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THOROAH: Would your planet, in that [[status]], qualify for the age of [[light and life]]?
 
THOROAH: Would your planet, in that [[status]], qualify for the age of [[light and life]]?
  
TOMAS: Our portion was very advanced, yes. It did not include the entire world, but we were not [[messianic]] as you tend to be. When one from the outside made appeal for entrance - which happened on occasion - we were glad to inculcate them if the adaptation was worthwhile.
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TOMAS: Our portion was very advanced, yes. It did not include the entire world, but we were not [[messianic]] as you tend to be. When one from the outside made appeal for entrance - which happened on occasion - we were glad to inculcate them if the [[adaptation]] was worthwhile.
  
 
THOROAH: They had to pass inspection, so to speak?
 
THOROAH: They had to pass inspection, so to speak?
  
TOMAS: Let me say that we looked with a certain curiosity on them as they looked upon me with a certain curiosity, as if we were two different species of creatures.
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TOMAS: Let me say that we looked with a certain [[curiosity]] on them as they looked upon me with a certain curiosity, as if we were two different [[species]] of creatures.
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===='''''[[Light and Life]]'''''====
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THOROAH: So [[light and life]] can actually take on a portion of mortal [[civilization]] on a planet?
  
THOROAH: So light and life can actually take on a portion of mortal [[civilization]] on a planet?
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TOMAS: Yes, very much so. Light and life can begin with the [[individual]] and as it clusters with other [[individuals]], it gives rise to a greater pocket of light and life, but even though a great many of you may [[attain]] a high degree of spiritual awareness and cultural advancement and so forth, there are still many who [[choose]] to remain ignorant, and they have a right to make that choice.
  
TOMAS: Yes, very much so. Light and life can begin with the individual and as it clusters with other individuals, it gives rise to a greater pocket of light and life, but even though a great many of you may attain a high degree of spiritual awareness and cultural advancement and so forth, there are still many who choose to remain ignorant, and they have a right to make that choice.
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THOROAH: But the natural [[evolution]] of [[light and life]], then, it would seem, would be a clustered [[evolution]].
  
THOROAH: But the natural evolution of light and life, then, it would seem, would be a clustered [[evolution]].
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TOMAS: Yes, always are [[social]] [[groups]] gregarious. Even the [[barbarians]] are smart enough to know that there is [[power]] in mass.
  
TOMAS: Yes, always are social groups gregarious. Even the barbarians are smart enough to know that there is [[power]] in mass.
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THOROAH: It almost seems as though this country of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_America United States of America] began with a real [[potential]], the groundwork for such a [[community]], based on the [[ideals]] on which it was founded.
  
THOROAH: It almost seems as though this country of the United States of America began with a real potential, the groundwork for such a [[community]], based on the [[ideals]] on which it was founded.
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TOMAS: Yes, and had it been able to withstand the lure of [[adventure]] to foster its newfound [[freedom]] in genuine spiritual pursuits, it might have succeeded in creating a colony of [[light and life]], and yet, in an [[understanding]] of [[evolution]], it is appropriate that your world be [[explored]], and the adventure lure of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_frontier the people moving west] was [[necessary]] and desirable. The early days of the United States certainly did have within it the [[seeds]] for a great civilization and in many ways has attained its goals but it is fraught with [[problems]].
  
TOMAS: Yes, and had it been able to withstand the lure of adventure to foster its newfound freedom in genuine spiritual pursuits, it might have succeeded in creating a colony of light and life, and yet, in an understanding of evolution, it is appropriate that your world be explored, and the adventure lure of the people moving west was necessary and desirable. The early days of the United States certainly did have within it the seeds for a great civilization and in many ways has attained its goals but it is fraught with problems.
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THOROAH: [[Greed]] being one of the biggest.
  
THOROAH: Greed being one of the biggest.
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TOMAS: Well, you have great regard for [[money]] and [[wealth]] and what it can do. It is an impressive [[power]]. It will pass, this [[value]] level, for the [[spirit]] will [[persist]] and your evolution will continue. We could say that [[America]] has been a part of the [[scaffolding]] of the one world, one people, one God [[ideal]] that many worlds of [[time and space]] attain relatively naturally and easily by comparison to you here who have had so many [[difficulties]].
  
TOMAS: Well, you have great regard for [[money]] and wealth and what it can do. It is an impressive power. It will pass, this [[value]] level, for the [[spirit]] will persist and your evolution will continue. We could say that [[America]] has been a part of the scaffolding of the one world, one people, one God ideal that many worlds of time and space attain relatively naturally and easily by comparison to you here who have had so many difficulties.
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THOROAH: Did the awareness of [[other worlds]] within your system, and the [[fact]] that you had open [[communications]] and did not suffer [[Isolated worlds|quarantine]], help them in this advancement to understand their singular nature in a world?
 
 
THOROAH: Did the awareness of other worlds within your system, and the fact that you had open [[communications]] and did not suffer quarantine, help them in this advancement to understand their singular nature in a world?
 
  
 
TOMAS: Their singular nature?
 
TOMAS: Their singular nature?
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===='''''[[Extraterrestrial]]'''''====
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THOROAH: As a [[race]]. In other words, this idea of the world, or the globe as I look at it, is fraught with all kinds of [[problems]]. Part of it is because we don't know of our [[citizenship]] in the [[cosmos]]. I'm wondering if the awareness of such a citizenship helps worlds unite faster, under the concept of one people, one God.
  
THOROAH: As a race. In other words, this idea of the world, or the globe as I look at it, is fraught with all kinds of problems. Part of it is because we don't know of our citizenship in the cosmos. I'm wondering if the awareness of such a citizenship helps worlds unite faster, under the concept of one people, one God.
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TOMAS: Yes, because [[the universe]] is also gregarious, and once you have made a friend out there, you will [[bond]] and develop the [[friendship]] even into [[Paper 45 - The Local System Administration|the entire system]].
  
TOMAS: Yes, because the universe is also gregarious, and once you have made a friend out there, you will bond and develop the friendship even into the entire system.
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I have already told you that my work was to go into the outer environment and stay abreast of the people out there, and in [[fairness]] I will say that part of my [[responsibility]] was to watch for anyone who might be inclined to be unhappy where they were in such a [[context]] as they might be [[compatible]] as a [[community]] member in our portion of the world, but I did not [[invite]] them. I would report them as a part of my job.
  
I have already told you that my work was to go into the outer environment and stay abreast of the people out there, and in fairness I will say that part of my responsibility was to watch for anyone who might be inclined to be unhappy where they were in such a [[context]] as they might be compatible as a [[community]] member in our portion of the world, but I did not invite them. I would report them as a part of my job.
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There were other fields which other people went into, and one of them was [[investigating]] the outer [[universe]] in search of [[Extraterrestrial|intelligent life]] there. We had made contact with two [[neighbors]] with which we had established an elementary form of [[communication]] and were making initial contact with a third further away by the time I left my world. But since I have been in the [[mansion worlds]], I have met and shared my [[experience]]s with many [[ascending mortals]], some of whom came from yet more advanced worlds than mine, and they reported, in some cases, a highly developed [[relationship]] with their [[cosmic]] [[neighbors]].
  
There were other fields which other people went into, and one of them was investigating the outer universe in search of intelligent life there. We had made contact with two neighbors with which we had established an elementary form of communication and were making initial contact with a third further away by the time I left my world. But since I have been in the [[mansion worlds]], I have met and shared my [[experience]]s with many ascending mortals, some of whom came from yet more advanced worlds than mine, and they reported, in some cases, a highly developed relationship with their cosmic neighbors.
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And in some cases, there were actual [[visitations]], physically, between the worlds which were undertaken as a part of their [[scientific]] discoveries and investigations, but by and large, the worlds tend to be isolated physically, in order that they may develop in the [[natural]] way, and when they have developed, then they have also [[attained]] the [[skills]] that will enable them to reach out in [[love]] in a desire to share the [[experience]] of life and learn from each other rather than try to destroy each other. There is merit to the [[evolutionary]] scheme in more ways than one.
  
And in some cases, there were actual visitations, physically, between the worlds which were undertaken as a part of their scientific discoveries and investigations, but by and large, the worlds tend to be isolated physically, in order that they may develop in the natural way, and when they have developed, then they have also attained the skills that will enable them to reach out in [[love]] in a desire to share the experience of life and learn from each other rather than try to destroy each other. There is merit to the evolutionary scheme in more ways than one.
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THOROAH: Yes. Well, I was thinking along that line about [[our planet]], about the fact that it's so [[abnormal]], as would be most of the [[Isolated worlds|other planets that were under quarantine]], - if our global [[consciousness]] was made aware of a [[cosmic citizenship]] with such a physical visitation, that it may [[change]] the concept of this brotherhood of man issue that we're dealing with so much.
  
THOROAH: Yes. Well, I was thinking along that line about our planet, about the fact that it's so abnormal, as would be most of the other planets that were under quarantine, - if our global consciousness was made aware of a cosmic citizenship with such a physical visitation, that it may change the concept of this brotherhood of man issue that we're dealing with so much.
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TOMAS: This [[theory]] has been broached before.
 
 
TOMAS: This theory has been broached before.
 
  
 
THOROAH: I think I did that once before.
 
THOROAH: I think I did that once before.
  
TOMAS: You are not the only one. And the fact is, your world has been visited by many, Michael being one of them, and you see how much you have grown as a result of his presence here. In time you will be visited by others, but they are no guarantee that the people will listen or that your world will be suddenly more mature because of their visit.
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TOMAS: You are not the only one. And the [[fact]] is, your world has been visited by many, [[Michael]] being one of them, and you see how much you have grown as a result of his [[presence]] here? In time you will be [[visited]] by others, but they are no guarantee that the people will [[listen]] or that your world will be suddenly more [[mature]] because of their visit.
 
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===='''''[[Urantia Book]]''''', '''''[[Revelation]]'''''====
There is only so much that can be done from outside sources. The work is still upon your shoulders, even though, in your case, it seems grossly unfair, since you have many deficiencies, but you have also been recipients of many blessings and you are beginning to see the benefits of this more recent revelation to your world and the many good things that are coming about as a result of the natural course of events.
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There is only so much that can be done from outside sources. The work is still upon your shoulders, even though, in your case, it seems grossly unfair, since you have many [[deficiencies]], but you have also been recipients of many [[blessings]] and you are beginning to see the benefits of this more recent [[revelation]] to your world and the many good things that are coming about as a result of the natural [[course]] of events.
  
It is an observation by many of us that the relatively short time span between the fourth revelation to your world and the fifth is an uncommon event and should be construed by you as highly merciful. The cry of those of you who yearned for God has been heard and responded to, but planets that follow a more natural course of evolution are not granted their revelations in such a short period of time.
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It is an [[observation]] by many of us that the relatively short time span between [[Part 4|the fourth revelation]] to your world and [[UB|the fifth]] is an uncommon [[event]] and should be construed by you as highly [[merciful]]. The [[cry]] of those of you who yearned for [[God]] has been heard and responded to, but planets that follow a more [[natural]] course of evolution are not granted their [[revelations]] in such a short period of time.
  
THOROAH: It would seem that if there was a visitation of a physical kind, that didn't require the search as much as what finding the fifth epochal revelation or the teaching mission or any other of the other phenomenon that people are searching for, and it was something obvious, all that would do is establish a different paradigm that would then be passed on generationally, and that's basically how the growth, I assume, would happen. Parents would then confirm to their children something that the children would take forward as fact and it would be new fact or a new truth, compared to generations before them, and so each generation either stultifies or advances the next generation.
+
THOROAH: It would seem that if there was a [[visitation]] of a [[physical]] kind, that didn't require the search as much as what finding the [[fifth epochal revelation]] or the [[teaching mission]] or any other of the other [[phenomenon]] that people are searching for, and it was something obvious, all that would do is establish a different [[paradigm]] that would then be passed on generationally, and that's basically how the [[growth]], I assume, would happen. [[Parents]] would then [[confirm]] to their children something that the children would take forward as [[fact]] and it would be new fact or a new [[truth]], compared to [[generations]] before them, and so each generation either stultifies or advances the next generation.
  
 
TOMAS: Yes, this is true, but …
 
TOMAS: Yes, this is true, but …
  
THOROAH: So any revelation is worth while.
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THOROAH: So any [[revelation]] is worth while.
  
TOMAS: Yes. And every revelation will be advanced by individuals, and not groups. Individuals may group together. Groups may come into being because of and around individuals, but always will the individual in conscious or unconscious liaison with divinity be those forge the path through to yet greater awareness and greater light. Those who confine themselves to the comfort of the group will always be supportive of the group consensus, and their leaders, but you have a long way to go before you know how, as a group, to lead or bulldoze your way into advancement for everyone.
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TOMAS: Yes. And every [[revelation]] will be advanced by [[individuals]], and not [[groups]]. Individuals may group together. Groups may come into being because of and around individuals, but always will the individual in [[conscious]] or [[unconscious]] [[liaison]] with [[divinity]] be those forge the [path] through to yet greater awareness and greater [[light]]. Those who confine themselves to the [[comfort]] of the group will always be supportive of the group [[consensus]], and their [[leaders]], but you have a long way to go before you know how, as a group, to [[lead]] or bulldoze your way into advancement for everyone.
  
THOROAH: Patience is difficult.
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THOROAH: [[Patience]] is difficult.
  
TOMAS: It is not required that you be patient in general, only that you be patient with individuals including yourself.It is understandable that you should know impatience for a better way, for peace, prosperity, happiness, music, all the pleasures, all the joys of fraternity and family en route and in praise.
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TOMAS: It is not required that you be patient in general, only that you be patient with [[individuals]] including yourself. It is understandable that you should know impatience for a better way, for [[peace]], [[prosperity]], [[happiness]], [[music]], all the [[pleasures]], all the [[joys]] of fraternity and [[family]] en route and in [[praise]].
 
===Closing===
 
===Closing===
I have been nudged that I must keep my disciplines and remember my conditioning that I ought not wear out my welcome, and so I want to thank you for spending an hour or so with me this evening to talk about things that interest us and that matter to us mutually, communally. We are always heartened by your mind's willingness to grasp what it can in order to feed the grist mill of your ambitions to be of service to God and to your fellows.
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I have been nudged that I must keep my [[disciplines]] and remember my conditioning that I ought not wear out my welcome, and so I want to thank you for spending an hour or so with me this evening to talk about things that interest us and that matter to us [[mutually]], communally. We are always [[heartened]] by your mind's willingness to grasp what it can in order to [[feed]] the grist mill of your [[ambitions]] to be of [[service]] to God and to your fellows.
  
THOROAH: Appreciate the sharing tonight. Thank you.
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THOROAH: [[Appreciate]] the [[sharing]] tonight. Thank you.
  
TOMAS: Again we thank you for your affection and availability, for it will encourage you and others as we pass by. Until next week, I am your loyal friend and Teacher, Tomas.
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TOMAS: Again we thank you for your [[affection]] and availability, for it will [[encourage]] you and others as we pass by. Until next week, I am your [[loyal]] friend and Teacher, Tomas.
  
 
THOROAH: Good night, Tomas.
 
THOROAH: Good night, Tomas.
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Topic: More On Tomas' World of Origin

Group: Butler TeaM

Facilitators

Teacher: Tomas

TR: Gerdean

Session

Dialogue

THOROAH: Would your planet, in that status, qualify for the age of light and life?

TOMAS: Our portion was very advanced, yes. It did not include the entire world, but we were not messianic as you tend to be. When one from the outside made appeal for entrance - which happened on occasion - we were glad to inculcate them if the adaptation was worthwhile.

THOROAH: They had to pass inspection, so to speak?

TOMAS: Let me say that we looked with a certain curiosity on them as they looked upon me with a certain curiosity, as if we were two different species of creatures.

Light and Life

THOROAH: So light and life can actually take on a portion of mortal civilization on a planet?

TOMAS: Yes, very much so. Light and life can begin with the individual and as it clusters with other individuals, it gives rise to a greater pocket of light and life, but even though a great many of you may attain a high degree of spiritual awareness and cultural advancement and so forth, there are still many who choose to remain ignorant, and they have a right to make that choice.

THOROAH: But the natural evolution of light and life, then, it would seem, would be a clustered evolution.

TOMAS: Yes, always are social groups gregarious. Even the barbarians are smart enough to know that there is power in mass.

THOROAH: It almost seems as though this country of the United States of America began with a real potential, the groundwork for such a community, based on the ideals on which it was founded.

TOMAS: Yes, and had it been able to withstand the lure of adventure to foster its newfound freedom in genuine spiritual pursuits, it might have succeeded in creating a colony of light and life, and yet, in an understanding of evolution, it is appropriate that your world be explored, and the adventure lure of the people moving west was necessary and desirable. The early days of the United States certainly did have within it the seeds for a great civilization and in many ways has attained its goals but it is fraught with problems.

THOROAH: Greed being one of the biggest.

TOMAS: Well, you have great regard for money and wealth and what it can do. It is an impressive power. It will pass, this value level, for the spirit will persist and your evolution will continue. We could say that America has been a part of the scaffolding of the one world, one people, one God ideal that many worlds of time and space attain relatively naturally and easily by comparison to you here who have had so many difficulties.

THOROAH: Did the awareness of other worlds within your system, and the fact that you had open communications and did not suffer quarantine, help them in this advancement to understand their singular nature in a world?

TOMAS: Their singular nature?

Extraterrestrial

THOROAH: As a race. In other words, this idea of the world, or the globe as I look at it, is fraught with all kinds of problems. Part of it is because we don't know of our citizenship in the cosmos. I'm wondering if the awareness of such a citizenship helps worlds unite faster, under the concept of one people, one God.

TOMAS: Yes, because the universe is also gregarious, and once you have made a friend out there, you will bond and develop the friendship even into the entire system.

I have already told you that my work was to go into the outer environment and stay abreast of the people out there, and in fairness I will say that part of my responsibility was to watch for anyone who might be inclined to be unhappy where they were in such a context as they might be compatible as a community member in our portion of the world, but I did not invite them. I would report them as a part of my job.

There were other fields which other people went into, and one of them was investigating the outer universe in search of intelligent life there. We had made contact with two neighbors with which we had established an elementary form of communication and were making initial contact with a third further away by the time I left my world. But since I have been in the mansion worlds, I have met and shared my experiences with many ascending mortals, some of whom came from yet more advanced worlds than mine, and they reported, in some cases, a highly developed relationship with their cosmic neighbors.

And in some cases, there were actual visitations, physically, between the worlds which were undertaken as a part of their scientific discoveries and investigations, but by and large, the worlds tend to be isolated physically, in order that they may develop in the natural way, and when they have developed, then they have also attained the skills that will enable them to reach out in love in a desire to share the experience of life and learn from each other rather than try to destroy each other. There is merit to the evolutionary scheme in more ways than one.

THOROAH: Yes. Well, I was thinking along that line about our planet, about the fact that it's so abnormal, as would be most of the other planets that were under quarantine, - if our global consciousness was made aware of a cosmic citizenship with such a physical visitation, that it may change the concept of this brotherhood of man issue that we're dealing with so much.

TOMAS: This theory has been broached before.

THOROAH: I think I did that once before.

TOMAS: You are not the only one. And the fact is, your world has been visited by many, Michael being one of them, and you see how much you have grown as a result of his presence here? In time you will be visited by others, but they are no guarantee that the people will listen or that your world will be suddenly more mature because of their visit.

Urantia Book, Revelation

There is only so much that can be done from outside sources. The work is still upon your shoulders, even though, in your case, it seems grossly unfair, since you have many deficiencies, but you have also been recipients of many blessings and you are beginning to see the benefits of this more recent revelation to your world and the many good things that are coming about as a result of the natural course of events.

It is an observation by many of us that the relatively short time span between the fourth revelation to your world and the fifth is an uncommon event and should be construed by you as highly merciful. The cry of those of you who yearned for God has been heard and responded to, but planets that follow a more natural course of evolution are not granted their revelations in such a short period of time.

THOROAH: It would seem that if there was a visitation of a physical kind, that didn't require the search as much as what finding the fifth epochal revelation or the teaching mission or any other of the other phenomenon that people are searching for, and it was something obvious, all that would do is establish a different paradigm that would then be passed on generationally, and that's basically how the growth, I assume, would happen. Parents would then confirm to their children something that the children would take forward as fact and it would be new fact or a new truth, compared to generations before them, and so each generation either stultifies or advances the next generation.

TOMAS: Yes, this is true, but …

THOROAH: So any revelation is worth while.

TOMAS: Yes. And every revelation will be advanced by individuals, and not groups. Individuals may group together. Groups may come into being because of and around individuals, but always will the individual in conscious or unconscious liaison with divinity be those forge the [path] through to yet greater awareness and greater light. Those who confine themselves to the comfort of the group will always be supportive of the group consensus, and their leaders, but you have a long way to go before you know how, as a group, to lead or bulldoze your way into advancement for everyone.

THOROAH: Patience is difficult.

TOMAS: It is not required that you be patient in general, only that you be patient with individuals including yourself. It is understandable that you should know impatience for a better way, for peace, prosperity, happiness, music, all the pleasures, all the joys of fraternity and family en route and in praise.

Closing

I have been nudged that I must keep my disciplines and remember my conditioning that I ought not wear out my welcome, and so I want to thank you for spending an hour or so with me this evening to talk about things that interest us and that matter to us mutually, communally. We are always heartened by your mind's willingness to grasp what it can in order to feed the grist mill of your ambitions to be of service to God and to your fellows.

THOROAH: Appreciate the sharing tonight. Thank you.

TOMAS: Again we thank you for your affection and availability, for it will encourage you and others as we pass by. Until next week, I am your loyal friend and Teacher, Tomas.

THOROAH: Good night, Tomas.