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*(Lucifer’s erroneous ideas and choices)

*(Lucifer’s erroneous ideas and choices)

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Our main [[feelings]] about our son were initially ones of [[surprise]] and [[disappointment]].  Yet for us it was also an [[acknowledgment]] of [[our Father]]’s [[ability]] to [[create]]--truly create [[unique]], [[free-will]]ed [[personalities]], [[independent]] of both Him and us.  [[Lucifer]]’s genuinely erroneous [[ideas]] came out of his own [[creativity]], and then because of what you would call [[ego]]/maniacal [[reasoning]]--a kind of stubborn partiality to what he himself was capable of originating--call it [[pride]] or arrogance--he seized upon these notions to the exclusion of all the rest of [[Michael]]’s, and my, and [[the Father]]’s [[creation]].  In [[human]] terms it was an [[infatuation]] with, and an [[addiction]] to, his own [[ideas]] of how things should be.  He was always [[cognizant]] of [[Michael]]’s and my [[existence]], and of our offers of [[love]] and [[assistance]] to help him gain some [[humility]], some deeper [[appreciation]] of the enormity of what he was devaluing, but our offers were spurned with increasing [[contempt]].  He took [[Michael]]’s refusal to [[judge]] and come up against him as some kind of [[proof]] he--[[Lucifer]]--was right.  

NEBADONIA:  Our main [[feelings]] about our son were initially ones of [[surprise]] and [[disappointment]].  Yet for us it was also an [[acknowledgment]] of [[our Father]]’s [[ability]] to [[create]]--truly create [[unique]], [[free-will]]ed [[personalities]], [[independent]] of both Him and us.  [[Lucifer]]’s genuinely erroneous [[ideas]] came out of his own [[creativity]], and then because of what you would call [[ego]]/maniacal [[reasoning]]--a kind of stubborn partiality to what he himself was capable of originating--call it [[pride]] or arrogance--he seized upon these notions to the exclusion of all the rest of [[Michael]]’s, and my, and [[the Father]]’s [[creation]].  In [[human]] terms it was an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infatuation infatuation] with, and an [[addiction]] to, his own [[ideas]] of how things should be.  He was always [[cognizant]] of [[Michael]]’s and my [[existence]], and of our offers of [[love]] and [[assistance]] to help him gain some [[humility]], some deeper [[appreciation]] of the enormity of what he was devaluing, but our offers were spurned with increasing [[contempt]].  He took [[Michael]]’s refusal to [[judge]] and come up against him as some kind of [[proof]] he--[[Lucifer]]--was right.  

   

   

It got the point of his [[thinking]] we were some kind of petty [[tyranny]], and that he was ever so [[courageous]] himself to break free and lead a [[rebellion]] against us.  His flaw was [[essentially]] one of irresponsibility insofar as he began to [[initiate]] [[things]]--[[changes]] in your [[Local System]]--and then refused to [[respond]] to what ensued.  He would not respond to the [[chaos]], the retrogression, and the enormous [[suffering]] he himself was initiating.  He began to live more and more in his own [[mind]], especially as things did not pan out as he thought they would.  You can only [[imagine]] what it was like for a [[personality]] to become so twisted and turned in upon itself like this.  For hundreds of thousand of years he constantly spurned Michael’s offers of [[mercy]] simply because they implied genuine rehabilitation--[[acknowledging]], in order to re-[[embrace]], greater [[spirit]].

It got the point of his [[thinking]] we were some kind of petty [[tyranny]], and that he was ever so [[courageous]] himself to break free and lead a [[rebellion]] against us.  His flaw was [[essentially]] one of irresponsibility insofar as he began to [[initiate]] [[things]]--[[changes]] in your [[Local System]]--and then refused to [[respond]] to what ensued.  He would not respond to the [[chaos]], the retrogression, and the enormous [[suffering]] he himself was initiating.  He began to live more and more in his own [[mind]], especially as things did not pan out as he thought they would.  You can only [[imagine]] what it was like for a [[personality]] to become so twisted and turned in upon itself like this.  For hundreds of thousand of years he constantly spurned Michael’s offers of [[mercy]] simply because they implied genuine rehabilitation--[[acknowledging]], in order to re-[[embrace]], greater [[spirit]].

Student:  But when he was interred, he must have come to realize he no longer had any [[power]].  How could he not, like, deal with that [[fact]]?

Student:  But when he was interred, he must have come to realize he no longer had any [[power]].  How could he not, like, deal with that [[fact]]?

   

   

NEBADONIA:  This is what you would call, in a [[human being]], [[insanity]].  It doesn’t make sense.  If he had been capable of [[reasoning]] even to that slight [[degree]] of accuracy, he wouldn’t have been where he was.  He had lost the [[ability]] to let go his own inner machinations to the point where they then had him.  He had lost [[touch]] with outer [[reality]] and the enormous [[glory]] of [[the Father]]’s [[creation]], the [[perception]] we call the [[spiritual]] [[blessing]] of [[humility]].  

NEBADONIA:  This is what you would call, in a [[human being]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity insanity].  It doesn’t make sense.  If he had been capable of [[reasoning]] even to that slight [[degree]] of accuracy, he wouldn’t have been where he was.  He had lost the [[ability]] to let go his own inner machinations to the point where they then had him.  He had lost [[touch]] with outer [[reality]] and the enormous [[glory]] of [[the Father]]’s [[creation]], the [[perception]] we call the [[spiritual]] [[blessing]] of [[humility]].  

   

   

Student:  So he no longer exists?

Student:  So he no longer exists?

Student:  It’s so hard to grasp that such a life like that could falter.  It doesn’t make sense.  Like you said, it’s just insane.

Student:  It’s so hard to grasp that such a life like that could falter.  It doesn’t make sense.  Like you said, it’s just insane.

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Yes, this is what I meant when I said it was a [[demonstration]] to [[Michael]] and me of [[God]]’s [[infinity]] in creating [[unique]] [[personalities]] that are truly [[free]]--free even from Him and His [[goodness]]; free from us.  [[Lucifer]]’s [[experience]] was, and is, a cosmic [[possibility]].  The [[things]] that go awry by [[personal]] [[choice]] are [[proof]] of the [[Free will|free-will]]-ness of all of [[God]]’s [[children]].  Without this [[ability]] to avoid even Him, you’d have only a kind of [[absolute]] cosmic [[determinism]], an inescapable [[fatalism]].  You would not have [[discrete]] [[personal]] [[beings]] but only little aspects of God running around, doing only His will.  This is not the awesome [[reality]] and [[mystery]] of [[personality]] you noticed--which actually exists.  

NEBADONIA:  Yes, this is what I meant when I said it was a [[demonstration]] to [[Michael]] and me of [[God]]’s [[infinity]] in creating [[unique]] [[personalities]] that are truly [[free]]--free even from Him and His [[goodness]]; free from us.  [[Lucifer]]’s [[experience]] was, and is, a cosmic [[possibility]].  The [[things]] that go awry by [[personal]] [[choice]] are [[proof]] of the [[Free will|free-will]]-ness of all of [[God]]’s [[children]].  Without this [[ability]] to avoid even Him, you’d have only a kind of [[absolute]] cosmic [[determinism]], an inescapable [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalism fatalism].  You would not have [[discrete]] [[personal]] [[beings]] but only little aspects of God running around, doing only His will.  This is not the awesome [[reality]] and [[mystery]] of [[personality]] you noticed--which actually exists.  

   

   

Student:  Now, with that [[adjudication]], with all[[ the System]] [[circuits]] being open, I do encounter those who are avid and deep [[readers]] of the [[Urantia book]] who don’t believe that that has happened.  I don’t get into [[arguments]] with them, but allow the [[Spirit of Truth]] to reveal that.  Is there any [[guidance]] you could give me in this realm?

Student:  Now, with that [[adjudication]], with all[[ the System]] [[circuits]] being open, I do encounter those who are avid and deep [[readers]] of the [[Urantia book]] who don’t believe that that has happened.  I don’t get into [[arguments]] with them, but allow the [[Spirit of Truth]] to reveal that.  Is there any [[guidance]] you could give me in this realm?