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[[Image:lighterstill.jpg]] [[File:Teaching_buddha_small.jpg|right|frame]] ==Heading== ===Topic: ''Coma Paralysis and Adjusters''=== ===Group: [[N. Colorado TeaM]]=== ==Facilitators== ===Teacher: [[Monjoronson]]=== ===TR: [[Daniel Raphael]]=== ==Session== *Moderator - Philip ===Opening=== Prayer: Let's begin by invoking the [[Creator]], Christ [[Michael]]'s energy and [[Nebadonia]] to surround and fill us with [[light]]. We ask them to come through us clearly that their answers might be very clear to those who are [[listening]]. I ask to stay out of the way and let the [[spirit]] speak through me authentically, genuinely and clearly. So we give thanks for this time and [[appreciate]] all those who appreciate this [[work]], and so it is. Philip: Greetings Monjoronson, ===='''''[[Suicide]]'''''==== [Coma and Assisted Suicide] Question 1: If my [[body]] vehicle is completely paralyzed or in a coma, do I, the [[personality]], have the right to vacate the [[body]] when my [[Thought Adjuster]] does? Is it [[necessary]] for [[humans]] to suffer many months and years in these nursing homes waiting on [[death]] if we can just give ourselves permission to leave the body that no longer functions with my freewill? . . . . Is assisted [[suicide]] okay or do I, the personality in the body vehicle have the power to shut the body down at will? You stated the following in a recent transcript: "A [[Thought Adjuster]] will only leave an [[individual]] if the [[freewill]] [[function]] has ceased, but that does not mean that the individual will not [[survive]]. It only means that the Thought Adjuster can do nothing more until a new vehicle is indwelt by that personality...." Thank you for your reply. Monjoronson: Thank you for your question, this is Monjoronson. You do have the freewill [[decision]] to vacate your body whenever you wish and that decision is best activated after your Thought Adjuster leaves. There is a [[complex]] crux or [[irony]] involved in your question because were you to be competent enough to judge whether your Thought Adjuster has left or not your [[mind]] would be active enough or capable enough to continue on with its [[relationship]] with your Thought Adjuster and your Thought Adjuster with you. Individuals who have reached a point of vacating their body after their Thought Adjuster has left are capable of making that decision. It is much [[different]] to be a quadriplegic and thoroughly paralyzed with an [[active]] [[mind]] than to be in a coma. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coma coma] situation is one in which there is no conscious activity of the [[brain]]. There is not [[consciousness]], there is not consciousness [[motivation]] so in this case the Thought Adjuster makes a decision to vacate or not. The Thought Adjuster is fully aware of the [[physical]] maintenance capabilities of the body and the mind and can adjudge this correctly for 1 week or for 20 or 30 years until the person passes. Your question is one of relief for many as this question has been asked by many people. Many [[wonder]] about this and it is as I said, an [[irony]] to be capable to make that decision and at the same time not know that your [[Thought Adjuster]] is there, that were you capable as I said earlier, you would maintain contact with your Thought Adjuster. When your [[race]] of [[humanity]] becomes more [[mature]] and approaches the days of [[Light and Life]], those [[individuals]] will be fully aware of the [[presence]] of their Thought Adjuster with them. In this [[state]] of [[civilization]] and [[development]] of [[humanity]] and the mind of [[men]] and [[women]], few are aware of their Thought Adjuster and though some are, many [[doubt]] it. Those of you who have conscious awareness of your Thought Adjuster would know when your Thought Adjuster left if you're conscious, but in that case, you would not be conscious. I am sorry I am not able to answer you question in the affirmative or the negative but give you further explanation as I have. Thank you. ===='''''[[Free Will]]'''''==== [Expression of Freewill under Difficult Circumstances] Question #2: This [[individual]] followed up with a question to the aforementioned post and asks: What constitutes "[[freewill]]" when the whole [[body]] vehicle no longer [[functions]]? If I can [[think]], but cannot move, is this life? Is this [[experience]]? Is this [[meanings]] and [[values]]? Is this [[soul]] [[growth]]? Monjoronson: Yes, the body is not the [[mind]] [[mechanism]]. The mind mechanism is completely separate from the body. [[Moral]], immoral, [[ethical]] and unethical, asocial, antisocial and social decisions can be made even while the [[individual]] may be paralyzed. You can hate, you can [[love]], you can make decisions about who you are, how you are, how you want to think. This is a [[time]] of [[intense]] [[Inner Life|interior]] [[work]] for the [[individual]]. For many who have not developed their minds beforehand this is agony, this is [[terror]], this is [[torture]] but for those who live in the [[moment]] as the [[observer]] of their own [[thinking]], this is a grand [[opportunity]] for great [[moments]] of [[truth]] with their [[Thought Adjuster]] and with those unseen visitors who are around them. I hope this answer suffices for your question. . . . . ===='''''[[Rebellion]]'''''==== 3 - [The Lucifer Rebellion] Question #3: Concerning the [[Lucifer Rebellion]], how many [[beings]] chose extinction and where did they go? What was their [[fate]]? Were they "melted down" for recasting or taken back to [[Source]] for [[healing]] therapy? It is alluded to in the [[Urantia Book]] that there have been [[rebellion]]s before but not to this extent. How typical is this across the [[The Seven Superuniverses|7 Super Universes]] and are there routine [[contingency]] plans to deal with this occurrence? Exactly how did the [[adjudication]] take place? What procedures occurred and who was presiding? What deliberations were studied? Will these records be open to review? Who fell and who was saved? Monjoronson: Adjudications have occurred throughout all 7 Super Universes. There have been rebellions throughout the 7 Super Universes. The numbers of those who were in rebellion were a very, very small percentage of the [[population]] of those local universes. These would constitute less than 1% of the population at any given time. Many of these individuals chose to cease to exist which means that they opted out of the continuance of their lives, their minds. They gave up [[existence]] to the [[universe]]. This means they in some [[fashion]] committed an [[eternal]] [[suicide]], opting to not exist rather than to have their [[egos]], their opinions, the [[values]] that they held for the rebellion to be thwarted and [[challenged]] by the [[Ancients of Days|supreme guardians of light]] of the [[Superuniverse]]. What happened to their bodies? Their bodies were dispersed as [[energy]]. What you were concerned about was their [[minds]], their [[personality]]. These were eliminated, removed from the [[existence]] of the [[universe]] leaving only the repository held by [[God the Supreme]] for the usefulness of their [[existence]]. Only the positive aspects of their lives were retained. Their bodies, which are much [[different]] from your bodies, were returned to the [[universe]] as [[vibration]] which is [[energy]]. I appreciate your central concern and I note the great number of questions that you have. It is helpful for the human beings who transmit this material and record it, were you to simplify your questions into one, two or three main questions. You are however most [[welcome]] to present these questions in another session if you wish. We are not removing ourselves from the form of answering your questions, simply ask for [[clarity]] and [[simplicity]] so that those readers who appreciate your questions can have a succinct answer, one that they can appreciate as well. Thank you. ===='''''[[Spirituality]]'''''==== [The Kingdom of Heaven] This [[individual]] has fully [[embraced]] the teachings of the [[Urantia Book]] and the Life Teachings of the Master as recorded by His ministers. The Kingdom of Heaven as defined by Jesus as those having sonship with the Father and being part of His eternal [[family]]--those "in the Kingdom" and "those who are outside the Kingdom,"--those who have rejected the [[truth]] having led a life of prideful selfishness and material covetousness or other [[soul]] regressive [[behavior]] contrary to the will of [[the Father]]. It is my own [[understanding]] or [[assumption]] that those "in the Kingdom" will initially move onto the [[Mansion Worlds|mansions world system]] and find [[equilibrium]] at some level of [[light]] according to their present spiritual [[development]], and those "outside the Kingdom" will likewise find equilibrium in some sub-level of [[Morontia|mansonia]] in varying [[degrees]] of [[darkness]]--for every man will go unto his own place. Question #4: If this assumption is vaguely correct, what then is the fate of these outsiders and are there ministries of the higher [[spheres]] of light that offer [[enlightenment]] and [[salvation]] to these rebellious souls "outside the Kingdom" that they may [[progress]] out of the varying [[states]] of darkness and into the "Kingdom of Heaven" or the higher spheres of light? Please explain. Thank you. Monjoronson: All those who are "outside of the Kingdom of Heaven" will be taken to the [[Mansion Worlds|mansonia worlds]], yet they will be placed in worlds and educational settings according to how much they know, how much they [[appreciate]] and how much they wish to [[aspire]] and [[ascend]]. Yes, this is an [[opportunity]] for those light workers of the universe of higher realms to educate these [[individuals]]. Most decisions by [[mortals]] on this planet are made in ignorance of the full [[spectrum]] of awareness of their [[infinite]] [[Ascension Career|career]] as it [[progress]]es towards [[Paradise]].[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ascension_career] Every effort is made to engage them to instill this [[information]], this [[education]] in them so that they can make a [[reason]]ed, [[balanced]] and sensible answer given all the information. No one is given the [[opportunity]] to reject an eternal life without full [[awareness]], full [[knowledge]] and full consciousness of the [[consequences]] of that decision. It is helpful to winnow or segregate individuals according to the [[capacity]] to learn. There are many who do not have the capacity though have been indwelt by a [[Thought Adjuster]] and who are now on the [[mansion worlds]]. These will be given time, as much time as is [[necessary]] for them to make a reasonable decision. Those who decide to pursue the [[intimate]] career towards [[Paradise]] are further educated along the way. They [[ascend]] through the worlds of light into higher realms of awareness, consciousness and the transformation of the energetic bodies [and] as they progress they are given more and more capability of progressing. Always you would be given the [[resources]] first and then you use that resource and fill your [[body]], fill your [[mind]], fill your [[soul]] with decisions that help you move towards Paradise and opportunities of [[service]] to [[demonstrate]] your capacity and capability of [[understanding]] this [[knowledge]]. Those who choose not to, either cease to exist or to move ahead are held in suspension; that is they are held on the worlds with the continuing educational [[process]] until they make a decision. Eventually in the [[Inevitability|eventuality]] of the infinity of time, every [[individual]] does make a decision to move ahead or cease to exist, to withdraw from the universes grand progression of [[ascension]]. No one is ever [[coerced]] to make a [[decision]]. No one is ever urged to [[aspire]] to a decision of extinction. No one is given the [[opportunity]] or resources from those of light to extinguish themselves prematurely. Always, every individual is seen as [[worthwhile]] as a [[resource]] to make a contribution to the [[Grand Universe]], [[God the Supreme]] who is now becoming and will be ultimately [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Foreword#IX._GOD_THE_ULTIMATE God the Ultimate]. Thank you. ===='''''[[Personality]]'''''==== [Can You Describe What the Father is like in Person for Us?] This [[individual]] and his [[friends]] are grateful for all the help you offer Monjoronson. He feels that what brings us all together in our [[desire]] to know [[the Father]] in an [[intimate]] manner. He [[understands]] that to describe the Father to [[material]] finite beings is [[difficult]] but says all of us desire to know. He proposes a series of questions as follows: Question #5: What does the Father [[Appearance|look like]]? Is it possible to approximate or not? What is it like [[being]] in His [[presence]]? Is His form so far removed from anything in our [[experience]] that He is impossible to describe to us? What is He like as a [[person]]? We all desire to be closer to the Father. I hope your answer will further [[enlighten]]. I thank you as always for your answers. Monjoronson: Thank you for your questions and it is [[wonderful]] to see how you wish to engage [[the Father]] intimately and personally and even socially. It is a grand [[aspiration]] for any [[mortal]] who is invested with a [[Thought Adjuster]]. I will succinctly answer your question in simple form and then digress to address your questions more clearly if I may. You can best know the Father by knowing [[Jesus]]. Remember Jesus said "He who has seen Me has seen the Father."[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_157#157:6._THE_NEXT_AFTERNOON] In the approach of [[mortals]] to [[God]], their greatest and closest approximation is Christ Michael in the mortal form of Jesus. This can be only remotely [[understood]] through the [[text]] of the [[Urantia Book]], the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus life of Jesus]. Some of you however have come to know Christ Michael personally through His ministrations to you when you have asked Him to be with you to speak with Him. You know Him as your [[brother]]. Your Thought Adjuster with whom some of you have also as well spoken, [[understand]] the tremendous [[personal]] heartfelt [[connection]] that your [[Thought Adjuster]] has with you. You must [[realize]] that your Thought Adjuster is down stepping Itself tremendously to convey this to you. You are not capable of withstanding the [[presence]] of even your Thought Adjuster in Its full [[majesty]] let alone that of the [[First Source and Center]], God the [[Creator]], [[the Father]] of all. You would not be able to approximate [[[survive]]] even within a million miles of the First Source and Center for your being could not withstand this [[light]]. You would be more than vaporized, you would become non-existent. That is why the [[progression]] through the [[infinite]] [[Ascension Career|ascendant career]] is so long. It takes that long for [[individuals]] to begin to approximate the grandeur of the Creator and to approach the Creator in [[Paradise]] to eventually come within the [[embrace]] of the Creator. What is it like to be in the presence of the Creator? For myself it is a tremendous [[experience]]. For you it could be likened to the greatest ecstatic experience that you have ever had of [[joy]] and [[ecstasy]] and [[happiness]] combined and then multiply that by not just 10,000 but by 10,000,000. There are no [[equivalent]] [[measurements]] for this kind of contact between the [[mortal]] and the Creator in Paradise. There is no approximation, no measurement, no capacity to [[understand]] this engagement in the proximity of the Creator. You would feel great [[joy]], exhilaration, exaltation and satisfaction to be in that [[Presence]]. It is the final acknowledgment at the end of a long [[journey]] of the tremendous [[number]], millions upon millions of accomplishments that you have surmounted and [[attained]] through your infinite career. This is at once a joyful experience of [[acceptance]], acknowledgment and [[appreciation]] by the Divine. Please accept this fragment of comment that can be made upon this contact for even these [[words]] are insufficient to explain how you will feel, how you will be capable of being in the presence of your Creator, the [[Deity]] of all. Thank you. ===='''''[[The Supreme]]'''''==== [[The Supreme Being]] This individual has read extensively in the [[Urantia Book]] about the [[Supreme Being]] and that He is a [[finite]] [[God]], and a spirit [[person]] that dwells in [[Havona]]? It is the [[experience]]s of [[evolution]]ary [[mortals]] and [[celestial]] [[beings]] that add to His [[growth]]. At some point in the distant future when the [[The Seven Superuniverses|7 Super Universes]] are settled in [[Light and Life]] the Supreme Bering will reveal Himself to all evolutionary creatures. Thank you for giving attention to my questions. The following questions are all related: Question #6: Why did Father choose to create a finite God? Monjoronson: The Creator chose to create a finite God to collect all the [[experiential]] [[decisions]] of [[mortals]] throughout the [[Grand Universe]]. Imagine [[God the Supreme]] as a grand [[Archives|archival]] [[library]] who retains only the very best decisions, outcomes and [[wisdom]] of the universe. Why does God not keep this to Himself? God is complete and whole as it is. God is full and with no need of further [[fulfillment]] other than the experiences which [[mortals]] can provide to It. Your experiences, your decisions are cherished, are held dear to the Creator. They are like a treasure chest that [[children]] keep of [[events]] of where they have been, those mementos of life. For [[God the Supreme]], these decisions will be immensely important for governing the existent universe as it will be settled. There is a place for God the Supreme in the [[future]] and It will have full access to this [[wisdom]], these experiences, this wisdom. When that occurs, God the Supreme will be in all intents and purposes the God of all [[knowledge]] and wisdom and experience of all [the] [[Grand Universe]]. It will be a [[magnificent]] event. God the Supreme will be a full [[reflection]] of the Creator's [[capacity]] and capability to create and [[fulfill]] that which was only [[potential]] in its beginning. Can we not [[attain]] [[the Father]] without the aid of the Supreme? Monjoronson: Yes, you most certainly can. Phillip: In the present universe age are we only able to understand the Father on finite levels of understanding and reality? Monjoronson: Yes, for you have difficulty even understanding that. You are limited in your capacities to grow from [[nothingness]], no awareness, no consciousness to full consciousness and awareness. You are here in a finite plane to learn finite lessons. It is impossible for the finite to understand the infinite let alone the eternal. Phillip: If Father wants us to find Him on Paradise one day, why is there the need of a middle man, so to speak? Monjoronson: Absolutely there is no middle man in [[existence]] in the universe. That is why your Creator God the Father, the [[First Source and Center]] has given you a Fragment of Itself. You are in direct contact with the First Source and Center with and through your [[Thought Adjuster]], the Father Fragment at all times. [[God the Supreme]] is not a middle man but simply a collector of [[wisdom]], of right [[decisions]], right [[actions]], right [[service]]. Philip: Just a personal question off the record. In a sense, in the universe [[Ascension Career|ascension plan]] we learn from those above us and we help those below us. In a sense aren't we all middle men? Monjoronson: No, there is no need for you to have a middle man. You can be of [[service]]. Those above you teach you, this is a [[service]], this is the [[proof]] of their accomplishment and [[attainment]] of new levels of [[spirit]] [[reality]]. When you learn you will also serve others. You are not middle men, you are simply instructors and [[teachers]]. Spiritually, in the [[reality]] of the [[relationship]] between yourself and the Creator there are no middle men, there is only yourself and God. You however must make decisions to progress towards that [[Unity|oneness]] in [[time]]. Those who are there to educate you and provide a [[service]] of education and awareness and also of [[mentor]]ing and helpful decision making through [[Counsel|advice]] are there to assist you in making those decisions. Remember, the only thing that separates you from [[fusion]] right now is the decision to be Godlike in every way. Philip: Hmm..thank you, maybe I will include that. Will all [[finaliters]] someday work with [[God the Supreme]] in the [[Outer Space|outer universes]]? Monjoronson: Not all finaliters. There will be finaliters who will continue to work with the universe as it exists in the days of [[Light and Life]]. Many will be in assistance with [[God the Supreme]] in the [[adventures]] that God the Supreme will be given by the [[First Source and Center]]. These will be most exciting times but you must remember that our universe is very young yet, is very much unsettled and will progress and develop for billions upon billions upon billions of years into the future until that time. Phillip: Can you elaborate on God the Supreme, the [[purpose]] for His [[existence]] and how we fit into all of this? Monjoronson: I believe I have answered the first part of your question. The last part of your question is the delightful part and the delightful part is this: The [[First Source and Center]] before the [[event]] of [[creation]] realized and knew that It didn't have the means to [[experience]] the process of living. It existed as a completion, a wholeness, yet was not able to experience Itself as being. It therefore created the universe and vested the universe with [[mortal]] [[sentient]] [[beings]] who live short difficult lives to [[aspire]] to Its [[presence]] in [[Paradise]]. Through and by the [[intimate]] connection and investment of a [[Father Fragment]] in each individual, God is able to experience each individuals [[ascension]]. To experience a process of living, a process of existence, there is a [[wonderful]] [[symbiosis]] so to speak between the [[God]] the [[Creator]] [and] mortals of the investment of the [[Thought Adjuster]] Father Fragment in each [[individual]] and the [[growth]] and [[development]] of [[God the Supreme]]. It is all [[connected]], nothing is wasted. You, my dear mortal [[friends]], are an [[essential]] factor for God to experience Itself at Its very best. You assist in that [[process]] greatly and consistently when you make a moral and ethical and socially responsible decision and are also of service to others. You have a wonderful [[opportunity]] to be Godlike every day and in this way you contribute to God's appreciation of what It has done and gets to experience the [[process]] of living. . . . God is [[perfect]] and whole; God is . . . seeking to know more about Itself which we would [[hope]] you do for yourselves. Thank you. ===='''''[[Accidents]]'''''==== [Accidents of Time] I remember reading in the [[Urantia Book]] that some of the lower [[mansion worlds]] are still subject to the [[accidents]] of time. Question #7: How far up do these [accidents] extend? Monjoronson: This is Monjoronson. The lowest levels of the [[morontia worlds]] are what we call semi-[[physical]]. You as a mortal would not be able to see them yet you are on those levels almost physical. You are quasi-[[energetic]] [[material]] forms as you would assess them, [[analyze]] them from your [[mortal]] material [[perspective]]. These [[individuals]] are subject to the vicissitudes of accident, meaning that they can bump into walls so to speak and hurt themselves. There are opportunities to hurt one another though this would be a clear demonstration of a spiritually retarded soul. How far up this goes is a matter of evaluation of ascension. As individuals pass through the lowest realms to those that are higher they become less and less susceptible to the [[vicissitudes]] of time. This is completely inadequate to answer your question though I have attempted to do so to the best of my [[knowledge]]. It is difficult to convey to material beings as yourself who can fall down the stairs and kill yourself how this can relate to beings who are not fully material on other worlds. [[Trust]] me that there are ways in which individuals can hurt themselves [[physically]] and cause damage to others. These are places of caution for their [[Guardian Angels|caretakers]] and for all. [[Category: The Teaching Mission: Dialogues]] [[Category: N. Colorado TeaM]] [[Category: Monjoronson]] [[Category: Daniel Raphael]] [[Category: Suicide]] [[Category: Free will]] [[Category: Rebellion]] [[Category: Spirituality]] [[Category: Personality]] [[Category: The Supreme]] [[Category: Accidents]] [[Category: 2009]]

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