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I am not conveying these [[concepts]] today to be obstreperous or to undermine [[beliefs]] of many. I am hoping to expand upon a [[concept]] which is in vogue today and which has tremendous [[worth]], for this concept (and I will [[testify]] to its presentation in "[[A Course in Miracles]]") has a way of pulling [[Christianity]] into the fourth dimension where it belongs, and so I would join those proponents of the [[marriage]] of the concepts in [[ACIM|the Course]] with the [[revelation]] of The [[Urantia Book]] as being a significant supplemental [[scaffolding]] to help bridge the gap between [[the East]] and [[the West]].
 
I am not conveying these [[concepts]] today to be obstreperous or to undermine [[beliefs]] of many. I am hoping to expand upon a [[concept]] which is in vogue today and which has tremendous [[worth]], for this concept (and I will [[testify]] to its presentation in "[[A Course in Miracles]]") has a way of pulling [[Christianity]] into the fourth dimension where it belongs, and so I would join those proponents of the [[marriage]] of the concepts in [[ACIM|the Course]] with the [[revelation]] of The [[Urantia Book]] as being a significant supplemental [[scaffolding]] to help bridge the gap between [[the East]] and [[the West]].
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I need to, however, interweave the philosophies and [[ideologies]] of the [[fifth epochal revelation]] to this important work, "[[A Course in Miracles]]." It is my [[hope]] today, in making these remarks, to inculcate great [[relative]] [[truths]] -- for even the truths in [[The Urantia Book]] are [[relative]] to your [[evolution]] and awareness. In respect to your evolution on [[Urantia]] as evolving beings, there will be other, later [[revelations]] (and I will add, parenthetically, that it has been garnered that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra-solar_planets#Confirmed_discoveries a new planet has been discovered], and this is [[testimony]] to the [[growth]] of your world even since the publication of this book, "The [[Urantia Book]]." And so you see a forward-moving march of ages is already ongoing and assimilating the major [[truths]] of living [[reality]] across the globe.
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I need to, however, interweave the philosophies and [[ideologies]] of the [[fifth epochal revelation]] to this important work, "[[A Course in Miracles]]." It is my [[hope]] today, in making these remarks, to inculcate great [[relative]] [[truths]] -- for even the truths in [[The Urantia Book]] are [[relative]] to your [[evolution]] and awareness. In respect to your evolution on [[Urantia]] as evolving beings, there will be other, later [[revelations]] (and I will add, parenthetically, that it has been garnered that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra-solar_planets#Confirmed_discoveries a new planet has been discovered], and this is [[testimony]] to the [[growth]] of your world even since the publication of this book, "The [[Urantia Book]]." And so you see a forward-moving march of ages is already ongoing and assimilating the major [[truths]] of living [[reality]] across the globe.
 
===='''''[[Truth]]''''', '''''[[Revelation]]'''''====
 
===='''''[[Truth]]''''', '''''[[Revelation]]'''''====
 
Still much work is required, and herein is the [[proposition]]: that those various [[ideologies]] which would seem to be different, rather, stand shoulder-to-shoulder in [[support]] of those truths which will enable this world to become united in its [[ascension]] toward greater [[perfection]]. An army of [[Celestial Overseers]] are in support of all truth [[seekers]], truth beacons. The [[competition]] which seems to betray you is "[[illusion]]" which you have taken upon yourself as a "[[belief]]".
 
Still much work is required, and herein is the [[proposition]]: that those various [[ideologies]] which would seem to be different, rather, stand shoulder-to-shoulder in [[support]] of those truths which will enable this world to become united in its [[ascension]] toward greater [[perfection]]. An army of [[Celestial Overseers]] are in support of all truth [[seekers]], truth beacons. The [[competition]] which seems to betray you is "[[illusion]]" which you have taken upon yourself as a "[[belief]]".
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TOMAS: "[[God Calling]]" is a delightful [[reference]] in many respects, a gift to those who would sit at the feet of the Great Friend. And excepting the few references to certain [[Christian]] [[beliefs]], it is alive and well and fostering that [[relationship]] between the Teacher and the listener which is precisely what our [[encouragement]] into [[Stillness]] represents today -- that [[discourse]] with our Father/ Brother [[Michael]] which brings the impersonal God into your [[home]], into your [[life]] and into your daily [[trials]], giving you [[strength]], [[comfort]], sustenance and so forth. This, too, is a delightful reference, which you may edit to your [[satisfaction]].
 
TOMAS: "[[God Calling]]" is a delightful [[reference]] in many respects, a gift to those who would sit at the feet of the Great Friend. And excepting the few references to certain [[Christian]] [[beliefs]], it is alive and well and fostering that [[relationship]] between the Teacher and the listener which is precisely what our [[encouragement]] into [[Stillness]] represents today -- that [[discourse]] with our Father/ Brother [[Michael]] which brings the impersonal God into your [[home]], into your [[life]] and into your daily [[trials]], giving you [[strength]], [[comfort]], sustenance and so forth. This, too, is a delightful reference, which you may edit to your [[satisfaction]].
 
===='''''[[Pornography]]''''', '''''[[Anger]]'''''====
 
===='''''[[Pornography]]''''', '''''[[Anger]]'''''====
Mrs. M: I had a question about -- something [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1996-01-18-Belief#Pornography.2C_Sexuality I talked about a couple weeks ago]. I've been thinking about it and it's [[clarified]] itself for me and I wanted to further engage you on this subject of this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Guccione Rob Guccioni], that is his name. I saw him on television this week and he was talking about his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penthouse_(magazine) Penthouse empire] and I realize what I direct against him is not so much [[anger]] at him, but the anger that I have towards a [[force]] that is militating against our [[children]]. It's not a -- certainly it's not a personal anger against Bob Guccioni. I don't have to [[read]] anything he writes, or prints. And it wouldn't bother me if I did because my [[attitudes]] are fairly well defined through a life-time of living, but …
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Mrs. M: I had a question about -- something [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1996-01-18-Belief#Pornography.2C_Sexuality I talked about a couple weeks ago]. I've been thinking about it and it's [[clarified]] itself for me and I wanted to further engage you on this subject of this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Guccione Rob Guccioni], that is his name. I saw him on television this week and he was talking about his [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penthouse_(magazine) Penthouse empire] and I realize what I direct against him is not so much [[anger]] at him, but the anger that I have towards a [[force]] that is militating against our [[children]]. It's not a -- certainly it's not a personal anger against Bob Guccioni. I don't have to [[read]] anything he writes, or prints. And it wouldn't bother me if I did because my [[attitudes]] are fairly well defined through a life-time of living, but …
    
The [[Course in Miracles]] says that [[anger]] is a device that creates [[guilt]] in somebody else, and so I also heard another definition of anger which is, if you have anger use it. Use it to become [[active]] in some positive way, so I guess I want to . .. If 1 have anger against this Bob Guccioni, I think I would like to use my anger to try to work against [[pornography]] in our city and on our [[media]] and on the [[Internet]] which is a very, very blatant view and a very [[materialistic]] view of [[sex]] that could create limitations in our children, and so I was wondering -- on one hand the [[Course in Miracles]] tells us that anger is not particularly productive and on the other hand if you can't get rid of all of it, can you use it?
 
The [[Course in Miracles]] says that [[anger]] is a device that creates [[guilt]] in somebody else, and so I also heard another definition of anger which is, if you have anger use it. Use it to become [[active]] in some positive way, so I guess I want to . .. If 1 have anger against this Bob Guccioni, I think I would like to use my anger to try to work against [[pornography]] in our city and on our [[media]] and on the [[Internet]] which is a very, very blatant view and a very [[materialistic]] view of [[sex]] that could create limitations in our children, and so I was wondering -- on one hand the [[Course in Miracles]] tells us that anger is not particularly productive and on the other hand if you can't get rid of all of it, can you use it?
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TOMAS: Well, let me [[respond]] before someone else jumps in and gives me even more to [[assimilate]] and redirect.
 
TOMAS: Well, let me [[respond]] before someone else jumps in and gives me even more to [[assimilate]] and redirect.
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You speak of this period of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latency_stage latency]. Prior to this period of latency is the period in the child's life -- and I speak now about that child which has a relatively [[normal]] [[home]] life -- it is during this period of [[time]] that the [[personality]] [[foundation]] has been laid, and so even though the [[curious]] child, pre-[[adolescent]], will perhaps be [[exposed]] to the [[sexual]] nature, if the foundation is well laid, then their proclivities will be founded in that [[value]] bed of [[affection]] and [[intimacy]] which they have learned from their relatively healthy [[home]] life.
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You speak of this period of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latency_stage latency]. Prior to this period of latency is the period in the child's life -- and I speak now about that child which has a relatively [[normal]] [[home]] life -- it is during this period of [[time]] that the [[personality]] [[foundation]] has been laid, and so even though the [[curious]] child, pre-[[adolescent]], will perhaps be [[exposed]] to the [[sexual]] nature, if the foundation is well laid, then their proclivities will be founded in that [[value]] bed of [[affection]] and [[intimacy]] which they have learned from their relatively healthy [[home]] life.
    
The [[fact]] that individuals [[investigate]] their [[sexual nature]] is certainly not cause for [[alarm]], for in the years wherein the [[identity]] of an individual is developing, primary is the need for [[understanding]] its own sexual [[identity]]. You will recall that you are [[animal]] origin beings, and the [[propagation]] of the [[race]] -- of the existence of [[humanity]] in the most [[fundamental]] of factors -- involves the coming [[together]] of the [[sexes]] to keep the race alive and evolving. This is [[natural]].
 
The [[fact]] that individuals [[investigate]] their [[sexual nature]] is certainly not cause for [[alarm]], for in the years wherein the [[identity]] of an individual is developing, primary is the need for [[understanding]] its own sexual [[identity]]. You will recall that you are [[animal]] origin beings, and the [[propagation]] of the [[race]] -- of the existence of [[humanity]] in the most [[fundamental]] of factors -- involves the coming [[together]] of the [[sexes]] to keep the race alive and evolving. This is [[natural]].
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These ills are our [[assignment]]. This is [[Correcting Time]]. Indeed, many, many of [[the teachers]] have been discoursing at great length on such things as human [[character]] or [[anger]] or [[emotion]] and the like, for these are what constitutes you as a [[human being]], and much of your conditioning has been done without a [[spiritual]] [[frame of reference]] and many of us teachers have been asking you to review your rudimentary [[understanding]] of yourself in the [[light]] of spiritual rediscovery, that you might then [[reflect]] upon your reactions to life and correct your own approach. In, then, having a renewed [[understanding]] of yourself and your capacities, we would embark upon the [[power]] of the [[group]] en masse, the orchestration of the [[community]].
 
These ills are our [[assignment]]. This is [[Correcting Time]]. Indeed, many, many of [[the teachers]] have been discoursing at great length on such things as human [[character]] or [[anger]] or [[emotion]] and the like, for these are what constitutes you as a [[human being]], and much of your conditioning has been done without a [[spiritual]] [[frame of reference]] and many of us teachers have been asking you to review your rudimentary [[understanding]] of yourself in the [[light]] of spiritual rediscovery, that you might then [[reflect]] upon your reactions to life and correct your own approach. In, then, having a renewed [[understanding]] of yourself and your capacities, we would embark upon the [[power]] of the [[group]] en masse, the orchestration of the [[community]].
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The community of believers as we see it today is growing, and yet still very [[diffracted]] in its [[foundation]], so we intend to continue in our [[efforts]] in these teaching sessions precisely to [[change]] the flavor of the [[future]] so that as the more positive [[community]] becomes [[pivotal]], becomes stronger, then the darkened aspects of [[Urantia]] evolutionary life will be revolutionized in the [[process]].
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The community of believers as we see it today is growing, and yet still very [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction diffracted] in its [[foundation]], so we intend to continue in our [[efforts]] in these teaching sessions precisely to [[change]] the flavor of the [[future]] so that as the more positive [[community]] becomes [[pivotal]], becomes stronger, then the darkened aspects of [[Urantia]] evolutionary life will be revolutionized in the [[process]].
    
It is certainly not my [[intent]] to [[discourage]] anyone's [[personal]] or [[group]] cause, for your involvement at any level in improving a situation which is fraught with [[disease]] and [[dysfunction]], distress and despair will be helpful, but I point out that as you begin to feel yourself part of the ever-enlarging, ever-expanding, ever-strengthening [[community]] of the [[the kingdom|Love Organism of the Father]], then you are no longer fighting those overwhelming battles [[alone]], or against such great odds as you outlined in your preamble. That is all.
 
It is certainly not my [[intent]] to [[discourage]] anyone's [[personal]] or [[group]] cause, for your involvement at any level in improving a situation which is fraught with [[disease]] and [[dysfunction]], distress and despair will be helpful, but I point out that as you begin to feel yourself part of the ever-enlarging, ever-expanding, ever-strengthening [[community]] of the [[the kingdom|Love Organism of the Father]], then you are no longer fighting those overwhelming battles [[alone]], or against such great odds as you outlined in your preamble. That is all.
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Mrs. M: You covered it well.
 
Mrs. M: You covered it well.
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Leah: Would you kindly define the word "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction diffracted]"?
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Leah: Would you kindly define the word "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction diffracted]"?
    
TOMAS: I will analogize, in the face of the [[possibility]] that the word is incorrect. When you hear the bell ring, it is a pure [[tone]]. With [[light]], as it diminishes, as it goes out, it diffracts, it [[dissipates]].
 
TOMAS: I will analogize, in the face of the [[possibility]] that the word is incorrect. When you hear the bell ring, it is a pure [[tone]]. With [[light]], as it diminishes, as it goes out, it diffracts, it [[dissipates]].
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===='''''[[Difference]]''''', '''''[[Urantia Movement]]'''''====
 
===='''''[[Difference]]''''', '''''[[Urantia Movement]]'''''====
 
Mrs. L: I wanted to ask about a guide for [[study]] groups. In a recent study group happening, one part of the study group went in one [[direction]] and one went in a definitely different direction. There was no attempt to bring that study group into [[cohesiveness]]. It was a question of separating people from other people, and I just would like to have you comment on the [[necessity]] to seek [[unity]] within the group. I think you probably know the situation to which I am referring.
 
Mrs. L: I wanted to ask about a guide for [[study]] groups. In a recent study group happening, one part of the study group went in one [[direction]] and one went in a definitely different direction. There was no attempt to bring that study group into [[cohesiveness]]. It was a question of separating people from other people, and I just would like to have you comment on the [[necessity]] to seek [[unity]] within the group. I think you probably know the situation to which I am referring.
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TOMAS: I will discuss generally that situation wherein [[factions]] will develop. Recall I said earlier that this is [[testimony]] to [[relative]] [[perfection]] and not [[ultimate]] perfection, for in ultimate perfection we are all One and act in Oneness.
 
TOMAS: I will discuss generally that situation wherein [[factions]] will develop. Recall I said earlier that this is [[testimony]] to [[relative]] [[perfection]] and not [[ultimate]] perfection, for in ultimate perfection we are all One and act in Oneness.
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The fact that divisiveness occurs in and of itself is not necessarily a misfortune, for this is part of the [[growth]] [[process]], part of the [[evolution]]. I think vaguely of the [[poem]] (by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Frost Robert Frost], was it?) wherein it is said, "Two roads diverged into a wood"[http://www.bartleby.com/119/1.html] and he has taken the one that has made the [[difference]], and so certain groups may diverge and one may make a greater [[difference]] in the long run, in the greater [[picture]], but who is to say that the one that took the other [[path]] was permanently in [[error]]? No.
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The fact that divisiveness occurs in and of itself is not necessarily a misfortune, for this is part of the [[growth]] [[process]], part of the [[evolution]]. I think vaguely of the [[poem]] (by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Frost Robert Frost], was it?) wherein it is said, "Two roads diverged into a wood"[https://www.bartleby.com/119/1.html] and he has taken the one that has made the [[difference]], and so certain groups may diverge and one may make a greater [[difference]] in the long run, in the greater [[picture]], but who is to say that the one that took the other [[path]] was permanently in [[error]]? No.
    
The soldiers of the circles, the army of on-going [[apostles]] of [[truth]] and [[life]] are on the high road to [[destiny]]. Whether one or two fall away, whether the [[group]] splits in the middle, matters little in the long range view, for the [[earnestness]] of [[effort]] on behalf of [[truth, beauty, and goodness]] will ultimately prevail. [[Our Father]] in Heaven is not a [[failure]]. Although we may see a dismal failure in a certain situation, it may be, as we say, only the temporary [[scaffolding]] which will be torn down in order for the greater [[structure]] to be built later on.
 
The soldiers of the circles, the army of on-going [[apostles]] of [[truth]] and [[life]] are on the high road to [[destiny]]. Whether one or two fall away, whether the [[group]] splits in the middle, matters little in the long range view, for the [[earnestness]] of [[effort]] on behalf of [[truth, beauty, and goodness]] will ultimately prevail. [[Our Father]] in Heaven is not a [[failure]]. Although we may see a dismal failure in a certain situation, it may be, as we say, only the temporary [[scaffolding]] which will be torn down in order for the greater [[structure]] to be built later on.
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TOMAS: I respond only conversationally, for it is not [[revelation]]. And why not, indeed, [[prepare]] for what you can see is right around the corner in terms of your corporeal [[existence]], your temporal environment, your [[goods]] and needs in the [[physical]] realm? Why not amass fresh [[water]] and an abundant supply of [[food]], preservative-type food? Indeed, [[culture]], [[games]] and those things which will enhance and expand your enjoyment of [[life]] should life as you know it alter suddenly, radically or painfully?
 
TOMAS: I respond only conversationally, for it is not [[revelation]]. And why not, indeed, [[prepare]] for what you can see is right around the corner in terms of your corporeal [[existence]], your temporal environment, your [[goods]] and needs in the [[physical]] realm? Why not amass fresh [[water]] and an abundant supply of [[food]], preservative-type food? Indeed, [[culture]], [[games]] and those things which will enhance and expand your enjoyment of [[life]] should life as you know it alter suddenly, radically or painfully?
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I am not [[predicting]] or projecting here. I am only conversationally suggesting that these are things that the [[human]] [[animal]] has an interest in and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Earth_News Mother Earth News]" has been promoting for years.
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I am not [[predicting]] or projecting here. I am only conversationally suggesting that these are things that the [[human]] [[animal]] has an interest in and "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Earth_News Mother Earth News]" has been promoting for years.
    
I am reminded, too, however, that when it is known that you have largess, those who have not planned ahead may [[attack]]. And that is not a solution, but also I am reminded that in [[war]] time, when there is national distress or in times of [[disaster]] such as floods or earthquake, the human being extends himself in [[friendship]] to his [[peers]] in the [[tragedy]] and that is not an outlook to be overlooked, either, for although [[preparation]] will give you perhaps some sense of well-being and material [[peace]] of [[mind]], it is the actual working out of the [[brotherhood]] in time of need which is the true earmark of a civilized people.
 
I am reminded, too, however, that when it is known that you have largess, those who have not planned ahead may [[attack]]. And that is not a solution, but also I am reminded that in [[war]] time, when there is national distress or in times of [[disaster]] such as floods or earthquake, the human being extends himself in [[friendship]] to his [[peers]] in the [[tragedy]] and that is not an outlook to be overlooked, either, for although [[preparation]] will give you perhaps some sense of well-being and material [[peace]] of [[mind]], it is the actual working out of the [[brotherhood]] in time of need which is the true earmark of a civilized people.
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TOMAS: Truly. Let me then remind you again of one of my primary [[purposes]] here and that is to cement within your own [[faith]] realms that [[understanding]] of your own reality which will grow and develop to become whole and sound and well-balanced with and within your [[community]], and your community ultimately will [[touch]] your [[neighboring]] community and your hands will reach around the world to [[change]] the face of [[this planet]] forever. This is serious stuff. (Group [[chortle]])
 
TOMAS: Truly. Let me then remind you again of one of my primary [[purposes]] here and that is to cement within your own [[faith]] realms that [[understanding]] of your own reality which will grow and develop to become whole and sound and well-balanced with and within your [[community]], and your community ultimately will [[touch]] your [[neighboring]] community and your hands will reach around the world to [[change]] the face of [[this planet]] forever. This is serious stuff. (Group [[chortle]])
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Mrs. M: Well, to go into something a little lighter, perhaps. It looks like this [http://urantiabook.org/archive/history/h_timlin_7.htm Flagstaff conference] is going to be as [[magnificent]] as Montreal was, and maybe you were around for the triennial conference at Montreal, Tomas. I don't know how long you've been around here, but it was so [[wonderful]] and I just wanted to tell you that it would be really nice if you could put it on your [[agenda]].
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Mrs. M: Well, to go into something a little lighter, perhaps. It looks like this [https://urantiabook.org/archive/history/h_timlin_7.htm Flagstaff conference] is going to be as [[magnificent]] as Montreal was, and maybe you were around for the triennial conference at Montreal, Tomas. I don't know how long you've been around here, but it was so [[wonderful]] and I just wanted to tell you that it would be really nice if you could put it on your [[agenda]].
    
TOMAS: I [[assure]] you I have my agenda well planned for me. (Group [[laughter]]) Perhaps now we can savor a moment of undiffused [[perfection]] that will remind us of that inner [[bastion]] of [[strength]], that [[indwelling fragment]] of [[perfection]] which we [[aspire]] to attain and become one with for all [[eternity]]. As we find strength and [[harmony]] in our lives, as a result of having this divine [[spark]] to go to, and attend us, we are renewed in our resolve and [[determination]] and [[strength]] to then go out into our arena and serve and [[praise]].
 
TOMAS: I [[assure]] you I have my agenda well planned for me. (Group [[laughter]]) Perhaps now we can savor a moment of undiffused [[perfection]] that will remind us of that inner [[bastion]] of [[strength]], that [[indwelling fragment]] of [[perfection]] which we [[aspire]] to attain and become one with for all [[eternity]]. As we find strength and [[harmony]] in our lives, as a result of having this divine [[spark]] to go to, and attend us, we are renewed in our resolve and [[determination]] and [[strength]] to then go out into our arena and serve and [[praise]].

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