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Ron Besser wrote: Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I will be posting this in the archive when I get time, but it is so timely to do it now I will not wait until then. I would just mention that there has been confirmation of the arrival of the first Melchizedeks in the flesh who will set up those necessary errands to accomplish before Monjoronson arrives incarnate. These are a group of specially selected Melchizedeks, 24 in number, who will be doing the human contact to obtain the necessary documentation such as passports and other papers required of the State (nations) for those who will be working with Monjoronson on staff. While we have confirmation of the Melchizedek 24, we do not have confirmation of the human staff who will number about 100 or less to begin with. This information has been forthcoming from the area of the seventh superuniverse known as Uversa and even beyond and was received a few days ago as well. I have not had time to place these transcriptions in the archives yet.

Monjoronson has decided to place this information in the public domain in order to show everyone a good example of what it is to be found wanting by the world with regard to who he is and what his work entails. His appearance will be misunderstood, and it will create havoc, in all places, in America and China. Some information has been presented to the higher officials of both countries and we can state there is no way they understand what will be asked of them. It is unfortunate that Monjoronson must rely upon those who came up through the Teaching Mission and other programs you are familiar with to cover the lack of support from those who normally would prepare the way for such a mission on an evolutionary sphere. No one will be left behind when Monjoronson appears and he wishes all to understand that the Melchizedeks who approach humans on the planet will be fair and honest about the mission and who they are.

Jerry Lane has done Monjoronson a service and he is thanked whole heartedly for his efforts in these matters. All who read these words also need to think about what it is they could do to help Monjoronson make his case before groups and institutions and the world press and mass media when the time comes. The appearance of Michael is imminent and it must follow Monjoronson's appearance and after his organization is in place to support the huge enterprise this appearance of Michael will require. We propose that he, Michael, be called Jesus to those who are to be contacted for outreach in whatever terms it requires to alert people who care spiritually that Jesus is returning.

Thanks Ron

May 16

Steffani Murray wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:35 AM

I very much appreciate that the human recipient of this transmission, in his introductory statement witnesses truth regarding Jesus/Christ Michael of Nebadon, instead of the recent demeaning of his role and status put forth in more than a few others...

To an extent the UB validates the possibilities outlined within it...However, it does seem to me that Michael's mission to Urantia, the pouring out of HIS Spirit of Truth, and facilitating the Father's universal bestowal of Thought Adjusters is the double blessing which prepares the way for his return...and/OR the fulfillment of the FER being another Son being sent to judge the realm for HIM.

(We have UB and bibical confirmation in other places that the Creator avoids "sitting in judgment" upon his creatures, and in another place that he "judges no man", but has one who "does it for me"...If anyone wants these quotes I'll be glad to find and provide them:-) 176:2.3-5

I'm one who has seen no valid reason to replace the message given in the Urantia Papers a mere 77 years ago, doubtless less than a perceptual nanosecond to the eternally living celestial beings who delivered it, with conflicting material introduced by mortal Urantians who have rather obviously not comprehended and integrated the reliable information given within its pages...yet. I still follow the teachers sage advice to consider overtly conflicting material transmitted through mortals as "T/R error"...and this obviously requires me to know what the text actually says.

That said, NOW I'm going to put a very serious question out there to those who have seriously studied the Papers...and I would truly appreciate it if anyone willing to respond to this inquiry would give it some thought first!

It concerns this statement in the transmission Ron posted from the unidentified T/R...just how "physical" are we meaning here?

"However, before this promise to return can be fulfilled, the Avonal Son of Paradise known as Monjoronson, who will be accompanied by a team of Melchizedek teachers and a good number of other celestial personalities specially selected to assist him; all will appear on this sphere in a physical body. ... "

Here are a few 'desiderata':

We're informed that Melchizedeks can easily make themselves VISIBLE to mortals...

We're told that a Melchizedek had only 7 times "incarnated in the likeness of mortal flesh" when Machiventa did this is a "special planetary service" type material form that sustained itself via material food, etc. ...35:4.4

THEN we are also informed that VISIBLE Melchizedeks accompany EVERY Avonal on a bestowal OR Magisterial Mission. It does NOT specify that they are visible to mortals during a "born of a woman" bestowal "incarnation"...but IF a Magisterial Son opts for an "incarnation" where he appears as an adult being taking on the semblence of human form, the Melchizedeks will ALSO be visible...but it's not specific that they will necessarily be manifest in the same type of 'form'. 35:2.6 20:4.1

Putting 1+1+1 here my sum adds up to visible Melchizedeks who cannot be "flesh and blood" physical as we understand it, since there have been numerous such Avonal magisterial missions to planets in Nebadon...and 12 Melchizedeks accompany every time any Paradise Son except the Creator incarnates, but only 7 times in the history of Nebadon did one "incarnate" as did Machiventa.

Any one else able to read this differently for reaching another conclusion? That is of those who as yet regard the UB material as valid and aren't adjusting facts to fit their own theories, or interpretations of personal revelations of what is to come, over those of what has been given an 'epochal' revelation?

Frankly, I do not see how or why the next divine Son mission to a barbaric planet such as Urantia would believe that it would be wise or survivable to take on ordinary "flesh and blood" physical forms...but it doesn't seem that anyone has considered that there might be an alternative not entirely familiar nor thought of yet as being possible?

(morontia 'forms' that can phase in and out of material reality as the midwayers and angels are recorded as doing under certain circumstances for example?)

Grateful for the Adjudication,

...however it unfolds in accord with Father's Will, Way, and Christ Michael's Plan

Steffani


Ron Besser wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Hi Steffani,

You bring a lot of good questions to the table with regard to the implementation of Michael's return. While you and others are contemplating these things, you ought to include the following conditions that exist now that were not realized at the time of the writing of the Urantia Book in 1934.

1) Urantia is in default itself. This is different from the Lucifer and Adam and Eve defaults. They are related only as cause and effect to the Urantia planetary default because they helped cause the situation that has to be corrected today.

2) Urantia is lying at the bottom of a pit of remorse and confusion over Jesus. There is no religious understanding of the world and its purpose. The combination of guilt and the regeneration of materialism is effective enough to cause a break in the continuity of the Spirit of Truth and the divine mandate that all shall be made well again. This means that truth, while viable and necessary, takes a second seat to achievement in the material world. Achievement first: Truth second. On a normal world those priorities could be reversed, but Urantia is without a physical representation of the divine government and its educational universities and schools. This reversal of priorities exists and has to be dealt with as quickly as possible.

3) Only the Father and Jesus (Michael) knew of the when and why of his second return. The Urantia Book echoes this sentiment and the statement continued to be true up until the last half of the 20th century when the Caligastia default and the Lucifer rebellion were declared null and void by the Ancients of Days. In spite of several adjudications by the Michael government and the superuniverse government, Urantia continued to harbor victims and perpetrators of the rebellion in large numbers. The return of Michael has a great deal to do with the hemorrhage of truth on Urantia because no one could stem the flow of man's desire for improvement away from the very thing that would destroy him. Michael sees his return as imminent and necessary beyond just fulfilling a promise made 2,000 years ago.

4) The First Source and Center has decreed that Urantia will become an architectural sphere. That alone changes the destiny of the planet. Michael's return is, in part, a response to those architectural preparations to bring Urantia back to the flock and change the planet into a status sphere of the Nebadon local universe for ascension activities.

What was not known in the Urantia Book as it was written years ago is mostly the plans that the consequences of history have put into place on Urantia. In other words, the conditions and results of so many defaults, the intention to change the destiny of Urantia, and the Father's will for future developments, could not be codified into a revelatory text that was not meant to tell the future, but to establish the rule of God on Urantia once more.

We now live in the future - at least that is how it feels to me - and we now all sit in the seats that can view the end of an era and the beginning of a new one which has numerous elements of surprise to some. I am not uncomfortable with any of it, but I can tell that most people including those who read the Urantia Book, are not going to have a party about it. Somehow, someway, everyone of us alive now will have to understand that the planet we began our lives on, is too ill to continue and that drastic medicine is to be applied. How all of this is to materialize is still very hazy even in some minds of the spiritual hierarchy. Regardless of that, the top levels of the spiritual powers and movers see it clearly, and they are going to make Urantia over.

To do this there has to be transcendental application of the life forces. That is partially why the Father himself has taken control of Urantia. When Harry Truman said of his presidency, "The buck stops here," the same can be said of the Father. He alone has the full power to transcend antecedent cause - the very definition of transcendental reality - and he alone will condition Urantia in ways that are unprecedented in the history of the local universe and even in the history of the seventh superuniverse.

All of these things should be taken into consideration when evaluating the present circumstances and the dictation of our spiritual administrators as to what they are putting into place to accomplish the demands of Paradise that all be made well again on Urantia.

Some things are hard to get one's head around. We are so inexperienced and have so little facts to compare with other situations where remediation is essential on a planet, that we are easily persuaded to doubt and fear what sounds so unfamiliar to what we were expected to believe a few short decades ago. Yet, in my own personal experience, I have been awed by the power and mercy of Monjoronson and the love of a Creator Son who never doubts us even when we feel like running away. He believes in us more that we believe in ourselves that we can stand up and take the shower in full force to clean Urantia and its population. In the final analysis, it does come down to "regardless of what I think and what I do, may your will be done Father."

Ron


Gerdean O'Dell wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Thanks, Steffani.

Dear Ron.

I am not even going to attempt to be diplomatic. I am just going to call bullshit. Vilify me for my honesty if you must, but it is this kind of sophistry that had me up in arms in the first place, years ago, and it still bugs me that you, Ron Besser, continue to create a destiny for our planet which many of us do not believe in, and you have the audacity to have built this contraption on the transcripts that have been given to Urantia in good faith whether we T/R's like it or not. I wonder if the same thing -- manipulation -- is not happening now to Jerry Lane.

You say: "It is unfortunate that Monjoronson must rely upon those who came up through the Teaching Mission and other programs you are familiar with to cover the lack of support from those who normally would prepare the way for such a mission on an evolutionary sphere."

Unfortunate? Unfortunate that he must now ask a favor of those he has kicked in the teeth? Other programs like Abundant Hope? I don't feel sorry for him! He is a construct! In that paragraph you admit you could not have pulled off the Monjoronson mission without the Teaching Mission, and you know you cannot push it under the bus, so deal with the fact that YOUR authority is not sufficient to direct MY destiny, nor that of anyone. I defy your timeline and your compromised visions -- they are visions of grandeur.

Honest to God, Ron, do you realize the effect your ideas have on people outside of your own immediate frame of reference? And how we have to go around cleaning up after you in order to let the light of truth shine through? Where do you get some of your ideas? For example, that Urantia will be turned into an architectural sphere? That plays right into the ignorance of those who feel it's okay to destroy mother earth because everyone will be lifted in the rapture and the planet will live forever as a visitor's center. Never mind that people worked overtime to create light and life on this world! ... And you say 12 Melchizedeks are not enough. We need 24 now. Why stop there? Why not go all the way to 144,000 and capture the hearts and minds of many others?

I could speculate and hypothesize with you all day, til I am blue in the face, over many things that you set forth to tml, to Steffani, to me, but there is no point. We will never have a meeting of the minds. I thought maybe we could learn to work cooperatively because of our unity of goals but when I hear crap like you dish out, I know we are not working for the same goals at all. I will not even venture to suggest what your goals might be. A seat on the Council of 24 would not be good enough for you.

But here is mostly why I am calling bullshit on this theory. I have already seen Jesus. He is already here. He has already appeared to me. I was not hallucinating and I am not an hysterical female. I am a faith child and the Master appeared before me, and you see I did not have to wait for Monjoronson or anybody else to clear the way. And I am not going to support such a cock-a-mamy story. Michael is Master Son. He is our Creator, the creator of our very existence -- our universe, our world, our bodies, even our consciousness. He does not need Monjoronson to do squat before he can act.

Give it a rest.

Gerdean



Ron Besser wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Gerdean,

The problem you call bullshit is the same problem the Sanhedrin could not fathom and who called Jesus a bullshitter and executed him. You feel fine vilifying solutions when you know not the problems or what you are vulnerable to. At least the teaching mission without you has had the courage to fold the truth before they too fell ill over nothing much. I do not understand how a woman of your experience is only willing to press an initiative that just befriends the selfish and egotistical. Little girl Gerdean will be left sitting in the mud puddle bawling about how dirty God makes her feel when he changes things! Really, Gerdean!

Until you actually say something that carries a little intellectual weight or are privy to some announcement that justifies your behavior, there is nothing much more to be said about Gerdean's so-called response below. Honesty never requires rudeness or name calling, and you love the mud so much I wonder what you will look like when they clean you up.

Ron



Rob wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Anyone who would care to edit their thoughts in reflection upon the record 2012-05-16-Thought Adjuster Declaration compiled in the record's discussion page, let me know & adjustments will be made.--rdavis 19:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)



Steffani wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:35 PM

I agree Ron that Gerdean was less than tactful in her approach to your response to my post... It think is entirely possible that you may actually believe these ideas you are getting from 'only God knows where' for sure... Unfortunately any discussion of a question that I thought was worth considering has now been derailed...

But, Gerdean's 'problem' is definitely not the same as that of the Sanhedrin, who were the wealthy and powerful religious authorities of their day..."selfish and egotistical"...who wouldn't give it up! They were furious because Jesus said he IS the 'Son of God', and empowered the people by reminding them that even King David had wriiten a psalm expressing this idea "ye are the sons of God". John 10

You are also out of line by demeaning her for believing the truth as presented in the UB over your own unvalidated ideas...and being a bit of a bully trying to intimidate her, or anyone, to accept your take on how a changeless God, Who established the universes upon His own and His Sons good, orderly, direction, would suddenly violate His own perfect principles on suddenly capricious and chaotic whimsey.

Your are also making a serious blunder by riding roughshod over Gerdean's testimony that she has seen Jesus...

He has appeared PERSONALLY to many over the centuries here on Urantia, a planet which is his "personal ward". The people to whom he has made such an appearance (beginning perhaps with Saul of Tarsus) are not necessarily special in any way other than the fact that HE knows these individuals will benefit from seeing him this way, their faith bolstered, and be so blessed by this undeniable religious experience that they will never again question his reality and relationship with them. Others have equally profound direct experiences of the Master's Presence with them that are not visual in nature.

It is these souls who will will have a "problem" accepting your personal version of 'truth'...because they can hear from Him and get knowledge of 'the Truth' for themselves, including updates on celestial 'current events' that have transpired since the transmission and printed publication of the UB...

These are the sheep that will follow only the Voice of their Good Shepherd, and none other will they follow... They love him Supremely, and know they can trust him, because he's EARNED it by being faithful and reliable! Anyone who is attached to 'the Vine' is aware that the Father and Son are ONE, and the Spirit of Truth/Holy Spirit are infallible discerners of what is true or false or expedient for their children's growth and spiritual progress.

And it matter not at all whether such persons are relatively uneducated believers in the Jesus of the Bible, or intellectual heavyweights who took on the Urantia Book as their 'upgrade'...perhaps even of other faiths knowing them through different terms and belief systems...

Each will be given their own individualized TA corrected essential understandings of their own personal truth on a custom tailored 'need to know' basis moment by moment in their hour of need, when they will be called upon to "be about your Father's business NOW"!

A sufficient degree of sophistry detection shall be granted to all faith sons, so that 'Michael's kids' become impervious to being led astray by any amount of this they may encounter along the path to regenerative salvation for themselves and their planetary home... It is possible to read a relatively accurate account of how this process will continue to unfold in the UB text...but one would have to believe that what it says is "better than BS".

Respect-Full,

...especially of my DIVINE Superiors

Steffani



Gerdean wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Do you also wonder how Jesus could have been so stupid as to grace me with his presence?



Marty Greenhut wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Dear Steffani, Gerdean, Ron and all, I have a few words to offer about Ron's transmission from his TA. It comes from my love for you and my faith in the experience that we are having together.

I read transmissions from many sources and never take any of them to be absolutely true since they are translated into the English of the transmitter through a midwayer. This has brought me to read them all with appreciation for the effort of the celestial being, the midwayer and the mortal who is transmitting the message.

In this particular case we are reading the message of a Thought Adjuster who has not yet fused with its mortal host and therefore still has a ways to go to gain perfect communication with him.

This message is a wonderful view into Ron's mind where his Adjuster dwells and works. It brings us the thoughts of Ron as they are adjusted by his TA. Let's face it, Ron is the thinker and speaker here, giving us a look at his thoughts as they are adjusted by his divine fragment. It is God speaking through Ron's mind facilitated by Ron's faith and his tremendous experience with our celestial teachers and our planetary stages of reclamation. It deserves serious consideration and interpretation.

Let's read our transcripts and celestial messages with this kind of discrimination and appreciation for the T/R. In the case of a Thought Adjuster, it is not T/Rd but thought and spoken from the heart.

We need be careful not to get hung up in words-as-truth...such as the bible believers.

I have re-read this transcript and find it to be truly in the spirit of our anticipation of our planetary correction, of our love for Christ Michael, and gratitude for the correction of our planetary civilization.

Jesus is here with us. He has spoken to me on two occasions. But he is not here, returned in the flesh as he said he would "come in glory". (That will be a planetary experience, not an individual encounter.) He is in each one of us in the spirit and as a living friend, father, and brother just as The Father is in Him and He is in the Father.

I want to thank you, Ron, for this message and Gerdean for your zeal, and Steffani for your discernment. Love, Marty



Rob wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM

The only 'return of Michael' that will be of enduring value is his love living in and through us all. The work required is self-evident.


Steffani wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Betcha dollars to donuts Marty that was NOT from RON's TA...but one another shared with him...but we'll have to ask.

May 19

Gerdean wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:43 PM

This is not about me. You can have a conversation without my approval. I was not interjecting anything into the conversation you two were having, Steffani and Ron. I was responding to Ron's post, exclusively. My "Thank you, Steffani" was in support of your commentary, which was the first thing I read that morning, and which seemed to support my contentions, but it was not intended that my remarks "derail" any conversation between you and Ron or anybody else. All of us have experienced comments from the peanut gallery. Life goes on. And hopefully, so do discussions. I am still interested in the subject; if I were not interested, would I have even taken exception to what Ron had to say?

For example, the transcript Ron sent was introduced as from "a Thought Adjuster" -- it did not necessarily say it was HIS Thought Adjuster (as I believe Rob Davis construed and set forth in the Nordan Symposium). If it is not Ron Besser, then who is it? Why has the trend (especially since Monjoronson has taken the reigns) become one of "the lone T/R" -- and requently the lone, unidentified T/R?

Not wanting to argue for the sake of argument, but in search of truth ... beauty and goodness. None of which seem to be in abundance here lately.



Steffani wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Your comments weren't what derailed the discussion Gerdean, but the fact that Ron totally ignored my question and used it for a jumping off point to offer more of his personal revelations, which he presents as superceding the information given in a relatively recent epochal revelation.

I always review all transmissions and personal revelations to ascertain whether that which is given is compatible and builds upon previously revealed information, or negates, changes, and over-rides material given in the UB and from teachers with whom I've established a prior relationship of trust. And of course I run it by Jesus/Christ Michael's Spirit of Truth (not MY spirit of truth as some say), ask Mother's Holy Spirit to translate unfamiliar terms or language into idioms I understand, and ask my TA to make clear to me where the message aligns with truth as I am able to comprehend it, and where it may be at variance.

The main difference between your attitude towards Ron's messages and mine is that I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he believes these things to be true, rather than knowingly putting forth "sophistries".

I would be very surprised to learn that the TA who gave this message was Ron's....because He gives due deference to Jesus/Christ Michael...and I've never before observed that understanding and degree of respect from Ron...who believes the 3rd system rebellion in the universe of Nebadon requires direct intervention by the Paradise Father... Who because of the Divine Order which He Himself established, ONLY intercedes in the time/space universes through the Adjusters of individual beings. (10:1.2) (118:10.17-18)

ANY Creator Son in ANY of the local universes, no matter how inexperienced, would have such abilities as to be more than adequate to personally deal with any "uprising in the provinces" which might occur in his own, especially after becoming a Master Son following his seventh bestowal.

OUR Creator Son had ALREADY dealt with the 2 prior rebellions during 2 of his earlier bestowal missions...and provisions are made even before the universes are created for any corrections required to compensate for any havoc inexperienced creature free-will may cause.

Anyway, since no one even considered the point I was trying to make, I attempted to post the inquiry on INFLO, realized it failed to post until today...so I tried again after no one here seemed to give a flying fig newton!

Justin, bless his lil' pea-pickin' heart...managed to read, comprehend, and respond to my post as written, with an appropriate response, in a relatively short space of time...

Somehow I found this very reassuring that someone, somewhere, was able to read and understand what I'd asked...and probably even knows why I asked it...since he found it of enough interest to bother to answer.

Ignored but hopefully NOT totally ignorant and completely clueless,

Steff



Ron wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:40 PM

For whatever importance it has, both Steffani and Gerdean are correct about the Thought Adjuster transmission not being from me. It was not my Thought Adjuster. It is important that the message of the teacher or the Adjuster be considered the important focus sometimes without giving the pedigree of the source or its origin. In this particular case, the return of Michael is already being prepared for and the Adjuster as the source of knowledge of these preparations is especially important. The Adjuster is the Father and he speaks as the Father and when the Father tells us that the arrival of Michael is very soon compared to being just a promise repeated in the Urantia Book, then one already has all the authority at hand to either accept it or reject it. The Father has fulfilled his wish to inform.

Please read, if that helps, the discussion in the Urantia Book about the Bestowal Commission that was found on Urantia at the time of Pentecost. It is this Commission which is active today to prepare for Michael's return within the next few years. While it is up to Monjoronson to establish what we could call the environment in which Michael returns, it is also up to Michael himself to determine in what manner his return will resonate with those he wishes to bring into spirit to help him amplify his goals or what he wishes to accomplish on his return.

There is an unusual aspect of the return because it will be within the mission of Monjoronson. Since insofar as any of us know, the return of Michael to his seventh bestowal sphere has no precedence, there is also no precedence for a divine mission within a divine mission as this will be. The second return's importance is already established because it is our Creator Son realigning Urantia to the spiritual universe, but it has meanings of tremendous import to the Supreme Being and to Uversa, and no doubt to Paradise if we but knew the reasons.

I have been asked repeatedly to obtain permission for whatever is to be said either to this list or to other sectors that publish what is released through me. In this case, I was asked by that Thought Adjuster to make the message plainly spoken to all on the TML list and to anywhere else I thought it would do the service to alert to what is at hand. I stand ready to do these things again when I am asked to make things available while recognizing not all who hear it or read it are able to confirm them spiritually or even accept them factually. I completely understand the reader's doubts and/or misgivings, but that does not make the message wrong or impertinent.

Wide doors are opening which will open to our gaze the new ways we can look at things spiritually. The fact that the Master Spirits wish to have a say in our local system of planets is an indication that the open door is going to shut no more on what it is we will be asked to share with the rest of Urantia. It is virtually impossible to ask most humans young or old to clear their minds to the extent readers on TML and elsewhere have been able to do. Messaging for the divine hierarchy is as old as the prophets themselves, but in the present age prophecy and messaging are said to no longer matter or exist by Urantia's population. Until there is a direct representative of the divine work on Urantia, the thin veneer of the teaching mission and its supporters in the Magisterial Mission, have to carry out what should be the work of legions of human organizations to help materialize the existence of God on Urantia. That is why the more important issues of what is going to happen to Urantia spiritually should be addressed and if there are complaints about modalities, let them at lest be kept at a minimum.

Ron



Gerdean wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 4:41 PM

"... the thin veneer of the teaching mission and its supporters in the Magisterial Mission" is a classic method of diminishing the importance of the Teaching Mission while exalting the Magisterial Mission." You, Ron, still don't have the courtesy to capitalize Teaching Mission as the Magisterial Mission (referred to as the Monjoronson Mission) is capitalized, even though the Teaching Mission transcripts were used as the foundation upon which Monjoronson stands.

It must be nice to have such a powerful position in ANY mission as to be the singlemost clearinghouse for the celestial messages that you, Ron, take, solicit, use, elicit, hold back and/or post at will and with aforethought as to where and when they will impact the collective consciousness of ALL missions. It must be like having the red phone beside your bed, that only rings for you.

Putting oneself in the position of wielding God's Voice to direct the masses and to speak for Michael is not healthy, Ron. And to tell us that you or one of your unidentified "reflectivators" (fka T/R's) in your selected stable of lone T/R's has the authority that we must either accept or reject (the implications of either is apparent in your authoratative tone) borders on cosmic insanity.

Having taken possession of the transcripts, it seems you have now become important in your own mind. Beware. That is what happened to Judas.

Gerdean



Rob writes here only: Given that Ron has said that he "was asked by that Thought Adjuster to make the message plainly spoken to all on the TML list and to anywhere else I thought it would do the service to alert to what is at hand", I have taken this to a be confirmation of him as the "tr" for this message.--rdavis 21:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


Ron wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Gerdean, you have not the slightest idea of what you are talking about. You sound jealous, not intellectual. I'd much rather like to see people like you coming to the bar and asking to be part of the preparations, but if that is not possible maybe you can find another venue to hold your trials over the rest of us.

And I do not work alone which is yet another supposition you make that has no basis in fact - you just assume and then get it wrong. But why explain to a closed mind like you have what the network is all about since as you will dismiss it out of hand anyhow? I take very little worth in your messages as you do not stick to the subject and seem to only want to deal in personal attacks.

The thin veneer of the teaching mission is exactly that: it is too few people to cover the mission. You know it and I know it and so does everybody else. You mean you object even to admitting the mission is not enough any more for what has to be done? Maybe Michael should shrink the mission to suit you? I rather think this would be your preference given your limited views.

I am open to discussing a lot of things with the rest of this list, but we will have to ignore the big G if we are to keep it on track.

Thanks to all Ron



Steffani wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:44 PM

For whatever importance it has, both Steffani and Gerdean are correct about the Thought Adjuster transmission not being from me. It was not my Thought Adjuster.

Thank you for clarifying Ron. Chris's perhaps? Not that it matters...

It is important that the message of the teacher or the Adjuster be considered the important focus sometimes without giving the pedigree of the source or its origin.

Agreed, but clarifying that the one posting the message is NOT the receiver would neither identify the Source, nor be confusing to those who choose to forego utilizing their own TA to validate the origin as genuine within the Father's personality circuit, and those who prefer to listen to other humans rather than listening within during their own diligent stillness practice.

My TA found this particular message exceedingly resonant for the most part...

In this particular case, the return of Michael is already being prepared for and the Adjuster as the source of knowledge of these preparations is especially important. The Adjuster is the Father and he speaks as the Father and when the Father tells us that the arrival of Michael is very soon compared to being just a promise repeated in the Urantia Book, then one already has all the authority at hand to either accept it or reject it. The Father has fulfilled his wish to inform.

He will do that (inform) directly and individually, as He always does, not through other (mortal and fallible) people. Otherwise..."not even the angels in heaven know the day or hour" per both the Bible and the UB.

Please read, if that helps, the discussion in the Urantia Book about the Bestowal Commission that was found on Urantia at the time of Pentecost. It is this Commission which is active today to prepare for Michael's return within the next few years. While it is up to Monjoronson to establish what we could call the environment in which Michael returns, it is also up to Michael himself to determine in what manner his return will resonate with those he wishes to bring into spirit to help him amplify his goals or what he wishes to accomplish on his return.

No Divine Son is going to "be born of a woman" this time...

So there really isn't much, if any, parallel or similarity in this present situation. Having a Magisterial Son to judge the age relieves Christ Michael from having to "sit in judgment on his creatures".(33:7.1), (20:3.1-2)

There is an unusual aspect of the return because it will be within the mission of Monjoronson. Since insofar as any of us know, the return of Michael to his seventh bestowal sphere has no precedence, there is also no precedence for a divine mission within a divine mission as this will be.

That is your belief, a magisterial mission is on the agenda because that is Christ Michael's Plan...An unusual situation, perhaps unprecedented, but hardly unforeseen...no dramatic, capricious, and whimsical sudden CHANGES, but a potentially possible predicted 'suddenly' could happen at any time! (176:4.5)

Not to worry, the Paradise Sons are all on the same page, as revealed our epochal revelatory text sent to prepare mortals for the next Divine Son mission. Mortals enjoy making plans and predictions for God, sometimes even thinking He has told them a day or an hour for Jesus return or the end of the world...on a global scale rather than as a manifestation of a personal religious experience these have come and gone...which simply means something was missed in translation from the higher to lower level...or was influenced to the point of error by the would be prophet's wishful thinking.(20:4.5), (20:2.2), (20:1.13)

The second return's importance is already established because it is our Creator Son realigning Urantia to the spiritual universe, but it has meanings of tremendous import to the Supreme Being and to Uversa, and no doubt to Paradise if we but knew the reasons.

Already a 'done deal'...has been for 2,000 years...It's just that the re-alignment is understandably taking previously foreseen time to work its way through the system...Although provision has been made for believers to largely escape the negative consequences of residual rebellion sequelae NOW...whenever anyone surrenders to Father's Will and starts sincerely endeavoring to follow His plan. (50:6.5), (34:7.4 & 6)

I have been asked repeatedly to obtain permission for whatever is to be said either to this list or to other sectors that publish what is released through me. In this case, I was asked by that Thought Adjuster to make the message plainly spoken to all on the TML list and to anywhere else I thought it would do the service to alert to what is at hand. I stand ready to do these things again when I am asked to make things available while recognizing not all who hear it or read it are able to confirm them spiritually or even accept them factually. I completely understand the reader's doubts and/or misgivings, but that does not make the message wrong or impertinent.

Perhaps you could justifiable counsel these persons to spend more time in their own prayer closets in stillness, endeavoring to hear the message for themselves directly from their own indwelling Spirit, rather that trying to be God's voice to the uninitiated?

Wide doors are opening which will open to our gaze the new ways we can look at things spiritually. The fact that the Master Spirits wish to have a say in our local system of planets is an indication that the open door is going to shut no more on what it is we will be asked to share with the rest of Urantia. It is virtually impossible to ask most humans young or old to clear their minds to the extent readers on TML and elsewhere have been able to do. Messaging for the divine hierarchy is as old as the prophets themselves, but in the present age prophecy and messaging are said to no longer matter or exist by Urantia's population. Until there is a direct representative of the divine work on Urantia, the thin veneer of the teaching mission and its supporters in the Magisterial Mission, have to carry out what should be the work of legions of human organizations to help materialize the existence of God on Urantia. That is why the more important issues of what is going to happen to Urantia spiritually should be addressed and if there are complaints about modalities, let them at lest be kept at a minimum.

Our Father has been gracious enough to put the gift of Himself, the TA, within each of His human children...Is there any reason to doubt He wants the friendship and fellowship of each and every one of them in communion every day?(102:4.1), (52:5.4)

He's got it covered Ron, and doesn't need any mortal "special messengers"...just for EVERYONE to listen to Him and do their fair share of 'trust and obey'!

Why not encourage others to hear His Voice for themselves?

Perplexed,

...why you think other Spirit indwelt Urantians can't get it without your help?

Steff



Rob wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Hello Ron-

Thank you for sharing this message and confirming that you were "asked by that Thought Adjuster" to make the message known to others as this confirms for my purposes that you are the human source for this message.

Regardless, it has been suggested that for persons living true to themselves, the coming of the Magisterial Son could be but a courtesy call 1 while the return of Michael will be of little more practical importance than the common event of death 2 and perhaps less so for those who have already seen him and consciously walk with him while living their mortal lives.

It is known that the more intensely we live in each unique moment of disclosure, the less preoccupied we are with past or future events even as our experience begins to encompass their scope in a manner that hints of an evolving acclimation to eternity. 3 Perhaps this explains the "conscious unconcern" of the "sleeping subject" with phenomena associated with the transactions resulting in the Urantia Papers that were regarded as fortuitous. 4

Gratefully,

Rob


Oliver Deux wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 7:25 PM

To me it was just a question of time before humans attempt to fulfill their wishes to predict the time when our Universe Father and Brother will once again walk this planet.

Yes, Ron, I have been lurking and waiting, and have anticipated that this will come most likely come out of your stable of lone-R/Ts, most often undisclosed closet channelers.

How many times must we learn that all of our attempts to nail and peg the MS to our cross of wishfulness is futile in wanting to be the first to know when the big spiritual administrators arrive?

How many times do we need to hear lone transmitters give us dates that come and go, before we sit back and contemplate that the heaven's time frame is what it is — not to be down-sized and adjusted to our human senses?

How is it possible that you, an otherwise articulate and intelligent bro, finds so much pleasure in being the first to ticker-tape the alleged good news that has never once arrived—packed and re-packed in mere speculation.

Surely everyone knows that the epochal revelation's angels and midwayers are on record of having speculated that the MS, Christ Michael, even Adam and Eve might come here during the same time interval. So we create wishes that this happens when we are around during our very short time span on this world. Understandable. But to make this speculation a busy-body human self-wish fulfillment business is rather stale in view of our deleterious track record for time predictions for appearances.

You seem to live off spiritual glamor, seemingly believing that the Universal Father gives you privileged information, when we have been told over and over that He is no respecter of persons, that he deals with us all alike. Yes, there is what we can term, spiritual pressure, and the only difference among us is that some of us have the faith to access a part of that pressure according to our own willingness to do His will and wanting to know. But the Father has long before the CIA installed the basis of a need-to-know.

He sent teachers to work with us on our level of needing to know, individually, and you want to almost sigelhandedly change this into a world-wide web-based universal need-to-know. But spiritual growth is dedication, and it is work on oneself. It is sitting on ones tush and wanting to hear that which is for us to know, that which is the next step for us individually. All the rest is trimming, is mind candy. You may be intrigued by the possibility to live morontia consciousnes now, but unless you dedicate many waking hours to such practice, I am afraid it remains only some interesting thought of what might be possible.

Your alert to "what is at hand"? You do this since years with your MS Mission and how many times was he at hand? I lost count. I am sure you can enlighten me about the many failed prediction, some even came out of established groups.

Wide doors are not opening, they are open to the extend already that you and I sit in our stillness or meditation and humbly do the walk and not just do the talk. The only door that needs to open is the door to our personal Fragment of the living God that indwells in us. That enhanced realtionship gives us spirit luminosity and attracks others to us. We can become teachers instead of hoping that enough people click enough so that they find and recognize and embrace and practice what is offered on our websites. Most have already their own version of a possibility for God-contact. You can't lead "legions" of truth-seekers to embrace your missions overnight.

Evolution is a slow process and time is on our side. I once tried to convert time periods from the Urantia paper into our notion of time, our time sense. It's in the back of the later editions of the Concordex. I do not remember figures, but it was astronomical to convert the length of time from above to our time below. (Would be interesting to have that information again, as I have no Concordex here.)

There are no "complaints", Ron. You have been unpersuaded for a long time, and that shows among other things how much you like spiritual glamor.

Oliver



Ron wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:00 PM

TML and Steffani

I am glad to discuss these aspects with you, Steffani. Just don't lead me down the garden path to the "gotcha" stuff. I don't like it any more than you do or anyone else does. If this were not so important I would probably pass and just let the whole subject slip down the drain on the list. You and many others are not understanding there is a shift in priorities on Urantia and the way it is to be redone on Urantia does not follow the regular paths laid down by the Urantia Book. You do not have to believe me, but if you wish to comprehend the nature of these changes, it is best to allow some information come to you without stepping all over me and the spiritual personalities who sponsor these changes.

First, you and a few others on this list keep making the mistake it is just Ron's beliefs. That is not so. I do not believe in guesses. I rely on what is told by the highest spiritual personalities in the universe which the teaching mission continues to fail to engage for their own education. It is your belief these are my beliefs - that gets us no where. You attempt to confirm this view by dicing me and the messages up with your past experiences that are no longer operable as far as the teaching mission is going to operate very shortly. It would be greatly helpful to allow some messaging to come through and begin to make an impression on you. Rather than fighting every word uttered why not put that energy in a genuine effort to understand what is being told and how it will work in the big picture. Your opinions will come later.

It is no illusion. Monjoronson is going to open the new dispensation on Urantia shortly. He will set the conditions on Urantia in various ways that will serve to introduce the second return of Michael to his bestowal planet. These are the plans in the big picture. The details have not been released except to announce that 24 Melchizedeks are in the process of incarnating now. They will make themselves known soon enough.

Because the teaching mission has stopped transmitting celestial personalities who could have informed you of these changes, the mission people have gotten way behind in assimilating their part in the events to unfold. It would serve all of us very well if those who transmit would get busy and ask for transmissions from Luminerion, the seraphic chief of angelic services on Urantia. Please ask for this transmission! He awaits the invitation. There are others waiting in the wings to confirm what I have told you, but as long as any transmitter holds him- or herself aloof, there is not chance you will hear the confirming narratives that would flow to you.

Second, it is both frustrating and very irritating to hear opinions that have nothing to do with the facts of the operation I have been privileged to work with. I do not work alone. I work with at least six other transmitters each assigned a specific task in the broadcasting of materials whether they are new or old. Since the network is designed to receive from outside of the local universe, we operate in a slightly different way than the classroom. In effect, we are receivers of broadcasts and you will never understand the difference unless the teaching mission or yourself avails themselves to the way they do things. The Deities on Paradise with their Master Spirit Voices do not ask if there decisions are okay with you or me; they tell you what their decisions are and you accommodate their wishes. The teaching mission was a way to celebrate the end of t he Lucifer rebellion; the network that broadcasts to receivers on Urantia is put into place to celebrate the return of Michael!

And it is not that you have not been invited. You have been, and frequently. But the deaf ear people turn to what is being told indicates on the highest levels the teaching mission human personnel are not interested or are they caring that Michael wishes their service for himself when he arrives on this world to begin his second return and whatever he wishes to do with it. Where are your voices and offers of service? Where are you placing your desires if not in the Michael plans for Urantia?

So long as the teaching mission exists as currently run - and it is run in response in to what the group is willing to take on or do - there will be no confirmations and you will continue to make the error that these operations are haphazard and faulty. They are not either, and it is not a belief we send to you, but facts based on solid transmissions coming through the superuniverse and Havona through a network of at least six individuals bound together to get the full picture. They are not doing that for the fun of it! They are doing it because Michael is returning! Paradise is in charge of implementing the Father's will on Urantia, and it is the Father's will that Michael come as quickly to Urantia as is possible.

Third, all of you make errors in judgement that what you hear through The FLURRY or The ABC Summaries are somehow made through my particular demands, choices, or mechanization. Other than proofing and organizing these materials, it is not me but the network broadcasting pertinent data that would greatly help everyone of you to understand the era you are about to come into. Without it you will join the larger population who will react with fear and panic.

Somehow the motions must be made in each of the minds on this list that you will move toward some resolution of the stalemate so many are in as to which way to turn and what to do about the position you may find yourself in. We already know one individual on this list attacks without understanding what she attacks. We have others who just support these views without understanding they are complicit in unacceptable behavior among those who should know better.

This evening the network broadcast this response to the situation on TML. They hear everything my friends and nothing escapes their attention especially when the subject of cooperation is being threatened to become inoperable again on TML. I have no intention of identifying this message other than to say it comes from the completion seraphim who are part of the Michael bestowal commission now in full operation on Urantia.

The Supreme Seraphim Manotia and Loyalatia jointly expressed the following on 5/19/2012:

With sadness we observe the exchange that is currently taking place in the forum where the Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission are taking place. The very few hands that are currently available to do the immense amount of work to be undertaken must not delve into discussions where personal feelings are taking over reason, and most importantly, personal attacks are completely out of place in the forum and out of character when associated with the dedicated readers of the Urantia book that participate in the aforementioned forums.

Dear brothers and sisters, pay attention instead to what is required to be done in order to support the extraordinary and divine work that is about to take place on this sphere. You must not mimic the sad practice that very unfortunately some of the original followers of Jesus fell into, that of passing judgment on others’ views as far as Father’s special enterprises and His message, conveyed by our sovereign Creator Son, are concerned.

Look inside of you; seek Father’s own validation of what is being transmitted via His representative in your being, the divine Thought Adjuster. I assure all of you that what lies ahead will be very hard and difficult work that might even entail possible personal harm. When there are doubts or questions about a transmission, seek the answers inside of you and refrain from feeding the soul with negative energies that stain it; the soul that you fight so hard to clean through your service and dedication to the Universal Father.

Like it is said on Urantia, “roll up your sleeves and get to work”. Be a guiding light to others and honor Father with your personal example. We want to remind you all that what the Father has so lovingly but firmly requested will be done here, and soon, regardless of the opinion or level of understanding of the average mortal alive today on this sphere. Prepare yourselves to be the humble mortal representatives of Father’s glorious ministry of love and mercy.

END

I would be happy to provide everyone of you just how this works and what it brings to Urantia. None of us are being asked to dismantle the teaching mission, but we are being asked to adjust to the new teaching mission where it is possible to hear beyond the corp of teachers trained by Michael to now also hear the outer reaches of Nebadon, the Major Sectors, Uversa, and Havona and Paradise. Let us put aside the personal dislikes long enough to actually get some work done on behalf of the Magisterial Mission upon which Michael depends to open the door to his soon-time return.

Much is to be learned, but there are few of you on TML that want the new earth to flow forth without you setting conditions on how you are willing to participate. How does that work when the Father's will seeks no conditions on it? Where I come from, one goes where the truth goes regardless of how that damages expectations and our own comfort levels. Creation is chaotic and demanding and there is little room to allow decision makers and service guides to sit on their laurels of their yesterdays.

Feel free Steffani, to ask again anything I have no covered in these explanations.

Ron

May 20

Jim Cleveland wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Hi Ron,

The prevailing idea that you are speaking and acting alone comes from the fact that you once stood outside the Teaching Mission framework for some years, and then later began working with a collective of other people that we still do not know. Some, like 'Big G', thought your actions were autocratic, a takeover when L&L had assembled a team to produce an online Library. It was fine that you were inspired to do it but it seemed you were leaping into a new and higher realm where you and your collective would control things and avoid the Teaching Mission .... which is really not a means to your ends.

Why do this? Because you are a solitary man. Because your belief in a working control structure more than a messy full democracy. And maybe because our first US group had become judgmental and wanted to save the movement from Calvin's 'anything goes' accusations, namely Daniel and you and others whose transmissions he believes are self-serving. It is a shame that Calvin still does not begin to understand the TR process, but that's another story.

The Salt Lake - Woods Cross group began pointing fingers and judging transmitters, and we were threatened with a legal challenge if we used the words Teaching Mission for our self-aggrandizing grandstanding and profit seeking. In history, Calvin has tangled in real life with Warren (!) and Rebecca's succeeding transmitter who turned out to be unacceptable. He is scarred. Yes, they have a history, and it helped align our pioneer group against most of the rest of us. Even so, they were bold enough to schedule a room at IC11 and do a transmission session with a few interested people curious about the Abraham-Mary group.

At the time, I didn't think Ron or anyone else wanted to put Teaching Mission on anything they were doing because Calvin intended to shroud and defend the name.

But then comes a massive flow of Magisterial Mission material, a whole new body of prophecy and epochal change, seemingly the natural extension of going into service with the basic TeaM knowledge that urges you to do so. And so I still read this material over several years now, even as I hear George Barnard debunking it to his whole global network, and Gerdean argue on one basis and Steffani on another (that it succeeds the exact truth of the Urantia Book).

This has been a tiring, recurring triad of conflict and distress over the years, augmented by the disappointment that a vast majority of our people don't want to engage in arguments or debates at all and shrink away to non-participation. Period. So we hear these same few voices reiterating and others who want more harmony shying away to personal service 'as they pass by.'

I am mostly with Marty who always intervenes and says we should read everything with a grain of salt and fit it into what our own internal spirits tell us. Sure. That's what the teachers have also recommended for more than 20 years too. They say the Spirit of Truth here is greatly underutilized. I believe that the teachers are too.

Geography factors, a lack of face to face communications, has greatly hampered us. The Celestials smoothed us into email and the Internet, but the children here are still learning to use it or disdaining the use of it. Philosophic geography-smashing discussion of the mission and how we can manage or guide it by working together doesn't happen here without the same old same old conflicts ripping it apart.

Even so, if Ron had been a charismatic leader, we would all be a giving and sharing part of his organization. If I had been such, we would have an international community publishing a magazine and subsidizing and supporting books, music and secondary material. Gerdean could perhaps have the land and a growing Zooid Colony in Wyoming. Marty's Harp of God Foundation would have donors and contributors and appreciative people in other new spirituality fields who would enjoin for mutual growth. We would be doing more to support Daniel Megow's Church Within, Daniel Raphael's Spirit Wings and sustainability networking, Mary's bright new Urantia book, Byron's well-crafted book projects .... Maybe it would all be something resembling ONE movement.

Instead of cooperation, we have too often pulled against one another, created little fiefdoms that are actually intended to be separate, or tried to fit our spiritual connections into some kind of business model or traditional ministry framework. None of this really works because the Teaching Mission is what it is, and not what anyone necessarily wants it to be.

In 1996, Manutia Melchizedek summed up the Teaching Mission task we have: "For unto you has been given the task of opening the way to a broader acceptance of celestial intervention." Simple.

In other words, we are to broadcast the reality that all humans can find great spiritual guidance through direct contact with God and his mighty minions. People don't know this, even though many go to church in a kind of dazed, semi-search for it. They pray but don't listen for a response because they are afraid of hearing voices. Bizarre.

I think the Teaching Mission should be pleased and proud to serve in this capacity and we seek to do that with the Teaching Mission Network. I do it in anything that I have or will publish in any form.

The Magisterial Mission can adjudicate the planet and I will observe and help as I can. In a field where people are still throwing long-dried cow chips at one another, I am still searching for some magic mushrooms growing out of the pasture patties to enlighten us into ... teamwork without judgments. It is okay to say that some of my friends think other of my friends are full of BS, though, since that's been the case all my life.

I don't care because you are some of the greatest, most spiritually enlightened people on the planet. (Either right as rain or wrong as hail sometimes) I will wait with some objectivity about the actual arrival of physical spiritual personalities, ETs and Michael's direct intervention. I am sure that if cats can be herded, the celestials will have the awe factor and can do it where we have failed.

In the meantime, don't forget that individuals do most all of the work. Groups don't. They try to organize and facilitate effort. But it only takes one person working alone with the spirits to create a great piece of work. Teamwork is great, but we have and will do much great work without it.

After several would-be critical readers of the Teaching Mission manuscript bowed out, too busy, I have one great reader and editor lined up to review this manuscript in June. So I will wait until these other eyes and another keen mind takes a final look at these 600 plus pages, when he has time to do it in June. One messed-up fact can mess up a book and this is an important one to get right.

I'm now finishing a strenuous final edit and pulling teacher quotes for the back cover. James will design. I need to Index it, but don't know when I'll ever find the time. Would be very good for readers. Volunteer? Word has a good indexing system. I could come up with a payment, work for hire.

Will move the mss. into Mac Pages eventually to make it easy to work in close to 30 photos of many smiling faces. Create PDF for printer.

Perhaps this book will make that 'thin veneer of the Teaching Mission' shine a little brighter. My plan is to ........ Create and Wait. The celestials are going to do what they are going to do and I'm not awfully worried about humans being perfectly apace with it.The acts are ours, the consequences go to God. So we need to elevate our acts to the very highest possible level.

Love to ALL of you ONEs.

Keren/jim

ps This all seems interesting enough to pass it to the TEAM NET administrative council and contact team. Some may consider joining TML.



Steffani wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:03 AM

O.K. Ron,

Surely we have all encountered in our travels a vehicle upon which the owner has placed a bumper sticker with the pithy saying..."Jesus is Coming, LOOK BUSY!!!"

No one could honestly doubt that sometime, somewhere you read that message and took it very seriously to heart! Equal obvious is that people know about his promise to return...They think about it a lot, and have for 2 millenia believed at various junctures that his return was IMMINENT...Who knows, in cosmic terms it may very well be SOON!

Rob mentioned this concept from the UB, but didn't post the quote...likely thinking neither you nor anyone would be interested enough to read and consider carefully what it says...to bluntly paraphrase...it's just not THAT important to any individual mortal who is forever connected to him in the Spirit anyway! (176:4.7)

I wonder whether you are truly unaware that the Spirit is "doing his own work" preparing potentially millions of mortals "in the Spirit" and "by the Spirit" for all that is to come upon Urantia. Most of these people have never heard of a textbook bearing that name, or the expanded "cast of characters" it introduces...

A Magisterial Son by that name may surprise more than a few, but "we're all looking for someone" as the old Moody Blues song so succinctly put it...Oh, seems like centuries ago by now! Jesus, Mohammed, the 'World Teacher' Matrieya, the Invisible Imam...LORD knows, there's a veritable pantheon of human Deity expectations. Christ Michael has a Plan that will satisfy all of these longings...Believe it...Or not.

If a 'true prophet', Al Wolf's vision is correct... They are ALL going to see EXACTLY who they were expecting to see whenever push comes to shove! GOD can do that sort of thing you know! Remember the report in both the Bible and the UB that when the Spirit came at Pentecost every man heard the 'good tidings' spoken in their own language so s/he could understand? However, that day will remain on 'hold' until and unless there is no other way to preclude irreparable harm to the biosphere here...

Gerdean has made several points that are worth considering, and being responsible for what we each teach is one, and another REALLY good point is that the idea that this natural world will be remade as an architectural sphere betrays the planet into the hands of the apocalyptic destroyers who cannot understand that being "dominion" means careful husbandry of all things and beings, not raping and murdering, or pillaging into oblivion. Father granted human beings free will to decide for HIS Will of their own self-will...There's really only 2 choices!

It sounds to me as if you believe that everyone else is no longer tuning in to messages from our Celestial OverSeers, IF they are not on the same frequency band that is hearing the same messages that you and "at least" 6 other people are receiving. You were perhaps expecting to hear confirmation that what you believe is also believed by others to be true? Perhaps you are perplexed or disappointed that this isn't happening...and that not everyone has been able to concur regarding the accuracy of these messages that you and these other unknown transmitters have been so urgently and insistently offering to your fellows?

Even if those persons you consider the old fashioned TeaM, assembled by teachers answering to Machiventa Melchizedek, founded upon the UB text principles, aren't 'out there' transmitting messages from the Divine Hierarchy... This doesn't necessarily mean that they have stopped listening to Father in the stillness, or aren't hearing from Michael, Mother Spirit, and anyone else their Divine Parents have directed to orient them for whatever planetary changes are coming...including the Magisterial Son if there is any way they can be helpful to their fellows during the coming transitions.

For the most part, that will continue to be ministry of a humble nature, doing good to their fellows as they pass by...this old world needs a whole lot of that in order to translate 'hell' back into 'heaven' you know...

Divine fiat cannot miraculously change the hearts of evil men who prefer to "rule in hell, than serve in heaven"... And Urantia unfortunately still has a stubborn contingent of these lurking about in this world's 'high places'. Only ongoingly experiencing the consequences of universe progress increasingly manifesting ONLY the Will of God as being real will eventually eliminate this 'ego problem'...as those who feel separated from God realize that this is impossible, as nothing and no one can exist apart from rather than as a part of God as an extension of His Will. Only it may take a little more time...out of eternity. (3:5.4), (4:1.1)

No "Gotchas", this is just another viewpoint from someone who sees the situation from a different perspective. Steff



Rob wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:32 AM

As I was working through this lesson, its closing words seemed germane to this discussion.

You desire the same goals. Service, dear ones, is still the watchword. To be of help to one another and mankind as a whole is the goal. There is revelation coming at various times. Do not allow the events of this era to cloud your spiritual growth. If, dear students, the materializations as expected do not transpire, you still have to grow spiritually. This growth is not coupled with any pre-event or non event. Your spiritual growth hinges upon your desire and continued practice of seeking Father and His counsel first.

Light and Life occurs simply when the meaning and end of religion is realized by one and increasingly more persons, the vestibule of eternity where heaven and earth have disappeared but only because they no longer function as separate categories of experience.



Ron wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Hi Steffani and others,

Regarding the Melchizedek proposal to incarnate: Malsutia Melchizedek speaks with some authority on this question of appearance. He tells that they will appear in human form and represent all the races found on Urantia. In other words, they would be virtually impossible to tell apart from the normal appearance and variations of the current racial groups on Urantia.

While I do not know the reason for the number given of 24, it is these 24 who have been given the charge to set up the conditions on Urantia that will make the appearance of the Magisterial Son easier to comprehend on Urantia. They are also mindful of the exposition required to prepare Urantia for the return of Michael.

They do not require assistance in housing and other sustainment for being the flesh. They have already acquired housing and are establishing themselves within the communities they will operate from. It has been said that already there exists several houses in close proximity to some of you where the Melchizedek households are established and operating. Since this subject of location and operations is yet confidential I am not able to tell anyone more, and that is not to imply I know more than what I have said.

The big picture begins with the introduction of the Melchizedeks who have volunteered to undergo this exercise. Those volunteers are 24 in number initially.

There then follows an additional 12 Melchizedeks on the Magisterial staff who will be incarnated upon the arrival of Monjoronson on Urantia. The 12 Melchizedeks on staff serve a different function than the initial 24. The 12 on staff Melchizedeks are actually "retainers". Retainers play the role of overseeing the affairs of Urantia during the Magisterial Mission and act as a collective Planetary Prince.

Machiventa Melchizedek has been retained as the acting Planetary Prince on Urantia. However, he is also one of the 12 on-staff Melchizedeks who will incarnate with Monjoronson and will be the chief "retainer" for the duration of the mission.

The 12 Melchizedek retainers who appear with Monjoronson will incarnate in the likeness of mortal flesh and will be indistinguishable from the normal human appearance of our population just as the other 24 Melchizedeks shall appear.

There will be additional Melchizedeks appearing on Urantia aside from the group of 36 described above. Do not forget that Urantia will be divided into districts for the Magisterial Mission. No one has finally determined the number of these geographical districts, but they will number from about 50 to 100. Whatever the final number will be, each district will have a Melchizedek governor. Each district will contain a physical headquarters out of which will operate the various concerns having to do with the Magisterial Mission and the return of Michael. Humans will be on staff with the Melchizedeks in each of these districts.

At the very least we will have on Urantia 50 Melchizedek district governors plus the 36 spoken to earlier making a total of 86 visible Melchizedek representatives serving at one time. I would expect that the actual number may approach or be 100 incarnations of Melchizedeks when all is said and done, but the 100 number is a guess and not yet supported by any statements from the Melchizedeks themselves.

The Planetary government organization will change dramatically. It already has in places. The appearance of Monjoronson will signal the revisions designed into the system to actually take place.

The Planetary Prince as an administrative office will be revised.

Because Christ Michael is the Planetary Prince of Urantia, his appearance on Urantia will signal his assumption of that office until he returns to Salvington.

To accommodate his assumption of the office of the Planetary Prince when he arrives on Urantia, the acting Planetary Prince, Machiventa Melchizedek, will be transferring his authority to acting as Chief of the Melchizedek Order of Twelve, the body of retainers acting on behalf of Monjoronson in the governance of Urantia aside from the duties Christ Michael will assume as the Planetary Prince.

No information has yet become available of the final disposition of the various personnel in the Urantia spiritual government after Michael returns to Salvington and after Monjoronson finishes his work on Urantia. I think we need to understand we are speaking to the passage of at least 1,000 years before these future questions can be addressed on our level.

The Urantia Book itself warns the readers of the text that what is outlined in the Urantia Book may not actually be transform Urantia, and that the Book discusses processes that a normal planet would follow to change from one dispensation to another, and from one divine visitation to another.

From Paper 57 (56:7.5) " Each new evolutionary attainment within a sector of creation, as well as every new invasion of space by divinity manifestations, is attended by simultaneous expansions of Deity functional-revelation within the then existing and previously organized units of all creation. This new invasion of the administrative work of the universes and their component units may not always appear to be executed exactly in accordance with the technique herewith outlined because it is the practice to send forth advance groups of administrators to prepare the way for the subsequent and successive eras of new administrative overcontrol. Even God the Ultimate foreshadows his transcendental overcontrol of the universes during the later stages of a local universe settled in light and life."

Urantia's disdain-ment is to be turned into its attain-ment through a simultaneous injection of evolutionary change with an attendant change in its destiny-status. The Master Spirits underlined Michael's announcement several years ago by sustaining Michael on his announced intention to use Urantia as part of the Salvington educational worlds for the work of ascension and the study of the Lucifer rebellion. When Michael appears on Urantia, regardless of what else he appears to do, he will assume the duties of Chief Director of the School for the Study of Rebellion. This school now existing on Edentia is being moved to Urantia with Christ Michael becoming its head.

The appearance of the Melchizedeks in the flesh spoken to above represent the invasion of space by divinity manifestations not predictable at the time of the original Urantia Book disclosures. At best it can be said the book understood the presence of the 12 Melchizedek functions on the Magisterial Staff, but the addition of more than that was not seen at that 20th century stage of revelatory discussions. Nor were the divinity manifestations of the Master Spirits seen in the early Urantia Book to be remotely concerned with the outworking of the rebellion consequences on Urantia and in Satania. And perhaps the greatest divinity manifestation to unfold on Urantia which was completely underreported by the Urantia Book, is the unique position of Michael and the Father in the unfolding affairs of Urantia. These relationships are worthy of several new chapters in the second volume of the text to be offered sometime probably in the next century.

The quote cited from Paper 57 reminds us that when the revelators established a narrative for us to understand, that the narrative itself may no longer be entirely true or will events unfold as the text outlines as a normal process to be followed.

What is essential to grasp for the reader and teaching mission advocate is that the vision of a Urantia outlined in the first Urantia Book is no longer entirely valid. Now I am talking about Urantia and not speaking to each individuals relationship to Jesus and the Father - those are separate considerations for another time. But I am speaking to the entire system of revelation given to us over 70 years ago as being outdated enough that it sends to the mind some expectations of changes that will be overridden and expanded far beyond what people even on the spiritual side of the equation thought would or could happen. The Book is the best reference volume on the planet for definitions and relationship discussions. But its cosmology of what Urantia is to become can not be said to be true in every respect anymore. I foresee this mismatch of print and actual accomplishment to cause a great deal of angst and even misbehavior when the divine missions actually come to Urantia to begin the Father business of reclamation.

This change from what the reference text is stating and what is to become, causes more people to doubt the whole thing then it should, but it is the case right now. I do not know what Monjoronson or Michael or even the Master Spirits will do about the disconnect with the present generation of readers concerning what they read and then what they are told. There may be a period of broken connections for a while between what is printed and what is being established. However this problem when addressed, I am sure they will find a way and be successful in bringing it to our attention.

The secret of incarnation is to be found on Sonarington and it is in a sector of that sacred sphere we are never allowed to visit. What that means consequentially is that the appearance of flesh and blood in an incarnated divinity appears just like that regardless of the nature of that flesh and blood. Vicegerington holds the secrets about how divinity may incarnate and actually represent the Deities on Paradise. Again, unless we are trinitized for specific service which requires our incarnation and representation of some one of the functions of Paradise Deity, that sector too is withheld from our experience. The Urantia Book makes no excuses for keeping manifestation secrets about the personnel assembled from the spiritual hierarchy who gather on Urantia to reclaim her. As in any mystery then, there are plenty of questions but almost no explanation to all that can be seen.

And the changes Urantia is to undergo very soon will never be understood by everyone even in spirit.

Manotia writes: "The world of Urantia begins its trek toward being well again through the manifestation of thought brought forward through myriads of spiritual persons who understand as much about the spiritual administration on Urantia as I do. However, there are elements of the proposed changes to Urantia that even we, Completion Seraphim, can not persuade ourselves is entirely possible, much less operable within the confines of Nebadon."

Ron



Marty wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM

At 09:00 PM 5/19/2012, you wrote:

TML and Steffani

I am glad to discuss these aspects with you, Steffani. Just don't lead me down the garden path to the "gotcha" stuff. I don't like it any more than you do or anyone else does. If this were not so important I would probably pass and just let the whole subject slip down the drain on the list. You and many others are not understanding there is a shift in priorities on Urantia and the way it is to be redone on Urantia does not follow the regular paths laid down by the Urantia Book. You do not have to believe me, but if you wish to comprehend the nature of these changes, it is best to allow some information come to you without stepping all over me and the spiritual personalities who sponsor these changes.

"A shift in the priorities"

Ron, this is the problem that we are having. Priorities are constantly shifting in our personal lives, in our households, in our political lives, and worldwide. Our personal decisions regarding these priorities are our creative effort to build our life situation; our freewill intentions and desires.

Spiritual priorities, however, never change. Spiritual priorities are God's will for us personally, in our social lives and for our world in the progressive attainment of the Supreme. It is all the love of God to be manifested by us in our lives. The very purpose of our lives is the doing of the will of God. That is the only priority of relevance that we all have. We are all learning how to do this;. It is an experiential learning experience in our relationship with God.

The "shift in priorities" of which you speak lies in a realm hidden to us mortals.

It is God's will for each one of us, presented to us within, that will enable us to relate to the divine decrees regarding the outworking of the Correcting Time.

And, you are announcing these changes of priorities like a railroad conductor announcing the departures and arrivals of trains whose schedules have been thrown out due to a storm or other such mishap.

First, you and a few others on this list keep making the mistake it is just Ron's beliefs. That is not so. I do not believe in guesses. I rely on what is told by the highest spiritual personalities in the universe which the teaching mission continues to fail to engage for their own education. It is your belief these are my beliefs - that gets us no where. You attempt to confirm this view by dicing me and the messages up with your past experiences that are no longer operable as far as the teaching mission is going to operate very shortly. It would be greatly helpful to allow some messaging to come through and begin to make an impression on you. Rather than fighting every word uttered why not put that energy in a genuine effort to understand what is being told and how it will work in the big picture. Your opinions will come later.

What I do about this difference of opinion about the mortal guesswork around the outworking of the Correcting time is pay attention to everything that is reported from individuals, T/Rs, channelers, writers and websites worldwide. I call it the Greater Teaching Mission which is the voice of God as it is being heard by Urantians of all sorts with the multitude of hang-ups that we have.

Lets face it. We do not directly receive the universe broadcasts. We do not even posses Harps of God to enable us to hear them. We are dependent upon imperfect mortal transmission of these messages from heaven and, though you keep telling us about direct reception which is new, the messages hardly sound like divine broadcasts and the receivers of these messages are closeted in secrecy.

The Teaching Mission has a special place in this Correcting Time since we have the UB as our text and the Teaching Mission experience bringing it to life. Now you speak of broadcasts other than T/Ring and we have a new phenomenon to consider and to relate to.

I have heard people calling T/Rs frauds and now your broadcasts are being questioned. This brings up the matter of trust which we are all working on regarding our own trustworthiness or our trust of our peers. In any case it is best to bring this up publicly as a social quest and to discuss this phenomenon at length. Your request for our trust requires greater transparency.

It is no illusion. Monjoronson is going to open the new dispensation on Urantia shortly. He will set the conditions on Urantia in various ways that will serve to introduce the second return of Michael to his bestowal planet. These are the plans in the big picture. The details have not been released except to announce that 24 Melchizedeks are in the process of incarnating now. They will make themselves known soon enough.

These are your beliefs that came to you as messages from unknown (to us) receivers.


Because the teaching mission has stopped transmitting celestial personalities who could have informed you of these changes, the mission people have gotten way behind in assimilating their part in the events to unfold.

That is an unfortunate opinion that has no basis in truth imo. Father is reaching everyone of us who communes with him about these matters.

Second, it is both frustrating and very irritating to hear opinions that have nothing to do with the facts of the operation I have been privileged to work with.

That is because you operate as a secret CIA asset and come out with seemingly preposterous claims.

I do not work alone. I work with at least six other transmitters each assigned a specific task in the broadcasting of materials whether they are new or old. Since the network is designed to receive from outside of the local universe, we operate in a slightly different way than the classroom. In effect, we are receivers of broadcasts and you will never understand the difference unless the teaching mission or yourself avails themselves to the way they do things.

Tell us about this group. Who are they? What is their receptive technique? Did they volunteer for their tasks? Are they all perfect at the job they are doing? Are they a special mortal corps of destiny?

The Deities on Paradise with their Master Spirit Voices do not ask if there decisions are okay with you or me; they tell you what their decisions are and you accommodate their wishes.

This does not sound to me like Father's way.

Where are your voices and offers of service? Where are you placing your desires if not in the Michael plans for Urantia?

The Teaching Mission has had many purposes and results, the Correcting Time being the main effort. I have celebrated meeting our celestial family and learning something of the manner of universe social life.What network do you speak of here about the return of Michael? You are the only one from whom I have heard this.

And it is not that you have not been invited. You have been, and frequently [BY YOU]. But the deaf ear people turn to what is being told indicates on the highest levels the teaching mission human personnel are not interested or are they caring that Michael wishes their service for himself when he arrives on this world to begin his second return and whatever he wishes to do with it.

This is a very rash judgement which has no ground in truth.

Where are your voices and offers of service? Where are you placing your desires if not in the Michael plans for Urantia?


So long as the teaching mission exists as currently run - and it is run in response in to what the group is willing to take on or do - there will be no confirmations and you will continue to make the error that these operations are haphazard and faulty. They are not either, and it is not a belief we send to you, but facts based on solid transmissions coming through the superuniverse and Havona through a network of at least six individuals bound together to get the full picture. They are not doing that for the fun of it! They are doing it because Michael is returning! Paradise is in charge of implementing the Father's will on Urantia, and it is the Father's will that Michael come as quickly to Urantia as is possible.

That is very far out Ron. Six people, you say? who are they?

Third, all of you make errors in judgement that what you hear through The FLURRY or The ABC Summaries are somehow made through my particular demands, choices, or mechanization. Other than proofing and organizing these materials, it is not me but the network broadcasting pertinent data that would greatly help everyone of you to understand the era you are about to come into. Without it you will join the larger population who will react with fear and pani

I have enjoyed and valued these transcripts as much as I value those from Donna and Daniel. However let me repeat that I do not take the words that come through as truth. I pay attention to the spirit of the messages and give them to Father in my heart where they are given truth or thrown into the recycling bin.

Somehow the motions must be made in each of the minds on this list that you will move toward some resolution of the stalemate so many are in as to which way to turn and what to do about the position you may find yourself in. We already know one individual on this list attacks without understanding what she attacks. We have others who just support these views without understanding they are complicit in unacceptable behavior among those who should know better.

These are opinions that you have. Not facts.

This evening the network broadcast this response to the situation on TML. They hear everything my friends and nothing escapes their attention especially when the subject of cooperation is being threatened to become inoperable again on TML. I have no intention of identifying this message other than to say it comes from the completion seraphim who are part of the Michael bestowal commission now in full operation on Urantia.

Posting this transcript without its human receiving source is an unfortunate happening, Ron.

The Supreme Seraphim Manotia and Loyalatia jointly expressed the following on 5/19/2012:

"With sadness we observe the exchange that is currently taking place in the forum where the Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission are taking place. The very few hands that are currently available to do the immense amount of work to be undertaken must not delve into discussions where personal feelings are taking over reason, and most importantly, personal attacks are completely out of place in the forum and out of character when associated with the dedicated readers of the Urantia book that participate in the aforementioned forums.

"Dear brothers and sisters, pay attention instead to what is required to be done in order to support the extraordinary and divine work that is about to take place on this sphere. You must not mimic the sad practice that very unfortunately some of the original followers of Jesus fell into, that of passing judgment on others’ views as far as Father’s special enterprises and His message, conveyed by our sovereign Creator Son, are concerned.

"Look inside of you; seek Father’s own validation of what is being transmitted via His representative in your being, the divine Thought Adjuster. I assure all of you that what lies ahead will be very hard and difficult work that might even entail possible personal harm. When there are doubts or questions about a transmission, seek the answers inside of you and refrain from feeding the soul with negative energies that stain it; the soul that you fight so hard to clean through your service and dedication to the Universal Father.

"Like it is said on Urantia, “roll up your sleeves and get to work”. Be a guiding light to others and honor Father with your personal example. We want to remind you all that what the Father has so lovingly but firmly requested will be done here, and soon, regardless of the opinion or level of understanding of the average mortal alive today on this sphere. Prepare yourselves to be the humble mortal representatives of Father’s glorious ministry of love and mercy."

END

I would be happy to provide everyone of you just how this works and what it brings to Urantia.

WELL HOW ABOUT IT?

None of us are being asked to dismantle the teaching mission, but we are being asked to adjust to the new teaching mission where it is possible to hear beyond the corp of teachers trained by Michael to now also hear the outer reaches of Nebadon, the Major Sectors, Uversa, and Havona and Paradise. Let us put aside the personal dislikes long enough to actually get some work done on behalf of the Magisterial Mission upon which Michael depends to open the door to his soon-time return.

Does this mean that you want us to just listen to everything that you tell us without question?

Much is to be learned, but there are few of you on TML that want the new earth to flow forth without you setting conditions on how you are willing to participate. How does that work when the Father's will seeks no conditions on it? Where I come from, one goes where the truth goes regardless of how that damages expectations and our own comfort levels. Creation is chaotic and demanding and there is little room to allow decision makers and service guides to sit on their laurels of their yesterdays.

Why do you talk down to us like this?

Feel free Steffani, to ask again anything I have no covered in these explanations. Ron

Marty


Gerdean wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM]

Cult of personality From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. Sociologist Max Weber developed a tripartite classification of authority; the cult of personality holds parallels with what Weber defined as "charismatic authority." A cult of personality is similar to hero worship, except that it is established by mass media and propaganda.



Rob wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Thank you for sharing the obvious, namely that in this world, "religion" functions as a cult of personality used for public diplomacy e.g. social engineering by individuals confusing material control with spiritual power. Its continued presence, is unsurprising.

An overview of the technique of obtaining and retaining control by appeals to fear and 'authority' in recent time can be found here. Ironically, that promotion of The Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission can be so prominently linked to such tactics is regrettable.



Gerdean wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Hi Rob.

This should have gone to tmtalk. It isn't exactly appropriate for TML, although it does behoove us to be mindful of how cults are intertwined with religious politics, such as we have seen in Washington, D.C., and which we will no doubt revisit this year during election debates involving Mormonism. But again, this is not a topic for TML. I posted more on this topic on TMtalk and we can discuss it more over there, including what Heinlein put forth in "Stranger in a Strange Land" in which the televangelist controlled the way people vote.

That the Teaching Mission and the Monjoronson Mission are so prominently linked is indeed, regrettable.

See you on tmtalk!

Gerdean



Rob wrote: Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Hello Gerdean-

I don't subscribe to the separation of religion and culture anymore than I do to the division of heaven and earth. It is into just vacuums of mind that is projected the illusions you cited and wish to dispel.

Gratefully,

Rob

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