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Question #1: With regard to [[population]] reduction on [[Urantia]], do the higher [[spiritual]] [[powers]] see [[genocide]] appearing on Urantia to produce one of those major factors in the rapid reduction of population?

Question #1: With regard to [[population]] reduction on [[Urantia]], do the higher [[spiritual]] [[powers]] see [[genocide]] appearing on Urantia to produce one of those major factors in the rapid reduction of population?

Monjoronson: No, genocide is not an aspect of that [[design]]. The connotation of population reduction is that this is an [[intentional]] reduction of population by some outside [[influence]]. This is not the case. Population decimation is a much more accurate designation for population reduction due to natural causes that are [[developmental]] and [[evolutionary]] and [[epidemiological]] on your [[planet]]. Genocide is [[human]] [[origin]]ated. The main population reduction [[method]] [[processes]] that have occurred throughout the [[history]] of your planet has been [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine famine], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pestilence pestilence] and [[war]]. We would consider genocide an aspect of war. The natural occurrence of famine and pestilence are sufficient to reduce population on your world. These factors have been [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual virtually] eliminated due to modern [[science]], [[medicine]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease disease] control procedures yet they can only hold back the dam of pestilence and famine and difficulty for so long. Eventually there will occur the [[developments]] in [[evolution]], a strain of disease which will overcome and overpower those [[technologies]]. Thank you.

Monjoronson: No, genocide is not an aspect of that [[design]]. The connotation of population reduction is that this is an [[intentional]] reduction of population by some outside [[influence]]. This is not the case. Population decimation is a much more accurate designation for population reduction due to natural causes that are [[developmental]] and [[evolutionary]] and [[epidemiological]] on your [[planet]]. Genocide is [[human]] [[origin]]ated. The main population reduction [[method]] [[processes]] that have occurred throughout the [[history]] of your planet has been [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine famine], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pestilence pestilence] and [[war]]. We would consider genocide an aspect of war. The natural occurrence of famine and pestilence are sufficient to reduce population on your world. These factors have been [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_(computing) virtually] eliminated due to modern [[science]], [[medicine]] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease disease] control procedures yet they can only hold back the dam of pestilence and famine and difficulty for so long. Eventually there will occur the [[developments]] in [[evolution]], a strain of disease which will overcome and overpower those [[technologies]]. Thank you.

===='''''[[Eugenics]]'''''====

===='''''[[Eugenics]]'''''====

Question #2: Is there a proper role for Eugenics in population control?

Question #2: Is there a proper role for Eugenics in population control?

Monjoronson: No, there is not unless it is [[human]] [[origin]]ated. Human [[population]] through [[eugenics]] is oftentimes [[coercive]] and comes from a central [[authority]] which is contrary to an evolved [[society]]. Population reduction or population control comes through the natural selections of [[individuals]] to have [[children]] or not to have children. This comes from greater [[public]] awareness and [[education]] through the [[masses]]. The great [[problems]] of your world is the lack of [[transparency]] and the lack of [[education]] throughout the ranks of the masses along with the lack of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrition nutritional] sufficiency to develop strong [[minds]] in young ones who grow up to be adults. All of these taken together have a tremendous [[effect]] upon population control. [[Eugenics]] is oftentimes seen as a product of central [[policy]] control and [[authority]], whereas eugenics is most effective when the population of a world decides that it is time to have only so many children to the capacity that [[parents]] can raise them to become [[responsible]] and effective adults in that [[society]]. Thank you.

Monjoronson: No, there is not unless it is [[human]] [[origin]]ated. Human [[population]] through [[eugenics]] is oftentimes [[coercive]] and comes from a central [[authority]] which is contrary to an evolved [[society]]. Population reduction or population control comes through the natural selections of [[individuals]] to have [[children]] or not to have children. This comes from greater [[public]] awareness and [[education]] through the [[masses]]. The great [[problems]] of your world is the lack of [[transparency]] and the lack of [[education]] throughout the ranks of the masses along with the lack of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrition nutritional] sufficiency to develop strong [[minds]] in young ones who grow up to be adults. All of these taken together have a tremendous [[effect]] upon population control. [[Eugenics]] is oftentimes seen as a product of central [[policy]] control and [[authority]], whereas eugenics is most effective when the population of a world decides that it is time to have only so many children to the capacity that [[parents]] can raise them to become [[responsible]] and effective adults in that [[society]]. Thank you.

===='''''[[Cosmology]]''''', '''''[[Urantia Book]]'''''====

===='''''[[Cosmology]]''''', '''''[[Urantia Book]]''''', '''''[[Archives]]'''''====

(Universe Workings)

(Universe Workings)

Question #3: My question has to do with Monjoronson's [[statement]] found in [http://tmarchives.com/transcript_frames.php?tid=5022&search=superficial  tmarchives May 24, 2009-NOCO #107]. In the first paragraph it says: "You have been [[prepared]] as well by the [[Urantia Book]], which has described the workings of the [[universe]] in a [[superficial]] [[manner]]."

Question #3: My question has to do with Monjoronson's [[statement]] found in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2009-05-24-Steadfast_Participation_Needed#Opening 2009-05-29-Steadfast Participation Needed]. In the first paragraph it says: "You have been [[prepared]] as well by the [[Urantia Book]], which has described the workings of the [[universe]] in a [[superficial]] [[manner]]."

Could you comment on what is meant by "superficial manner"?

Could you comment on what is meant by "superficial manner"?

Monjoronson: Most certainly, I would be pleased to do so. The [[Urantia Book]] is a very small book in the [[series]] of [[books]] that describe the [[evolution]] and [[cosmology]] of the [[universe]]. This is a very tight and concise [[book]] though to you [[mortals]] it is [[Awe|awesome]], it is a tome in its own right, it is [[challenging]] to read and most difficult to [[understand]] in its entirety. Yet and however, to the chroniclers of the [[universe]] who had a [[library]] of [[material]] to provide to [[readers]] of your world, this is actually a tight [[Outline|summarization]] of the material available for your world. It is simply [[superficial]] in the eyes of the [[archivists]] and librarians of [[Nebadon]]'s and [[Uversa]]'s libraries. It is a very brief trace of the true and full [[history]] and [[development]], [[cosmology]] of all [[Paper 106 - Universe Levels of Reality|levels of reality]] in the universe. That [[statement]] was in no way meant to disparage the [[quality]] of the [[document]] as it is of the highest quality possible to be delivered to [[mortals]] of limited mind capacity considering the [[language]] [[limitations]] that we had to work with. We [[hope]] you understand more thoroughly our description of the [[book]] in that session. Thank you.

Monjoronson: Most certainly, I would be pleased to do so. The [[Urantia Book]] is a very small book in the [[series]] of [[books]] that describe the [[evolution]] and [[cosmology]] of the [[universe]]. This is a very tight and concise [[book]] though to you [[mortals]] it is [[Awe|awesome]], it is a tome in its own right, it is [[challenging]] to read and most difficult to [[understand]] in its entirety. Yet and however, to the chroniclers of the [[universe]] who had a [[library]] of [[material]] to provide to [[readers]] of your world, this is actually a tight [[Outline|summarization]] of the material available for your world. It is simply [[superficial]] in the eyes of the [[archivists]] and librarians of [[Nebadon]]'s and [[Uversa]]'s libraries. It is a very brief trace of the true and full [[history]] and [[development]], [[cosmology]] of all [[Paper 106 - Universe Levels of Reality|levels of reality]] in the universe. That [[statement]] was in no way meant to disparage the [[quality]] of the [[document]] as it is of the highest quality possible to be delivered to [[mortals]] of limited mind capacity considering the [[language]] [[limitations]] that we had to work with. We [[hope]] you understand more thoroughly our description of the [[book]] in that session. Thank you.

===='''''[[Mansion Worlds]]'''''====

===='''''[[Mansion Worlds]]'''''====

(Mansonia)

(Mansonia)

Question #4: We read with interest your answer about having [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House housing] on [[mansonia]] being a little [[scarce]] on the lower levels of rehabilitation, and we [[wonder]] how the [[universe]] deals with this kind of shortage? Do they build more abodes, [[create]] another category such as a "Mid Heaven?", or perhaps reduce the [[number]] of incoming [[souls]] in some [[manner]] to alleviate the crowding?

Question #4: We read with interest your answer about having [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House housing] on [[mansonia]] being a little [[scarce]] on the lower levels of rehabilitation, and we [[wonder]] how the [[universe]] deals with this kind of shortage? Do they build more abodes, [[create]] another category such as a "Mid Heaven?", or perhaps reduce the [[number]] of incoming [[souls]] in some [[manner]] to alleviate the crowding?

Monjoronson: Scarce is of course the [[limiting]] [[word]], no pun intended. Scarce as a word tells you that the incoming [[number]] of [[individuals]] is rather large and that the room for those [[individuals]] becomes limited. Yet you must be aware that these [[Mansion Worlds|worlds of Mansonia]] are of such [[dimension]] as to leave you in [[awe]] were you to [[understand]] the dimensions of these worlds. Remember as well that these were [[designed]] by [[Architects of the Master Universe|Universe Architects]] who anticipated the full [[development]] of [[flow]] of [[mortals]] from each section of the [[local universe]]. [[Edentia]]'s [[mansion worlds]] are sufficient in [[design]] and size to handle the capacity of the passage of new [[souls]] and [[beings]] who come from [[Paper 49 - The Inhabited Worlds|material worlds]].

Monjoronson: Scarce is of course the [[limiting]] [[word]], no pun intended. Scarce as a word tells you that the incoming [[number]] of [[individuals]] is rather large and that the room for those [[individuals]] becomes limited. Yet you must be aware that these [[Mansion Worlds|worlds of Mansonia]] are of such [[dimension]] as to leave you in [[awe]] were you to [[understand]] the dimensions of these worlds. Remember as well that these were [[designed]] by [[Architects of the Master Universe|Universe Architects]] who anticipated the full [[development]] of [[flow]] of [[mortals]] from each section of the [[local universe]]. [[Edentia]]'s [[mansion worlds]] are sufficient in [[design]] and size to handle the capacity of the passage of new [[souls]] and [[beings]] who come from [[Paper 49 - The Inhabited Worlds|material worlds]].

Question #5: Would you describe a term we have been hearing called a "[[mystic]] [[circle]]," what you mean by it and how to make use of it?

Question #5: Would you describe a term we have been hearing called a "[[mystic]] [[circle]]," what you mean by it and how to make use of it?

Monjoronson: Let me explain the term first. First of all the term "mystic circles" was coined by the [[author]] [[Daniel Raphael]] and it was meant to describe to fellow believers a much deeper [[meditation]] [[group]] that leads to more [[intimate]] and closer proximity to the [[Divine]] within each individual. It is as well a circle of [[transformation]] where individuals can come to the threshold of an [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Altered_States_of_Consciousness-1997-09-16 altered state of consciousness] where they would [[experience]] a [[transition]], a transformation with themselves as they engage the Divine.

Monjoronson: Let me explain the term first. First of all the term "mystic circles" was coined by the [[author]] [[Daniel Raphael]] and it was meant to describe to fellow believers a much deeper [[meditation]] [[group]] that leads to more [[intimate]] and closer proximity to the [[Divine]] within each individual. It is as well a circle of [[transformation]] where individuals can come to the threshold of an [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Altered_States_of_Consciousness-1997-09-16 altered state of consciousness] where they would [[experience]] a [[transition]], a transformation with themselves as they engage the Divine.

As for the operation of the mystic circles, the mystic circle is more than a meditation group, it is a deep meditation group that gives individuals [[guidance]] to the [[Profound|deepest]] reaches of [[meditation]]. The meditation is to bring people to a threshold to an altered state of consciousness. This truly means where  you are barely conscious of your own [[being]], that you live and exist in the realms of [[consciousness]] where you meet easily other consciousness and you are in the doorstep of knowing and greeting your spiritual [[advisors]] including your [[Thought Adjuster]].

As for the operation of the mystic circles, the mystic circle is more than a meditation group, it is a deep meditation group that gives individuals [[guidance]] to the [[Profound|deepest]] reaches of [[meditation]]. The meditation is to bring people to a threshold to an altered state of consciousness. This truly means where  you are barely conscious of your own [[being]], that you live and exist in the realms of [[consciousness]] where you meet easily other consciousness and you are in the doorstep of knowing and greeting your spiritual [[advisors]] including your [[Thought Adjuster]].

Question #6: Is it just too early to have any [[discussion]] of the creative meaning of [[Nebadon]]? For instance, Nebadon I believe is known for its lavish mercy. In what way does an emphasis on "mercy" reflect the [[meaning]] of Nebadon's [[existence]]?

Question #6: Is it just too early to have any [[discussion]] of the creative meaning of [[Nebadon]]? For instance, Nebadon I believe is known for its lavish mercy. In what way does an emphasis on "mercy" reflect the [[meaning]] of Nebadon's [[existence]]?

Monjoronson: As one travels from [[Paradise]], outward from [[Havona]] to the [[Orvonton|Seventh Superuniverse]], one finds greater and greater [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/latitude latitude] in the evolution of [[mortals]] and their [[behavior]]. Nebadon is, in the opinion of this [[descending]] [[Paradise Son]], a most [[challenging]] local universe to [[administer]]. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_7#7:1._THE_SPIRIT-GRAVITY_CIRCUIT Spirit gravity] has not diminished or attenuated but spreads itself out the farther it goes from Havona and Paradise. Were Christ Michael to rule with the [[degree]] of [[justice]] as occurs in [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_15#15:1._THE_SUPERUNIVERSE_SPACE_LEVEL Universe One], there would be few who would [[survive]] on the [[material]] [[planet]] to achieve the [[mansion worlds]], but through His tremendous [[expression]] of [[mercy]], you learn tremendous lessons. It gives you more latitude in your [[behavior]] before you are called into account.

Monjoronson: As one travels from [[Paradise]], outward from [[Havona]] to the [[Orvonton|Seventh Superuniverse]], one finds greater and greater [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/latitude latitude] in the evolution of [[mortals]] and their [[behavior]]. Nebadon is, in the opinion of this [[descending]] [[Paradise Son]], a most [[challenging]] local universe to [[administer]]. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_7#7:1._THE_SPIRIT-GRAVITY_CIRCUIT Spirit gravity] has not diminished or attenuated but spreads itself out the farther it goes from Havona and Paradise. Were Christ Michael to rule with the [[degree]] of [[justice]] as occurs in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_15#15:1._THE_SUPERUNIVERSE_SPACE_LEVEL Universe One], there would be few who would [[survive]] on the [[material]] [[planet]] to achieve the [[mansion worlds]], but through His tremendous [[expression]] of [[mercy]], you learn tremendous lessons. It gives you more latitude in your [[behavior]] before you are called into account.

You would call this a generous [[fairness]]. The fair play of Christ [[Michael]] in [[Nebadon]] is grand, it is superb, it is supreme as this allows [[mortals]] the greatest latitude in living their lives to come to find the [[Thought Adjuster|God Presence]] within them and while doing so, they, as [[Agondonters]] become the strongest of souls to engage in the [[ascendant]] [[journey]] to [[Paradise]]. The [[responsibilities]] of mortals are far greater to come to know God than on the inner created universes. [[Mercy]] provides the greatest allowance for the development of spirit [[potential]] within each individual before they are called [[home]]. Yes, it is no [[wonder]] that mercy is so well recognized in Nebadon for Christ Michael has set a [[standard]] of mercy which truly almost exceeds that of any other [[Creator Son]]. Only others in the Superuniverse of [[Orvonton]] have reached the level that Christ Michael has in Nebadon. We hope this helps you [[understand]] more clearly the nature of mercy in Nebadon and the [[character]] of mercy that Christ Michael expresses to all the inhabited worlds of His [[creation]]. Thank you.

You would call this a generous [[fairness]]. The fair play of Christ [[Michael]] in [[Nebadon]] is grand, it is superb, it is supreme as this allows [[mortals]] the greatest latitude in living their lives to come to find the [[Thought Adjuster|God Presence]] within them and while doing so, they, as [[Agondonters]] become the strongest of souls to engage in the [[ascendant]] [[journey]] to [[Paradise]]. The [[responsibilities]] of mortals are far greater to come to know God than on the inner created universes. [[Mercy]] provides the greatest allowance for the development of spirit [[potential]] within each individual before they are called [[home]]. Yes, it is no [[wonder]] that mercy is so well recognized in Nebadon for Christ Michael has set a [[standard]] of mercy which truly almost exceeds that of any other [[Creator Son]]. Only others in the Superuniverse of [[Orvonton]] have reached the level that Christ Michael has in Nebadon. We hope this helps you [[understand]] more clearly the nature of mercy in Nebadon and the [[character]] of mercy that Christ Michael expresses to all the inhabited worlds of His [[creation]]. Thank you.

===='''''[[Education]]'''''====

===='''''[[Education]]'''''====

Question #8: In a response to a question in [[Session #82]] you state that [[education]] of "[[morontia]] realities, while they do entail the acquirement of [[facts]] and the [[association]] of [[concepts]], they also -- and more highly so -- are engaged in relational association. Morontia is the [[transition]] to [[spirit]], and spirit is [[relationship]], which again brings us back to our first question, that of the lesson of [[love]]." How do you explain why relationship training takes precedence in spiritual education over the material acquisition of [[facts]] and [[concepts]]?

Question #8: In a response to a question in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Monjoronson_Q/A_Session_82-2010-01-06 Session #82] you state that [[education]] of "[[morontia]] realities, while they do entail the acquirement of [[facts]] and the [[association]] of [[concepts]], they also -- and more highly so -- are engaged in relational association. Morontia is the [[transition]] to [[spirit]], and spirit is [[relationship]], which again brings us back to our first question, that of the lesson of [[love]]." How do you explain why relationship training takes precedence in spiritual education over the material acquisition of [[facts]] and [[concepts]]?

Daniel: There is no comment. [A discussion of the question ensued between the t/r and moderator to which Monjoronson spoke.]

Daniel: There is no comment. [A discussion of the question ensued between the t/r and moderator to which Monjoronson spoke.]

I would guide you not to overly concern yourself with the [[intellectual]] realms that are ahead of you [[Afterlife|after this lifetime]]. It is sufficient to express loving kindness each [[moment]] in the day to your fellow brothers and sisters and to [[discern]] who is needful of the pearls of [[wisdom]] that you've gained in your life to [[share]] with. I am not here to prepare you for the immediate [[transition]] into the [[morontia]]l but for your transition and evolution into the higher realms of your own being in this lifetime.

I would guide you not to overly concern yourself with the [[intellectual]] realms that are ahead of you [[Afterlife|after this lifetime]]. It is sufficient to express loving kindness each [[moment]] in the day to your fellow brothers and sisters and to [[discern]] who is needful of the pearls of [[wisdom]] that you've gained in your life to [[share]] with. I am not here to prepare you for the immediate [[transition]] into the [[morontia]]l but for your transition and evolution into the higher realms of your own being in this lifetime.

===Closing===

===Closing===

Thank you again for this [[opportunity]] to be with you. Know that the [[Spirit of Truth]] is here with you as well. Always you have with you the [[guidance]] of Christ Michael [[immediate]] upon any request for His presence and His advisement. Know that [[Curriculum|my program]] to bring you into an evolved and [[sustainable]] world are many and we need capable individuals who are willing invest themselves in developing the [[potential]] that they carry with them during this brief lifetime, good day.

Thank you again for this [[opportunity]] to be with you. Know that the [[Spirit of Truth]] is here with you as well. Always you have with you the [[guidance]] of Christ Michael [[immediate]] upon any request for His presence and His advisement. Know that [[Curriculum|my program]] to bring you into an evolved and [[sustainable]] world are many and we need capable individuals who are willing invest themselves in developing the [[potential]] that they carry with them during this brief lifetime, good day.

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