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Anyone who would care to edit their thoughts in reflection upon the record [[2012-05-16-Thought Adjuster Declaration]] compiled in the record's discussion page, let me know & adjustments will be made.--rdavis 19:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Anyone who would care to edit their thoughts in reflection upon the record [[2012-05-16-Thought Adjuster Declaration]] compiled in the record's discussion page, let me know & adjustments will be made.--rdavis 19:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

agree Ron that Gerdean was less than tactful in her approach to your response to my post...

 

 

 

I agree Ron that Gerdean was less than tactful in her approach to your response to my post...

It think is entirely possible that you may actually believe these ideas you are getting from 'only God knows where' for sure...

It think is entirely possible that you may actually believe these ideas you are getting from 'only God knows where' for sure...

Unfortunately any discussion of a question that I thought was worth considering has now been derailed...

Unfortunately any discussion of a question that I thought was worth considering has now been derailed...

   

   

But, Gerdean's 'problem' is definitely not the same as that of the Sanhedrin, who were the wealthy and powerful religious authorities of their day..."selfish and egotistical"...who wouldn't give it up!  

But, Gerdean's 'problem' is definitely not the same as that of the Sanhedrin, who were the wealthy and powerful religious authorities of their day..."selfish and egotistical"...who wouldn't give it up!  

They were furious because Jesus said he IS the 'Son of God', and empowered the people by reminding them that even King David had wriiten a psalm expressing this idea "ye are the sons of God". [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gospel_of_john#Chapter_10 John 10]

They were furious because Jesus said he IS the 'Son of God', and empowered the people by reminding them that even King David had wriiten a psalm expressing this idea "ye are the sons of God". [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gospel_of_john#Chapter_10 John 10]

   

   

You are also out of line by demeaning her for believing the truth as presented in the UB over your own unvalidated ideas...and being a bit of a bully trying to intimidate her, or anyone, to accept your take on how a changeless God, Who established the universes upon His own and His Sons good, orderly, direction, would suddenly violate His own perfect principles on suddenly capricious and chaotic whimsey.

You are also out of line by demeaning her for believing the truth as presented in the UB over your own unvalidated ideas...and being a bit of a bully trying to intimidate her, or anyone, to accept your take on how a changeless God, Who established the universes upon His own and His Sons good, orderly, direction, would suddenly violate His own perfect principles on suddenly capricious and chaotic whimsey.

Perhaps you could justifiable counsel these persons to spend more time in their own prayer closets in stillness, endeavoring to hear the message for themselves directly from their own indwelling Spirit, rather that trying to be God's voice to the uninitiated?

Perhaps you could justifiable counsel these persons to spend more time in their own prayer closets in stillness, endeavoring to hear the message for themselves directly from their own indwelling Spirit, rather that trying to be God's voice to the uninitiated?

<blockqutoe>Wide doors are opening which will open to our gaze the new ways we can look at things spiritually.  The fact that the Master Spirits wish to have a say in our local system of planets is an indication that the open door is going to shut no more on what it is we will be asked to share with the rest of Urantia.  It is virtually impossible to ask most humans young or old to clear their minds to the extent readers on TML and elsewhere have been able to do.  Messaging for the divine hierarchy is as old as the prophets themselves, but in the present age prophecy and messaging are said to no longer matter or exist by Urantia's population.  Until there is a direct representative of the divine work on Urantia, the thin veneer of the teaching mission and its supporters in the Magisterial Mission, have to carry out what should be the work of legions of human organizations to help materialize the existence of God on Urantia.  That is why the more important issues of what is going to happen to Urantia spiritually should be addressed and if there are complaints about modalities, let them at lest be kept at a minimum.</blockquote>

<blockquote>Wide doors are opening which will open to our gaze the new ways we can look at things spiritually.  The fact that the Master Spirits wish to have a say in our local system of planets is an indication that the open door is going to shut no more on what it is we will be asked to share with the rest of Urantia.  It is virtually impossible to ask most humans young or old to clear their minds to the extent readers on TML and elsewhere have been able to do.  Messaging for the divine hierarchy is as old as the prophets themselves, but in the present age prophecy and messaging are said to no longer matter or exist by Urantia's population.  Until there is a direct representative of the divine work on Urantia, the thin veneer of the teaching mission and its supporters in the Magisterial Mission, have to carry out what should be the work of legions of human organizations to help materialize the existence of God on Urantia.  That is why the more important issues of what is going to happen to Urantia spiritually should be addressed and if there are complaints about modalities, let them at lest be kept at a minimum.</blockquote>

Our Father has been gracious enough to put the gift of Himself, the TA, within each of His human children...Is there any reason to doubt He wants the friendship and fellowship of each and every one of them in communion every day?([[102:4|102:4.1]]), ([[52:5|52:5.4]])

Our Father has been gracious enough to put the gift of Himself, the TA, within each of His human children...Is there any reason to doubt He wants the friendship and fellowship of each and every one of them in communion every day?([[102:4|102:4.1]]), ([[52:5|52:5.4]])

Thank you for sharing this message and confirming that you were "asked by that Thought Adjuster" to make the message known to others as this confirms for my purposes that you are the human source for this message.

Thank you for sharing this message and confirming that you were "asked by that Thought Adjuster" to make the message known to others as this confirms for my purposes that you are the human source for this message.

Regardless, it has been suggested that for persons living true to themselves, the coming of the Magisterial Son could be but a courtesy call [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2006-01-14-If_True_To_Selves,_Visit_Would_Be_Courtesy_Call 1] while the return of Michael will be of little more practical importance than the common event of death [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=176:4_The_Return_of_Michael 2] and perhaps less so for those who have already seen him and consciously walk with him while living their mortal lives.

Regardless, it has been suggested that for persons living true to themselves, the coming of the Magisterial Son could be but a courtesy call [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2006-01-14-If_True_To_Selves,_Visit_Would_Be_Courtesy_Call 1] while the return of Michael will be of little more practical importance than the common event of death [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=176:4_The_Return_of_Michael 2] and perhaps less so for those who have already seen him and consciously walk with him while living their mortal lives.

It is known that the more intensely we live in each unique moment of disclosure, the less preoccupied we are with past or future events even as our experience begins to encompass their scope in a manner that hints of an evolving acclimation to eternity. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=118:1_Time_and_Eternity 3] Perhaps this explains the "conscious unconcern" of the "sleeping subject" with phenomena associated with the transactions resulting in the Urantia Papers that were regarded as fortuitous. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=110:5_Erroneous_Concepts_of_Adjuster_Guidance 4]

It is known that the more intensely we live in each unique moment of disclosure, the less preoccupied we are with past or future events even as our experience begins to encompass their scope in a manner that hints of an evolving acclimation to eternity. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=118:1_Time_and_Eternity 3] Perhaps this explains the "conscious unconcern" of the "sleeping subject" with phenomena associated with the transactions resulting in the Urantia Papers that were regarded as fortuitous. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=110:5_Erroneous_Concepts_of_Adjuster_Guidance 4]

Gratefully,

Gratefully,

The Supreme Seraphim Manotia and Loyalatia jointly expressed the following on 5/19/2012:

The Supreme Seraphim Manotia and Loyalatia jointly expressed the following on 5/19/2012:

''"With sadness we observe the exchange that is currently taking place in the forum where the Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission are taking place. The very few hands that are currently available to do the immense amount of work to be undertaken must not delve into discussions where personal feelings are taking over reason, and most importantly, personal attacks are completely out of place in the forum and out of character when associated with the dedicated readers of the Urantia book that participate in the aforementioned forums.

<blockquote>With sadness we observe the exchange that is currently taking place in the forum where the Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission are taking place. The very few hands that are currently available to do the immense amount of work to be undertaken must not delve into discussions where personal feelings are taking over reason, and most importantly, personal attacks are completely out of place in the forum and out of character when associated with the dedicated readers of the Urantia book that participate in the aforementioned forums.

"Dear brothers and sisters, pay attention instead to what is required to be done in order to support the extraordinary and divine work that is about to take place on this sphere. You must not mimic the sad practice that very unfortunately some of the original followers of Jesus fell into, that of passing judgment on others’ views as far as Father’s special enterprises and His message, conveyed by our sovereign Creator Son, are concerned.

Dear brothers and sisters, pay attention instead to what is required to be done in order to support the extraordinary and divine work that is about to take place on this sphere. You must not mimic the sad practice that very unfortunately some of the original followers of Jesus fell into, that of passing judgment on others’ views as far as Father’s special enterprises and His message, conveyed by our sovereign Creator Son, are concerned.

"Look inside of you; seek Father’s own validation of what is being transmitted via His representative in your being, the divine Thought Adjuster. I assure all of you that what lies ahead will be very hard and difficult work that might even entail possible personal harm. When there are doubts or questions about a transmission, seek the answers inside of you and refrain from feeding the soul with negative energies that stain it; the soul that you fight so hard to clean through your service and dedication to the Universal Father.

Look inside of you; seek Father’s own validation of what is being transmitted via His representative in your being, the divine Thought Adjuster. I assure all of you that what lies ahead will be very hard and difficult work that might even entail possible personal harm. When there are doubts or questions about a transmission, seek the answers inside of you and refrain from feeding the soul with negative energies that stain it; the soul that you fight so hard to clean through your service and dedication to the Universal Father.

"Like it is said on Urantia, “roll up your sleeves and get to work”. Be a guiding light to others and honor Father with your personal example. We want to remind you all that what the Father has so lovingly but firmly requested will be done here, and soon, regardless of the opinion or level of understanding of the average mortal alive today on this sphere. Prepare yourselves to be the humble mortal representatives of Father’s glorious ministry of love and mercy."''

Like it is said on Urantia, “roll up your sleeves and get to work”. Be a guiding light to others and honor Father with your personal example. We want to remind you all that what the Father has so lovingly but firmly requested will be done here, and soon, regardless of the opinion or level of understanding of the average mortal alive today on this sphere. Prepare yourselves to be the humble mortal representatives of Father’s glorious ministry of love and mercy.</blockquote>

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Rob wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Rob wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:32 AM

As I was working through [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1994-10-30-Your_Choices_Today_Affect_Future this lesson], its closing words seemed germane to this discussion.

As I was working through [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1994-10-30-Your_Choices_Today_Affect_Future this lesson], its closing words seemed germane to this discussion.

<blockquote>You desire the same goals. Service, dear ones, is still the watchword. To be of help to one another and mankind as a whole is the goal. There is revelation coming at various times. Do not allow the events of this era to cloud your spiritual growth. If, dear students, the materializations as expected do not transpire, you still have to grow spiritually. This growth is not coupled with any pre-event or non event. Your spiritual growth hinges upon your desire and continued practice of seeking Father and His counsel first.</blockquote>

<blockquote>You desire the same goals. Service, dear ones, is still the watchword. To be of help to one another and mankind as a whole is the goal. There is revelation coming at various times. Do not allow the events of this era to cloud your spiritual growth. If, dear students, the materializations as expected do not transpire, you still have to grow spiritually. This growth is not coupled with any pre-event or non event. Your spiritual growth hinges upon your desire and continued practice of seeking Father and His counsel first.</blockquote>

Thank you for sharing the obvious, namely that in this world, "religion" functions as a cult of personality used for public diplomacy e.g. social engineering by individuals confusing material control with spiritual power. Its continued presence, is unsurprising.

Thank you for sharing the obvious, namely that in this world, "religion" functions as a cult of personality used for public diplomacy e.g. social engineering by individuals confusing material control with spiritual power. Its continued presence, is unsurprising.

An overview of the technique of obtaining and retaining control by appeals to fear and 'authority' in recent time can be [http://metanoia-films.org/the-power-principle/ found here]. Ironically, that promotion of The Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission can be so prominently linked to such tactics is regrettable.

An overview of the technique of obtaining and retaining control by appeals to fear and 'authority' in recent time can be [https://metanoia-films.org/the-power-principle/ found here]. Ironically, that promotion of The Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission can be so prominently linked to such tactics is regrettable.