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Daniel: And of course any [[TR]] is always available only upon their own [[volunteering]], so if you feel out of [[practice]] or you just don’t want to TR, which occasionally happens as you know, that is your [[choice]], but more than one TR could theoretically and hopefully will be involved in this. So, other questions or comments?

Daniel: And of course any [[TR]] is always available only upon their own [[volunteering]], so if you feel out of [[practice]] or you just don’t want to TR, which occasionally happens as you know, that is your [[choice]], but more than one TR could theoretically and hopefully will be involved in this. So, other questions or comments?

Bob D: I want to comment because it when I was in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokane,_Washington Spokane] there were some [[experimental]] sessions we did as a group where we would all be [[receptive]] to [[the teachers]], and then have a discussion in which the teachers would come in and out to offer their input, and sometimes offer a lesson. Is that what you are working towards, to have some kind of [[discussion]] group in which you are coming in with lessons or discussion, an interspersed procedure that than a more formal one.

Bob D: I want to comment because it when I was in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokane,_Washington Spokane] there were some [[experimental]] sessions we did as a group where we would all be [[receptive]] to [[the teachers]], and then have a discussion in which the teachers would come in and out to offer their input, and sometimes offer a lesson. Is that what you are working towards, to have some kind of [[discussion]] group in which you are coming in with lessons or discussion, an interspersed procedure that than a more formal one.

Daniel: Yes. In the [[history]] of this group there was a time when it was [[training]] [[TR]]s, and everyone sat in [[receptivity]] and various [[personalities]] would come through various people with different lessons and so forth. What we are trying to do here is difficult for the TRs are not to sit with their eyes shut and the mouths closed, but to take part in the discussion, so, for us to get our two cents in, it’s going to mean that you’re going to have to be receptive to the knock on the cranium even as you sit there with your eyes open. Now ''open-eyed TRing'' has been [[practiced]] in other places, but it hasn’t been a forte of this group.

Daniel: Yes. In the [[history]] of this group there was a time when it was [[training]] [[TR]]s, and everyone sat in [[receptivity]] and various [[personalities]] would come through various people with different lessons and so forth. What we are trying to do here is difficult for the TRs are not to sit with their eyes shut and the mouths closed, but to take part in the discussion, so, for us to get our two cents in, it’s going to mean that you’re going to have to be receptive to the knock on the cranium even as you sit there with your eyes open. Now ''open-eyed TRing'' has been [[practiced]] in other places, but it hasn’t been a forte of this group.

Daniel: Well, one thing you can do is to do an [[analysis]]. Ask yourself "Are these [[feelings]] towards this person more judgmental or are they a discernment-type of feeling that doesn’t have the [[negative]] [[feeling]] to it?" If they are the judgmental type, then deal with that. However, let me say this. This is not a perfected universe. Even beyond the [[mortal]] level, my friend, we have our disagreements. We have our [[problems]]. We have [[conciliatory commissions]] to deal with them. So do what you can, and sweep up the dirt on your side of the street, but you can’t sweep the dirt on the other side. I know that isn’t a very concrete answer to your question. Some things just have to be set aside for later. You can’t [[force]] everything to be just the way you want it in [[relationships]].

Daniel: Well, one thing you can do is to do an [[analysis]]. Ask yourself "Are these [[feelings]] towards this person more judgmental or are they a discernment-type of feeling that doesn’t have the [[negative]] [[feeling]] to it?" If they are the judgmental type, then deal with that. However, let me say this. This is not a perfected universe. Even beyond the [[mortal]] level, my friend, we have our disagreements. We have our [[problems]]. We have [[conciliatory commissions]] to deal with them. So do what you can, and sweep up the dirt on your side of the street, but you can’t sweep the dirt on the other side. I know that isn’t a very concrete answer to your question. Some things just have to be set aside for later. You can’t [[force]] everything to be just the way you want it in [[relationships]].

Virginia: Daniel, I think of [[Jesus]], in this point that Bob has brought up. I have certainly been there and [[understand]] very much. Maybe the fear element is there, but Jesus, when he tried to be treated fairly by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Antipas Herod], and was not treated fairly , he would not [[exposed]] himself to working for that man, as a young man before he started doing his Father’s business. That to me was a [[comfort]], because sometimes you have done what you can to try to make [[peace]] with someone, and it doesn’t happen. That’s why I [[appreciate]] very much Jesus’ example, not that we can follow him at all, but it was a [[comfort]]. I also liked to fact that you can say, ‘sweep up the dirt on your side of the street,’ and pray for these people. I truly think [[love]] is the [[desire]] to do [[good]] to others. I wish these people no ill. I wish them good, because that would that would be good for me, if there’s [[growth]], and love for them too.

Virginia: Daniel, I think of [[Jesus]], in this point that Bob has brought up. I have certainly been there and [[understand]] very much. Maybe the fear element is there, but Jesus, when he tried to be treated fairly by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Antipas Herod], and was not treated fairly , he would not [[exposed]] himself to working for that man, as a young man before he started doing his Father’s business. That to me was a [[comfort]], because sometimes you have done what you can to try to make [[peace]] with someone, and it doesn’t happen. That’s why I [[appreciate]] very much Jesus’ example, not that we can follow him at all, but it was a [[comfort]]. I also liked to fact that you can say, ‘sweep up the dirt on your side of the street,’ and pray for these people. I truly think [[love]] is the [[desire]] to do [[good]] to others. I wish these people no ill. I wish them good, because that would that would be good for me, if there’s [[growth]], and love for them too.

Daniel: Thank you for bringing up that very important [[quote]] that [[love]] is the desire to do [[good]] to others. Notice it doesn’t say love is doing good to others only, but it is the desire to do good. And as you have pointed out, some things you can’t good to others because they don’t want to relate to you.

Daniel: Thank you for bringing up that very important [[quote]] that [[love]] is the desire to do [[good]] to others. Notice it doesn’t say love is doing good to others only, but it is the desire to do good. And as you have pointed out, some things you can’t good to others because they don’t want to relate to you.

Daniel: Perhaps Nancy's advice here would apply—not assume that you have to fix the [[relationship]]. Allow them their [[free will]]. And yes, you people are all driven by such time constraints, because your [[culture]] doesn’t really believe in [[eternal]] life, and everybody’s thinks they got to get it all done in this [[life]]. But the Father’s time is much longer, much longer.

Daniel: Perhaps Nancy's advice here would apply—not assume that you have to fix the [[relationship]]. Allow them their [[free will]]. And yes, you people are all driven by such time constraints, because your [[culture]] doesn’t really believe in [[eternal]] life, and everybody’s thinks they got to get it all done in this [[life]]. But the Father’s time is much longer, much longer.

Nancy: That has been the greatest gift that I have [[received]]. I don’t know—perhaps they all are, but with the [[knowledge]] that has come from the [[Urantia Book]] and the [[Teaching Mission]] I think I must really [[believe]] that we continue on afterwards, because I do experience great [[peace]] as I contemplate situations that I know that I can’t fix now, that I feel [[frustration]] over because [[communication]] is miles off and I know that there is now way to make myself [[understood]]. To know that someday I will be understood [laughter] and to know that someday I will have much better understanding, that is my [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_valve safety valve] when I start to be frustrated by aspects of [[relationships]] that are out of my current [[control]].

Nancy: That has been the greatest gift that I have [[received]]. I don’t know—perhaps they all are, but with the [[knowledge]] that has come from the [[Urantia Book]] and the [[Teaching Mission]] I think I must really [[believe]] that we continue on afterwards, because I do experience great [[peace]] as I contemplate situations that I know that I can’t fix now, that I feel [[frustration]] over because [[communication]] is miles off and I know that there is now way to make myself [[understood]]. To know that someday I will be understood [laughter] and to know that someday I will have much better understanding, that is my [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_valve safety valve] when I start to be frustrated by aspects of [[relationships]] that are out of my current [[control]].

Daniel: Very true. If you were a [[normal planet]] your [[culture]] would not be teaching these [[errors]]. You people are indeed both not to be [[pitied]], no, [[handicapped]] and yet fortunate, because, as we have told you many times, you have such rich [[opportunity]] to make positive [[decisions]] which promote [[soul growth]], and therefore, your [[Lucifer]]ian [[legacy]] has both [[positive]] and [[negative]] aspects. I am glad that the [[truth]] sets us free, remember? what ever that truth is sets us free: free from [[error]]; free from [[fear]], and helps us [[relax]] and remember how loving, in fact, this [[universe]] truly is, full of loving beings all created, directly or indirectly, by the First, Second and through the Third Source and Centers, the very center of all things. Someday your [[scientists]] will realize that [[the universe]] did not explode from a meaningless [[big bang]], but that it is under the direction of [[intelligence]] and [[purpose]], but those days are still ahead of us. Well, Isaac shall not return to his normal state of [[consciousness]].

Daniel: Very true. If you were a [[normal planet]] your [[culture]] would not be teaching these [[errors]]. You people are indeed both not to be [[pitied]], no, [[handicapped]] and yet fortunate, because, as we have told you many times, you have such rich [[opportunity]] to make positive [[decisions]] which promote [[soul growth]], and therefore, your [[Lucifer]]ian [[legacy]] has both [[positive]] and [[negative]] aspects. I am glad that the [[truth]] sets us free, remember? what ever that truth is sets us free: free from [[error]]; free from [[fear]], and helps us [[relax]] and remember how loving, in fact, this [[universe]] truly is, full of loving beings all created, directly or indirectly, by the First, Second and through the Third Source and Centers, the very center of all things. Someday your [[scientists]] will realize that [[the universe]] did not explode from a meaningless [[big bang]], but that it is under the direction of [[intelligence]] and [[purpose]], but those days are still ahead of us. Well, Isaac shall not return to his normal state of [[consciousness]].

Bob D: It crossed my mind when my [[wife]] found out I read a book called the [[Urantia Book]], and she said "O that’s where you get all those [[ideas]]." [Laughter.] I suddenly saw myself in [[reality]]. [Laughter.] I was telling her all these wonderful concepts. It took me a month and a half before… [Laughter.]

Bob D: It crossed my mind when my [[wife]] found out I read a book called the [[Urantia Book]], and she said "O that’s where you get all those [[ideas]]." [Laughter.] I suddenly saw myself in [[reality]]. [Laughter.] I was telling her all these wonderful concepts. It took me a month and a half before… [Laughter.]

Virginia: This reminds me of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Theresa Mother Theresa] words when she said "If we were [[humble]], neither [[praise]] nor [[criticism]] would effect us." I translated it to, if we were perfect, neither praise nor criticism would effect us. That’s an incredible [[statement]] to me.

Virginia: This reminds me of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Theresa Mother Theresa] words when she said "If we were [[humble]], neither [[praise]] nor [[criticism]] would effect us." I translated it to, if we were perfect, neither praise nor criticism would effect us. That’s an incredible [[statement]] to me.

Nancy: I think when you are [[humble]] the [[ego]] is properly [[aligned]].

Nancy: I think when you are [[humble]] the [[ego]] is properly [[aligned]].