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Lighterstill.jpg WARNING: Readers should be apprised of conflicting assessments of the document 2013-08-31-New Era Conversations 7 that cast doubt upon the integrity of the entire corpus emanating from its source.

Rob wrote tml: Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:55 PM

At least the mask is off for all to see the real Dick Cheney.

(see discussion page for 2013-08-31-New Era Conversations 7 for background).

Magisterial Mission coopted by NeoCons

Rob wrote tml: Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:29pmCT

Seriously, this obvious co-option of the Magisterial Mission by the NeoCons mirrors their takeover of the Teaching Mission Archives. Same strategy, same effect; persons of conviction go underground.

Rob wrote Nordan Editorial Advisory Board members: Wed, April 23 at 8:22pmCT

Dear Friends,

Daniel's transmitting proceeds without any discussion outside his small circle of devotees. As such, it seems the increasingly desperate appeals to money, mass audiences, and strong arm politics is becoming more vivid. Please read the NEC 19 document and its discussion page then let me know what you think.

Gratefully,

Rob

Rob wrote: Wed, April 23 at 8:31pmCT

"the Russian invasion of the Crimean peninsula?"

Daniel must not be able to read anything but commercial media. Next we will hear that the Malaysian flight was hijacked by Iranian terrorists with fake passports given that was the initial ploy.

"You see the incapable process that occurred in Syria. That situation devolved into. . . [as an aside for us, viewing this situation is far more than horrific or terrible or catastrophic;] the willful starving of a nation’s population by its leader is evil to the point of being a rebel of the universe."

Perhaps Daniel thinks fascist oligarchies fattening on genetically modified (poisoned) foods is good.

Gerdean wrote on tml: Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Thank you.

April 24, 2014

Mer wrote: April 24, 2014 at 12:47pm

Hi all;

As you know, I believe all transmissions are potentially subject to human error. When I reflect on Jesus' decision to avoid entangling his ministry in politics during his sojourn on the planet, it makes me doubt the credibility of transmissions where celestials on high are engaging in political commentary. It's not that I don't think the angels and Melchizedeks have an opinion about global events, but rather that it seems more likely they will advise us that we must solve these knotty problems ourselves.

warmly, Mer

Rob wrote: April 24, 2014 at 2:52pm

Hello Mer-

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Political commentary is a part of political thought, the social dimension of spiritual thought. Michael/Jesus represents well the attitude of the Father standing aloof from political, social, and economic disputes while teaching how to perfect the inner spiritual life. Avonal Sons will differ in as much as they represent the Son whose responsibility is the governance of the group. Regardless, as he would be building upon the foundation of Michael's mission, it is hard to imagine a divine being upholding social practices built on deception.

Gratefully,

Rob

Marty Greenhut wrote on tml: Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 2:14 pm

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11773

Evidence for Russian Involvement in East Ukraine Based on Shoddy Journalism Robert Parry: The Obama administration and Kiev government claimed that Russian soldiers were present at the building occupations, yet it turns out that this assertion was based on photos the U.S. government provided to NYTimes and that the newspaper since has had to retract

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11773

Rob

Rob wrote: April 24, 2014 at 3:05pm'

Hello Marty-

Thank you for sharing evidence of misinformation used by those dependent upon deception to advance failed social programs predicated upon the illusion of isolation.

Gratefully,

Rob

April 25, 2014

Byron Belitsos wrote:On Apr 25, 2014, at 11:48 PM

I agree with Rob about this distinction, as the MM is indeed pointed toward the social and political dimensions as well as spiritual.

However, Rob, I don't quite get your point about appeals to money, masses, etc. Don't see anything different than the usual here.

But I do think the equation of Putin and Hitler is way off. And Putin is not the only aggressor; we now know that the West spent billions covertly to disrupt the existing regime in Kiev, and ironically, the current Kiev government has fascist tendencies and even has open Nazis in its supporters. Putin has become aggressive in part BECAUSE of this pro-Hitler element the fomented a coup against the elected government.

That's my 2 cents, Byron

PS In connection with my conference out here in mid-June, I got in touch with Jeff Cutler and Liz Engstrom Cratty who were mentioned in NEC 18 for their work of bringing the SSDT model to University of Oregon. They agreed to drive south and speak on the subject at our conference and I am thrilled about that. Have a look at the current schedule which is shaping up quite well: http://evolving-souls.org/conference-schedule/

April 26, 2014

Rob wrote: On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:18 PM

Hello Byron-

I know you agree about the material, economic, and political nature of the Magisterial Mission building upon the foundation of Michael's bestowal whose most poignant social policy may be expressed in the statement, inasmuch as you do to the least of my children, you do to me. (155:3.4)

This discussion reminds me of how the great test of idealism is seen in an advanced society maintaining military preparedness which renders it secure from all attack by its warloving neighbors without yielding to the temptation to employ this military strength in offensive operations against other peoples for purposes of selfish gain or national aggrandizement. (71:4.17)That persons cannot see the desperation of a bankrupt civilization represented by United States' arbitrary enforcement of an increasingly dubious USDollar currency used for purely private gain is shocking to me.

This Daniel Raphael forum attributed to our Magisterial Son indulges in a display of ignorance that is reminiscent of the Rush Limbaugh show. This makes it necessary for me as the one who is hosting these records for public examination to offer alternative opinions in the record's discussion page as the only way to show that all of these human documents do not enjoy the affirmation of those who read them. Instead they may be merely evidence of something greater, irreducible to the methods of indirection inherent in second hand approaches to divinity so often appropriated by mortals for material gain.

Gratefully,

Rob

April 27, 2014

Rob wrote:On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:54 amCT

Hello Rick-

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! To be sure, I am a devotee of faithfully hosting literature attributed to our unseen friends regardless of reservations concerning their value. It is a very human story we are weaving as we speak, and I appreciate its beauty unifying the many contrasts available for us to experience in the mortal frame.

Matters of fact occur in an arena where skepticism is helpful inasmuch as it requires all information to be well supported by evidence. In this regard, I welcome what you refer to as the "down and dirty" manner of Daniel's representation of Charles. Of course, I don't think for minute that a being of his order will be concerned with the dirt on the face of any who find themselves in error of fact. It is, after all, not mere information that is transformative, rather such details of fact meaningfully integrated in a mind infused with the value our being that is limitless.

As for what I see that "appeals to money, mass audiences, and strong arm politics" in this transcript, it is the attempt to function as trusted political commentator who could be relied upon to give the true perspective into situations on the ground much the way propaganda machines wielded by states conducting what is euphemistically called public diplomacy as a tool to embolden their delusions of national supremacy. However, this is only the latest in a number of transmissions attributed to Daniel that are indicative of a human overreaching his limited capacity to represent a knowledge that is not his own. As a result, his work is impugned by the discovery of error "on the ground".

Your comments are not flippant but an essential component of making more credible this experience of walking and working hand in hand with those who are, by their nature, unseen to material senses.

Gratefully,

Rob