silence]] there seems in my [[mind]] there has developed two [[strategies]]. One comes out of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation TM experiences] I had as a child. When I feel myself [[thinking]] a thought we are taught in TM to [[resurrect]] the [[mantra]] until the thought goes away. And then you go into the [[silence]], and when another thought comes I sometimes [[practice]] [[thinking]] of a boat on top of a calm [[lake]] or the [[fog]] rolling in and the all [[encompassing]] [[love]]. And then the thought goes away, the chatter in my mind goes away. If I repeat that [[process]] over and over again it is as if I go into a big [[fog]] and awareness of myself disappears and I have a [[fear]] that if the teacher spoke to me in that fog that I wouldn't be able to hear it. The next approach of [[silence]] is where I try to calm my [[mind]] and in this one it is an increasing [[awareness]] of a [[sphere]] inside of my mind that is huge and my body is [[poised]] in [[anticipation]] and perhaps I am saying, [[chanting]] to myself 'listen, [[listen]], listen..' and in that type of [[emotional]] [[expectation]]. So one is consuming a lot of [[energy]] in my [[body]], the latter state, and in the former state where I am in this [[fog]] it can drift off into [[sleep]] or it can get so deep this [[fog]] that if somebody tugs you on your shirt, you can't come out of it [[immediately]] without [[feeling]] very disoriented. So I have described in my mind two different types of [[silences]], one is this [[fog]] and the other is this incredible [[anticipation]] and I am wondering if you could help me choose one of those or comment on a different [[strategy]].

Iruka: Yes, I will try.

Iruka: Yes, I will try.

You do not have to be in a [[deep]] [[state]] at all, it is very close to how you live. Actually, most people have said it is easier than what they thought it would be. The [[T/R]] could sit here with eyes open and hear my [[words]] and repeat them to you. The [[problem]] would be the T/R might start watching the baby and think of the baby and not [[listen]] to me or look at you and you might have a [[reaction]] on your face and then the T/R would [[react]] to your facial [[expression]] and forget to [[listen]] to me. Is this helping you to know how to make [[contact]] and how to [[practice]] [[consciousness]].

You do not have to be in a [[deep]] [[state]] at all, it is very close to how you live. Actually, most people have said it is easier than what they thought it would be. The [[T/R]] could sit here with eyes open and hear my [[words]] and repeat them to you. The [[problem]] would be the T/R might start watching the baby and think of the baby and not [[listen]] to me or look at you and you might have a [[reaction]] on your face and then the T/R would [[react]] to your facial [[expression]] and forget to [[listen]] to me. Is this helping you to know how to make [[contact]] and how to [[practice]] [[consciousness]].

===='''''[[Thought Adjusters]]''''', '''''[[Communication]]'''''====

===='''''[[Thought Adjusters]]''''', '''''[[Communication]]'''''====

S2: Yes, tremendously. In this trip to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuma,_Arizona Yuma] I would sit in [[silence]] and try to [[practice]] the silence and there is this one particular fellow there that was basically the cause of all the [[tension]] in this [[organization]] and I felt like I was being rehearsed on what to say to him. Everyday I would go in there to this [[organization]] and I would try to put those [[thoughts]] out of my mind and they would just come back and this is more in the [[conversational]] state that you are describing, the more daily living [[state]] of the [[mind]]. And I am [[wondering]] is it sometimes my [[thought adjuster]] that is feeding me all this stuff? Or is that the [[teacher]], should I reserve time to work with my [[thought adjuster]] and expect the [[analogies]] for my presentations and these strategies for making people feel [[good]] and start to work together. Are those coming from the [[thought adjuster]] and reserve other time for the teacher. Two questions.

S2: Yes, tremendously. In this trip to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuma,_Arizona Yuma] I would sit in [[silence]] and try to [[practice]] the silence and there is this one particular fellow there that was basically the cause of all the [[tension]] in this [[organization]] and I felt like I was being rehearsed on what to say to him. Everyday I would go in there to this [[organization]] and I would try to put those [[thoughts]] out of my mind and they would just come back and this is more in the [[conversational]] state that you are describing, the more daily living [[state]] of the [[mind]]. And I am [[wondering]] is it sometimes my [[thought adjuster]] that is feeding me all this stuff? Or is that the [[teacher]], should I reserve time to work with my [[thought adjuster]] and expect the [[analogies]] for my presentations and these strategies for making people feel [[good]] and start to work together. Are those coming from the [[thought adjuster]] and reserve other time for the teacher. Two questions.

Iruka: Basically yes. When you spend [[time]] with [[the Father]] your teacher will not [[interfere]] or [[distract]] you in any way, will not try to make [[contact]] or say anything to you. That is your time with [[the Father]], that is the most important thing for you to do. That is what we are here to teach is your time with [[the Father]]. Number one [[priority]], that is when you feel your [[love]], that is where you get your [[strength]], your [[growth]]. When you are finished with [[the Father]]...and this can be [[immediately]] after or later in the day or at a totally [[different]] time in the day...but doesn't have to be at the [[same time]] at all, then when you are ready to [[communicate]] with your teacher. Now one thing the teacher does is always to identify herself or himself.

Iruka: Basically yes. When you spend [[time]] with [[the Father]] your teacher will not [[interfere]] or [[distract]] you in any way, will not try to make [[contact]] or say anything to you. That is your time with [[the Father]], that is the most important thing for you to do. That is what we are here to teach is your time with [[the Father]]. Number one [[priority]], that is when you feel your [[love]], that is where you get your [[strength]], your [[growth]]. When you are finished with [[the Father]]...and this can be [[immediately]] after or later in the day or at a totally [[different]] time in the day...but doesn't have to be at the [[same time]] at all, then when you are ready to [[communicate]] with your teacher. Now one thing the teacher does is always to identify herself or himself.

When I start to speak to you, I say 'I am Iruka, I am your teacher and [[friend]]' or '[[guide]]' or whatever but I tell you who I am. When I talk to the [[T/R]] I say my name so there is no [[doubt]] in your [[mind]] or the T/R's mind who is doing the [[speaking]]. OK so that is how you will know your teacher. When you are with [[the Father]] you know that will be your [[thought adjuster]]. And the other way of knowing, sometimes you are [[thinking]] to yourself [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_association_%28psychology%29 free associating], and it is your thoughts and the only way to know is; what are they, are they [[good]], are they [[positive]]. In some cases, it is not important who gives you these thoughts. If they are from you or your [[thought adjuster]], it doesn't matter where they come from, if they pass these tests about being [[positive]], [[good]], uplifting, [[sharing]] [[love]], giving [[joy]], it doesn't matter. If it is good it is worth using. Does this help you? [yes, thanks]

When I start to speak to you, I say 'I am Iruka, I am your teacher and [[friend]]' or '[[guide]]' or whatever but I tell you who I am. When I talk to the [[T/R]] I say my name so there is no [[doubt]] in your [[mind]] or the T/R's mind who is doing the [[speaking]]. OK so that is how you will know your teacher. When you are with [[the Father]] you know that will be your [[thought adjuster]]. And the other way of knowing, sometimes you are [[thinking]] to yourself [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_association_%28psychology%29 free associating], and it is your thoughts and the only way to know is; what are they, are they [[good]], are they [[positive]]. In some cases, it is not important who gives you these thoughts. If they are from you or your [[thought adjuster]], it doesn't matter where they come from, if they pass these tests about being [[positive]], [[good]], uplifting, [[sharing]] [[love]], giving [[joy]], it doesn't matter. If it is good it is worth using. Does this help you? [yes, thanks]

E1: Iruka, back to my situation, in the [[Urantia Book]] it says 'the keys to [[the kingdom]] are [[decisions]], decisions, and more decisions'. In terms of the decision that I made, how will that help me enter into the kingdom, or does it mean like [[spiritual]] [[decisions]].

E1: Iruka, back to my situation, in the [[Urantia Book]] it says 'the keys to [[the kingdom]] are [[decisions]], decisions, and more decisions'. In terms of the decision that I made, how will that help me enter into the kingdom, or does it mean like [[spiritual]] [[decisions]].

Iruka: You had two different situations on [[Urantia|the planet]]. You had the [[Lucifer rebellion]] and you had the [[default of Adam and Eve]]. So while these [[Isolated worlds|other planets experienced the revolution]], they didn't experience the [[default of Adam and Eve]]. Is this what you are asking. [yes, that answers it]

Iruka: You had two different situations on [[Urantia|the planet]]. You had the [[Lucifer rebellion]] and you had the [[default of Adam and Eve]]. So while these [[Isolated worlds|other planets experienced the revolution]], they didn't experience the [[default of Adam and Eve]]. Is this what you are asking. [yes, that answers it]

===='''''[[Healing]]'''''====

===='''''[[Healing]]'''''====

G3: I was [[wondering]] how come it is the [[practice]] of..maybe not common is not the [[word]]...but how easy is it for other people who have [[different]] [[religious]] backgrounds such as...I think the [[Chinese]] practice [[Buddhism]], and a friend of mine is in some type of religion called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian Rosicrucian]. Both of these people have [[expressed]] to me that they have the gift of [[healing]]. And I was wondering is this..the gift of healing..is this something that is common to a lot of different people of [[Diversity|various]] [[religious]] backgrounds. Is it something that if you ask for it, no matter where you are, what religious background you belong to, that is possible for you to receive this because I know a lot of people who claim that they have the [[gift]] and I believe they probably do have it, the gift of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands laying on of hands] and healing.

G3: I was [[wondering]] how come it is the [[practice]] of..maybe not common is not the [[word]]...but how easy is it for other people who have [[different]] [[religious]] backgrounds such as...I think the [[Chinese]] practice [[Buddhism]], and a friend of mine is in some type of religion called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian Rosicrucian]. Both of these people have [[expressed]] to me that they have the gift of [[healing]]. And I was wondering is this..the gift of healing..is this something that is common to a lot of different people of [[Diversity|various]] [[religious]] backgrounds. Is it something that if you ask for it, no matter where you are, what religious background you belong to, that is possible for you to receive this because I know a lot of people who claim that they have the [[gift]] and I believe they probably do have it, the gift of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laying_on_of_hands laying on of hands] and healing.

Iruka: Yes, it is very possible. You see [[God]] loves all of His children and whatever [[religion]] or system they were [[born]] into, that is usually where you stay. Not always, but generally you just [[grow]] up with the same religion as your [[parents]] and as you wish to become closer to [[the Father]], He will do whatever it takes to bring you closer to Him. And it doesn't matter what [[religion]] you are [[practicing]], if you wish to get closer to [[God]], He will answer that and [[encourage]] that and say yes. So yes, there are many people who have this gift. They may [[define]] it differently than you do. They may call it a [[different]] name, they may [[respond]] to it differently, but it is all from [[God]], is all from [[the Father]]. And if it helps someone else, it is good. Does this answer.

Iruka: Yes, it is very possible. You see [[God]] loves all of His children and whatever [[religion]] or system they were [[born]] into, that is usually where you stay. Not always, but generally you just [[grow]] up with the same religion as your [[parents]] and as you wish to become closer to [[the Father]], He will do whatever it takes to bring you closer to Him. And it doesn't matter what [[religion]] you are [[practicing]], if you wish to get closer to [[God]], He will answer that and [[encourage]] that and say yes. So yes, there are many people who have this gift. They may [[define]] it differently than you do. They may call it a [[different]] name, they may [[respond]] to it differently, but it is all from [[God]], is all from [[the Father]]. And if it helps someone else, it is good. Does this answer.

G2: Yeah, I know a lot of times you hear in the media about selling your [[soul]] to the [[devil]], do you know where that term came from?

G2: Yeah, I know a lot of times you hear in the media about selling your [[soul]] to the [[devil]], do you know where that term came from?

Iruka: Of course it is in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folklore folklore], when somebody wants something very badly and the [[story]] is that the [[devil]] will grant them their [[wish]] for whatever it is, but gets the [[soul]]. This is for people who believe in [[hell]], in a place of eternal torment. But this should have no [[meaning]] to you anymore, because you know that it doesn't exist and even [[Lucifer]] and [[Satan]] don't exist anymore. So it is more of a [[mythology]], of a folklore type of thing and really has no place in your [[understanding]] of [[the Father]]. Does this help?

Iruka: Of course it is in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folklore folklore], when somebody wants something very badly and the [[story]] is that the [[devil]] will grant them their [[wish]] for whatever it is, but gets the [[soul]]. This is for people who believe in [[hell]], in a place of eternal torment. But this should have no [[meaning]] to you anymore, because you know that it doesn't exist and even [[Lucifer]] and [[Satan]] don't exist anymore. So it is more of a [[mythology]], of a folklore type of thing and really has no place in your [[understanding]] of [[the Father]]. Does this help?

G2: Yes it does, I have one more question. I know last week we were [[reading]] in [[the papers]] of that other group, and I was wondering, when a person from one of the Urantia groups that is on this level, [[decides]] to deviate...well that is not the proper term, they stray from [[listening]] to the [[teacher]] all the time. Can that develop a certain...I guess the best [[parable]] I can think of is the movie '[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars Star Wars]' where the boy Luke was in [[training]] and he left before he was completely trained mentally and physically. Can something worse become of not becoming totally [[oriented]] or..am I making sense with my question?

G2: Yes it does, I have one more question. I know last week we were [[reading]] in [[the papers]] of that other group, and I was wondering, when a person from one of the Urantia groups that is on this level, [[decides]] to deviate...well that is not the proper term, they stray from [[listening]] to the [[teacher]] all the time. Can that develop a certain...I guess the best [[parable]] I can think of is the movie '[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars Star Wars]' where the boy Luke was in [[training]] and he left before he was completely trained mentally and physically. Can something worse become of not becoming totally [[oriented]] or..am I making sense with my question?

Iruka: I think I [[understand]], and of course you always have [[free will]] to stop your [[growth]]. Is this what you are saying, you stop your growth, and then you [[stagnate]]. But as far as something terrible happening, no you just don't fulfill your [[potential]] that you could have in this lifetime. And that is your [[choice]], of course. And it can be ended any time.

Iruka: I think I [[understand]], and of course you always have [[free will]] to stop your [[growth]]. Is this what you are saying, you stop your growth, and then you [[stagnate]]. But as far as something terrible happening, no you just don't fulfill your [[potential]] that you could have in this lifetime. And that is your [[choice]], of course. And it can be ended any time.

G2: Is it possible to go in a [[negative]] direction. What I am concerned about is maybe somebody splintering off and becoming more like a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh Koresh].

G2: Is it possible to go in a [[negative]] direction. What I am concerned about is maybe somebody splintering off and becoming more like a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh Koresh].

Iruka: I [[understand]] your question much better now. In that case, the [[person]] would have stopped [[listening]] to [[the Father]] obviously. Because if he is saying things that the Father would not say....you have to [[listen]] to the [[words]]. If the words do not match up with what [[the Father]] would say, then you know something is wrong. And if somebody says something that is not right, obviously he is no longer [[listening]] to [[the Father]]. And so yes, a person can...that can happen. Your [[ego]] can get mixed up in there. Are you [[expressing]] a fear that this can happen?

Iruka: I [[understand]] your question much better now. In that case, the [[person]] would have stopped [[listening]] to [[the Father]] obviously. Because if he is saying things that the Father would not say....you have to [[listen]] to the [[words]]. If the words do not match up with what [[the Father]] would say, then you know something is wrong. And if somebody says something that is not right, obviously he is no longer [[listening]] to [[the Father]]. And so yes, a person can...that can happen. Your [[ego]] can get mixed up in there. Are you [[expressing]] a fear that this can happen?

G2: Yes, it helps a lot.

G2: Yes, it helps a lot.

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S2: You said you knew the [[Bible]]. I teach a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school Sunday school] class and every fall they give us a series of passages in the [[Old Testament]] to teach the kids. Normally there is very [[difficult]] passages in the Old Testament that are hard to put a [[positive]] spin on and create lots of uneasiness in the fourth graders. I just want to [[read]] one that was particularly this way..its in the section right after [[Adam and Eve]] default and just before [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah Noah]. It is the [[connective]] material between the Adam and Eve lineage, then the Noah story. It is [[describing]] how [[evil]] the world was that Noah was [[participating]] in. This is [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_genesis#Chapter_.6 chapter six of Genesis], verse four...'there were giants in the [[earth]] in those days and also after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bear [[children]] to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw the [[wickedness]]' and it also says in here that these daughters that were born were giants and that there were giants in these days, and these giants were wicked.

S2: You said you knew the [[Bible]]. I teach a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school Sunday school] class and every fall they give us a series of passages in the [[Old Testament]] to teach the kids. Normally there is very [[difficult]] passages in the Old Testament that are hard to put a [[positive]] spin on and create lots of uneasiness in the fourth graders. I just want to [[read]] one that was particularly this way..its in the section right after [[Adam and Eve]] default and just before [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah Noah]. It is the [[connective]] material between the Adam and Eve lineage, then the Noah story. It is [[describing]] how [[evil]] the world was that Noah was [[participating]] in. This is [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_genesis#Chapter_.6 chapter six of Genesis], verse four...'there were giants in the [[earth]] in those days and also after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bear [[children]] to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw the [[wickedness]]' and it also says in here that these daughters that were born were giants and that there were giants in these days, and these giants were wicked.

I haven't got the whole verse there but anyway when my kids [[read]] this verse they started drawing these [[pictures]] of giants, poking each other with [[swords]], and eating people, and they went out of [[control]]. So what we did, we took the flood and we...in our [[puppet]] show we create every fall and let the kids [[practice]], we let the flood wash away all these giants. My question is, is this the proper [[positive]] spin. I have been rationalizing this to myself as a teacher in a Sunday school, that I am teaching them a [[foundation]] or a [[history]], a grounding if you will in [[Christian]] [[culture]]. Am I on the right track.

I haven't got the whole verse there but anyway when my kids [[read]] this verse they started drawing these [[pictures]] of giants, poking each other with [[swords]], and eating people, and they went out of [[control]]. So what we did, we took the flood and we...in our [[puppet]] show we create every fall and let the kids [[practice]], we let the flood wash away all these giants. My question is, is this the proper [[positive]] spin. I have been rationalizing this to myself as a teacher in a Sunday school, that I am teaching them a [[foundation]] or a [[history]], a grounding if you will in [[Christian]] [[culture]]. Am I on the right track.