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===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

Recca:                        Well, good evening!  This is Jack.  Is that correct?

Recca:                        Well, good evening!  This is Jack.  Is that correct?

JACK:            That is correct.  And this is Recca, right?

JACK:            That is correct.  And this is Recca, right?

   

   

Recca:                        That is correct!  And I’m glad to hear your presence here.  Are you a primary or a secondary midwayer?

Recca:                        That is correct!  And I’m glad to hear your [[presence]] here.  Are you a primary or a [[secondary midwayer]]?

   

   

JACK:            Oh, secondary.  I’m a secondary midwayer.   

JACK:            Oh, secondary.  I’m a secondary midwayer.   

   

   

Recca:                        It’s good to hear [voice wavering in and out].  I have several questions and I don’t want to belabor this.  First of all, I am trying to acquire the longer view-point that you’re talking about, you’re here for the long run and you’re losing sleep, and your goal of light and life is also my passion.  And I’m rereading and listening to the Urantia Book and I was struck recently by the notion by a statement in the Urantia Book that Christianity as it exists right now is part of the revelation of Christ’s last bestowal here, but it is also in an evolutionary phase from the church and economic, political and social overlays over the last 2,000years, and I was very struck by the way it represents Christianity over the years by a group called the Apostolic something or other that casts out demons in current people!   

Recca:                        It’s good to hear [voice wavering in and out].  I have several questions and I don’t want to belabor this.  First of all, I am trying to acquire the longer [[view-point]] that you’re talking about, you’re here for the long run and you’re losing [[sleep]], and your goal of [[light and life]] is also my [[passion]].  And I’m re[[reading]] and [[listening]] to the [[Urantia Book]] and I was struck recently by the notion by a [[statement]] in the Urantia Book that [[Christianity]] as it exists right now is part of the [[revelation]] of [[Christ]]’s [[119:7 The Seventh and Final Bestowal|last bestowal]] here, but it is also in an [[evolutionary]] [[phase]] from the [[church]] and [[economic]], [[political]] and [[social]] overlays over the last 2,000years, and I was very struck by the way it [[represents]] [[Christianity]] over the years by a group called the [[Apostles|Apostolic]] something or other that casts out [[demons]] in current people!   

   

   

And I remembered, of course, that no one since Pentecost could be taken over by rebel midwayers so I didn’t dismiss that interview content, because I’m trying to develop some tolerance for my planetary brothers and sisters, but I would you to speak to this if you can on what seems to be a retrograde attitude of various world religions at this point – Christianity, Judaism, the Muslims -- religious sects, casting out demons, and this was relating to Governor Rick Perry’s prayer vigil gathering and this priest had organized this event and this was the Apostolic Brotherhood, an evangelical Protestant organization and, as I say, I acknowledge the fact that there is no demonic since Pentecost ….

And I remembered, of course, that no one since [[Pentecost]] could be taken over by rebel [[midwayers]] so I didn’t dismiss that interview content, because I’m trying to develop some [[tolerance]] for my planetary [[brothers and sisters]], but I would you to speak to this if you can on what seems to be a [[retrograde]] [[attitude]] of various world [[religions]] at this point – [[Christianity]], Judaism, the [[Muslims]] -- religious [[sects]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism casting out demons], and this was relating to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_perry Governor Rick Perry]’s [[prayer]] [[vigil]] gathering and this [[priest]] had [[organized]] this [[event]] and this was the Apostolic Brotherhood, an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Christianity evangelical Protestant] [[organization]] and, as I say, I acknowledge the [[fact]] that there is no [[demon]]ic since [[Pentecost]] ….

   

   

JACK:            You know this intellectually, as a result of reading the book, and you want to know why this is a reality for these people?

JACK:            You know this [[intellectually]], as a result of [[reading]] [[Urantia text|the book]], and you want to know why this is a [[reality]] for these people?

   

   

Recca:                        Well, yes, and I would like to know -- since I know there have been no demonic possessions since Pentecost, how can I be more tolerant of this point of view or should I be more forceful?  

Recca:                        Well, yes, and I would like to know -- since I know there have been no [[demon]]ic [[Possessed|possession]]s since [[Pentecost]], how can I be more [[tolerant]] of this [[point of view]] or should I be more [[forceful]]?  

   

   

JACK:            The first thing you can do is take a very big deep breath because it will not serve you or anyone else to launch into the middle of the fray with an academic treatise about what the Urantia Book says. You have to realize the Urantia Book has only been here 50 years.  It has not seeped its way into the collective consciousness of humanity.  What you have here is a reflection of Christianity and not only of Christianity but really of all fear-based religions, and virtually all of the religions are fear-based because they all want you to get holy or something bad will happen.   

JACK:            The first thing you can do is take a very big deep [[breath]] because it will not serve you or anyone else to launch into the middle of the fray with an [[academic]] [[Writing|treatise]] about what the [[Urantia Book]] says. You have to [[realize]] the Urantia Book has only been here 50 years.  It has not seeped its way into the [[collective consciousness]] of [[humanity]].  What you have here is a [[reflection]] of [[Christianity]] and not only of Christianity but really of all [[fear]]-based religions, and virtually all of the religions are fear-based because they all want you to get [[holy]] or something bad will happen.   

   

   

That’s one of the nice things about this new textbook. Eventually its teachings will infiltrate into the consciousness of humanity such that the passions that drive them will subside. The thing is, however, you have a bunch of fear-based people who are confused about religion, who watch a lot of television and movies not only about zombies and vampires, but religious films that are filled with ignorance – religious ignorance.  The book recently out – I don’t know his name, the Angels and Demons guy who wrote about the seed of Christ --.

That’s one of the nice things about this new [[textbook]]. [[Eventually]] its teachings will infiltrate into the [[consciousness]] of [[humanity]] such that the [[passions]] that drive them will subside. The thing is, however, you have a bunch of [[fear]]-based people who are [[confused]] about [[religion]], who watch a lot of television and movies not only about zombies and vampires, but religious films that are filled with [[ignorance]] – religious ignorance.  [[Urantia text|The book]] recently out – I don’t know his name, the Angels and Demons guy who wrote about the [[seed]] of Christ --.

Recca:                        Sure, that’s [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_brown Dan Brown].

   

   

Recca:                       Sure, that’s Dan Brown.

JACK:           Yes.  These trigger the [[mind]] of man, [[stimulate]] his [[imagination]], and he goes back to his [[thoughts]] that were [[formulated]] through the [[Church]] and through the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_cult ancient mysteries], dramatized through the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_ages Middle Ages] – [[darkness]], [[dungeons]], beheadings -- going back to demonic possessions -- these are all [[fears]] that are fed by [[ignorance]] and they will not go away until such time as the [[individual]] [[believer]] – he is not even a believer – until the individual is [[transformed]] by a genuine religious [[experience]].

   

   

JACK:            Yes. These trigger the mind of man, stimulate his imagination, and he goes back to his thoughts that were formulated through the Church and through the ancient mysteries, dramatized through the Middle Ages – darkness, dungeons, beheadings -- going back to demonic possessions -- these are all fears that are fed by ignorance and they will not go away until such time as the individual believer – he is not even a believer – until the individual is transformed by a genuine religious experience.

The attempt is being made here to ease their [[minds]]. It’s a [[technique]]. Whether they are [[aware]] of what they are doing or not doesn’t matter, but if this person believes they are [[possessed]], they might as well be possessed because their [[mind]] is going to feed it and trigger it and chew on it and hang onto it and [[act]] out on it and [[bleed]] and drool and do [[horrible]] things and wail and gnash teeth and whatever it is that it [[pictures]] the [[devil]] to be.  This is a [[mind]] thing; it is not possession.  Unless you want to say, “Oh, my God, I am [[possessed]] by the [[devil]].  I have to have chocolate cake! The devil made me do it!”  Well, it’s the same thing, really. You have something in your [[mind]]; you have a need, a craving, an [[obsession]], a fixation, and you are blaming the [[devil]] for it. The devil has nothing to do with it. It’s sheer [[ignorance]].

   

   

The attempt is being made here to ease their minds. It’s a technique. Whether they are aware of what they are doing or not doesn’t matter, but if this person believes they are possessed, they might as well be possessed because their mind is going to feed it and trigger it and chew on it and hang onto it and act out on it and bleed and drool and do horrible things and wail and gnash teeth and whatever it is that it pictures the devil to be.  This is a mind thing; it is not possession.  Unless you want to say, “Oh, my God, I am possessed by the devil.  I have to have chocolate cake! The devil made me do it!”  Well, it’s the same thing, really. You have something in your mind; you have a need, a craving, an obsession, a fixation, and you are blaming the devil for it. The devil has nothing to do with it. It’s sheer ignorance.  

But they are [[ignorant]]. And so the [[Church]] is trying to –not just the Church – there are many people who are trying to relieve these people of their [[suffering]] and some of them are genuinely reaching for a [[miracle]], or a [[healing]], and there are some who are looking for remuneration, or [[fame]].  It’s a very sad [[commentary]], really, and yet it’s no [[surprise]].  If you had seen some of the things we have seen over the centuries, this is really rather civilized!  

   

   

But they are ignorant. And so the Church is trying to –not just the Church – there are many people who are trying to relieve these people of their suffering and some of them are genuinely reaching for a miracle, or a healing, and there are some who are looking for remuneration, or fame.  It’s a very sad commentary, really, and yet it’s no surprise.  If you had seen some of the things we have seen over the centuries, this is really rather civilized! 

Recca:                        Yes, it is, now that I have [[reflected]] on it as I [[listened]] to the interview.  I thought, “My [[goodness]], we’ve come a long way!” as you say, from [[ghost fear]]s, and the [[Urantia Book]] describing [[activities]] that we now no longer [[practice]] in any of the [[evolutionary religion]]s.

   

   

Recca:                        Yes, it is, now that I have reflected on it as I listened to the interview.  I thought, “My goodness, we’ve come a long way!” as you say, from ghost fears, and the Urantia Book describing activities that we now no longer practice in any of the evolutionary religions.

So, Jack, what I’m asking now is, short of spending [[time]] in the [[Stillness|Silence]], which is … I commend your current daily work, working for the [[Correcting Time]] goals, and I identify completely with these things. We don’t know what’s coming next and have [[faith]] that we will know on a need to know basis, and I [[share]] your [[confidence]] that there is time in the world to do this and I [[love]] the [[secondary midwayers]] –most of all because we’re working on this together, and I [[appreciate]] your being frank and collegial.

   

   

JACK:            By all means.  And I [[appreciate]] your [[assistance]] toward the end goal also, but in the meantime I want to say that just because there are issues floating around, in [[Fashion|vogue]], does not mean you need to do anything at all about them. Sometimes giving them no [[energy]] at all is the most [[positive]] thing you can do.

JACK:            By all means.  And I appreciate your assistance toward the end goal also, but in the meantime I want to say that just because there are issues floating around, in vogue, does not mean you need to do anything at all about them. Sometimes giving them no energy at all is the most positive thing you can do.

   

   

Recca:                        Sure.  Exactly.

Recca:                        Sure.  Exactly.

   

   

JACK:            Sometimes to argue with something is to bring up Mota 28 and you have nothing but argument hereafter and nothing is resolved.  So, observe that the universe is working as it should.  If you are not a member of this Apostolic Group that is casting out demons, you really need have no emotional response.  It’s not your business.  It’s not your task.  What is your task?  What is Recca called to do, in terms of bringing about the desired results in your life?  

JACK:            Sometimes to [[argue]] with something is to bring up [[Morontia Mota|Mota 28]] and you have nothing but argument hereafter and nothing is resolved.  So, [[observe]] that the [[universe]] is [[working]] as it should.  If you are not a member of this [http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/6/6/112828/5087 Apostolic Group] that is casting out [[demons]], you really need have no [[emotional]] [[response]].  It’s not your [[business]].  It’s not your task.  What is your task?  What is Recca called to do, in terms of bringing about the [[desired]] results in your life?  

   

   

And when I speak of light and life for the planet, that is a very far-reaching goal that we have.  It is almost better to think about, how about, Light and Life for me?  Light and Life for my family?  Light and Life for my neighborhood?  It’s not to say to start small, because there is nothing small about a fledgling soul, for a young family, or an extended family.  These are the work of your realm.  This is, in fact, what is your daily task.  So your goal can be within your grasp.  At the end of your life, then, you will be able to say, “I have met my goals.  I have participated in the settling of Light and Life on this world.  It is closer to Light and Life as a result of my having been here,” and so you will have served, even though your time here is really relatively very short.   

And when I speak of [[light and life]] for the [[planet]], that is a very far-reaching goal that we have.  It is almost better to think about, how about, Light and Life for me?  Light and Life for my [[family]]?  Light and Life for my [[neighborhood]]?  It’s not to say to start small, because there is nothing small about a fledgling [[soul]], for a young [[family]], or an extended family.  These are the [[work]] of your realm.  This is, in [[fact]], what is your daily task.  So your goal can be within your grasp.  At the end of your life, then, you will be able to say, “I have met my goals.  I have [[participated]] in the settling of [[Light and Life]] on this world.  It is closer to Light and Life as a result of my having been here,” and so you will have served, even though your time here is really relatively very short.   

   

   

Recca:                        Thank you.

Recca:                        Thank you.

   

   

JACK:            And thank you.  Don’t feel that your life is insignificant, that just because you are not on the staff of the Magisterial Son or the director of the celestial pageantry or an Apostle.  These are the tasks of those people, not millions of other ordinary beings like ourselves.  It depends upon the workers.  It depends upon those who “chop wood, haul water” far more than those who shine as if they were the Brilliant Evening Star.  This is one thing I learned from watching the Master.  I learned something about humility.

JACK:            And thank you.  Don’t feel that your life is insignificant, that just because you are not on the staff of the [[Magisterial Son]] or the director of the celestial pageantry or an [[Apostle]].  These are the tasks of those people, not millions of other ordinary [[beings]] like ourselves.  It depends upon the workers.  It depends upon those who “chop wood, haul water” far more than those who shine as if they were the [[Brilliant Evening Star]].  This is one thing I learned from watching [[the Master]].  I learned something about [[humility]].

 

===Closing===

===Closing===

I think perhaps it’s time for us to wind up our session?  Is there something else before we call it quits for the day? Anyone else? (Pause)   

I think perhaps it’s time for us to wind up our session?  Is there something else before we call it quits for the day? Anyone else? (Pause)