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===Topic: ''Celestial Names''===

===Topic: ''Celestial Names''===

===Group: [[At Large]]===

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==Facilitators==

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===Teacher: [[Ahmoran]]===

===Teacher: [[Ahmoran]]===

But, yes, you too, by your own admission, have had lonely times. Most people have. And look at what the most recent [[lonely]] time has done for you! It has brought you even closer to Father, hasn't it? He loves to turn [[negative]] situations into [[positive]] ones, you see. You are the better for it, much better than you ever [[thought]] at the time it happened to you that it could ever be. There were times you were outside of the circle, so to speak, all humans were, as a matter of fact, but the Lord's [[tactics]] [[adopted]] them.

But, yes, you too, by your own admission, have had lonely times. Most people have. And look at what the most recent [[lonely]] time has done for you! It has brought you even closer to Father, hasn't it? He loves to turn [[negative]] situations into [[positive]] ones, you see. You are the better for it, much better than you ever [[thought]] at the time it happened to you that it could ever be. There were times you were outside of the circle, so to speak, all humans were, as a matter of fact, but the Lord's [[tactics]] [[adopted]] them.

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===='''''[[Names]]'''''====

Oliver: I am open for [[teacher contact]] and I am learning each day from our [[celestial]] and distinguished brothers and sisters.

Oliver: I am open for [[teacher contact]] and I am learning each day from our [[celestial]] and distinguished brothers and sisters.

The name issue with "a [[moron]]" started when a friend made light of your name, which was first understood as "Ah Moron". I [[imagined]] that, when this [[truth]]-seeking friend found your name [[curious]], those others, who are still doubters, would have your name as a [[barrier]] to what you have to [[communicate]] in the future. I first kidded you about it, but last time I explained my [[motivation]] more exactly. From my public-relations [[perspective]], your name is a [[disaster]]. However, having said that, I admit readily that I am [[confused]]. On the one hand teachers have played down the importance of [[names]] to us. We were basically told that since we relate to names and need them for building [[relationships]], the [[celestial teachers]] and guides graciously give us names that we can relate to. And when we receive them incorrectly, they do not readily correct them and let us just use the name as is.

The name issue with "a moron" started when a friend made light of your name, which was first understood as "Ah Moron". I [[imagined]] that, when this [[truth]]-seeking friend found your name [[curious]], those others, who are still doubters, would have your name as a [[barrier]] to what you have to [[communicate]] in the future. I first kidded you about it, but last time I explained my [[motivation]] more exactly. From my public-relations [[perspective]], your name is a [[disaster]]. However, having said that, I admit readily that I am [[confused]]. On the one hand teachers have played down the importance of [[names]] to us. We were basically told that since we relate to names and need them for building [[relationships]], the [[celestial teachers]] and guides graciously give us names that we can relate to. And when we receive them incorrectly, they do not readily correct them and let us just use the name as is.

AHMORAN: This is true, Oliver, and [[contrary]] to what you may [[believe]] or [[understand]], when we give you the names to use, we give them to you as close as possible to the way they would sound or [[vibrate]] to you. Remember, though that these are spiritual vibrations and not [[linguistic]] sounds as you understand them. You can only get a partial [[understanding]] or sense of what they are, do or mean.

AHMORAN: This is true, Oliver, and [[contrary]] to what you may [[believe]] or [[understand]], when we give you the names to use, we give them to you as close as possible to the way they would sound or [[vibrate]] to you. Remember, though that these are spiritual vibrations and not [[linguistic]] sounds as you understand them. You can only get a partial [[understanding]] or sense of what they are, do or mean.

Oliver: I remember Jim struggling with getting your precise [[name]]. I believe he went through [[different]] spellings? Then he requested a verification from another [[T/R]]. And what I also remember, he never [[received]] the all-okay from any teacher.

Oliver: I remember Jim struggling with getting your precise [[name]]. I believe he went through [[different]] spellings? Then he requested a verification from another [[T/R]]. And what I also remember, he never [[received]] the all-okay from any teacher.

AHMORAN: Let the [[record]] be set straight: he did get the verification he needed. Remember, I'm the one that made him make the [[effort]] to search and find my name. That took [[faith]], and it was used to build his faith, much the same way the [[Adjuster]] sent him on a hunt to understand [another celestial name], and to [[concentrate]] on the message, not the messenger. I would say that the same lesson would be good for you to learn, too, my friend. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan Marshall McLuhan] was not entirely correct. The [[medium]] is not always the [[message]]. The truth remains true, no matter how you have acquired it.

AHMORAN: Let the [[record]] be set straight: he did get the verification he needed. Remember, I'm the one that made him make the [[effort]] to search and find my name. That took [[faith]], and it was used to build his faith, much the same way the [[Adjuster]] sent him on a hunt to understand [another celestial name], and to [[concentrate]] on the message, not the messenger. I would say that the same lesson would be good for you to learn, too, my friend. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan Marshall McLuhan] was not entirely correct. The [[medium]] is not always the [[message]]. The truth remains true, no matter how you have acquired it.

Oliver: I [[believe]] that we have some leeway here-that it is early enough to [[change]] your name, before you have your own [[Internet]] pages and your first books published, Ahmoron.

Oliver: I [[believe]] that we have some leeway here-that it is early enough to [[change]] your name, before you have your own [[Internet]] pages and your first books published, Ahmoron.

I am not even at all certain about Ahbaron and Acronan. Andrea, I think it was, suggested for me to go to [[Legion]] and ask him again. He then spelled the name, but when I [[compared]] it with the other versions after the transmission, there was still one letter [[different]]. So, why did I not ask again?

I am not even at all certain about Ahbaron and Acronan. Andrea, I think it was, suggested for me to go to [[Legion]] and ask him again. He then spelled the name, but when I [[compared]] it with the other versions after the transmission, there was still one letter [[different]]. So, why did I not ask again?

AHMORAN: You were [[afraid]] of being wrong. Don't be. There is still just a little [[uncertainty]] in you. How will you ever know if you don't keep on asking, Oliver? Look here, Jim did screw up enough [[courage]] to contact another T/R who gave him my name. He is greatly relieved to know that she is [[enthusiastic]] and lovingly supportive of my name being used. And now you want me to [[change]] it, right? Will "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Bart_%28outlaw%29 Black Bart]" do? If your friends snicker, remember Jim did too, at first. If pronouncing is what bothers you, try and see how it sounds with the accent elsewhere. Or use an 'a' in place of the second 'o' when you pronounce it or the first one, or both! Or be [[creative]] and devise something else to help you. [[Remember]], we give the names for you to use. Jim stresses the first syllable, but I noticed the Spanish accent on the last part when you typed my name. Will that work for you?

AHMORAN: You were [[afraid]] of being wrong. Don't be. There is still just a little [[uncertainty]] in you. How will you ever know if you don't keep on asking, Oliver? Look here, Jim did screw up enough [[courage]] to contact another T/R who gave him my name. He is greatly relieved to know that she is [[enthusiastic]] and lovingly supportive of my name being used. And now you want me to [[change]] it, right? Will "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Bart_%28outlaw%29 Black Bart]" do? If your friends snicker, remember Jim did too, at first. If pronouncing is what bothers you, try and see how it sounds with the accent elsewhere. Or use an 'a' in place of the second 'o' when you pronounce it or the first one, or both! Or be [[creative]] and devise something else to help you. [[Remember]], we give the names for you to use. Jim stresses the first syllable, but I noticed the Spanish accent on the last part when you typed my name. Will that work for you?

Mr. Practice, it is not the way it [[sounds]], it is what it means. If you know who you're talking to and they know you're talking to them, then what is the [[problem]] here? [[Communication]] occurs. Does [[the Father]] give up in sheer [[frustration]] or disgust when his children try to [[pray]] and communicate with him and don't do it perfectly? You are loved [[abundantly]] wherever and whatever you are. Everything begins from that point.

Mr. Practice, it is not the way it [[sounds]], it is what it means. If you know who you're talking to and they know you're talking to them, then what is the [[problem]] here? [[Communication]] occurs. Does [[the Father]] give up in sheer [[frustration]] or disgust when his children try to [[pray]] and communicate with him and don't do it perfectly? You are loved [[abundantly]] wherever and whatever you are. Everything begins from that point.

Oliver: I would like to make a deal-if that is possible to do with a [[Melchizedek]] teacher. If you clear up these name [[questions]] for me, I will get off that [[topic]], otherwise I probably will search further because I am really [[curious]] about this.

Oliver: I would like to make a deal-if that is possible to do with a [[Melchizedek]] teacher. If you clear up these name [[questions]] for me, I will get off that [[topic]], otherwise I probably will search further because I am really [[curious]] about this.

AHMORAN: Don't stop searching, Oliver. I didn't, and because of that I am now able to [[share]] with others. By the way, legally binding deals are technically valid only between parties of the same [[species]]. [[Human]] and [[celestial]]? That would be like you making a deal with an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardvark aardvark].

AHMORAN: Don't stop searching, Oliver. I didn't, and because of that I am now able to [[share]] with others. By the way, legally binding deals are technically valid only between parties of the same [[species]]. [[Human]] and [[celestial]]? That would be like you making a deal with an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardvark aardvark].

I will, however, live up to the spirit of what you suggest. You may take that as both a [[pun]] and a [[promise]]. I will also add that [[accepting]] there is [[meaning]] behind my name is a [[faith]] issue. Speaking of faith issues, answering your letter through Jim has been a real test of faith for him, as well as a [[tiring]] one. I think you'll [[understand]] when I sign off for him. He'll eMail this to you as soon as possible tomorrow. Peace to you, Oliver.

I will, however, live up to the spirit of what you suggest. You may take that as both a [[pun]] and a [[promise]]. I will also add that [[accepting]] there is [[meaning]] behind my name is a [[faith]] issue. Speaking of faith issues, answering your letter through Jim has been a real test of faith for him, as well as a [[tiring]] one. I think you'll [[understand]] when I sign off for him. He'll eMail this to you as soon as possible tomorrow. Peace to you, Oliver.

[Note: Just to get a [[perspective]] on the [[analogy]]: an aardvark is a nocturnal [[mammal]] of southern Africa, with a tubular snout and a long extendible tongue, that feeds on termites. Later, the T/R explained that his [[family]] likes to watch the cartoon character [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Read Arthur], who is an aardvark going to primary school.]

[Note: Just to get a [[perspective]] on the [[analogy]]: an aardvark is a nocturnal [[mammal]] of southern Africa, with a tubular snout and a long extendible tongue, that feeds on termites. Later, the T/R explained that his [[family]] likes to watch the cartoon character [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Read Arthur], who is an aardvark going to primary school.]

AHMORAN continued the next day addressing Jim, the T/R: I know you will want to [[share]] this with "Oliver-in-a-Martini" this afternoon before too many [[distractions]] pop up.

AHMORAN continued the next day addressing Jim, the T/R: I know you will want to [[share]] this with "Oliver-in-a-Martini" this afternoon before too many [[distractions]] pop up.

[[Everything]] you do, everything you are, exists not just materially and spiritually but [[vibrationally]] as well. I'm getting into what I was saying to Oliver in my reply to his letter. That was for him. He's welcome to [[read]] this and use it, of course, but the primary recipient is you.

[[Everything]] you do, everything you are, exists not just materially and spiritually but [[vibrationally]] as well. I'm getting into what I was saying to Oliver in my reply to his letter. That was for him. He's welcome to [[read]] this and use it, of course, but the primary recipient is you.

You [[joke]] and tease about [[meditation]] using [[sounds]]. The "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om OM]" sound, for example. Oliver is very familiar with this because he has been involved in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_religion Eastern religions] practices where it is still quite common.

You [[joke]] and tease about [[meditation]] using [[sounds]]. The "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om OM]" sound, for example. Oliver is very familiar with this because he has been involved in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_religion Eastern religions] practices where it is still quite common.

Last night I spoke of a part of the name we gave you, [[meaning]] "an entity that is complete in God". Most [[indigenous]] peoples, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas native Americans], for example, see themselves from several levels, both as [[individuals]] and as [[corporate]] societies. The similar [[tribal]] names "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_language Dakota]" and "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakota_people Lakota]", which the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souix Sioux] group of plains tribes use, simply are different [[dialects]] for the expression "the people". These are not the only groups that do this either it's a pretty common [[practice]]. They see themselves as being complete in the ''Great Spirit'', too. Other celestial groupings use different [[vibrations]] that mean essentially the same thing as "Ah".

Last night I spoke of a part of the name we gave you, [[meaning]] "an entity that is complete in God". Most [[indigenous]] peoples, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas native Americans], for example, see themselves from several levels, both as [[individuals]] and as [[corporate]] societies. The similar [[tribal]] names "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_language Dakota]" and "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakota_people Lakota]", which the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souix Sioux] group of plains tribes use, simply are different [[dialects]] for the expression "the people". These are not the only groups that do this either it's a pretty common [[practice]]. They see themselves as being complete in the ''Great Spirit'', too. Other celestial groupings use different [[vibrations]] that mean essentially the same thing as "Ah".

As far as a "Melchizedekian language", I think Oliver now [[understands]] what I meant by that. Just as long as we are connected in [[communication]], though, why should I be greatly offended or disturbed if you should mispronounce my name? It's the [[communication]] that counts, that matters. You simply cannot get a truly [[accurate]] rendering of it in any human [[language]], because it isn't a human language. Just keep learning the language of love.

As far as a "Melchizedekian language", I think Oliver now [[understands]] what I meant by that. Just as long as we are connected in [[communication]], though, why should I be greatly offended or disturbed if you should mispronounce my name? It's the [[communication]] that counts, that matters. You simply cannot get a truly [[accurate]] rendering of it in any human [[language]], because it isn't a human language. Just keep learning the language of love.

===Closing===

===Closing===

Hmm, I almost started to get on my soapbox. You need a break and I need to rummage around in your [[mind]] while you plod upstairs [break] to Oliver of the [[analytical]] mind I say, remember my dealings with Jim are largely with his [[intellect]] too. I have nothing against you using reason, but remember that reason comes after [[faith]], especially in the dictionary! Perhaps we ought to emphasize that in night class tonight-learn the [[alphabet]] of the language of [[love]]. To you both we send our [[affectionate]] greetings, faithful [[watchcare]] and we lift in prayer with you to [[the Father]]'s throne of grace all whose hearts you touch and care about.

Hmm, I almost started to get on my soapbox. You need a break and I need to rummage around in your [[mind]] while you plod upstairs [break] to Oliver of the [[analytical]] mind I say, remember my dealings with Jim are largely with his [[intellect]] too. I have nothing against you using reason, but remember that reason comes after [[faith]], especially in the dictionary! Perhaps we ought to emphasize that in night class tonight-learn the [[alphabet]] of the language of [[love]]. To you both we send our [[affectionate]] greetings, faithful [[watchcare]] and we lift in prayer with you to [[the Father]]'s throne of grace all whose hearts you touch and care about.

===Closing===

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[Note by Oliver: My T/R friend, Jim, was so kind and helpful as to [[communicate]] my letter to his personal teacher, Ahmoran. I was astounded by his answer as it gave me increased [[understanding]] of the [[value]] and [[meaning]] of celestial [[names]], which we know, are often difficult to grasp and [[receive]]. It might be helpful to remember, I wrote a letter and Ahmoran answered my letter, thus I am not responding to Ahmoran's answers.]

==Note==

[Note by Oliver: My T/R friend, Jim, was so kind and helpful as to communicate my letter to his personal teacher, Ahmoran. I was astounded by his answer as it gave me increased understanding of the value and meaning of celestial names, which we know, are often difficult to grasp and receive. It might be helpful to remember, I wrote a letter and Ahmoran answered my letter, thus I am not responding to Ahmoran's answers.]

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