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==Session==
 
==Session==
 
===Opening===
 
===Opening===
Opening Prayer: Minearisa(Bill): May the light within you glow brightly, brighter and brighter, so that it transcends the limitations of your animal nature. Let your mind be the mind of Christ Michael. Whenever you are in need, trade your mind for Christ Michael's. My friends, let us pray.
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Opening Prayer: Minearisa(Bill): May the [[light]] within you glow brightly, brighter and brighter, so that it [[transcends]] the [[limitations]] of your [[animal nature]]. Let your [[mind]] be the mind of [[Christ Michael]]. Whenever you are in need, trade your mind for Christ Michael's. My friends, let us [[pray]].
  
O Light within each of us, Thou divine Spirit, we worship the Central Shining on Paradise and we worship Your presence in each of these mortals. May they learn to respect that God nature which is theirs and is their brothers' and sisters'. Tonight, may words that we speak come through with conviction, with the aroma of profound truth, and the perfume of divine love. So be it. Amen.
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O Light within each of us, Thou [[Ta|divine Spirit]], we [[worship]] the Central Shining on [[Paradise]] and we worship Your [[presence]] in each of these [[mortals]]. May they learn to respect that [[Divinity|God nature]] which is theirs and is their brothers' and sisters'. Tonight, may [[words]] that we speak come through with [[conviction]], with the aroma of [[profound]] [[truth]], and the perfume of divine [[love]]. So be it. [[Amen]].
  
Alana(Bill): Greetings, my children, my dear friends, I am Alana. Hello, again. I have been at your meetings, but I have not been given the opportunity to speak with you, once again. The heart room construct, that I have been teaching, is not the only thing that concerns me. It is intended that I assist Daniel and Minearisa with this curriculum on relationships. For you see, my friends, there can be no adequate discussion of relationships without the male and female aspects. Indeed, you have been without a female teacher, except for your personal teachers who are of that gender. I am here tonight to let you know that I will be an integral part of this co-teaching process.
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Alana(Bill): Greetings, my children, my dear friends, I am Alana. Hello, again. I have been at your [[meetings]], but I have not been given the [[opportunity]] to speak with you, once again. The heart room construct, that I have been teaching, is not the only thing that concerns me. It is intended that I [[assist]] Daniel and Minearisa with this [[curriculum]] on [[relationships]]. For you see, my friends, there can be no adequate [[discussion]] of relationships without the [[male]] and [[female]] aspects. Indeed, you have been without a female teacher, except for your personal teachers who are of that [[gender]]. I am here tonight to let you know that I will be an integral part of this co-teaching [[process]].
  
The matter of priorities has been addressed with full adequacy by Minearisa in the prior meeting so that you understand that relationship is essential to Deity. It is essential to universe reality. It is not possible to have a personal existence without embracing relationships with other personal beings.
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The matter of [[priorities]] has been [[2001-05-31-Spiritual Priorities|addressed with full adequacy by Minearisa in the prior meeting]] so that you [[understand]] that [[relationship]] is essential to [[Deity]]. It is essential to [[universe reality]]. It is not possible to have a personal [[existence]] without embracing [[relationships]] with other personal beings.
 
===Lesson===
 
===Lesson===
Tonight I again introduce the concept of duality as it is understood in the seven Superuiniverses. Duality is of the essence of the time/space universes as they are created by a Creator Son and Creative Daughter. The two of them, our divine Parents, set the structure for the fabric of the Superuniverses. Duality is not an option, it is a necessity, for the universes partake of the nature of their Creators. Likewise, in the Central Universe, a Triune God is manifest even in the substance of the material basis of that perfect and central creation. But in the Superuniverses duality reflects the Creators in their essential nature. As it filters down from the Creator Son and Mother Spirit all the way to the level of mortality, so you are born male and female. Without the opposite aspects of duality there would be incompleteness. This is why your text tells you that a man and a woman can accomplish more than either two men or two women can do. Ah, the mystery of the relationship between a man and a woman! What a subject to discourse on!
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===='''''[[Duality]]''''', '''''[[Gender]]'''''====
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Tonight I again introduce the concept of [[duality]] as it is understood in the seven [[Paper 15 - The Seven Superuniverses|Superuiniverses]]. Duality is of the [[essence]] of the [[Spacetime|time/space]] universes as they are created by a [[Creator Son]] and [[Creative Daughter]]. The two of them, our divine Parents, set the [[structure]] for the fabric of the Superuniverses. Duality is not an [[option]], it is a [[necessity]], for the universes partake of the nature of their Creators. Likewise, in the [[Central Universe]], a [[Triune]] God is [[manifest]] even in the substance of the [[material]] basis of that [[perfect]] and central creation. But in the Superuniverses duality reflects the Creators in their [[essential]] [[nature]]. As it filters down from the [[Creator Son]] and [[Mother Spirit]] all the way to the level of [[mortality]], so you are born [[male]] and [[female]]. Without the opposite aspects of duality there would be incompleteness. This is why [[your text]] tells you that a man and a woman can accomplish more than either two men or two women can do. Ah, the [[mystery]] of the [[relationship]] between a man and a woman! What a subject to [[discourse]] on!
  
Let me begin by saying that the relationship between a man and a woman has to be one of full equality or it is not a fully functional relationship. On this planet, as you well know, the male sex has the dominance, at least a majority of the time, and this imbalance has resulted in dysfunctional relationships between men and women. The time has come on this evolutionary world for this imbalance to be redressed. Wherever there is the predominance of one gender over the other, the intention of the universe creators is thwarted.
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Let me begin by saying that the [[relationship]] between a [[man]] and a [[woman]] has to be one of full [[equality]] or it is not a fully [[functional]] relationship. On [[this planet]], as you well know, the male sex has the [[dominance]], at least a [[majority]] of the time, and this imbalance has resulted in [[dysfunctional]] relationships between men and women. The time has come on this evolutionary world for this imbalance to be redressed. Wherever there is the predominance of one [[gender]] over the other, the [[intention]] of [[the universe]] creators is thwarted.
  
This equality of dignity status does not mean the sameness of role function, however. Male and female are truly different, almost, indeed, two different species, although that is not quite correct. Maleness and femaleness are apples and oranges. Both are fruit, but they are very different. In a functional and healthy relationship between men and women each partner, in that relationship, recognizes the assets of the other. Each partner gives that other person their full due for the abilities and propensities of temperament and types of thinking that are unique to that gender. For women to assume that equality with men means to do a man's job with a man's approach is a fallacy and is a major problem in your society at this time. Because of the inequality of the past, women are struggling to gain what they believe to be their rights; when, in fact, what they need to understand is that they have equal dignity, but their rights are different, even as a man's rights are different from a woman's. I realize that this information is in the Urantia Book, but not all hearers of the transcripts have read that book; and, indeed, it is a textbook. We, teachers, are here to apply its teachings to your everyday lives.
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This [[equality]] of [[dignity]] [[status]] does not mean the sameness of role [[function]], however. [[Male]] and [[female]] are truly different, almost, indeed, two different [[species]], although that is not quite correct. Maleness and femaleness are apples and oranges. Both are fruit, but they are very different. In a functional and healthy [[relationship]] between men and women each [[partner]], in that [[relationship]], recognizes the assets of the other. Each partner gives that other person their full due for the [[abilities]] and propensities of [[temperament]] and types of [[thinking]] that are unique to that [[gender]]. For women to assume that [[equality]] with men means to do a man's job with a man's approach is a [[fallacy]] and is a major [[problem]] in your [[society]] at this time. Because of the inequality of the [[past]], women are struggling to gain what they believe to be their [[rights]]; when, in fact, what they need to understand is that they have equal [[dignity]], but their rights are [[different]], even as a man's rights are different from a woman's. I realize that this [[information]] is in the [[Urantia Book]], but not all hearers of [[the transcripts]] have read that book; and, indeed, it is a textbook. We, teachers, are here to apply its teachings to your everyday lives.
  
The ideal relationship of man and woman is fully democratic in regard to decision making. Neither partner has the right to usurp the opinion of the other. When you force your point of view on the other person, whether you be the male or the female, you are in violation of dignity status. Consequently, when you allow yourself to be forced, you are in violation of your own dignity status. Both persons need to be assertive, democratic, and respectful of each other.
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The [[ideal]] [[relationship]] of man and woman is fully [[democratic]] in regard to [[decision]] making. Neither [[partner]] has the right to [[usurp]] the [[opinion]] of the other. When you [[force]] your [[point of view]] on the other person, whether you be the [[male]] or the [[female]], you are in [[violation]] of [[dignity]] status. Consequently, when you allow yourself to be forced, you are in violation of your own dignity status. Both persons need to be [[assertive]], democratic, and [[respectful]] of each other.
  
It is in the partnership, molded after the Adamic display, that the family takes its healthy growth pattern. The ideal family should reflect the dignity of each family member so that even the children are allowed a voice in family decision making. This is the best procedure. That does not mean that children have the same wisdom, experience, and authority that the parents do, but their wishes should be considered. If they are appropriate, they should be put into the mix of family decision making.For you men, I have these words. Do not consider that you are giving equality to your female partners. You do not have that power. You are recognizing that other person in her full dignity status; you are not conferring that status upon her. To you women,: cease from resentment toward the male gender because the patriarchal society was an evolutionary necessity in order to develop civilization. While it was oppressive in large measure, like war, it was a transition phase. Both men and women are victims in an unequal relationship. So let go of any anger toward the male gender, realizing that both female and male have been victimized. At the same time keep in mind the evolutionary necessity of these transition stages.
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It is in the [[partnership]], molded after the [[Adam and Eve|Adamic display]], that the family takes its [[healthy]] [[growth]] pattern. The [[ideal]] [[family]] should [[reflect]] the dignity of each family member so that even the [[children]] are allowed a voice in family [[decision]] making. This is the best [[procedure]]. That does not mean that children have the same [[wisdom]], [[experience]], and [[authority]] that the [[parents]] do, but their wishes should be considered. If they are appropriate, they should be put into the mix of family decision making. For you men, I have these words. Do not consider that you are giving [[equality]] to your [[female]] [[partners]]. You do not have that [[power]]. You are recognizing that other person in her full dignity status; you are not conferring that status upon her. To you women,: cease from [[resentment]] toward the [[male]] gender because the [[patriarchal]] society was an evolutionary [[necessity]] in order to develop [[civilization]]. While it was [[oppressive]] in large measure, like [[war]], it was a [[transition]] phase. Both men and women are [[victims]] in an unequal [[relationship]]. So let go of any [[anger]] toward the male gender, realizing that both female and male have been victimized. At the same time keep in mind the evolutionary [[necessity]] of these [[transition]] stages.
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===='''''[[Light and Life]]'''''====
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My [[friends]], we are on the cusp of the beginning of spiritual [[Spring]]time. We are moving into the faintest [[dawn]] of [[Light and Life]]. The [[rays]] are [[touching]] the tops of the trees, the rays of the sun of Light and Life. You are most fortunate, my dear friends, for you live in a [[time]] that all other times before have yearned for. Yours is a great time in [[history]] and you are the [[frontrunners]]. Oh, yes, many are those who are [[responding]] to [[Spirit]] [[direction]], even as you have [[discussed]]. You will see this [[phenomenon]] growing more strongly.
  
My friends, we are on the cusp of the beginning of spiritual Springtime. We are moving into the faintest dawn of Light and Life. The rays are touching the tops of the trees, the rays of the sun of Light and Life. You are most fortunate, my dear friends, for you live in a time that all other times before have yearned for. Yours is a great time in history and you are the frontrunners. Oh, yes, many are those who are responding to Spirit direction, even as you have discussed. You will see this phenomenon growing more strongly.
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My dears, I appreciate your [[attentiveness]]. I thank Daniel, my [[partner]], for allowing me to present this evening. He has offered to chair your questions and comments. I give you my brother, Daniel. One moment please.
  
My dears, I appreciate your attentiveness. I thank Daniel, my partner, for allowing me to present this evening. He has offered to chair your questions and comments. I give you my brother, Daniel. One moment please.
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Daniel(Bill): Hello, my friends, I am Daniel, your co-teacher, [[guide]], and friend. I [[appreciate]] very much Alana's excellent [[description]] of [[relationships]] between [[men]] and [[women]]. Now, I will host any comments or questions. Alana will respond if you address them to her. The floor is yours.
 
 
Daniel(Bill): Hello, my friends, I am Daniel, your co-teacher, guide, and friend. I appreciate very much Alana's excellent description of relationships between men and women. Now, I will host any comments or questions. Alana will respond if you address them to her. The floor is yours.
 
 
===Dialogue===
 
===Dialogue===
Bob Divine: The question is, the view of gender disparity, is it kind of a generational one? That would be one part, as it seems like...there probably is sexism, I know that, but it seems that some of the younger generation today..matter of fact, I guess, that it never enters into my head. Maybe I am more sexist than I think, and I don't think about it. But...as a matter of fact, most of my best friends in the world are women, and the people I feel most comfortable talking to about things. I am just wondering about the gender in the generational sense. Then, personally, just an understanding of maybe if there is hidden sexism that you don't even think about what you are doing a lot of the times, but you're totally oblivious. It is easy to joke about being sexist, but in the reality sense, I would like to know more about that for myself, personally.
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===='''''[[Sexism]]'''''====
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Bob Devine: The question is, the view of [[gender]] [[disparity]], is it kind of a [[generational]] one? That would be one part, as it seems like...there probably is [[sexism]], I know that, but it seems that some of the [[Youth|younger generation]] today..matter of fact, I guess, that it never enters into my head. Maybe I am more sexist than I think, and I don't think about it. But...as a matter of fact, most of my best friends in the world are [[women]], and the people I feel most comfortable talking to about things. I am just wondering about the [[gender]] in the generational sense. Then, personally, just an [[understanding]] of maybe if there is hidden sexism that you don't even think about what you are doing a lot of the times, but you're totally oblivious. It is easy to joke about being sexist, but in the [[reality]] sense, I would like to know more about that for myself, personally.
  
Alana(Bill): This is Alana. Greetings, dear brother. There are several levels to your questions. I would say first of all that there is a generational difference, yes, for the younger generations are much more egalitarian. Much of the inequality between the sexes is being addressed in the United States, and some other countries. But this is limited somewhat by culture, for in some Moslem countries woman are under attack and forced to go back to the most rigid and severe bondage as a reaction against the gradual evolutionary changes. So it depends on what part of the globe you are referring to. I know you were referring to your immediate experience.
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Alana(Bill): This is Alana. Greetings, dear brother. There are several levels to your [[questions]]. I would say first of all that there is a [[generational]] [[difference]], yes, for the [[Youth|younger generations]] are much more [[egalitarian]]. Much of the inequality between the sexes is being addressed in the United States, and some other countries. But this is limited somewhat by [[culture]], for in some [[Muslim]] countries woman are under [[attack]] and forced to go back to the most rigid and severe [[bondage]] as a [[reaction]] against the [[gradual]] evolutionary [[changes]]. So it depends on what part of the globe you are referring to. I know you were referring to your immediate [[experience]].
  
With respect to unconscious sexism, the answer is that, of course, there are unconscious sexist actions which are not intended at all, but are merely the result of cultural habits which you have picked up in your 30+ years of living. I am not desirous of, or in a position to make judgments about you personally. I am making this as a general statement of all members of the male gender in this culture. You are all in a stage of transition. The important thing I was trying to convey to you was that the equality of the male and female is far greater than simple role balancing, but has to do with the duality of male/female, who, while being quite different from one another, are much more effective as a complimentary whole.
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With respect to [[unconscious]] [[sexism]], the answer is that, of course, there are unconscious sexist [[actions]] which are not intended at all, but are merely the result of cultural [[habits]] which you have picked up in your 30+ years of living. I am not desirous of, or in a position to make [[judgments]] about you personally. I am making this as a general [[statement]] of all members of the [[male]] gender in this [[culture]]. You are all in a [[stage]] of [[transition]]. The important thing I was trying to convey to you was that the [[equality]] of the male and female is far greater than [[simple]] role balancing, but has to do with the [[duality]] of male/female, who, while being quite different from one another, are much more effective as a [[complementary]] whole.
  
I realize that some men have chivalrous attitudes toward women and they have these attitudes without any of the conscious condescension that some women feel when they are treated with deference. It is a problem, especially for one who feels they are being chivalrous towards women, and that women should appreciate their generosity, i.e. as in holding a door open, for example, or walking on the outside of the sidewalk so the garbage being thrown out the windows, three hundred years ago, will fall upon the male member, rather than the female. All of these things are in transition.
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I realize that some men have [[chivalrous]] [[attitudes]] toward women and they have these attitudes without any of the conscious [[condescension]] that some women feel when they are treated with [[deference]]. It is a [[problem]], especially for one who feels they are being chivalrous towards women, and that women should [[appreciate]] their [[generosity]], i.e. as in holding a door open, for example, or walking on the outside of the sidewalk so the garbage being thrown out the windows, three hundred years ago, will fall upon the male member, rather than the female. All of these things are in [[transition]].
  
The best approach to truly being a "non-sexist" person is to focus on the spiritual equality, and then recognize the richness of the dual balance. Does this respond to your comments?
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The best approach to truly being a "non-sexist" person is to [[focus]] on the [[spiritual]] [[equality]], and then recognize the richness of the dual [[balance]]. Does this respond to your comments?
  
Bob: Yeah, it does. I am curious as a follow up, the idea....sometimes I am a little frustrated by . ..having no...it's like when you...I am doing this for myself, cause my mind is for personal growth, so I am not talking about society. I am talking about my own approach to things and what I have witnessed. Sometimes I have found that when looking for insight or opinion from someone of the opposite sex that they often are more hesitant in offering their point of view, as though it doesn't really matter or that.... I can see that as cultural conditioning, sexism in the reverse sense, that....It is sometimes like I want information from people. If I ask my wife, "Where shall we go for dinner?" And it is always my decision. Certain things like, "Whatever you think, dear". It's like you want that equality but sometimes there isn't that.....? I wondered if you could comment on that.
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Bob: Yeah, it does. I am curious as a follow up, the [[idea]]....sometimes I am a little [[frustrated]] by . ..having no...it's like when you...I am doing this for myself, cause my [[mind]] is for [[personal growth]], so I am not talking about [[society]]. I am talking about my own approach to things and what I have [[witnessed]]. Sometimes I have found that when looking for [[insight]] or [[opinion]] from someone of the opposite sex that they often are more [[hesitant]] in offering their point of view, as though it doesn't really matter or that.... I can see that as cultural conditioning, [[sexism]] in the reverse sense, that....It is sometimes like I want [[information]] from people. If I ask my [[wife]], "Where shall we go for dinner?" And it is always my [[decision]]. Certain things like, "Whatever you think, dear". It's like you want that [[equality]] but sometimes there isn't that.....? I wondered if you could comment on that.
  
Alana: Yes. It isn't necessarily a bad thing in a marriage when one person is given deference in certain areas of expertise. I cannot say for sure, but perhaps your spouse feels that you are more of a expert in the area of . .
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Alana: Yes. It isn't necessarily a bad thing in a [[marriage]] when one person is given [[deference]] in certain areas of expertise. I cannot say for sure, but perhaps your [[spouse]] feels that you are more of a expert in the area of . .
  
Bob: Food?
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Bob: [[Food]]?
  
Alana: . ...food; that it is more important to you than it is to her. Again, this is just a guess on my part. So in some marriages there is this difference in roles where, let us say, the wife, coming from a traditional background has been trained and really enjoys cooking. There must be both factors, not merely the training, but the pleasure in providing food. The husband, in this hypothetical example, has no training in preparing food, and not much interest in it. This is not a difficult partnership, for both parties are satisfied with that arrangement. In this same marriage, coming from a traditional background, the husband is more familiar with mechanical things and so assumes responsibility for the maintenance of the automobiles and other machinery that the wife has no interest in. However, as times change, there are women who are very interested in mechanical things and men who are very interested in cooking. Some men always have been, as the chefs in France.
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Alana: . ...food; that it is more important to you than it is to her. Again, this is just a guess on my part. So in some [[marriages]] there is this [[difference]] in [[roles]] where, let us say, the [[wife]], coming from a [[traditional]] background has been [[trained]] and really enjoys cooking. There must be both factors, not merely the training, but the [[pleasure]] in providing food. The husband, in this hypothetical example, has no training in preparing food, and not much interest in it. This is not a [[difficult]] [[partnership]], for both parties are [[satisfied]] with that arrangement. In this same marriage, coming from a traditional background, the husband is more familiar with [[mechanical]] things and so assumes [[responsibility]] for the [[maintenance]] of the automobiles and other machinery that the wife has no interest in. However, as times change, there are women who are very interested in mechanical things and men who are very interested in cooking. Some men always have been, as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chef chefs in France].
  
These things are there to work out. Again, the principle is, respect the other person and do not require of that other person that they do as you do, whether or not they want to, you see. To force an unwilling husband to cook every other night, to give a balance in a marriage, as some couples have done, would be a mistake. However, that husband might develop a real interest and pleasure in cooking, so it is hard to say.
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These things are there to work out. Again, the [[principle]] is, respect the other person and do not require of that other person that they do as you do, whether or not they want to, you see. To [[force]] an unwilling [[husband]] to cook every other night, to give a [[balance]] in a [[marriage]], as some couples have done, would be a mistake. However, that husband might develop a real interest and [[pleasure]] in cooking, so it is hard to say.
  
Bob: I understand the common concept that you are trying to relate tonight, honoring of dignity.
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Bob: I understand the common concept that you are trying to relate tonight, [[honoring]] of [[dignity]].
  
 
Alana: That's right.
 
Alana: That's right.
  
Bob: . ...and not insisting on her going to have to choose where we will go to dinner. That would be me trying to force her with my dignity, or force upon her my desire for her to choose a place.
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Bob: . ...and not insisting on her going to have to [[choose]] where we will go to dinner. That would be me trying to [[force]] her with my dignity, or force upon her my desire for her to choose a place.
  
 
Alana: That's correct.
 
Alana: That's correct.
  
Bob: So, I do understand that. I know this could be a long discussion, so I will limit my comments. (Group assent)Alana: I would like to remind you of one other factor, again referring to concepts in the Urantia Book Men and women will never fully understand each other. The word is fully understand each other. It is not meant to be an excuse to not attempt the understanding. But it is a realistic limitation and you do not need to seek out other men or women, as the case may be, to complain about this communication gap. That is a lessor coping mechanism. The better way is to express your misunderstandings and struggle in the process to relate and understand each other more completely.
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Bob: So, I do understand that. I know this could be a long [[discussion]], so I will limit my comments. (Group assent)
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===='''''[[Difference]]'''''====
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Alana: I would like to remind you of one other [[factor]], again referring to concepts in the [[Urantia Book]], men and women will never fully [[understand]] each other. ([[84:5|84:5.13]]) The word is ''fully'' understand each other. It is not meant to be an excuse to not attempt the understanding. But it is a realistic [[limitation]] and you do not need to seek out other men or women, as the case may be, to [[complain]] about this [[communication]] gap. That is a lesser coping mechanism. The better way is to [[express]] your misunderstandings and [[struggle]] in the [[process]] to relate and understand each other more completely.
  
Remember, my friends, even though you have some propensity toward thought sharing, you are not perfect mind readers. You still need to express things verbally or nonverbally in a way to communicate with the other person. At the same time the other person needs to practice the skills of listening. We will pursue these topics in the future. I believe now we have completed our time together and Daniel will take the reins back. He has allowed more time for discussion. Just a moment, please.
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Remember, my [[friends]], even though you have some propensity toward [[thought]] [[sharing]], you are not perfect mind readers. You still need to express things verbally or nonverbally in a way to [[communicate]] with the other person. At the same time the other person needs to [[practice]] the skills of [[listening]]. We will pursue these [[topics]] in the [[future]]. I believe now we have completed our time together and Daniel will take the reins back. He has allowed more time for [[discussion]]. Just a moment, please.
  
Daniel(Bill): Yes, thank you, Alana. I believe there are other concerns.
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Daniel(Bill): Yes, thank you, Alana. I [[believe]] there are other concerns.
  
 
Lori: Is that you, Daniel?
 
Lori: Is that you, Daniel?
  
Daniel: Yes, my dear. I am Daniel, your friend. Lori: I have a question or comment, whatever it turns out to be. It's so easy to get caught up in the struggle because of the inherent differences between male and female personalities. It seems like the older I get, the more I realize how big these differences really are. I don't know where I was before, but I didn't seem to notice it as much as I do now. So, what I am looking for is some guidance on how to shift the focus from the differences to more easily see the greatness of the duality when it happens to conjoin.
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Daniel: Yes, my dear. I am Daniel, your friend.  
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Lori: I have a question or comment, whatever it turns out to be. It's so easy to get caught up in the [[struggle]] because of the inherent [[differences]] between [[male]] and [[female]] [[personalities]]. It seems like the older I get, the more I realize how big these differences really are. I don't know where I was before, but I didn't seem to notice it as much as I do now. So, what I am looking for is some [[guidance]] on how to shift the focus from the differences to more easily see the [[greatness]] of the [[duality]] when it happens to conjoin.
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Daniel: This is Daniel, continuing. I will take your [[question]], Lori. It is a very important question.
  
Daniel: This is Daniel, continuing. I will take your question, Lori. It is a very important question.
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First of all, let me [[caution]] you that you do not resolve the [[struggle]] by putting it aside, anymore than you solve any problem by avoiding it. So, the issues of back and forth struggle will remain. What needs to be done is to enlarge the [[picture]] to see the whole [[unity]] of [[duality]]. We are talking about duality in unity and not simply duality in oppositional [[confrontation]].
  
First of all, let me caution you that you do not resolve the struggle by putting it aside, anymore than you solve any problem by avoiding it. So, the issues of back and forth struggle will remain. What needs to be done is to enlarge the picture to see the whole unity of duality. We are talking about duality in unity and not simply duality in oppositional confrontation.
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Lori: I knew that.
  
Lori: I knew that.Daniel: It is important, because sometimes in the struggle you emotionally forget that there is this larger reality. So, one of the most important ways to keep this in mind is to continue to bring these things into your prayer time, your stillness time; to ask for guidance; to ask for compassion; to ask for understanding; to ask for patience, tolerance, forgiveness, and always that love that is born of true respect for the spiritual dignity of the other person.
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Daniel: It is important, because sometimes in the struggle you emotionally forget that there is this larger [[reality]]. So, one of the most important ways to keep this in mind is to continue to bring these things into your [[prayer]] time, your [[stillness]] time; to ask for [[guidance]]; to ask for [[compassion]]; to ask for [[understanding]]; to ask for patience, [[tolerance]], [[forgiveness]], and always that love that is born of true [[respect]] for the spiritual [[dignity]] of the other person.
  
You have in your culture an aversion to dissimilarity, but not you personally for you are a very creative person who embraces diversity. But diversity is not a value that is accepted across the culture. It is professed, but it is not truly accepted. The reason is that diversity involves an enlarged understanding. It involves constant growth and change. Another thing you are addressing in your comments is the fact that as personal beings you are constantly growing with experience; and while you think you may know another person, that person's habits and thoughts are undergoing change as well. That's why no one can predict the outcome of freewill decisions in another person, mortal or celestial. Your self discovery is always incomplete. Your knowledge of another person is always incomplete. So there is no magic wand to wave, no easy answer, for it is a constant interaction in a relationship which is intense in a marriage, but is there in every other personal relationship as well. Have I assisted you, or do you wish to discuss this further?
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You have in your [[culture]] an [[aversion]] to dissimilarity, but not you personally for you are a very [[creative]] person who embraces [[diversity]]. But diversity is not a [[value]] that is accepted across the culture. It is professed, but it is not truly [[accepted]]. The reason is that diversity involves an enlarged [[understanding]]. It involves constant [[growth]] and [[change]]. Another thing you are addressing in your comments is the [[fact]] that as personal beings you are constantly growing with [[experience]]; and while you think you may know another person, that person's [[habits]] and [[thoughts]] are undergoing change as well. That's why no one can [[predict]] the outcome of [[freewill]] decisions in another person, mortal or [[celestial]]. Your [[self]] [[discovery]] is always incomplete. Your [[knowledge]] of another person is always incomplete. So there is no [[magic]] [[wand]] to wave, no easy answer, for it is a constant [[interaction]] in a relationship which is [[intense]] in a [[marriage]], but is there in every other personal relationship as well. Have I assisted you, or do you wish to discuss this further?
  
Lori: That's very helpful; and I just have one other question. Is the desire for someone to be like you an ego driven desire or is it something that is a cultural response? Is it something that you have learned, because when we talk about how diversity isn't really accepted, it kind of boils down to people want people to be like them. If you take that to a personal level you want your partner to be like you, because wouldn't that be easy? (Laughter) Is that a cultural thing or is it ego?
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Lori: That's very helpful; and I just have one other question. Is the [[desire]] for someone to be like you an [[ego]] driven desire or is it something that is a cultural response? Is it something that you have learned, because when we talk about how [[diversity]] isn't really [[accepted]], it kind of boils down to people want people to be like them. If you take that to a personal level you want your [[partner]] to be like you, because wouldn't that be easy? ([[Laughter]]) Is that a cultural thing or is it [[ego]]?
  
Daniel: It is a very complex question that you ask. There are aspects that are cultural, but the wisdom is that "birds of a feather, flock together" It is easier to relate to someone with whom you have common interests and values. This is not merely an ego thing but is of the essence of the reality of your personal nature. You have a spiritual connection with someone who values the same thing you do and who is headed in the same direction. It is a natural affinity. As to having the same interests in terms of activities, this blends into this value thing. So, again, it is a natural thing. It is not natural to the animal nature to accept and tolerate very different people.
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Daniel: It is a very [[complex]] question that you ask. There are aspects that are [[cultural]], but the wisdom is that "birds of a feather, flock together" It is easier to relate to someone with whom you have common interests and [[values]]. This is not merely an [[ego]] thing but is of the [[essence]] of the [[reality]] of your personal nature. You have a [[spiritual]] [[connection]] with someone who values the same thing you do and who is headed in the same direction. It is a natural [[affinity]]. As to having the same interests in terms of [[activities]], this blends into this value thing. So, again, it is a natural thing. It is not natural to the [[animal nature]] to [[accept]] and [[tolerate]] very [[different]] people.
  
This process of learning to accept diversity, my friends, has just barely begun for you. Just wait till you get the constellations! (Laughter) Even on Jerusum, from the many inhabited planets there are varieties of individuals who vary somewhat. There is a universe full of beings who share common spiritual values with you and spiritual dignity, but not necessarily Thought Adjusters. Still they have spiritual dignity because they are person and they are brothers and sisters in God's great universal family. No, this is not something that comes naturally. It is something that you will learn and struggle with. However, as you go on, it becomes easier. It becomes easier. The mortal life is unique. It is bedrock bottom. There is so much to be learned here. I say this with all generosity that you are all wonderful students and you are making great progress. Is there another pressing question?
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This [[process]] of learning to [[accept]] [[diversity]], my friends, has just barely begun for you. Just wait till you get [[the constellation]]s! (Laughter) Even on [[Jerusem]], from the many [[inhabited planets]] there are varieties of individuals who vary somewhat. There is a universe full of beings who share common [[spiritual]] [[values]] with you and spiritual [[dignity]], but not necessarily [[Thought Adjusters]]. Still they have spiritual dignity because they are person and they are brothers and sisters in God's great [[universal family]]. No, this is not something that comes naturally. It is something that you will learn and struggle with. However, as you go on, it becomes easier. It becomes easier. The [[mortal]] life is unique. It is bedrock bottom. There is so much to be learned here. I say this with all [[generosity]] that you are all wonderful [[students]] and you are making great [[progress]]. Is there another pressing question?
  
Virginia: Yes, Daniel, there is. In the comments you made to answer this question and reflecting on the first question about whether or not it was a generation gap, I believe that young women, today, are caught up in trying to do the activities that will please the gentleman that is courting them. All of a sudden they are interested in mountain bikes or they are into rock climbing. I just feel that my generation had a lot more traditional female roles to play. But I also believe that the young women of today, who are eager to please the male, become what that male wants or is doing. I know that is a generalized statement and is not true across the board. But I believe that the majority of young women are out there pleasing the male, instead of pleasing themselves. I guess my question is, am I observing this, or is it a prejudice that I have?
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Virginia: Yes, Daniel, there is. In the comments you made to answer this [[question]] and [[reflecting]] on the first question about whether or not it was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_gap generation gap], I believe that young women, today, are caught up in trying to do the activities that will please the gentleman that is [[courting]] them. All of a sudden they are interested in mountain bikes or they are into [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_climbing rock climbing]. I just feel that my generation had a lot more [[traditional]] female [[roles]] to play. But I also believe that the young women of today, who are [[eager]] to please the male, become what that male wants or is doing. I know that is a generalized [[statement]] and is not true across the board. But I believe that the [[majority]] of young women are out there pleasing the male, instead of pleasing themselves. I guess my question is, am I observing this, or is it a [[prejudice]] that I have?
  
Daniel: Both. (Laughter) It is both, my dear, because, as you say, it is a generalization. It is also true, sometimes, that men try to please women and undertake tasks that the women wish them to do. However, I would have to agree with you that the majority are going in the other direction, attempting to please men. I say both because it has to be partly a prejudice, for what else can you do but judge from your experience? I believe these usual activities in common are another transition in your progress. In a perfectly balanced relationship it is possible for each partner to have their own activities that the other person gives their blessing to, but is not required to assist them with. It is also true that the more things you have in common, which are really meaningful activities, that are on the spiritual level, service activities and worship, rather than just sports or hobbies, when you have these things in common, this tends to solidify the two partner. Have I addressed this to your satisfaction?
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Daniel: Both. (Laughter) It is both, my dear, because, as you say, it is a generalization. It is also true, sometimes, that men try to please women and undertake tasks that the women wish them to do. However, I would have to [[agree]] with you that the [[majority]] are going in the other [[direction]], attempting to please men. I say both because it has to be partly a [[prejudice]], for what else can you do but judge from your [[experience]]? I believe these usual activities in common are another [[transition]] in your [[progress]]. In a perfectly balanced [[relationship]] it is possible for each partner to have their own [[activities]] that the other person gives their [[blessing]] to, but is not required to [[assist]] them with. It is also true that the more things you have in common, which are really meaningful activities, that are on the spiritual level, [[service]] activities and [[worship]], rather than just sports or [[hobbies]], when you have these things in common, this tends to solidify the two partners. Have I addressed this to your [[satisfaction]]?
  
 
Virginia:: Yes, you have, Daniel.
 
Virginia:: Yes, you have, Daniel.
  
You were talking about diversity in the universe, the Grand Universe and the fact that we are all walking toward one direction, to do the will of God. I think this is true in our relationships. The basic value of wanting to do the will of God is a cement in our relationships.
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You were talking about [[diversity]] in [[the universe]], the Grand Universe and the fact that we are all walking toward one [[direction]], to [[do the will of God]]. I think this is true in our [[relationships]]. The basic [[value]] of wanting to do the will of God is a cement in our [[relationships]].
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Daniel: You and Isaac do have this tremendous [[bond]]. I fully agree with your [[assessment]]. With these words of [[wisdom]] that you have just spoken I will conclude this [[meeting]]. This is, after all, the fundamental [[unity]] that both [[partners]] experience in desiring to [[do the will of God]]: they will see each other as brother and sister, as [[yin and yang]], as [[male]] and [[female]] and as one moving toward the [[future]] of a more complete and illustrious career in [[Paradise]] [[ascension]].
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Thank you for [[listening]] to both Alana and me. Now I request that you all stand again, holding hands. Minearisa is [[desiring]] to close our time [[together]], even as he opened it. One moment please.
  
Daniel: You and Isaac do have this tremendous bond. I fully agree with your assessment. With these words of wisdom that you have just spoken I will conclude this meeting. This is, after all, the fundamental unity that both partners experience in desiring to do the will of God: they will see each other as brother and sister, as yin and yang, as male and female and as one moving toward the future of a more complete and illustrious career in Paradise ascension. Thank you for listening to both Alana and me. Now I request that you all stand again, holding hands. Minearisa is desiring to close our time together, even as he opened it. One moment please.
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Minearisa: We raise our arms to you, Christ Michael, and Nebadonia, our divine Parents. May your will be done on this planet. May we today give our entire dedication to this project. Bless these my mortal friends, that they may be strengthened by the Spirit in their inner being and walk with joy and spiritual power the road of life. Amen.
 
  
 
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Topic: Men Women Duality

Group: Pocatello TeaM

Facilitators

Teacher: Daniel, Alana, Minearisa

TR: Bill K.

Session

Opening

Opening Prayer: Minearisa(Bill): May the light within you glow brightly, brighter and brighter, so that it transcends the limitations of your animal nature. Let your mind be the mind of Christ Michael. Whenever you are in need, trade your mind for Christ Michael's. My friends, let us pray.

O Light within each of us, Thou divine Spirit, we worship the Central Shining on Paradise and we worship Your presence in each of these mortals. May they learn to respect that God nature which is theirs and is their brothers' and sisters'. Tonight, may words that we speak come through with conviction, with the aroma of profound truth, and the perfume of divine love. So be it. Amen.

Alana(Bill): Greetings, my children, my dear friends, I am Alana. Hello, again. I have been at your meetings, but I have not been given the opportunity to speak with you, once again. The heart room construct, that I have been teaching, is not the only thing that concerns me. It is intended that I assist Daniel and Minearisa with this curriculum on relationships. For you see, my friends, there can be no adequate discussion of relationships without the male and female aspects. Indeed, you have been without a female teacher, except for your personal teachers who are of that gender. I am here tonight to let you know that I will be an integral part of this co-teaching process.

The matter of priorities has been addressed with full adequacy by Minearisa in the prior meeting so that you understand that relationship is essential to Deity. It is essential to universe reality. It is not possible to have a personal existence without embracing relationships with other personal beings.

Lesson

Duality, Gender

Tonight I again introduce the concept of duality as it is understood in the seven Superuiniverses. Duality is of the essence of the time/space universes as they are created by a Creator Son and Creative Daughter. The two of them, our divine Parents, set the structure for the fabric of the Superuniverses. Duality is not an option, it is a necessity, for the universes partake of the nature of their Creators. Likewise, in the Central Universe, a Triune God is manifest even in the substance of the material basis of that perfect and central creation. But in the Superuniverses duality reflects the Creators in their essential nature. As it filters down from the Creator Son and Mother Spirit all the way to the level of mortality, so you are born male and female. Without the opposite aspects of duality there would be incompleteness. This is why your text tells you that a man and a woman can accomplish more than either two men or two women can do. Ah, the mystery of the relationship between a man and a woman! What a subject to discourse on!

Let me begin by saying that the relationship between a man and a woman has to be one of full equality or it is not a fully functional relationship. On this planet, as you well know, the male sex has the dominance, at least a majority of the time, and this imbalance has resulted in dysfunctional relationships between men and women. The time has come on this evolutionary world for this imbalance to be redressed. Wherever there is the predominance of one gender over the other, the intention of the universe creators is thwarted.

This equality of dignity status does not mean the sameness of role function, however. Male and female are truly different, almost, indeed, two different species, although that is not quite correct. Maleness and femaleness are apples and oranges. Both are fruit, but they are very different. In a functional and healthy relationship between men and women each partner, in that relationship, recognizes the assets of the other. Each partner gives that other person their full due for the abilities and propensities of temperament and types of thinking that are unique to that gender. For women to assume that equality with men means to do a man's job with a man's approach is a fallacy and is a major problem in your society at this time. Because of the inequality of the past, women are struggling to gain what they believe to be their rights; when, in fact, what they need to understand is that they have equal dignity, but their rights are different, even as a man's rights are different from a woman's. I realize that this information is in the Urantia Book, but not all hearers of the transcripts have read that book; and, indeed, it is a textbook. We, teachers, are here to apply its teachings to your everyday lives.

The ideal relationship of man and woman is fully democratic in regard to decision making. Neither partner has the right to usurp the opinion of the other. When you force your point of view on the other person, whether you be the male or the female, you are in violation of dignity status. Consequently, when you allow yourself to be forced, you are in violation of your own dignity status. Both persons need to be assertive, democratic, and respectful of each other.

It is in the partnership, molded after the Adamic display, that the family takes its healthy growth pattern. The ideal family should reflect the dignity of each family member so that even the children are allowed a voice in family decision making. This is the best procedure. That does not mean that children have the same wisdom, experience, and authority that the parents do, but their wishes should be considered. If they are appropriate, they should be put into the mix of family decision making. For you men, I have these words. Do not consider that you are giving equality to your female partners. You do not have that power. You are recognizing that other person in her full dignity status; you are not conferring that status upon her. To you women,: cease from resentment toward the male gender because the patriarchal society was an evolutionary necessity in order to develop civilization. While it was oppressive in large measure, like war, it was a transition phase. Both men and women are victims in an unequal relationship. So let go of any anger toward the male gender, realizing that both female and male have been victimized. At the same time keep in mind the evolutionary necessity of these transition stages.

Light and Life

My friends, we are on the cusp of the beginning of spiritual Springtime. We are moving into the faintest dawn of Light and Life. The rays are touching the tops of the trees, the rays of the sun of Light and Life. You are most fortunate, my dear friends, for you live in a time that all other times before have yearned for. Yours is a great time in history and you are the frontrunners. Oh, yes, many are those who are responding to Spirit direction, even as you have discussed. You will see this phenomenon growing more strongly.

My dears, I appreciate your attentiveness. I thank Daniel, my partner, for allowing me to present this evening. He has offered to chair your questions and comments. I give you my brother, Daniel. One moment please.

Daniel(Bill): Hello, my friends, I am Daniel, your co-teacher, guide, and friend. I appreciate very much Alana's excellent description of relationships between men and women. Now, I will host any comments or questions. Alana will respond if you address them to her. The floor is yours.

Dialogue

Sexism

Bob Devine: The question is, the view of gender disparity, is it kind of a generational one? That would be one part, as it seems like...there probably is sexism, I know that, but it seems that some of the younger generation today..matter of fact, I guess, that it never enters into my head. Maybe I am more sexist than I think, and I don't think about it. But...as a matter of fact, most of my best friends in the world are women, and the people I feel most comfortable talking to about things. I am just wondering about the gender in the generational sense. Then, personally, just an understanding of maybe if there is hidden sexism that you don't even think about what you are doing a lot of the times, but you're totally oblivious. It is easy to joke about being sexist, but in the reality sense, I would like to know more about that for myself, personally.

Alana(Bill): This is Alana. Greetings, dear brother. There are several levels to your questions. I would say first of all that there is a generational difference, yes, for the younger generations are much more egalitarian. Much of the inequality between the sexes is being addressed in the United States, and some other countries. But this is limited somewhat by culture, for in some Muslim countries woman are under attack and forced to go back to the most rigid and severe bondage as a reaction against the gradual evolutionary changes. So it depends on what part of the globe you are referring to. I know you were referring to your immediate experience.

With respect to unconscious sexism, the answer is that, of course, there are unconscious sexist actions which are not intended at all, but are merely the result of cultural habits which you have picked up in your 30+ years of living. I am not desirous of, or in a position to make judgments about you personally. I am making this as a general statement of all members of the male gender in this culture. You are all in a stage of transition. The important thing I was trying to convey to you was that the equality of the male and female is far greater than simple role balancing, but has to do with the duality of male/female, who, while being quite different from one another, are much more effective as a complementary whole.

I realize that some men have chivalrous attitudes toward women and they have these attitudes without any of the conscious condescension that some women feel when they are treated with deference. It is a problem, especially for one who feels they are being chivalrous towards women, and that women should appreciate their generosity, i.e. as in holding a door open, for example, or walking on the outside of the sidewalk so the garbage being thrown out the windows, three hundred years ago, will fall upon the male member, rather than the female. All of these things are in transition.

The best approach to truly being a "non-sexist" person is to focus on the spiritual equality, and then recognize the richness of the dual balance. Does this respond to your comments?

Bob: Yeah, it does. I am curious as a follow up, the idea....sometimes I am a little frustrated by . ..having no...it's like when you...I am doing this for myself, cause my mind is for personal growth, so I am not talking about society. I am talking about my own approach to things and what I have witnessed. Sometimes I have found that when looking for insight or opinion from someone of the opposite sex that they often are more hesitant in offering their point of view, as though it doesn't really matter or that.... I can see that as cultural conditioning, sexism in the reverse sense, that....It is sometimes like I want information from people. If I ask my wife, "Where shall we go for dinner?" And it is always my decision. Certain things like, "Whatever you think, dear". It's like you want that equality but sometimes there isn't that.....? I wondered if you could comment on that.

Alana: Yes. It isn't necessarily a bad thing in a marriage when one person is given deference in certain areas of expertise. I cannot say for sure, but perhaps your spouse feels that you are more of a expert in the area of . .

Bob: Food?

Alana: . ...food; that it is more important to you than it is to her. Again, this is just a guess on my part. So in some marriages there is this difference in roles where, let us say, the wife, coming from a traditional background has been trained and really enjoys cooking. There must be both factors, not merely the training, but the pleasure in providing food. The husband, in this hypothetical example, has no training in preparing food, and not much interest in it. This is not a difficult partnership, for both parties are satisfied with that arrangement. In this same marriage, coming from a traditional background, the husband is more familiar with mechanical things and so assumes responsibility for the maintenance of the automobiles and other machinery that the wife has no interest in. However, as times change, there are women who are very interested in mechanical things and men who are very interested in cooking. Some men always have been, as the chefs in France.

These things are there to work out. Again, the principle is, respect the other person and do not require of that other person that they do as you do, whether or not they want to, you see. To force an unwilling husband to cook every other night, to give a balance in a marriage, as some couples have done, would be a mistake. However, that husband might develop a real interest and pleasure in cooking, so it is hard to say.

Bob: I understand the common concept that you are trying to relate tonight, honoring of dignity.

Alana: That's right.

Bob: . ...and not insisting on her going to have to choose where we will go to dinner. That would be me trying to force her with my dignity, or force upon her my desire for her to choose a place.

Alana: That's correct.

Bob: So, I do understand that. I know this could be a long discussion, so I will limit my comments. (Group assent)

Difference

Alana: I would like to remind you of one other factor, again referring to concepts in the Urantia Book, men and women will never fully understand each other. (84:5.13) The word is fully understand each other. It is not meant to be an excuse to not attempt the understanding. But it is a realistic limitation and you do not need to seek out other men or women, as the case may be, to complain about this communication gap. That is a lesser coping mechanism. The better way is to express your misunderstandings and struggle in the process to relate and understand each other more completely.

Remember, my friends, even though you have some propensity toward thought sharing, you are not perfect mind readers. You still need to express things verbally or nonverbally in a way to communicate with the other person. At the same time the other person needs to practice the skills of listening. We will pursue these topics in the future. I believe now we have completed our time together and Daniel will take the reins back. He has allowed more time for discussion. Just a moment, please.

Daniel(Bill): Yes, thank you, Alana. I believe there are other concerns.

Lori: Is that you, Daniel?

Daniel: Yes, my dear. I am Daniel, your friend.

Lori: I have a question or comment, whatever it turns out to be. It's so easy to get caught up in the struggle because of the inherent differences between male and female personalities. It seems like the older I get, the more I realize how big these differences really are. I don't know where I was before, but I didn't seem to notice it as much as I do now. So, what I am looking for is some guidance on how to shift the focus from the differences to more easily see the greatness of the duality when it happens to conjoin.

Daniel: This is Daniel, continuing. I will take your question, Lori. It is a very important question.

First of all, let me caution you that you do not resolve the struggle by putting it aside, anymore than you solve any problem by avoiding it. So, the issues of back and forth struggle will remain. What needs to be done is to enlarge the picture to see the whole unity of duality. We are talking about duality in unity and not simply duality in oppositional confrontation.

Lori: I knew that.

Daniel: It is important, because sometimes in the struggle you emotionally forget that there is this larger reality. So, one of the most important ways to keep this in mind is to continue to bring these things into your prayer time, your stillness time; to ask for guidance; to ask for compassion; to ask for understanding; to ask for patience, tolerance, forgiveness, and always that love that is born of true respect for the spiritual dignity of the other person.

You have in your culture an aversion to dissimilarity, but not you personally for you are a very creative person who embraces diversity. But diversity is not a value that is accepted across the culture. It is professed, but it is not truly accepted. The reason is that diversity involves an enlarged understanding. It involves constant growth and change. Another thing you are addressing in your comments is the fact that as personal beings you are constantly growing with experience; and while you think you may know another person, that person's habits and thoughts are undergoing change as well. That's why no one can predict the outcome of freewill decisions in another person, mortal or celestial. Your self discovery is always incomplete. Your knowledge of another person is always incomplete. So there is no magic wand to wave, no easy answer, for it is a constant interaction in a relationship which is intense in a marriage, but is there in every other personal relationship as well. Have I assisted you, or do you wish to discuss this further?

Lori: That's very helpful; and I just have one other question. Is the desire for someone to be like you an ego driven desire or is it something that is a cultural response? Is it something that you have learned, because when we talk about how diversity isn't really accepted, it kind of boils down to people want people to be like them. If you take that to a personal level you want your partner to be like you, because wouldn't that be easy? (Laughter) Is that a cultural thing or is it ego?

Daniel: It is a very complex question that you ask. There are aspects that are cultural, but the wisdom is that "birds of a feather, flock together" It is easier to relate to someone with whom you have common interests and values. This is not merely an ego thing but is of the essence of the reality of your personal nature. You have a spiritual connection with someone who values the same thing you do and who is headed in the same direction. It is a natural affinity. As to having the same interests in terms of activities, this blends into this value thing. So, again, it is a natural thing. It is not natural to the animal nature to accept and tolerate very different people.

This process of learning to accept diversity, my friends, has just barely begun for you. Just wait till you get the constellations! (Laughter) Even on Jerusem, from the many inhabited planets there are varieties of individuals who vary somewhat. There is a universe full of beings who share common spiritual values with you and spiritual dignity, but not necessarily Thought Adjusters. Still they have spiritual dignity because they are person and they are brothers and sisters in God's great universal family. No, this is not something that comes naturally. It is something that you will learn and struggle with. However, as you go on, it becomes easier. It becomes easier. The mortal life is unique. It is bedrock bottom. There is so much to be learned here. I say this with all generosity that you are all wonderful students and you are making great progress. Is there another pressing question?

Virginia: Yes, Daniel, there is. In the comments you made to answer this question and reflecting on the first question about whether or not it was a generation gap, I believe that young women, today, are caught up in trying to do the activities that will please the gentleman that is courting them. All of a sudden they are interested in mountain bikes or they are into rock climbing. I just feel that my generation had a lot more traditional female roles to play. But I also believe that the young women of today, who are eager to please the male, become what that male wants or is doing. I know that is a generalized statement and is not true across the board. But I believe that the majority of young women are out there pleasing the male, instead of pleasing themselves. I guess my question is, am I observing this, or is it a prejudice that I have?

Daniel: Both. (Laughter) It is both, my dear, because, as you say, it is a generalization. It is also true, sometimes, that men try to please women and undertake tasks that the women wish them to do. However, I would have to agree with you that the majority are going in the other direction, attempting to please men. I say both because it has to be partly a prejudice, for what else can you do but judge from your experience? I believe these usual activities in common are another transition in your progress. In a perfectly balanced relationship it is possible for each partner to have their own activities that the other person gives their blessing to, but is not required to assist them with. It is also true that the more things you have in common, which are really meaningful activities, that are on the spiritual level, service activities and worship, rather than just sports or hobbies, when you have these things in common, this tends to solidify the two partners. Have I addressed this to your satisfaction?

Virginia:: Yes, you have, Daniel.

You were talking about diversity in the universe, the Grand Universe and the fact that we are all walking toward one direction, to do the will of God. I think this is true in our relationships. The basic value of wanting to do the will of God is a cement in our relationships.

Closing

Daniel: You and Isaac do have this tremendous bond. I fully agree with your assessment. With these words of wisdom that you have just spoken I will conclude this meeting. This is, after all, the fundamental unity that both partners experience in desiring to do the will of God: they will see each other as brother and sister, as yin and yang, as male and female and as one moving toward the future of a more complete and illustrious career in Paradise ascension.

Thank you for listening to both Alana and me. Now I request that you all stand again, holding hands. Minearisa is desiring to close our time together, even as he opened it. One moment please.

Minearisa: We raise our arms to you, Christ Michael, and Nebadonia, our divine Parents. May your will be done on this planet. May we today give our entire dedication to this project. Bless these my mortal friends, that they may be strengthened by the Spirit in their inner being and walk with joy and spiritual power the road of life. Amen.