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At the same time we need to continue our [[discussions]] on [[perspectives]] and on [[judgements]]. And tonight I would add to the mix the idea of the immensity of the [[free will]] gift, as well as the [[complexity]] of the massive [[universes]] and how it is quite simple to turn this complexity into a basic and [[simple]] [[truth]].

At the same time we need to continue our [[discussions]] on [[perspectives]] and on [[judgements]]. And tonight I would add to the mix the idea of the immensity of the [[free will]] gift, as well as the [[complexity]] of the massive [[universes]] and how it is quite simple to turn this complexity into a basic and [[simple]] [[truth]].

But, however, leaving time for [[spontaneity]] this evening, in a somewhat [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_consciousness_%28psychology%29 stream of consciousness] session with you and give you also the [[opportunity]] to [[speak]] and [[interact]].

But, however, leaving time for [[spontaneity]] this evening, in a somewhat [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_consciousness_%28psychology%29 stream of consciousness] session with you and give you also the [[opportunity]] to [[speak]] and [[interact]].

In the course of the evening, as well, I have asked the teachers each to give you a [[summer]] project -- an [[assignment]] which is, of course, [[voluntary]] but which we hope will [[accelerate]] your [[growth]]. I must say quite frankly that although you hear the [[words]], as do all humans, there is often no effective [[response]] for living on these [[exercises]] or [[ideals]].

In the course of the evening, as well, I have asked the teachers each to give you a [[summer]] project -- an [[assignment]] which is, of course, [[voluntary]] but which we hope will [[accelerate]] your [[growth]]. I must say quite frankly that although you hear the [[words]], as do all humans, there is often no effective [[response]] for living on these [[exercises]] or [[ideals]].

And so this gift is quite immense. It is yours. For all your [[life]] and through the [[ascension plan]]. And is it not true that we on our side will have the same free will? We each would have our own [[personality]]. We each would have our own [[mind]].

And so this gift is quite immense. It is yours. For all your [[life]] and through the [[ascension plan]]. And is it not true that we on our side will have the same free will? We each would have our own [[personality]]. We each would have our own [[mind]].

Why would you [[feel]] that we were different? And why would you feel that your teachers are [[infallible]]? ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascended_masters Ascended masters]''. Some have indeed felt us unworthy to teach, for they [[feel]] that they have [[progressed]] far in their [[studies]] and would prefer to study under ascendant masters, that we might be termed as graduate instructors. This is fine, for these are indeed [[free will]] choices. Each will make their own choice and follow their own [[path]]. This is well and good.

Why would you [[feel]] that we were different? And why would you feel that your teachers are [[infallible]]? ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascended_masters Ascended masters]''. Some have indeed felt us unworthy to teach, for they [[feel]] that they have [[progressed]] far in their [[studies]] and would prefer to study under ascendant masters, that we might be termed as graduate instructors. This is fine, for these are indeed [[free will]] choices. Each will make their own choice and follow their own [[path]]. This is well and good.

But I say to you that there is much in common on both sides. And we have made [[decisions]] involving this [[Teaching Mission]] and the [[Correcting Time]] to the best of our [[collective]] [[knowledge]]. Some have been proven correct and fruitful, and some have been less than [[desired]].

But I say to you that there is much in common on both sides. And we have made [[decisions]] involving this [[Teaching Mission]] and the [[Correcting Time]] to the best of our [[collective]] [[knowledge]]. Some have been proven correct and fruitful, and some have been less than [[desired]].

It is quite a complex issue of whether to let [[God]] into your [[institutions]], and I say to you that proliferating [[dogma]], [[competitions]] between churches and the [[abuses]] of church power have instigated the [[separation]]. But I say to you that the [[spirituality]] must be restored to your framework, to your [[institutions]]. This is the only way,in this spiritual dimension, that we will see major [[progress]].

It is quite a complex issue of whether to let [[God]] into your [[institutions]], and I say to you that proliferating [[dogma]], [[competitions]] between churches and the [[abuses]] of church power have instigated the [[separation]]. But I say to you that the [[spirituality]] must be restored to your framework, to your [[institutions]]. This is the only way,in this spiritual dimension, that we will see major [[progress]].

The idea of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state separation of church and state] is based on strong reasoning, but it is time to move beyond this, to come to grips with the [[validity]] or invalidity of this [[separation]], and how to deal with this issue in contemporary life. Would someone care to make a comment on their [[understanding]] of secularism?

The idea of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state separation of church and state] is based on strong reasoning, but it is time to move beyond this, to come to grips with the [[validity]] or invalidity of this [[separation]], and how to deal with this issue in contemporary life. Would someone care to make a comment on their [[understanding]] of secularism?

Group: I come from a [[teaching]] [[background]] and there has been a lot of [[commentary]] over the years about a term called '[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism secular humanism]' and I guess my [[understanding]] of that term comes out of that background. And it has been turned in a sort of way that has represented an [[evil]] [[influence]] in a sense where people who claim to be in the [[mainstream]] of [[Christianity]] say that because [[education]] tries to reach the [[individuality]] of people and tries to teach them in a way that is most receptive to them that education itself has turned away from [[God]]. So [[secularism]] in that sense is not a very [[spiritual]] term. Can you set my [[thinking]] more right with where you are going with this, based on my experience?

Group: I come from a [[teaching]] [[background]] and there has been a lot of [[commentary]] over the years about a term called '[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism secular humanism]' and I guess my [[understanding]] of that term comes out of that background. And it has been turned in a sort of way that has represented an [[evil]] [[influence]] in a sense where people who claim to be in the [[mainstream]] of [[Christianity]] say that because [[education]] tries to reach the [[individuality]] of people and tries to teach them in a way that is most receptive to them that education itself has turned away from [[God]]. So [[secularism]] in that sense is not a very [[spiritual]] term. Can you set my [[thinking]] more right with where you are going with this, based on my experience?

Tarkas: Where I'm going is to ask each of you to read the [[195:8|Urantia Book on this subject]] so that we may discuss it further. This is my homework assignment.

Tarkas: Where I'm going is to ask each of you to read the [[195:8|Urantia Book on this subject]] so that we may discuss it further. This is my homework assignment.

So how will you, in the years ahead, bring [[spirituality]] and the great [[values]] of spirituality into your lives and [[institutions]] while holding the [[churches]] and their various [[competing]] [[dogma]] at arm's length. These are quite deep [[questions]] for which we will not be able to come to satisfying [[conclusions]] tonight.

So how will you, in the years ahead, bring [[spirituality]] and the great [[values]] of spirituality into your lives and [[institutions]] while holding the [[churches]] and their various [[competing]] [[dogma]] at arm's length. These are quite deep [[questions]] for which we will not be able to come to satisfying [[conclusions]] tonight.

But I ask that since [[secularism]] is said in The [[Urantia Book]] to be a quite serous [[problem]] for all [[mankind]] that you consider why this was said, and to consider whether this is still a valid concern more so or less so in these times [[compared]] to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934 years in which the Urantia Book was indited]. Perhaps we will have an invigorating [[discussion]] on this at a [[future]] date.

But I ask that since [[secularism]] is said in The [[Urantia Book]] to be a quite serous [[problem]] for all [[mankind]] that you consider why this was said, and to consider whether this is still a valid concern more so or less so in these times [[compared]] to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934 years in which the Urantia Book was indited]. Perhaps we will have an invigorating [[discussion]] on this at a [[future]] date.

And now I think you have had an assignment from several of [[the teachers]] and I wish you well on these.

And now I think you have had an assignment from several of [[the teachers]] and I wish you well on these.

===='''''[[Health]]''''', '''''[[Ecology]]'''''====

===='''''[[Health]]''''', '''''[[Ecology]]'''''====

Group: I get these [[impressions]], I've been led to [[investigate]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_essences flower essences] and the only thing that I could find are the Bach flower remedies and I was going to bring the brochure for you but then I [[thought]], that's pretty stupid because you've probably already read it or you can read it at [[home]], and if you’re so inclined it's on my desk on the right hand side. I'm [[wondering]] if you could comment on the validity of this Bach flower homeopathy, or should I continue to search?"

Group: I get these [[impressions]], I've been led to [[investigate]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_essences flower essences] and the only thing that I could find are the Bach flower remedies and I was going to bring the brochure for you but then I [[thought]], that's pretty stupid because you've probably already read it or you can read it at [[home]], and if you’re so inclined it's on my desk on the right hand side. I'm [[wondering]] if you could comment on the validity of this Bach flower homeopathy, or should I continue to search?"

Tarkas: I'm advised that I can comment on Dr. Bach, who was a remarkable [[scientist]] who was able to develop this field of [[medicine]] to some [[degree]].

Tarkas: I'm advised that I can comment on Dr. Bach, who was a remarkable [[scientist]] who was able to develop this field of [[medicine]] to some [[degree]].

This is the dark side of the [[Correcting Time]], but the breakthrough, a new flowering, a new [[birth]] of this golden age will be quite an [[exciting]] time. All eyes look to [[Urantia]] especially.

This is the dark side of the [[Correcting Time]], but the breakthrough, a new flowering, a new [[birth]] of this golden age will be quite an [[exciting]] time. All eyes look to [[Urantia]] especially.

Group: " Then the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_essences Bach flower remedies]. Is this valid?"

Group: " Then the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_essences Bach flower remedies]. Is this valid?"

Tarkas: There are [[healing]] properties in these flowers, these [[essences]] that can be valuable to you. I would recommend [[exploration]] of this form of [[medicine]] and all forms of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicin alternative medicine]. But may I interject here another point which I would make as we come to a close this evening. The [[Correcting Time]] and the [[Teaching Mission]] as we see it is quite long and is quite vast in its [[ambition]].

Tarkas: There are [[healing]] properties in these flowers, these [[essences]] that can be valuable to you. I would recommend [[exploration]] of this form of [[medicine]] and all forms of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicin alternative medicine]. But may I interject here another point which I would make as we come to a close this evening. The [[Correcting Time]] and the [[Teaching Mission]] as we see it is quite long and is quite vast in its [[ambition]].

===='''''[[Bible|Scripture]]''''', '''''[[New Age]]'''''====

===='''''[[Bible|Scripture]]''''', '''''[[New Age]]'''''====

You must overcome a great [[resistance]] on the one hand from those who would [[venerate]] [[ancient]] [[texts]] which they would consider to be all-[[wise]] and valid. [[Ancient]] knowledge is not necessarily [[good]] [[knowledge]]. There is no need to [[venerate]] [[scriptures]] and [[words]] which have been [[polluted]] by the [[politics]] of [[generations]] before. Unspiritually inspired [[fears]] are also [[politically]] [[inspired]].

You must overcome a great [[resistance]] on the one hand from those who would [[venerate]] [[ancient]] [[texts]] which they would consider to be all-[[wise]] and valid. [[Ancient]] knowledge is not necessarily [[good]] [[knowledge]]. There is no need to [[venerate]] [[scriptures]] and [[words]] which have been [[polluted]] by the [[politics]] of [[generations]] before. Unspiritually inspired [[fears]] are also [[politically]] [[inspired]].

You have learned not to [[embrace]] fully the teachings of even [http://www.paulistpress.com/bookSearch.cgi?page=series_westernspirit great spiritual books] which have [[error]], at the same time [[learning]] to [[respect]] those works for what they do contain, which is a great amount of [[spiritual]] [[information]].

You have learned not to [[embrace]] fully the teachings of even [https://www.paulistpress.com/bookSearch.cgi?page=series_westernspirit great spiritual books] which have [[error]], at the same time [[learning]] to [[respect]] those works for what they do contain, which is a great amount of [[spiritual]] [[information]].

As [[159:4 The Talk With Nathaniel|Jesus once answered Nathaniel's questions on scripture]] by [[explaining]] that he picked those [[scriptures]] which he could embrace fully, and taught quite positively in those, while [[quietly]] [[disdaining]] the others. You must do likewise with what you read today, whether [[ancient]] or whether new.

As [[159:4 The Talk With Nathaniel|Jesus once answered Nathaniel's questions on scripture]] by [[explaining]] that he picked those [[scriptures]] which he could embrace fully, and taught quite positively in those, while [[quietly]] [[disdaining]] the others. You must do likewise with what you read today, whether [[ancient]] or whether new.

This is not a threat to the [[churches]]. This is not a threat to those who would make [[money]] on helping you develop your [[spiritual]] [[essences]]. These enterprises can be well and good. I say to you that as each of you [[individually]] is able to make [[contact]], meaningful contact with your higher selves, with the [[morontia teachers]]. You long for this [[contact]], this [[interaction]], and to speak with God daily. These things are no threats to [[institutions]] for we feel that the [[churches]] would [[literally]] be overflowing with [[souls]] anxious to participate in their activities should they take an [[open-minded]], [[heart]]-felt stance in [[accepting]] t these people into the church. When you realize that it is not [[necessary]], as most humans think, to take a side and choose up and fight, rather to [[stress]] commonalities. [[Churches]] and channelers and [[new age]] metaphysicists can all [[work]] [[together]], and when you are all working together, though ‟[[planetary]] wide” seems incomprehensible to you at this stage, then the world will be ready for [[Christ]]’s [[triumphant]] [[second coming]].

This is not a threat to the [[churches]]. This is not a threat to those who would make [[money]] on helping you develop your [[spiritual]] [[essences]]. These enterprises can be well and good. I say to you that as each of you [[individually]] is able to make [[contact]], meaningful contact with your higher selves, with the [[morontia teachers]]. You long for this [[contact]], this [[interaction]], and to speak with God daily. These things are no threats to [[institutions]] for we feel that the [[churches]] would [[literally]] be overflowing with [[souls]] anxious to participate in their activities should they take an [[open-minded]], [[heart]]-felt stance in [[accepting]] t these people into the church. When you realize that it is not [[necessary]], as most humans think, to take a side and choose up and fight, rather to [[stress]] commonalities. [[Churches]] and channelers and [[new age]] metaphysicists can all [[work]] [[together]], and when you are all working together, though ‟[[planetary]] wide” seems incomprehensible to you at this stage, then the world will be ready for [[Christ]]’s [[triumphant]] [[second coming]].

===='''''[[Melchizedeks]]''''', '''''[[Materialization]]'''''====

===='''''[[Melchizedeks]]''''', '''''[[Materialization]]'''''====

Group: (Question from [http://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Rayson Rayson transcripts] about whether there are two [[Melchizedeks]] here, and whether this is in the flesh, human form, or in spirit?

Group: (Question from [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Rayson Rayson transcripts] about whether there are two [[Melchizedeks]] here, and whether this is in the flesh, human form, or in spirit?

Tarkas: The [[Melchizedeks]] are not here in [[human]] form, and have not been in that form, however their [[spiritual]] [[presence]] is quite [[strong]]. There is some misunderstanding about what [[presence]] means. Sometimes those of [[material]] means think that it is a [[physical]] presence, and yet our presence can be much different. It can be, in [[fact]], much more [[encompassing]]. For example, the presence of Christ [[Michael]] can be all-pervasive and encompassing, what might be referred to as a Christ consciousness, for indeed, He is capable of [[manifesting]] his presence in many places at the [[same time]]. And so ‟[[presence]]” can have a somewhat broader [[meaning]] than just in a [[material]] sense.

Tarkas: The [[Melchizedeks]] are not here in [[human]] form, and have not been in that form, however their [[spiritual]] [[presence]] is quite [[strong]]. There is some misunderstanding about what [[presence]] means. Sometimes those of [[material]] means think that it is a [[physical]] presence, and yet our presence can be much different. It can be, in [[fact]], much more [[encompassing]]. For example, the presence of Christ [[Michael]] can be all-pervasive and encompassing, what might be referred to as a Christ consciousness, for indeed, He is capable of [[manifesting]] his presence in many places at the [[same time]]. And so ‟[[presence]]” can have a somewhat broader [[meaning]] than just in a [[material]] sense.