Changes

From Nordan Symposia
Jump to navigationJump to search
m
Text replacement - "http://" to "https://"
Line 24: Line 24:  
Yes, there is the constant and coveted [[relationship]] between you and your [[Indwelling God Fragment]]. The relationship which you are developing with your [[soul]] is [[paramount]] and will sustain you. But the visible [[evidence]] of your true [[family]], the truths which you have learned, the [[miracles]] which you have seen, the extraordinary [[events]] which you have [[witnessed]], the [[healings]] which you have experienced as a result of your [[association]] with other believers puts your [[personality]] into relationship mode with other beings and this ultimately will [[alter]] the face of [[Urantia]], will change the ways of this world from [[dark]] to [[light]], from [[segregation]] to reunion and from [[isolation]] to [[community]].
 
Yes, there is the constant and coveted [[relationship]] between you and your [[Indwelling God Fragment]]. The relationship which you are developing with your [[soul]] is [[paramount]] and will sustain you. But the visible [[evidence]] of your true [[family]], the truths which you have learned, the [[miracles]] which you have seen, the extraordinary [[events]] which you have [[witnessed]], the [[healings]] which you have experienced as a result of your [[association]] with other believers puts your [[personality]] into relationship mode with other beings and this ultimately will [[alter]] the face of [[Urantia]], will change the ways of this world from [[dark]] to [[light]], from [[segregation]] to reunion and from [[isolation]] to [[community]].
   −
My [[friends]], I am inclined to remark that in this lesson this evening I have not brought any [[revelation]] that has not been presented before by and through [[the teachers]] or your own [[mind]]. But on occasion it is well to reiterate those basic [[truths]] and [[values]] which uphold you, [[encourage]] you and lend visible credibility to our forum here in this [[community]] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocatello,_Idaho Pocatello] and environs. Yes, long ago it was said that [[Correcting Time]] is connecting time and you are connecting with one another in new and [[magnificent]] ways. This interworking is clearly upstepped spiritual [[circuitry]] and your [[dedication]] to attaining these hungers of the [[heart]] are what make us so proud to be here and to be regarded as your teachers. We are truly your [[friends]] with perhaps more [[experience]], but our goal remains the same. As our younger [[brothers and sisters]], Tomas and I are truly fortunate. It is with delight now that we open the floor for [[discourse]] or [[questions]]."
+
My [[friends]], I am inclined to remark that in this lesson this evening I have not brought any [[revelation]] that has not been presented before by and through [[the teachers]] or your own [[mind]]. But on occasion it is well to reiterate those basic [[truths]] and [[values]] which uphold you, [[encourage]] you and lend visible credibility to our forum here in this [[community]] in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocatello,_Idaho Pocatello] and environs. Yes, long ago it was said that [[Correcting Time]] is connecting time and you are connecting with one another in new and [[magnificent]] ways. This interworking is clearly upstepped spiritual [[circuitry]] and your [[dedication]] to attaining these hungers of the [[heart]] are what make us so proud to be here and to be regarded as your teachers. We are truly your [[friends]] with perhaps more [[experience]], but our goal remains the same. As our younger [[brothers and sisters]], Tomas and I are truly fortunate. It is with delight now that we open the floor for [[discourse]] or [[questions]]."
 
===Dialogue===
 
===Dialogue===
 
Rutha: "Daniel, I have kind of a [[question]]. I [[appreciate]] your talk on [[family]]. In our [[society]] it appears that the family is breaking down. We have a lot of [[problems]] with what is happening in this regard. Is there anything that we can do as [[individuals]] other than doing what we can in our own families to bridge gaps and make amends and to keep the lines of [[communication]] open, is there anything we can do to help society in general in strengthening [[family]] (and not just the political stuff of family [[values]] that we hear all the time), but to make the family like it should be in [[Light and Life]] where the spiritual [[values]] become part of it?"
 
Rutha: "Daniel, I have kind of a [[question]]. I [[appreciate]] your talk on [[family]]. In our [[society]] it appears that the family is breaking down. We have a lot of [[problems]] with what is happening in this regard. Is there anything that we can do as [[individuals]] other than doing what we can in our own families to bridge gaps and make amends and to keep the lines of [[communication]] open, is there anything we can do to help society in general in strengthening [[family]] (and not just the political stuff of family [[values]] that we hear all the time), but to make the family like it should be in [[Light and Life]] where the spiritual [[values]] become part of it?"
Line 46: Line 46:  
PamElla: "And the other thing I was going to say, Isaac, when you said Michael [[touched]] him is that this tape I have been [[listening]] to talks about the power of touch. She is talking about with teenage children and how we all need to be touched. Sometimes if you just touch a person it makes that [[connection]] and it soothes them down and things become reasonable. So that was interesting. I just now heard you, although I'm sure I have [[read]], but I just put those two things together. [[Fascinating]]. And the other thing is that Daniel said that in the situation we would need to pray about it and ask if there was anything that we could do in that situation. So I would think that we couldn't have a preset plan of any type but rather its the [[quiet time]] that we spend daily."
 
PamElla: "And the other thing I was going to say, Isaac, when you said Michael [[touched]] him is that this tape I have been [[listening]] to talks about the power of touch. She is talking about with teenage children and how we all need to be touched. Sometimes if you just touch a person it makes that [[connection]] and it soothes them down and things become reasonable. So that was interesting. I just now heard you, although I'm sure I have [[read]], but I just put those two things together. [[Fascinating]]. And the other thing is that Daniel said that in the situation we would need to pray about it and ask if there was anything that we could do in that situation. So I would think that we couldn't have a preset plan of any type but rather its the [[quiet time]] that we spend daily."
   −
Rutha: "I agree that we can't have a preset thing but I think you need to think about it in order to approach it so that when something like this comes up you aren't just speechless. Like we did in [http://www.transitionnetwork.org/tools/starting/transition-training Transition Training] we could have role playing where you would work it out so that you would have some sort of an [[idea]] of what kind of [[words]] to use."
+
Rutha: "I agree that we can't have a preset thing but I think you need to think about it in order to approach it so that when something like this comes up you aren't just speechless. Like we did in [https://www.transitionnetwork.org/tools/starting/transition-training Transition Training] we could have role playing where you would work it out so that you would have some sort of an [[idea]] of what kind of [[words]] to use."
    
Leetah: "I'm sitting here [[thinking]] in terms of what might be acceptable to the [[parent]]. I think it is the child that we see that is [[abused]]. The thought that came into my [[mind]] is if we could offer to watch the child while the parent goes ahead and does whatever he needs to do, she needs to do, that usually it is the child [[interfering]] with that program. But then the first [[thought]] that comes up to me is time! What about the deadlines that we set? Maybe we need to be less [[busy]] so that we have time to put on this cloak, not of [[divinity]], but of [[guidance]], maybe, where we could help in an [[abusive]] situation...I don't know??"
 
Leetah: "I'm sitting here [[thinking]] in terms of what might be acceptable to the [[parent]]. I think it is the child that we see that is [[abused]]. The thought that came into my [[mind]] is if we could offer to watch the child while the parent goes ahead and does whatever he needs to do, she needs to do, that usually it is the child [[interfering]] with that program. But then the first [[thought]] that comes up to me is time! What about the deadlines that we set? Maybe we need to be less [[busy]] so that we have time to put on this cloak, not of [[divinity]], but of [[guidance]], maybe, where we could help in an [[abusive]] situation...I don't know??"
Line 72: Line 72:  
Daniel: "I would be glad to daughter. I chose those [[words]], all humans, fully [[understanding]] that there were exceptions to the rule. And yet I present the plural for that is the best approach in your service [[ideals]]. Certainly there are those who are not indwelt, but in the main they are not ferocious killer animals but docile [[beings]]. This, too, is a question of [[discernment]]. For in your approach to your brothers and sisters it is best to err in believing that they are indwelt. Even if they present themselves as pitiful remember the adage that it is wise to be [[kind]] to dumb [[animals]]. In the instance of [[aggression]] even an aggressive 'killer animal' may be indwelt by a [[Thought Adjuster]]. And so the limited vantage point of your [[growth]] [[status]] best assumes the best, that all are indwelt. That way you are acting in good [[faith]] at all times. In time you may begin to perceive the [[presence]] or [[absence]] of [[Spirit]] so keenly that you will have no problem discerning in which human [[God]] is active and in which human God is vacant. This may or may not have to do with passive or aggressive [[social]] [[behavior]]. Have I addressed your point?"
 
Daniel: "I would be glad to daughter. I chose those [[words]], all humans, fully [[understanding]] that there were exceptions to the rule. And yet I present the plural for that is the best approach in your service [[ideals]]. Certainly there are those who are not indwelt, but in the main they are not ferocious killer animals but docile [[beings]]. This, too, is a question of [[discernment]]. For in your approach to your brothers and sisters it is best to err in believing that they are indwelt. Even if they present themselves as pitiful remember the adage that it is wise to be [[kind]] to dumb [[animals]]. In the instance of [[aggression]] even an aggressive 'killer animal' may be indwelt by a [[Thought Adjuster]]. And so the limited vantage point of your [[growth]] [[status]] best assumes the best, that all are indwelt. That way you are acting in good [[faith]] at all times. In time you may begin to perceive the [[presence]] or [[absence]] of [[Spirit]] so keenly that you will have no problem discerning in which human [[God]] is active and in which human God is vacant. This may or may not have to do with passive or aggressive [[social]] [[behavior]]. Have I addressed your point?"
   −
PamElla: "Yes, Daniel. Here is an additional [[problem]] for me. My [[background]], as you know, prior to the [[Urantia Book]] was coming from a more [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States Native American] approach. That is the stuff that I have been [[reading]] in which case all [[life]] is precious and you don't take a [[plant]] without asking first and showing [[gratitude]]. And the same with [[animal]] life. And so I still hold dearly to that [[point of view]] of life. I guess I really don't like the distinction made between whether there is a [[Thought Adjuster]] present or not only because I know there is not a Thought Adjuster present in [[animals]] and [[plants]] or in our environment that we are killing off but we are all part of the [[I AM]]. I wonder why this distinction is made about whether a Thought Adjuster is present or not? And I am [[wondering]] what is appropriate behavior toward animals and plants if it is not to treat them with the same [[love]] and [[respect]] that we would indwelt [[human being]]s?"
+
PamElla: "Yes, Daniel. Here is an additional [[problem]] for me. My [[background]], as you know, prior to the [[Urantia Book]] was coming from a more [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States Native American] approach. That is the stuff that I have been [[reading]] in which case all [[life]] is precious and you don't take a [[plant]] without asking first and showing [[gratitude]]. And the same with [[animal]] life. And so I still hold dearly to that [[point of view]] of life. I guess I really don't like the distinction made between whether there is a [[Thought Adjuster]] present or not only because I know there is not a Thought Adjuster present in [[animals]] and [[plants]] or in our environment that we are killing off but we are all part of the [[I AM]]. I wonder why this distinction is made about whether a Thought Adjuster is present or not? And I am [[wondering]] what is appropriate behavior toward animals and plants if it is not to treat them with the same [[love]] and [[respect]] that we would indwelt [[human being]]s?"
    
Daniel: "You are certainly correct that it is best to treat all [[creation]] with [[respect]]. And I know you [[understand]] that there is a [[difference]] between the [[physical]] realms and the [[spiritual]] realms and that whether or not an [[individual]] is indwelt by God should have be no deciding factor in your regard for and [[appreciation]] of that life as it is presented. The only differentiation I make in referencing the individual who is indwelt and is active, or for that matter, dormant is in terms of [[potential]]. Otherwise [[mortals]], [[animals]], [[Plants|flora]], all are part of the [[physical]] kingdom, all are in [[balance]] and depending upon the [[individual]] [[attitude]], all is [[sacred]]. The [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Epoch_1 concept of the Great Spirit] has sustained people for a long time and even today it is regarded as a refreshing, [[simple]] and pure approach to life on a troubled planet. I would take no exception to that [[background]] which you bring. Are you troubled?"
 
Daniel: "You are certainly correct that it is best to treat all [[creation]] with [[respect]]. And I know you [[understand]] that there is a [[difference]] between the [[physical]] realms and the [[spiritual]] realms and that whether or not an [[individual]] is indwelt by God should have be no deciding factor in your regard for and [[appreciation]] of that life as it is presented. The only differentiation I make in referencing the individual who is indwelt and is active, or for that matter, dormant is in terms of [[potential]]. Otherwise [[mortals]], [[animals]], [[Plants|flora]], all are part of the [[physical]] kingdom, all are in [[balance]] and depending upon the [[individual]] [[attitude]], all is [[sacred]]. The [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Epoch_1 concept of the Great Spirit] has sustained people for a long time and even today it is regarded as a refreshing, [[simple]] and pure approach to life on a troubled planet. I would take no exception to that [[background]] which you bring. Are you troubled?"
Line 80: Line 80:  
Daniel: "Yes. And what you have [[shared]] with me or what I am [[perceiving]] is that much of your [[service]] [[motive]] is directed toward the [[pain]] and abuse of Mother [[Earth]]. Your approach to counting the cost may have to do with generating your creative service energies on [[environmental]] matters or [[ecological]] matters more than the social ills of the various [[cultural]] structures."
 
Daniel: "Yes. And what you have [[shared]] with me or what I am [[perceiving]] is that much of your [[service]] [[motive]] is directed toward the [[pain]] and abuse of Mother [[Earth]]. Your approach to counting the cost may have to do with generating your creative service energies on [[environmental]] matters or [[ecological]] matters more than the social ills of the various [[cultural]] structures."
   −
PamElla: "Yes, Daniel. And for everybody else I [[decided]] that when I grow up I am going to be an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_law environmental lawyer]. (laughter). I decided that today. I knew it would cause looks (more [[laughter]])on people's faces. But I plan to get my degree done and I plan to raise the [[money]]. (laughter).
+
PamElla: "Yes, Daniel. And for everybody else I [[decided]] that when I grow up I am going to be an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_law environmental lawyer]. (laughter). I decided that today. I knew it would cause looks (more [[laughter]])on people's faces. But I plan to get my degree done and I plan to raise the [[money]]. (laughter).
    
Isaac: "You will have to live to be a hundred now."
 
Isaac: "You will have to live to be a hundred now."

Navigation menu