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Iruka: Your welcome and this may take a while to sort out and define and choose, because it is a [[choice]]. [thanks]

Iruka: Your welcome and this may take a while to sort out and define and choose, because it is a [[choice]]. [thanks]

===='''''[[Catastrophism]]'''''====

===='''''[[Catastrophism]]'''''====

E1: Hello Iruka, my question has to do with the [[disasters]] that are occurring. Is there something [[spiritual]] behind them or is it just some [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disaster natural disaster].

E1: Hello Iruka, my question has to do with the [[disasters]] that are occurring. Is there something [[spiritual]] behind them or is it just some [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disaster natural disaster].

Iruka: Hello, are you referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods flooding] when you say this?

Iruka: Hello, are you referring to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods flooding] when you say this?

E1: The flooding, Andrew, it seems like things have been happening not only to eat up the [[government]]'s [[money]] but it just wastes people's money, and [[homes]], and things. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricanes hurricanes] . ..it seems like ever since [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990 1990] we have been having unusual disasters, and I am [[wondering]] is there any spiritual [[implication]] behind them. As most [[biblical]] people probably would think there are. That [[God]]'s [[wrath]] is falling down on us and whatever else is [[doomed]] for [[humankind]] here on earth.

E1: The flooding, Andrew, it seems like things have been happening not only to eat up the [[government]]'s [[money]] but it just wastes people's money, and [[homes]], and things. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricanes hurricanes] . ..it seems like ever since [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990 1990] we have been having unusual disasters, and I am [[wondering]] is there any spiritual [[implication]] behind them. As most [[biblical]] people probably would think there are. That [[God]]'s [[wrath]] is falling down on us and whatever else is [[doomed]] for [[humankind]] here on earth.

Iruka: Father loves His children and wants them to grow, but He does not shower [[wrath]] down. He does not get [[angry]] and cause bad things to happen. It is the combination of what is going on in [[the planet]] itself. There is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods flooding] all the time in [[different]] parts of the world, but you may not hear about it because it does not make the news. People are [[starving]] in many places, but it does not always make the newspaper. There are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought droughts] in various parts of the world, there are floods in various parts of the world. It may be that you are particularly [[aware]] of this because it is happening to Americans, to people who speak the same language that you speak, and who gets the news media's [[attention]]. So no, this is nothing [[unusual]]. You might become [[sensitized]] to this if you read small print or single news items, a flood here, a mud slide there, or drought. But it is because they are fellow Americans with the news people right there.

Iruka: Father loves His children and wants them to grow, but He does not shower [[wrath]] down. He does not get [[angry]] and cause bad things to happen. It is the combination of what is going on in [[the planet]] itself. There is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods flooding] all the time in [[different]] parts of the world, but you may not hear about it because it does not make the news. People are [[starving]] in many places, but it does not always make the newspaper. There are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought droughts] in various parts of the world, there are floods in various parts of the world. It may be that you are particularly [[aware]] of this because it is happening to Americans, to people who speak the same language that you speak, and who gets the news media's [[attention]]. So no, this is nothing [[unusual]]. You might become [[sensitized]] to this if you read small print or single news items, a flood here, a mud slide there, or drought. But it is because they are fellow Americans with the news people right there.

E1: But not only, you know with the [[media]], but for example the [[degree]]. They are saying how this has been the largest, or the heaviest...even around the world, I think there was an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Major_earthquakes earthquake] in South America, and they were saying how that was the biggest...it seems as though everything is being done out of its [[proportion]] as usual. My question is there any [[spiritual]] [[implication]] behind it or is it just something that the [[earth]] goes through.

E1: But not only, you know with the [[media]], but for example the [[degree]]. They are saying how this has been the largest, or the heaviest...even around the world, I think there was an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Major_earthquakes earthquake] in South America, and they were saying how that was the biggest...it seems as though everything is being done out of its [[proportion]] as usual. My question is there any [[spiritual]] [[implication]] behind it or is it just something that the [[earth]] goes through.

Iruka: It is something that the [[earth]] goes through. When they say it is the biggest, or the worst, think of how long they have been keeping [[records]]; one hundred years, two hundred years, three hundred years? In all the hundreds of thousands of years of [[this planet]] you can't really [[compare]] it. You don't know what happened [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,000_years_ago ten thousand years ago]. You don't know what happened [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_BC four thousand years ago]. It is a measuring stick that is not very long in terms of the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of the planet]. [[Consider]] this when you hear these phrases.

Iruka: It is something that the [[earth]] goes through. When they say it is the biggest, or the worst, think of how long they have been keeping [[records]]; one hundred years, two hundred years, three hundred years? In all the hundreds of thousands of years of [[this planet]] you can't really [[compare]] it. You don't know what happened [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,000_years_ago ten thousand years ago]. You don't know what happened [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_BC four thousand years ago]. It is a measuring stick that is not very long in terms of the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of the planet]. [[Consider]] this when you hear these phrases.

===='''''[[Thought]]'''''====

===='''''[[Thought]]'''''====

L1: Hi Iruka, can our [[thoughts]] [[collectively]] have [[negative]] [[effects]] on the [[earth]]?

L1: Hi Iruka, can our [[thoughts]] [[collectively]] have [[negative]] [[effects]] on the [[earth]]?

Iruka: Both directly and indirectly, yes.

Iruka: Both directly and indirectly, yes.

===='''''[[Social Movements]]'''''====

===='''''[[Social Movements]]'''''====

L1: I have a [[question]] that is on perhaps a [[trivial]] level, but I am interested just the same. I am deeply [[inspired]] by certain people that have led this country, and had an enormous [[impact]] on our [[history]], one in particular is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King Martin Luther King], who I feel really changed the [[direction]] of this country and the world. So when really powerful [[leaders]] like him move on, do they then become...are they still [[connected]] with our world, are they still [[influencing]] [[events]] in some way, in this system or do they then move on to other systems where they can have [[influences]] elsewhere. Say, [[teaching mission]]s elsewhere that they might be involved in.

L1: I have a [[question]] that is on perhaps a [[trivial]] level, but I am interested just the same. I am deeply [[inspired]] by certain people that have led this country, and had an enormous [[impact]] on our [[history]], one in particular is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King Martin Luther King], who I feel really changed the [[direction]] of this country and the world. So when really powerful [[leaders]] like him move on, do they then become...are they still [[connected]] with our world, are they still [[influencing]] [[events]] in some way, in this system or do they then move on to other systems where they can have [[influences]] elsewhere. Say, [[teaching mission]]s elsewhere that they might be involved in.

Iruka: As you move on into the [[morontia]] worlds, the [[awareness]] of everyone becomes increased. The [[movement]] toward [[love]] and [[joy]] and [[peace]] of everyone influences, and it grows, it is [[contagious]]. So in answer to your question, it does [[effect]] everyone the more [[love]] there is, the more [[growth]] [[inspires]] more growth, moving toward [[the Father]], toward [[light]], towards [[life]]. There are [[prayers]] for [[this planet]] from the ones who have gone beyond, are in the [[morontia]] worlds, they send prayers to [[the Father]] for this planet. So they are helping the [[movement]], the [[enlightenment]]. Is this answering your question?

Iruka: As you move on into the [[morontia]] worlds, the [[awareness]] of everyone becomes increased. The [[movement]] toward [[love]] and [[joy]] and [[peace]] of everyone influences, and it grows, it is [[contagious]]. So in answer to your question, it does [[effect]] everyone the more [[love]] there is, the more [[growth]] [[inspires]] more growth, moving toward [[the Father]], toward [[light]], towards [[life]]. There are [[prayers]] for [[this planet]] from the ones who have gone beyond, are in the [[morontia]] worlds, they send prayers to [[the Father]] for this planet. So they are helping the [[movement]], the [[enlightenment]]. Is this answering your question?

Iruka: As a planet and there are prayers also for [[individual]] loved ones, or individual [[families]]. And so yes.

Iruka: As a planet and there are prayers also for [[individual]] loved ones, or individual [[families]]. And so yes.

S2: Iruka, my [[brother]] [[witnessed]] the [[death]] of [http://transitionsmedia.com/trm-hosts-2/alan100t/ Alan Hunter], who was a man I would [[love]] to live my life after, pattern my life after. My brother saw Alan Hunter change into a, as he describes him, a fearful child just before he died. And my brother reacted negatively to that...and basically gave up a lot of [[ideals]] and.. I was [[listening]] to a tape about a [[priest]] who knew [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Schucman the lady] who wrote the "[[Course of Miracles]]" and he was very [[negative]] about the "Course of Miracles" and it all seemed to be linked up to the [[fact]] that he saw this lady die. When she died she turned into a very bitter person. So a lot of would-be saints that completed their lives seem to lose [[value]], during that period of facing [[death]], in their followers. I am [[wondering]] why, is it because the followers have invested themselves in that [[personality]] and have not separated that [[leader]]'s personality from the [[truth]]?

S2: Iruka, my [[brother]] [[witnessed]] the [[death]] of [https://transitionsmedia.com/trm-hosts-2/alan100t/ Alan Hunter], who was a man I would [[love]] to live my life after, pattern my life after. My brother saw Alan Hunter change into a, as he describes him, a fearful child just before he died. And my brother reacted negatively to that...and basically gave up a lot of [[ideals]] and.. I was [[listening]] to a tape about a [[priest]] who knew [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Schucman the lady] who wrote the "[[Course of Miracles]]" and he was very [[negative]] about the "Course of Miracles" and it all seemed to be linked up to the [[fact]] that he saw this lady die. When she died she turned into a very bitter person. So a lot of would-be saints that completed their lives seem to lose [[value]], during that period of facing [[death]], in their followers. I am [[wondering]] why, is it because the followers have invested themselves in that [[personality]] and have not separated that [[leader]]'s personality from the [[truth]]?

Iruka: Very possibly, yes, that is why it is so [[dangerous]] to look to another [[human being]] as one to follow. Of course the one to look at is Christ [[Michael]]. Now to look to another [[individual]] has both positive and negatives; what they are teaching, what they are saying can contain much [[truth]]. But they are not [[infallible]] and it should always be tested against what Christ [[Michael]] says and when you go into your [[Stillness|private time with the Father]], it should be tested and if it is good and uplifting, then keep it. If it isn't, cast it off. Even what I say to you should be judged. Even what I say should be tested, should be taken to the Father and if it is [[good]], keep it, and if it doesn't apply to you or if it doesn't work, get rid of it. Don't follow any other person [[blindly]], you have all been given [[brains]] to use. You know what happens when [[leaders]] are followed blindly, things like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege Waco, the incident with Jim Jones]. The individuals themselves are searching, they are loving, they are [[sincere]], but they have given their [[allegiance]] to another [[human]]. They have given their power to a human and that is where you should draw the line. Take what is [[good]] and leave the rest. In both [[individuals]] that you have referred to, they had much [[truth]] but they didn't have all of it. They were not [[perfect]], so to take everything they said is quite [[dangerous]]. You always must judge [[words]], you must separate the good from the bad and don't throw the good things that they said or wrote away, but know that they were [[human]], they had their own [[fears]] and they weren't [[perfect]]. Does this help? [yes] Was this the question?

Iruka: Very possibly, yes, that is why it is so [[dangerous]] to look to another [[human being]] as one to follow. Of course the one to look at is Christ [[Michael]]. Now to look to another [[individual]] has both positive and negatives; what they are teaching, what they are saying can contain much [[truth]]. But they are not [[infallible]] and it should always be tested against what Christ [[Michael]] says and when you go into your [[Stillness|private time with the Father]], it should be tested and if it is good and uplifting, then keep it. If it isn't, cast it off. Even what I say to you should be judged. Even what I say should be tested, should be taken to the Father and if it is [[good]], keep it, and if it doesn't apply to you or if it doesn't work, get rid of it. Don't follow any other person [[blindly]], you have all been given [[brains]] to use. You know what happens when [[leaders]] are followed blindly, things like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege Waco, the incident with Jim Jones]. The individuals themselves are searching, they are loving, they are [[sincere]], but they have given their [[allegiance]] to another [[human]]. They have given their power to a human and that is where you should draw the line. Take what is [[good]] and leave the rest. In both [[individuals]] that you have referred to, they had much [[truth]] but they didn't have all of it. They were not [[perfect]], so to take everything they said is quite [[dangerous]]. You always must judge [[words]], you must separate the good from the bad and don't throw the good things that they said or wrote away, but know that they were [[human]], they had their own [[fears]] and they weren't [[perfect]]. Does this help? [yes] Was this the question?

===='''''[[Truth]]''''', '''''[[Parenting]]'''''====

===='''''[[Truth]]''''', '''''[[Parenting]]'''''====

S2: Yes. I have a follow up. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_(Bible) Eli] in the [[Bible]], the judge, the head priest of [[Israel]]. His sons didn't live up to the [[standards]] that Eli set for himself. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel Samuel] followed Eli and Samuel's son didn't live up to the standards that Samuel himself had set. [[Ghandi]]'s sons didn't live up to the [[standards]] that Ghandi had set. I am wondering about my sons. I am wondering about how is it that we can pass on from one [[human being]] to another at least that [[positive]] [[truth]]. So it doesn't have to be re-learned, it doesn't have to be re-[[discovered]]. Why is that part of our [[society]]'s [[existence]] so [[difficult]].

S2: Yes. I have a follow up. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_(Bible) Eli] in the [[Bible]], the judge, the head priest of [[Israel]]. His sons didn't live up to the [[standards]] that Eli set for himself. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel Samuel] followed Eli and Samuel's son didn't live up to the standards that Samuel himself had set. [[Ghandi]]'s sons didn't live up to the [[standards]] that Ghandi had set. I am wondering about my sons. I am wondering about how is it that we can pass on from one [[human being]] to another at least that [[positive]] [[truth]]. So it doesn't have to be re-learned, it doesn't have to be re-[[discovered]]. Why is that part of our [[society]]'s [[existence]] so [[difficult]].

Iruka: But it does have to be re-learned by each [[individual]]. Everyone is on their own [[path]]. Everyone must [[discover]] for themselves the [[truth]]. They are individuals and they walk their own [[path]]. They discover things in different ways, they learn things in [[different]] ways. It can't be passed on from one [[generation]] to the next. Each generation must discover it for themselves. Each individual has to discover it for themselves because each [[individual]] is [[unique]]. Each individual understands things in their own way, they put their own [[meanings]], their own [[values]] on these things. It is very, very individualized. That is why many times I cannot answer a specific question for you because you have to [[discover]] it with [[the Father]]. That is your own uniqueness. If I told you how I [[discovered]] it, it would mean nothing to you because we are different. You can teach your [[children]], you can raise them in a loving [[environment]], you can provide the materials, you can provide an [[atmosphere]] of [[growth]] and [[love]], but it is really up to them to take that and learn. You can only [[surround]] them with a [[safe]] place and with a learning material. They must go on from there. Does this answer?

Iruka: But it does have to be re-learned by each [[individual]]. Everyone is on their own [[path]]. Everyone must [[discover]] for themselves the [[truth]]. They are individuals and they walk their own [[path]]. They discover things in different ways, they learn things in [[different]] ways. It can't be passed on from one [[generation]] to the next. Each generation must discover it for themselves. Each individual has to discover it for themselves because each [[individual]] is [[unique]]. Each individual understands things in their own way, they put their own [[meanings]], their own [[values]] on these things. It is very, very individualized. That is why many times I cannot answer a specific question for you because you have to [[discover]] it with [[the Father]]. That is your own uniqueness. If I told you how I [[discovered]] it, it would mean nothing to you because we are different. You can teach your [[children]], you can raise them in a loving [[environment]], you can provide the materials, you can provide an [[atmosphere]] of [[growth]] and [[love]], but it is really up to them to take that and learn. You can only [[surround]] them with a [[safe]] place and with a learning material. They must go on from there. Does this answer?