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===Dialogue===
 
===Dialogue===
Bill: "Good evening Daniel and Tomas, this is Bill. I have with me a friend, Gary Worrell, who I would like to introduce to you at this time. Gary is spending the weekend with us. We are very happy to have him with us and also to meet you. Thank you."
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Isaac:   Good evening, Daniel and Tomas, this is Isaac. I have with me a friend, G.W., who I would like to introduce to you at this time. G.W. is spending the weekend with us. We are very happy to have him with us and also to meet you. Thank you.
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DANIEL:  Indeed, G.W, are we most pleased to have your presence with us today. The ability to see and realize that learning, growing, understanding, and becoming is part of the physical realm and also part of the spiritual and infinite realm, as you have been in knowledge of, that growth does not ever reach total completion but rather is there always more to be gleaned, more to bring forth from various and different levels, and your willingness to explore and allow new beginnings to take place is evident in your present life. Indeed, retiring from one job and looking forward to something greater is a time of personal searching and growth on the material level. It can also be a great time for spiritual upliftment and revelation. Continue to be open to all possibilities and to greater knowledge. Welcome my friend.
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Daniel: "Indeed, Gary, are we most pleased to have your presence with us today. The ability to see and realize that learning, growing, understanding, and becoming is part of the physical realm and also part of the spiritual and infinite realm, as you have been in knowledge of, that growth does not ever reach total completion but rather is there always more to be gleaned, more to bring forth from various and different levels, and your willingness to explore and allow new beginnings to take place is evident in your present life. Indeed, retiring from one job and looking forward to something greater is a time of personal searching and growth on the material level. It can also be a great time for spiritual upliftment and revelation. Continue to be open to all possibilities and to greater knowledge. Welcome my friend."
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PamElla:  Daniel and Tomas, I have no questions. I just wanted to tell you, particularly Tomas, how moving I found tonight's addresses, and to take this opportunity to thank the two of you and all of the personal teachers and all of the help, including Christ Michael, for the enormous help and progress. I really related, Tomas, to your analogy of a chicken breaking out of the egg. Thank you for that analogy.  
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Nancy: "Daniel and Tomas, I have no questions. I just wanted to tell you, particularly Tomas, how moving I found tonight's addresses, and to take this opportunity to thank the two of you and all of the personal teachers and all of the help, including Christ Michael, for the enormous help and progress. I really related, Tomas, to your analogy of a chicken breaking out of the egg. Thank you for that analogy."
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TOMAS: Of course you are welcome. It is one of the simpler analogies but one which is easily appreciated.
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Tomas: "Of course you are welcome. It is one of the simpler analogies but one which is easily appreciated."
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Leetah:  Good evening, Daniel and Tomas. I sat here tonight listening and I had double thoughts going on in my mind, almost a paradox of feelings and ideas in the sense that there were a lot of words used by both of you tonight that I haven't heard you use that were kind of 'red flags' to me: 'rebirth', for one, even though it is a very good word when I analyze it and 'born again' was the other. And I appreciate very much both of you referring to the fact that it is to be a new beginning at any point and that it is an alignment with the Spirit. My question is this. 'If, indeed, it is alignment with the Spirit and of hatching from the egg is a symbol, that is somewhat full of anguish and pain, what would you say the shell was in our life? Or am I carrying this too far. Would you like to speak on that?
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Virginia: "Good evening Daniel and Tomas. I sat here tonight listening and I had double thoughts going on in my mind, almost a paradox of feelings and ideas in the sense that there were a lot of words used by both of you tonight that I haven't heard you use that were kind of 'red flags' to me: 'rebirth', for one, even though it is a very good word when I analyze it and 'born again' was the other. And I appreciate very much both of you referring to the fact that it is to be a new beginning at any point and that it is an alignment with the Spirit. My question is this. 'If, indeed, it is alignment with the Spirit and if hatching from the egg is a symbol, that is somewhat full of anguish and pain, what would you say the shell was in our life? Or am I carrying this too far. Would you like to speak on that?"
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TOMAS: The shell is the constraints of any given perception of reality. And once you have outgrown your current reality, your appreciation for where you are now and have reached a point of attainment in spiritual growth which pushes forward into yet a new and greater reality, therein is the eggshell, the continuing evolutionary progressive experience of ascension and rebirth into newer and greater comprehension of the One True Living Reality.  
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Tomas: "The shell is the constraints of any given perception of reality. And once you have outgrown your current reality, your appreciation for where you are now and have reached a point of attainment in spiritual growth which pushes forward into yet a new and greater reality, therein is the eggshell, the continuing evolutionary progressive experience of ascension and rebirth into newer and greater comprehension of the One True Living Reality."
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DANIEL:  Do not misconstrue Tomas' words to mean, however, that the shell has served no purpose, for it is that from which we spring forth from one level to another that has brought us to that point. The experiences of yesterday have molded you into the person of today.  
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Daniel: "Do not misconstrue Tomas' words to mean, however, that the shell has served no purpose, for it is that from which we spring forth from one level to another that has brought us to that point. The experiences of yesterday have molded you into the person of today."
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Leetah: Thank you very much, both of you. That was very well answered and it did fit exactly into that which would be a continual rebirthing process. And to follow up with a bit of lightening up... I couldn't help but visualize me and everyone else as a little featherless fowl that needs help! (laughing)
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Virginia: "Thank you very much, both of you. That was very well answered and it did fit exactly into that which would be a continual rebirthing process. And to follow up with a bit of lightening up... I couldn't help but visualize me and everyone else as a little featherless fowl that needs help!"(laughing)
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DANIEL: Even the featherless fowl has a soft coating of fluff which is found to be adorable and is the covering that protects, immunizes, if you will in a new analogy, the new entity at this time of new awakening. The process of great growth spurts is often cushioned by a plateau of rest and quiet. The fluff on the fowl is that which will then be replaced by the experiences that unfold as this new life proceeds minute by minute.
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Daniel: "Even the featherless fowl has a soft coating of fluff which is found to be adorable and is the covering that protects, immunizes, if you will in a new analogy, the new entity at this time of new awakening. The process of great growth spurts is often cushioned by a plateau of rest and quiet. The fluff on the fowl is that which will then be replaced by the experiences that unfold as this new life proceeds minute by minute.
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The nature of new beginnings is not seen as ugly or undesirable by the First Source and Center and the Mother and Father of this local universe. Rather it is seen as an entity of beauty capable of great potential.  
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The nature of new beginnings is not seen as ugly or undesirable by the First Source and Center and the Mother and Father of this local universe. Rather it is seen as an entity of beauty capable of great potential."
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Leetah:  Thank you very much for that answer too, Daniel. In a different direction now I did write down a thought. I wondered if the resurrection of Christ Michael on this planet really is the basis for the new year as far as our local universe is concerned? I know it is a curiosity question but the resurrection certainly means a great deal to all of us.  
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Virginia: "Thank you very much for that answer too, Daniel. In a different direction now I did write down a thought. I wondered if the resurrection of Christ Michael on this planet really is the basis for the new year as far as our local universe is concerned? I know it is a curiosity question but the resurrection certainly means a great deal to all of us."
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DANIEL: This question is immaterial. However in your conception the newness and new beginning must be realized in the Fifth Epochal Revelation as bringing forth the concepts that Christ Michael brought to this planet. The new awareness should not be from the old concept of a religion about Jesus of Nazareth but rather that it should be a religion about the principles that were brought forth during His stay, His bestowal upon Urantia. Truly in that reference, then, is this the new beginning, the new year, a new time. Henceforth you have been called upon to bring forth this revelation concerning your universal citizenship, your Urantian brotherhood and sisterhood, the love of the Father, the mercy of the Son.  
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Daniel: "This question is immaterial. However in your conception the newness and new beginning must be realized in the Fifth Epochal Revelation as bringing forth the concepts that Christ Michael brought to this planet. The new awareness should not be from the old concept of a religion about Jesus of Nazareth but rather that it should be a religion about the principles that were brought forth during His stay, His bestowal upon Urantia. Truly in that reference, then, is this the new beginning, the new year, a new time. Henceforth you have been called upon to bring forth this revelation concerning your universal citizenship, your Urantian brotherhood and sisterhood, the love of the Father, the mercy of the Son."
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Leetah: Thank you.  
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Virginia: "Thank you."
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Isaac: This is Isaac speaking again. As you were discussing new birth with Leetah or else in the lesson, I'm not sure which, my mind was thinking of the word you used, 'ascension'. That is what triggered these thoughts, that it appears that there is a series of major periods in the ascension career where there would almost seem to be new birth occurring as contrasted with the idea of every moment being a chance for new birth, new experience, and new growth. And I am thinking particularly of the morontia career with the keying of the morontia form to higher and more spiritual levels, transition to Spirit status, and then transition to Havona residency and finally the transition to Paradise. All of these thoughts came to me. I decided to share. Thank you.  
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Bill: "This is Bill speaking again. As you were discussing new birth with Virginia or else in the lesson, I'm not sure which, my mind was thinking of the word you used, 'ascension'. That is what triggered these thoughts..that it appears that there is a series of major periods in the ascension career where there would almost seem to be new birth occurring as contrasted with the idea of every moment being a chance for new birth, new experience, and new growth. And I am thinking particularly of the morontia career with the keying of the morontia form to higher and more spiritual levels, transition to Spirit status, and then transition to Havona residency and finally the transition to Paradise. All of these thoughts came to me. I decided to share. Thank you."
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DANIEL: Indeed is the understanding viewed both as a microcosm of moment by moment to the macrocosm of infinity future destiny and that which awaits you in Paradise and beyond. Each aspect is certainly a time of renewal, of growth, of greater enlightenment, of progress.  
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Daniel: "Indeed is the understanding viewed both as a microcosm of moment by moment to the macrocosm of infinity future destiny and that which awaits you in Paradise and beyond. Each aspect is certainly a time of renewal, of growth, of greater enlightenment, of progress."
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TOMAS: Make no mistake, however, that rebirth, which you have been called to experience, is real. It is of the Spirit. There are many new awakenings which occur to the ascendant being: emotional, mental, philosophical, self revelatory, and etc.; but the initial rebirth of the individual who delivers himself/herself to God for eternal keeping is now dependent upon the reality of its Parent and the Parent breathes into the child the knowledge of Its reality. This shimmering reality impresses the soul forever more and it is in this experience that one knows that he knows.  
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Tomas: "Make no mistake, however, that rebirth, which you have been called to experience, is real. It is of the Spirit. There are many new awakenings which occur to the ascendent being: emotional, mental, philosophical, self revelatory, and etc.; but the initial rebirth of the individual who delivers himself/herself to God for eternal keeping is now dependent upon the reality of its Parent and the Parent breathes into the child the knowledge of Its reality. This shimmering reality impresses the soul forever more and it is in this experience that one knows that he knows."
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Isaac: I am glad that you added to that, Tomas, because I also was afraid my remarks left the impression that I merely thought that new birth was synonymous with progress and growth. Let me see if I understand what you are saying. Would new birth be that moment when a person becomes aware of a personal caring God that he or she then turns their life over to, in a sense. It is like that first initial moment of betrothal with their Divine Indwelling Adjuster? Is that correct or close?
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Bill: "I am glad that you added to that, Tomas, because I also was afraid my remarks left the impression that I merely thought that new birth was synonymous with progress and growth. Let me see if I understand what you are saying. Would new birth be that moment when a person becomes aware of a personal caring God that he or she then turns their life over to, in a sense. It is like that first initial moment of betrothal with their Divine Indwelling Adjuster? Is that correct or close?"
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TOMAS: Yes. It is a commitment to your Adjuster in so far as it is an acknowledgement that without your Adjuster you have no reality, you are dust without that eternal Fragment. Your immortality rests upon your yearning to merge with that which is Eternal. Yes.
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Tomas: Yes. It is a commitment to your Adjuster in so far as it is an acknowledgement that without your Adjuster you have no reality, you are dust without that eternal Fragment. Your immortality rests upon your yearning to merge with that which is Eternal. Yes."
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Isaac: Okay, thank you.  
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===Closing===
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DANIEL:  My friends, as we conclude this evening let me remind you of the admonition given by Christ Michael to 'fear not, be not afraid, have courage'. New awakenings call for courage and boldness. Be mindful, however, that new beginnings tempered with stillness, desire, and willingness will hold little or no fear for you. Go this week as courageous citizens awaiting the newness, the dawn of the moments. Tomas and I send you our love. We have a visitor that will conclude this evening.  
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Bill: "Okay, thank you."
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ABRAHAM: I am Abraham. I have asked to address you this evening because of the nature of this lesson. As a mortal from Urantia, as one of this planetary ancestry I know from where I speak that in my moments on this plane there were many instances where a voice in the desert was heard, a beckoning to follow. There stirred within my bosom an emotional and fearful outburst. Within my mind there was resistance. Within my body there was a clamoring, yet an avoidance. However, as you have come to know, the still small voice of the Indwelling Spirit does move and calm all of those fears to he, to she, that is willing. And so to you my brothers and sisters in cosmic citizenship and in Urantia brotherhood and sisterhood, I say to you to hear within these hostile, frightening, clamorings the words 'Fear not. You are not alone. You are supported'.  Gather strength from within. Shalom.
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Group:  Good evening.
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Daniel: "My friends, as we conclude this evening let me remind you of the admonition given by Christ Michael to 'fear not, be not afraid, have courage'. New awakenings call for courage and boldness. Be mindful, however, that new beginnings tempered with stillness, desire, and willingness will hold little or no fear for you. Go this week as courageous citizens awaiting the newness, the dawn of the moments. Tomas and I send you our love. We have a visitor that will conclude this evening."
   
===Closing===
 
===Closing===
 
Abraham: "I am Abraham. I have asked to address you this evening because of the nature of this lesson. As a mortal from Urantia, as one of this planetary ancestry I know from where I speak that in my moments on this plane there were many instances where a voice in the desert was heard, a beckoning to follow. There stirred within my bosom an emotional and fearful outburst. Within my mind there was resistance. Within my body there was a clamoring, yet an avoidance.
 
Abraham: "I am Abraham. I have asked to address you this evening because of the nature of this lesson. As a mortal from Urantia, as one of this planetary ancestry I know from where I speak that in my moments on this plane there were many instances where a voice in the desert was heard, a beckoning to follow. There stirred within my bosom an emotional and fearful outburst. Within my mind there was resistance. Within my body there was a clamoring, yet an avoidance.

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