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Among the many objections to Daniel Raphael's work are:

*1. He cites academic authority using a bogus Ph.D.
*2. His work parrots Neo Conservative US foreign policy. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2013-08-31-New_Era_Conversations_7 NEC 7][https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2013-09-13-New_Era_Conversations_8 NEC 8] 
*3. He cites the Rothschild family as a model of social sustainability. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2013-10-18-New_Era_Conversations_9#Lesson NEC 9]
*4. He has spiritual beings citing the amorality of their protocols.[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2014-04-25-New_Era_Conversations_20#Dialogue NEC 20]

Please see the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-04-25-New_Era_Conversations_20 discussion page] on a previous contribution of this [[author]] to better understand why the content is in this discussion page rather than in the article page. 
==Comment(s) 6/22/2017==
'''On 6/22/2017 10:53 PM, Rob Davis wrote:'''

Dear Friends,

I am afraid I must now begin to treat [[Daniel Raphael|Daniel’s]] work as in the same genre as [[Ron Besser|Ron’s]] e.g. material minded [[wishful thinking]]. As such, I will continue to examine his output on a case by case basis, and I will create a record of the [[document]], but it will have a ‘[[disinformation]]’ flag and remain empty until such time as there exists a [[quorum]] who would choose to move it from a discussion page to the article page. 

His preoccupation with [[sensationalism]], [[materialism]], unearned money (lottery winnings), and unearned [[authority]] (fraudulent PhD) have finally made it impossible for me to recommend his material. I have concluded that his work is no better than his PhD that I discovered by inquiring with him directly, that indeed, he does not possess as there is no copy of the [[dissertation]] he often cites. Rather he says "it has now become something else". I think that sums up well my thinking about what used to be a capable [[TR]].

If you have any thoughts you wish to [[share]], I would gladly hear them.

Looking forward,

Rob
==Comment(s) 6/23/2017==
'''On 6/23/2017 6:35 AM, Marty Greenhut wrote:'''

Thank you Rob. I totally agree with you. It looks to me like self-deception. Certainly not celestial help! I have always sent out Roxanne's posts with reluctance.

Marty
==Comment(s) 6/26/2017==
'''On 6/26/2017 2:59 PM, Dave Tenney wrote from Istanbul:'''

Hi rob & all,
The addition of a caution flag sounds fine for you to add as editor/archivist on material for which any significant concerns exist. That way such posts still exists but are not added to the archival collection unreservedly. The inclusion of noted reservations helps suggest to current or future readers that some amount of discretion re: the potential fallibility of T/R'd material is generally acknowledged up front, identifies those posts that may seem least credible, and prompts the reader to use their personal discretion, --all of which may increase the overall credibility of those posts of most clear value.
IMHO,
~Dave

'''On 6/26/2017 10:15 AM, Rob Davis wrote'''

Hello Dave -

Many thanks for your well seasoned thoughts! You have expressed my intentions very well, and I trust that current or future readers will appreciate the reluctance with which I utilize these ‘flags’ even while respecting that there exists limits to tolerance in every place and time. Allowing that limit to be redrawn by including questionable material in the discussion page if not in the article page invites dialogue rather than debate. The former having a center with no sides while the latter features two opposing sides. 

Gratefully,

Rob
==Comment(s) 6/28/2017==
'''On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Byron Belitsos wrote'''

I will have occasion to visit with Daniel at IC 17. Perhaps I (we) can get
a better read on his situation while we are there in Denver (Mer, Dave,
and I). It happens that Daniel got a speaking engagement there as part of
the łinterfaith day", so that is something to keep an eye on as well. Byron

'''On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Rob Davis wrote'''

Thank you for sharing your thoughts Byron! I will look forward to hearing of your meeting and learn what he presents in an Interfaith context given his focus is upon material concerns. The bulk of his sustainability discourse might be suited to an academic audience if it was presented as his own work.
==Comment(s) 7/19/2017==
'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''

Transcript reads okay to me. Please explain more. 

There seems no pre-occupation with material things since our world and our societies are all Material. The material world is a great concern. And Is there any doubt that a sudden massive influx of money would do wonders in Urantian ministry. Money makes everything work and so a righteous indignation against it seems ill-advised.

Why do you want to create yet another schism in the movement.? Maybe you just don:t understand what the CO work is all about because you are fixated on another reality.

GOOD WISHES, jim

'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 11:46 PM, Rob wrote'''

Hello Jim -

Thank you for contributing to the conversation! After reading the talkpages, let me know if you need  further explanation.

However, as to your thoughts extraneous to the specific document in question, 

:1. I don’t agree that “our world…(is) all Material”. 
:2. I don’t agree that "money makes everything work”. 
:3. What can be ‘split’ is but a material repercussion of what cannot be split eg. indivisible.
:4. IMO, the ‘CO work’ has little to do with what is spiritual, eternal, and indivisible.

Gratefully,

Rob

'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 1:33PM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''

I believe that our material world concerns are extremely vital and much more immediate and important than our spiritual philosophies.

Yes, money does provide the impetus for everything. Humans must learn to deal with this, since all worlds that we work in will have a currency system. You can:t make it disappear no matter how spiritual you are. 

Don:t get the split reference.

The Colorado projects have to do with developing sustainable institutions with spiritual values — a great need. 

This has to do with the Correction Time on the planet and little to do with abstract ideas about eternity. It isn:t theoretical; it is real.

You do a great disservice by slamming other people and their transmissions when you don:t seem to get the context. You just slapped Daniel in the face and he should not send you anything else if you:re going to hang it up for your personal disaparagement. 

Celestials can be practical too, when dealing with the problems of a problem planet.

jim:

'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Rob wrote'''

As you think, so you are. Hence quality of thinking is the goal of earthly existence. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=81:6_The_Maintenance_of_Civilization 1]

Abundance is in the eye of the beholder; still, a new age is dawning where money will mean nothing. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2003-04-06-Resurrection_of_the_Master#Service.2C_Money 2]

Wholeness is indivisible, but you cannot learn of your wholeness until you see it everywhere. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=9.6_The_Acceptance_of_Your_Brother 3]

‘Sustainability' is evidence of the temporal wishing for the eternal, eg. wishful thinking. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wishful_Thinking 4]

Advances of civilization are born in the inner world as it is only the inner life that is creative. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=111:4_The_Inner_Life 5]

Attention given to the thought of others demonstrates respect for the thinker if not their thinking.

Spirituality is at once the measure of nearness to God and usefulness to one’s fellows. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=100:2_Spiritual_Growth 6]

'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 5:05PM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''

Sounds right in each case. Do these quotes really have any bearing on this conversation?  You seem to want to transcend all Humanity; I want to live in IT for awhile. You seem to want to think like a Spirit when there:s work to do here.

'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Rob wrote'''

Yes! Here is the only ‘place’ to be ;-)

'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 5:14PM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''

I once heard Eudora Welty deliver a beautiful lecture on *place* in Fiction.

The time and space worlds are in some respects Fiction. Each planet is an Omnibus; each person comprises a Novel. Each person is a library and when they die, their library goes with them.

'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Rob wrote'''

Sounds like a wonderful lecture!

Isn’t is great how the infinite is in finity and how time is forever unfolding the eternal!
==Comment(s) 7/20/2017==
'''On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Marty Greenhut wrote'''

This is a profound question regarding our lives during the planetary correcting time and how we participate in it. The question of the veracity of transcripts, the spiritual focus and the material problems of our world must be dealt with by each one of us. Thanks for sharing this important dialogue Rob. Daniel's transcripts certainly present questions (for me) of source and relevance, nevertheless we can only discern their truth in our hearts with divine guidance. Jim Cleveland is a dedicated and committed TeaM advocate. He is the person who got me to join the tml e-list with our Teachers and receivers in 1999.

'''On Jul 20, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Rob wrote'''

Hello Marty -

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! 

Profound questions are invitations to deeper discovery. What I find interesting to witness is how such questions are resisted rather than welcomed. It would appear that comments attributed to Andrew are germane here where he says, "many of the beliefs that you hold, you hold as self-protective devices to give pseudo-meaning to your experience of material reality. You fear that to give up your beliefs would leave you with nothing. But to surrender them to the truth will give you more peace and light than you can imagine”. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-10-02-Tolerance_and_More#Truth 1]

Gratefully,

Rob

==Comment(s) 7/21/2017==

'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''

We have tens of thousands of spiritual personal growth lessons, received over some 25 years in the Teaching Mission. 

The Colorado work is with the Magisterial Mission, which is concerned with re-building sustainable institutions with spiritual values. This requires a great deal of concentration on the material world and its realities. 

You can:t work on society:s real problems with your head in the clouds and your heart in the spiritual world. We aren:t spirits; we:re humans with work to do. The folks in Colorado have made  admirable efforts and provided a foundation for future work. The real point is learning to work and co-create consciously with celestials.

Lessons of the Teaching Mission provide a foundation for all of the work and will soon be featured in a global TM Portal. A huge IT strike in India has halted our work for now.

jim


'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Rob wrote'''

Dear Jim,

That you are enamored of Daniel’s discourse is evident. If you studied it, you would find:

:1) it parrots NeoCon foreign policy
:2) promotes US exceptionalism
:3) extols amorality 

I don’t know of any proponent of ‘sustainability’ that finds these attributes sustainable. However, trial and error is the method of human evolution, and while evolution is painfully slow, it is, after all, terribly effective.

More recently, Daniel’s discomfort with the documentation of this thinking has found him stating on behalf of Machiventa, that the effort to build a “global TM Portal” would take only a week or two. So carry on! With each passing day, you prove him wrong.

Gratefully,

Rob

'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''

You are correct. I have read no such transcripts. 

My keenest observation over the years is that readers often do not know what the writer is saying. 

Sometimes they link it to old mind baggage and think they do.

Send samples if you would like.

I'm busy on a manuscript urging the Urantia World Fellowship to break ties with the Foundation.

jim

ps In all the world, the US does have the greatest potential. 

'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Rob wrote'''

The talkpages of the documents concerned are on record for any to read and comment if they desire. Otherwise, potential is a function of the limitless value of each person without regard to their nationality.

'''On Jul 20, 2017, at 5:55 PM, (rec'd 9:15 AM 7-21) Marty wrote'''

Well Rob, our beliefs are the intellectual infrastructure of our minds which must remain open to experiential development, yet represent the steering wheel of our search for truth. Surrendering belief to truth is the way to live with Father in His realm which is and will be an eternal  learning process. Yet our beliefs are mere reflections through a very dark glass. We live in darkness and are newborn into this darkness. I Think that is the reason for holding belief so strongly as a prop in our lives since we know not where we are or what we are and must learn this one step at a time like a newborn child. It is an eternal process called soul growth and does not happen in the mind but through the mind. This perception of being a newborn baby born into eternal life is helpful to me. 

Communication is difficult ...even impossible at times... since belief systems, like stage sets, need to be changed as the scenes and acts of the dynamic drama of our lives require new  and expanded light.  

I have been sending people to daynal.org referencing transcripts.

Thanks for your good work. Where are you living now?
Marty

'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Rob wrote'''

Hello Marty -

I agree! Beliefs like frames of reference, while necessary are invariably wrong. 

Last night I took the time to read the entirety of [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-10-02-Tolerance_and_More#Truth this lesson] attributed to Andrew. It struck me as quite eloquent. A portion I enclose that I sense is germane to our current discussion.

"Much confusion fills your minds. The teachings of your planet, of your culture, of your time, are evolved wisdom. Truth lies beneath them, and may or may not correlate with your beliefs. A belief is a formulation of your human mind. It may or may not be based in fact. It may or may not be true. In fact, your beliefs are frequently more of a hindrance to your seeing and finding truth than a help. It is essential for you, then, to become as aware as possible of the beliefs that you hold in your mind, to examine them, one by one, as you become aware of them, and hold them up to the mirror of truth. We would have you learn to break through the vale of self-deception to see reality in a clear light. It is our mission to bring you light". [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-10-02-Tolerance_and_More#Truth 1]

He seems to mirror your own thinking. In any event, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, lending them to issues as they arise.

At the moment, I shuttle between Costa Rica and the United States. I plan to be in the states next week and in NC around the 21st. It would be great to see you again.

Gratefully,

Rob

==Content==
TR:  Daniel Raphael

Team members present:  Roxanne Andrews, Craig Carmichael and Liz Cratty

Invocation

June 19, 2017

MACHIVENTA:  Good morning, this is Machiventa Melchizedek.  It is a pleasure to be with you once again.

The “event” off the table for now

We have spoken in months past, even years past, about a nexus that we call “the event.”  Many of you eventually surmised that it may have involved a huge amount of money being won perhaps through the lottery.  Your guess would be correct.  However, as events have proceeded that option is no longer viable, at least at the present time.  It may be useful in a future occasion when the current developments become more revealed. 

Two research projects needed for best practices in child rearing

We have not spoken before of the monetary requirements to develop a global program of local community clinics for families, or for the societal development of training projects to train political candidates, social and cultural leaders and so on.  It has been estimated by This One, conferencing with several others that it would take approximately between $45 and $90 million dollars over a span of 60 months to bring this program into completion.  The main difficulty with this project is that it would take approximately 2 years to be up and running and available online.  There would need to be a research project to ascertain and to collect the wisdom of the ages for the “best practices” for child rearing, parenting, and family dynamics.  This would involve two research projects: one would be for the indigenous wisdom of cultures that now exist and also the second would be the survey and collection of all literary social science research having to do with those best practices.

Raising children to be socially competent and responsible

You know, as well as we do, that there are individuals around the world who are well-balanced, who are pleasantly engaged in their social life, and who seem to be fairly content with their life and living.  And you may wonder how these people were so fortunate to come into life with such a wonderful disposition.  What did their parents do to raise them to become so competent socially and socially responsible?  How is it that their intrapersonal relationship is as pleasant as their interpersonal relationships are?  Surely there must be wonderful parenting skills out there that could be taught to millions and billions of couples and individuals who have or are going to have children, who could become far more competent and capable parents to bring into the world a new generation of contented individuals. 

This is the foundation of developing the Days of Light and Life.  All societies are built on individuals; individuals who are leaders, who are competent and capable administrators and wonderfully careful and effective followers.  These skills come from the family.  As you know from the Urantia Book, families are the basis and foundation for all civilizations and all societies and the good working order of all communities.  They provide the foundation for the new Era of Light and Life.  There is no other place to start to heal your world than at the family level.  Individuals who are competent, capable, and resourceful would become the best leaders in generations ahead.  By addressing the needs of future generations today, by raising those children into competent, capable adults, you will have the basis for actively bringing this world into the Days of Light and Life, for which the Correcting Time has its main thrust and its main mission.

The beginning of great difficulties

On a second note, we have also said that several years ago, beginning in 2012 and following years to 2015 that the year 2018 would be the beginning of great difficulties.  You are seeing great difficulties in the world now, but if those are exacerbated many fold, then it would harm the disposition of many billions of people.  We simply do not have time to use the lottery winnings of those millions of dollars to begin the process that must be engaged within the next year or two.  It is not that these programs will heal your world—no, they certainly will not.  You in this generation and the next generation will have the onerous but great, great responsibility to bring in an era of sustainability of social stability, peace and eventually social sustainability. 

Overpopulation of our world is about 60%

What we do in this generation is for the future.  What we have proposed all along is a reclamation project for reclaiming your world.  As you know, your world is far too overpopulated at 7.3 to 7.5 billion people currently.  Your world far exceeds its sustainable level by approximately 60%.  How will you reclaim your world; how will you use your technologies; how will you build sustainable societies, families and nations and associations of nations?  These are the things that we are anticipating now for your world.  It is not that we do not care about you in this generation or the next generation, for we do.  How your world got into this situation is because of the individuals who are leaders, and followers were not thinking about the care and disposition of future generations.  This is not something to blame them, or hold them as responsible, for there has been a tremendous ignorance about how to manage your planet.  Most were concerned about managing their own personal life, and as you can see from millions of people around you, they cannot even do that. 

Christ Michael’s strategic plan for our world

What has been needed is planetary management leadership with a strategic plan that brings your world into the Days of Light and Life.  This is the plan that Christ Michael and his management executive team has developed for each of the planets that were in the quarantine.  Each planet has its own plan, its own planetary managers, and staff to bring those plans of Christ Michael into being.  It is not a matter of time, but a matter of development.  If you are conscientious to evaluate and discern the progress we have been making in the last 25-30 years, then you know that your world has progressed very rapidly.  Social change has been immense; it has been exponential in the last 60 years.  In many ways, this works for the good of your planet and future generation, but it surely does work against the happiness and the equal and good balance of your world today.  It brings you up short—and when I say, “you,” I mean collectively your nations and your global populations and your leaders—brings you up short that there is so much to do and so little has been done. 

Planetary management by the spiritual teams of these planets that are in quarantine is essential for your worlds to be healed.  Soon your world will be engulfed in change, which is immense and which could spiral into great desperation and destruction.  We are here to help prevent that; we do know that there will be immense losses in all regards across the board for your world, yet there will be a plan in place for its healing and for the generation of sustainable communities that will include sustainable families and the training of those families and parents-to-be to become competent parents, community leaders, and eventually national leaders as well.

Implementing strategic plan 

Now, if you were a thinking individual, you would be thinking to yourself, “Well, Machiventa, if this sudden huge amount of money would not work, then what do you have up your sleeve to help us out in this desperate situation?”  If you were a thinking person, you would realize that the means, which is not just money but connections, and it comes down to wealth, fame, and power.  Who is benevolent enough to bring such a project into being that would have a global impact within a few weeks and definitely in a few months and surely within one year, where all those plans would be shared globally and across all nations that are connected to the Internet?  Those nations are democratic or totalitarian; everyone would have the benefit of using what we would teach through this network.  I am not disclosing in any way what connection or what this position or what means this would be, except to say that this is part of the plan of Christ Michael for the desperate situation your world is in today.

By your clock, we are halfway through our session this morning; it is a much abbreviated session as This One has a business obligation that cannot be delayed, but must be attended to.

Liz:  How does your introductory statement relate to the event that takes place this fall?

Personal reactions to revelations

MACHIVENTA:  We will defer answering that; we will let you guess at that.  Let me speak casually with you, one of the reasons we “hold our cards clutched to our vest” is that we have found that revealing even a little bit to our followers, holds them in apprehension of what will occur.  Their minds become solidified; they become inflexible in their thinking; they lose the capacity of “possibility thinking,” but only are invested in speculation without becoming more involved in their active lives in a pragmatic way in their communities.  Yes, they are connected, and that is all that I can say about that at this time.

Liz:  Thank you for that answer and I know that is true when we get word of worldwide calamities to come.  I know that personally I go into a place of fear and I don’t want to be there.  I would rather be in a place of faith, and so I have to work doubly hard to accept these predictions.

A new type of “church” for Urantians called “clinics” 

To pivot to another topic, I was quite taken with the idea of the default of the Urantia Foundation in their mandate to create churches.  The idea of a Urantia Book based church, is kind of a problem for me—I can’t quite visualize it as church in general has not been a positive experience for me.  I wonder if you could shed some light on your vision of what a new type of church would look like. 

MACHIVENTA:  Thank you, I appreciate the opportunity to speak about this.  “Church” is a most difficult concept for people to accept.  Everyone in your communities has been acquainted with churches, even the atheists who have come across to the Urantia Book know about churches; and they know about the culture of churches and how difficult it has been.  We have sidelined the word “church” in the writings with This One and call them “clinics.”  They are clinics for healing; they are clinics for teaching the dynamics and processes and skills and abilities of sustainable families, of a sustainable lifestyle, of sustainable thinking and believing, and of sustainable intrapersonal structure within the personality of the individual. 

Churches have lost their way, and so suddenly the first Urantia communities have lost their way as well when it comes to churches.  They have immediately thought of some orthodoxy of rituals, ceremonies, pageantry, costumery, and so on.  This is all washed out; this has no meaning; this has no contribution to individuals.  Yes, it does in some individuals raise them into a state of piety, which is most admirable, a position of tremendous worship.  But for the vast majority of people who come to church, they are put off by this display.  It is simply “too gorgeous” to believe God is imprisoned here, and that they represent God’s simple presence in their lives.  It is essential that you not hold the thought or image of a church or priests or ministers in their regalia as being operational in the Urantian Churches that “we” envision for you, that “we” are prepared to help you develop and to establish.  Think more of churches around teaching, that are training, even in the very earliest training that occurred in the Catacombs of Rome, it was not a church; it was a school; it was a place of spiritual discussion, of spiritual realities, or the awakening to God as a Father, rather than God that was much as the Romans held their God and Gods. 

You and we are on the same page, Dear One; we hope that this helps you and others to establish a “clinic” for the healing of souls, for the healing of minds, for the healing of emotions, the healing of your culture, for healing in each of the seven spheres of human development are necessary for the full development of the human psyche and the relationship between the individual and their Thought Adjuster within.  I hope this clarifies for you.

Liz:  You have given me much to think about, thank you so much for that answer.

[This is Daniel, Liz:  Did he answer your question or did he get off on a tangent? 

Liz.  No, absolutely.  I have a whole new understanding of what he is talking about.]

Craig:  When we think of a “church in the new concepts” that they are really social institutions of religious culture and learning.

MACHIVENTA:  You are exactly right!  It is a complete change of culture from religiosity of Christianity and Orthodoxy and Catholicism that is so much different and is so much more friendly and healing.  We can only create this with you, co-creatively.  Be aware that there are many, many millions, if not billions of Nebadonia’s assistants and angels to assist you in the process.

Craig:  We can get scared about what’s going to happen in the future and apprehensive, but that’s not very productive.

The division of the Urantia movement

MACHIVENTA:  As you recall former discussions about the division of the Urantia movement into the three organizations, you may see a way through for those progressive individuals in all three communities to begin designing a “clinic” for sustaining families and for developing good working families who have a spiritual base that uses the Urantia Book as a reference, rather than as an authority.  We are concerned that the division of the Urantia Movement has become so divisive and unproductive that the three organizations are no longer able to aid their followers to grow into the mighty souls that your world needs.  You are correct, Craig, in saying that there is much good among all the groups, and that there is a way forward by thinking positively, rather than by looking back in the past of those divisions.  Anything that we do and can do for you will be done now and in the future.  The past is only a reference of errors and mistakes and good working order successes that can assist you and us to build a global community that works for the good of all.

I see that there is a vacant spot in our airtime and if there are no questions, then I will ask you to bring this to a close.  Roxanne, you have not said anything.  Whether you have a question or not, would you please reply?

Roxie:  I had a question but you covered it thoroughly in your introduction statement.  I was just now wondering if there was any particular direction you would like us to go in our inquiries to assist you in this new stage of implementation?

Discussing the affect of the environments

MACHIVENTA:  Only in one regard.  You all seem so deathly serious about what you are doing.  You could be more casual, less formal and more informal and even friendly.  I know that you are friendly with us, but your demeanor is quite formal as though you were talking to the CEO of some large organization and you were “hat-in-hand” asking for a job.  We are, on the other hand, very familiar with you and well acquainted with you and will accept almost any behavior except that which is demeaning, derogatory, or defaming, which you are not of that type at all.  It is not so much the topics that need to be discussed, but the affect of our discussions that I would like you to address.

A “pat-on-the-back” for our French Brothers and Sisters

With that I will say, “adieu” for today and the French are always present on our minds, are they not, as they have come into a new social/political orientation and they seem to be so confrontational, but so willing to find new routes and new organizations that work to help the good of all.  They are an admirable example of the Latin culture.  We wish you good day.

==Spanish Content==
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Charlie Z <cazapata24@gmail.com>
Date: 2017-07-03 15:20 GMT-06:00
Subject: MET 17 junio 19 2017
--rdavis 21:49, 4 July 2017 (UTC)



Nueva Era de Transición # 17 - Criar a los hijos; Superpoblación; “Iglesias” - Jun. 19, 2017

 

Melquisedec Maquiventa, Director y Príncipe Planetario

 

Temas:

 

1.       El “evento” fuera de la mesa por el momento

2.       Dos proyectos de investigación necesarios para las mejores prácticas de crianza de los niños

3.       Crianza de los niños a ser socialmente competente y responsable

4.       El principio de las grandes dificultades

5.       La superpoblación de nuestro mundo es de un 60%

6.       El plan estratégico de Cristo Micael para nuestro mundo

7.       La implementación de planes estratégicos

8.       Reacciones personales a revelaciones

9.       Un nuevo tipo de “iglesia” para Urantianos llamada “clínicas”

10.   La división del movimiento Urantia

11.   Discutiendo el efecto de los entornos

12.   Un “pat-on-the-back” para nuestros hermanos y hermanas francesas 

TR: Daniel Raphael

Los miembros del equipo presentes: Roxanne Andrews, Craig Carmichael y Liz Cratty

Invocación

19 de junio 2017

MAQUIVENTA: Buenos días, presente Maquiventa Melquisedec. Es un placer estar con ustedes una vez más.

 

1.       Un “evento” fuera de la mesa por el momento

 

Hemos hablado en los meses pasados, incluso los últimos años, alrededor de un anexo que llamamos “el evento.” Mucho de lo que eventualmente supuso que podría haberse imaginado una enorme cantidad de dinero que se ganó quizás a través de la lotería. Su conjetura sería correcta. Sin embargo, como los acontecimientos han precedido esa opción ya no es viable, al menos en el momento actual. Puede ser útil en una ocasión futura, cuando los desarrollos actuales llegan a ser más revelados.

 

2.       Dos proyectos de investigación necesarios para las mejores prácticas de crianza de los niños

 

No hemos hablado antes de los requisitos monetarios para desarrollar un programa global de las clínicas de la comunidad local para las familias, o para el desarrollo de la sociedad de proyectos de formación para capacitar a los candidatos políticos, líderes sociales y culturales, y así sucesivamente. Se ha estimado por éste, conferencia con varios otros que se tardaría aproximadamente entre $ 45 y $ 90 millones de dólares en un lapso de 60 meses para llevar este programa a su finalización. La principal dificultad de este proyecto es que se tardaría aproximadamente 2 años para estar en funcionamiento y disponible en el momento. No tendría que ser un proyecto de investigación para determinar y para recoger la sabiduría de las edades de las “mejores prácticas” para la crianza de los hijos, la paternidad y la dinámica familiar. Se trataría de dos proyectos de investigación: uno sería para la sabiduría innata de las culturas que existen actualmente y también el segundo sería el estudio y la recopilación de toda la investigación en ciencias sociales literaria que tiene que ver con esas prácticas.

 

3.       Crianza de los niños a ser socialmente competente y responsable

 

Ustedes saben, así como nosotros, que hay personas de todo el mundo que están bien equilibradas, que están gratamente comprometidos en su vida social, y que parecen estar bastante satisfechos con su vida que están viviendo. Y usted puede preguntarse cómo estas personas son tan afortunadas como para llegar a la vida con una disposición tan maravilloso. ¿Qué es lo que hacen sus padres para elevar sus hijos y que se conviertan en personas tan competentes y socialmente responsable? ¿Cómo es que su relación intrapersonal es tan agradable como son sus relaciones interpersonales? Seguramente debe haber maravillosas habilidades de crianza por ahí que se podía enseñar a millones y millones de parejas e individuos que tienen o van a tener hijos, que podrían llegar a ser mucho más competentes y capaces que los padres pueden traer al mundo en una nueva generación de individuos satisfechos .

 

Esta es la base del desarrollo de los Días de Luz y Vida. Todas las sociedades se construyen sobre los individuos; individuos que son líderes, que son administradores competentes y capaces y seguidores maravillosamente cuidadosos y eficaces. Estas habilidades provienen de la familia. Como ya saben del Libro de Urantia, las familias son la base y el fundamento de todas las civilizaciones y todas las sociedades y el buen estado de funcionamiento de todas las comunidades. Ellos proporcionan la base para la nueva era de luz y vida. No hay otro lugar para empezar a sanar su mundo que el nivel familiar. Los individuos que son competentes, capaces, y con recursos serían los mejores líderes en las generaciones venideras. Al abordar las necesidades de las generaciones futuras de hoy, elevando a los niños en adultos competentes, capaces, que tendrán la base para llevar activamente a este mundo en los días de Luz y Vida, para lo cual el Tiempo de Corrección tiene su eje principal y su principal misión .

 

4.       El principio de las grandes dificultades

 

En una segunda nota, también hemos dicho que hace varios años, a partir de 2012 y los años siguientes a 2015 que el año 2018 sería el comienzo de grandes dificultades. Ustedes están viendo grandes dificultades en el mundo ahora, pero si aquellos que se vieron acentuados muchas veces, esto pondrá en peligro a mil millones de personas. Simplemente no tuvimos tiempo de usar las ganancias de la lotería de esos millones de dólares para iniciar el proceso que debe ser comprometido en el próximo año o dos. No es que estos programas curarán su mundo-no, ciertamente no lo harán. Ustedes en esta generación y la próxima generación tendrán la onerosa, pero gran, gran responsabilidad de llevar a una era de la estabilidad social, la paz y la sostenibilidad social con el tiempo.

 

5.       La superpoblación de nuestro mundo es de un 60%

 

Lo que hacemos en esta generación es para el futuro. Lo que hemos propuesto a lo largo de un proyecto de recuperación será para su mundo. Como ya saben, el mundo está demasiado superpoblado en el 7,3 a 7,5 mil millones de personas actualmente. Su mundo es muy superior a su nivel sostenible en aproximadamente un 60%. ¿Cómo se va a recuperar su mundo?; ¿cómo va a utilizar sus tecnologías; ¿cómo va a construir sociedades sostenibles, familias y naciones y asociaciones? Estas son las cosas que estamos anticipando ahora para su mundo. No es que no cuidemos de ustedes en esta generación o la siguiente generación, porque lo hacemos. Su mundo se metió en esta situación debido a las personas que son líderes y seguidores que no estaban pensando en el cuidado y la disposición de las generaciones futuras. Esto no es algo para culpar, o mantenerlos como responsables, porque ha habido una tremenda ignorancia acerca de cómo administrar su planeta. La mayoría estaban preocupados por la gestión de su propia vida personal, y como ustedes pueden ver a partir de millones de personas a su alrededor, ellos no pueden hacer eso.

 

6.       El plan estratégico de Cristo Micael para nuestro mundo

 

Lo que se necesita es liderazgo de la dirección planetario con un plan estratégico que lleva a su mundo a los días de luz y vida. Este es el plan que Cristo Miguel y su equipo ejecutivo de gestión ha desarrollado para cada uno de los planetas que estaban en la cuarentena. Cada planeta tiene su propio plan, sus propios administradores planetarios, y el personal para llevar los planes de Cristo Micael a la existencia. No es una cuestión de tiempo, sino una cuestión de desarrollo. Si usted es consciente de evaluar y discernir los progresos que hemos estado haciendo en los últimos 25-30 años, entonces usted sabe que su mundo ha progresado muy rápidamente. El cambio social ha sido inmenso; ha sido exponencial en los últimos 60 años. En muchos sentidos, esto funciona para el bien de su planeta y la generación futura, pero sin duda funciona en contra de la felicidad y el equilibrio equitativo y bueno de su mundo hoy en día. Se le plantea a corto (y cuando digo, “ustedes”), me refiero a colectivamente sus naciones y sus poblaciones globales y sus líderes, que llevándolos a ustedes cortamente a lo mucho que hacer y tan poco que se ha hecho.

 

La gestión del planeta por los equipos espirituales de estos planetas que están en cuarentena es esencial para que sus mundos sean curados. Pronto el mundo estará envuelto en un cambio inmenso y que podría derivar en una gran desesperación y destrucción. Estamos aquí para ayudar a prevenir que; sabemos que habrá inmensas pérdidas en todos los sentidos a través del tablero para su mundo, sin embargo, habrá un plan para su curación y para la generación de comunidades sostenibles que incluirá las familias sostenibles y la formación de las familias y los padres -para ser padres competentes, líderes comunitarios y líderes nacionales, así finalmente.

 

7.       La implementación del plan estratégico

 

Ahora, si usted fuera un individuo pensante, que deseara pensar en sí mismo: “Bueno, Maquiventa, si esta enorme cantidad repentina de dinero no funcionaría, entonces, ¿qué es lo que tiene en la manga para ayudarnos en esta situación desesperada?” Si fueras una persona pensante, te darías cuenta de que los medios, no son sólo dinero, sino las conexiones, y todo se reduce a la riqueza, la fama y el poder. Que es lo suficientemente benévolo para traer un proyecto de este tipo que tendría un impacto global en unas pocas semanas y definitivamente dentro de unos meses y seguramente dentro de un año, en el que todos estos planes serían compartidos a nivel mundial y en todas las naciones que están conectadas a Internet. Esas naciones son democráticas o totalitarias; cada una tendría la ventaja de utilizar lo que podríamos enseñar a través de esta red. No estoy revelando lo que de ninguna manera la conexión o lo que esta posición o lo que esto significaría, excepto para decir que esto es parte del plan de Cristo Micael por la desesperada situación de su mundo que está en la actualidad.

 

Por su reloj, estamos a mitad de nuestra sesión de esta mañana; es una sesión abreviada tanto como Éste Uno tiene la obligación que no puede ser retrasada, sino que debe ser atendida.

 

Liz: ¿Cómo, su declaración introductoria se relacionan con el evento que tiene lugar este otoño?

 

8.       Reacciones personales a las revelaciones

 

MAQUIVENTA: Vamos a aplazar la respuesta a esta; vamos a dejar que hagan conjeturas ustedes. Déjame hablar sencillamente con usted, una de las razones por las que “mantener nuestras tarjetas agarrada a nuestro chaleco” es que hemos encontrado que revelando un poco a nuestros seguidores, los mantiene en prevención de lo que va a ocurrir. Sus mentes llegan a ser solidarias; se vuelven inflexibles en su pensamiento; pierden la capacidad de “pensar en la posibilidad”, pero sólo se invierten en la especulación sin llegar a ser más activamente involucrada en su vida de una manera pragmática en sus comunidades. Sí, que estén conectados, y eso es todo lo que puedo decir al respecto en este momento.

Liz: Gracias por esa respuesta, y sé que es verdad cuando tenemos palabra de calamidades en todo el mundo por venir. Sé que personalmente voy a un lugar de miedo y yo no quiero estar allí. Yo prefiero estar en un lugar de fe, y por eso tengo que trabajar el doble para aceptar estas predicciones.

 

9.       Un nuevo tipo de “iglesia” para Urantianos llamada “clínicas”

 

LIZ: Para girar a otro tema, me quedé bastante con la idea de incumplimiento de la Fundación de Urantia en su mandato de crear iglesias. La idea de una iglesia basada en El Libro de Urantia, es una especie de un problema para mí, yo no puedo visualizarlo como iglesia en general no ha sido una experiencia positiva para mí. Me pregunto si podría arrojar alguna luz sobre la forma de cómo se podría ver un nuevo tipo de iglesia.

 

MAQUIVENTA: Gracias, aprecio la oportunidad de hablar acerca de esto. “Iglesia” es un concepto más difícil de aceptar para la gente. Todo el mundo en sus comunidades se ha familiarizado con las iglesias, incluso los ateos que se han encontrado con el Libro de Urantia saben acerca de las iglesias; y saben sobre la cultura de las iglesias y lo difícil que ha sido. Hemos dejado de lado la palabra “iglesia” en los escritos con éste y llamarlas “clínicas” para la curación; son clínicas para la enseñanza de la dinámica y los procesos y las habilidades y capacidades de las familias sostenibles, de un estilo de vida sostenible, de pensar y creer sostenible, y de la estructura intrapersonal sostenible dentro de la personalidad del individuo.

 

Las iglesias han perdido su camino, y por lo pronto las primeras comunidades de Urantia han perdido su camino, así cuando se trata de iglesias. Han pensado inmediatamente en alguna ortodoxia de rituales, ceremonias, boato, costumbre, y así sucesivamente. Todo esto se elimina por lavado; esto no tiene ningún sentido; esto no tiene ninguna contribución al progreso espiritual de los individuos. Sí, produce un estado de piedad en algunos individuos, es más admirable, una posición de enorme culto. Sin embargo, hay una gran mayoría de personas que acuden a la iglesia, que se deje intimidar por esta pantalla. Es simplemente “demasiado precioso” para creer que Dios esté preso aquí, y que represente la única presencia de Dios en sus vidas. Es esencial que no posean esa idea o imagen de una iglesia o sacerdotes o ministros en sus reuniones en las Iglesias de Urantia que “nosotros” visualizamos para ustedes, que “nosotros” estamos preparados para ayudarles a desarrollar y establecer. Pensar más en las iglesias, con la enseñanza que se están formando, incluso en el primer entrenamiento que se produjo en las catacumbas de Roma, que no era una iglesia; era una escuela; que era un lugar de discusión espiritual, de las realidades espirituales, o el despertar a Dios como un Padre. En vez de un Dios, como lo veían los romanos su dios y dioses.

 

Ustedes y nosotros estamos en la misma página, queridos; esperamos que esto ayude a ustedes y otros para establecer una “clínica” para la curación de las almas, para la curación de la mente, para la curación de las emociones, la sanidad de su cultura, para la curación en cada una de las siete esferas de desarrollo humano son necesaria para el pleno desarrollo de la psique humana y la relación entre el individuo y su Ajustador del Pensamiento interior. Espero que esto traiga claridad a ustedes.

Liz: Usted nos ha dado mucho en que pensar, muchas gracias por sus respuestas.

[Este es Daniel, Liz: ¿Se solucionó su problema o lo hecho por la tangente? Liz. No, en absoluto. Tengo toda una nueva comprensión de lo que está hablando.]

Craig: Cuando pensamos en una “iglesia con los nuevos conceptos” en realidad son instituciones sociales de la cultura y el aprendizaje religioso.

MAQUIVENTA: ¡Usted tiene toda la razón! Es un cambio completo de la cultura de la religiosidad del cristianismo y de la ortodoxia y el catolicismo que es tan diferente y es mucho más amigable y la sanación. Sólo podemos crear esto con ustedes, co-creativamente. Tenga en cuenta que hay muchos, muchos millones, si no miles de asistentes y los ángeles de Nebadonia para ayudarles en el proceso.

 

Craig: Podemos tener miedo de lo que va a ocurrir en el futuro y aprensión, pero eso no es muy productivo.

10.   La división del movimiento Urantia

MAQUIVENTA: Como recordarán los antiguos debates sobre la división del movimiento Urantia en las tres organizaciones, se puede ver un camino a través de las personas progresistas en las tres comunidades para comenzar a diseñar una “clínica” para el sostenimiento de las familias y para el desarrollo de buenas familias trabajadoras que tengan una base espiritual que utiliza El Libro de Urantia como referencia, en lugar de como una autoridad. Nos preocupa que la división del movimiento Urantia se ha vuelto tan dividida e improductiva que las tres organizaciones ya no son capaces de ayudar a sus seguidores a crecer en las poderosas almas que necesita su mundo. Estás en lo cierto, Craig, al decir que en todos los grupos hay gente buena y que hay un camino a seguir pensando de manera positiva, en lugar de mirar hacia atrás en el pasado de esas divisiones. Todo lo que hacemos y podemos hacer por ustedes se hará ahora y en el futuro. El pasado es sólo una referencia de errores y equivocaciones y buenos éxitos o funcionamiento que puede ayudar a ustedes y a nosotros para construir una comunidad global que trabaja para el bien de todos.

Veo que hay una oportunidad en nuestro tiempo y está en el aire y si no hay más preguntas, entonces yo pido llevar esto a su fin. Roxanne, no han dicho nada. Si usted tiene una pregunta, ¿podría hacerla?

 

Roxie: Yo tenía una pregunta, que se cubrió a fondo en su declaración de introducción. Estaba ahora preguntando, si ¿Había alguna dirección en particular a donde nos gustaría ir en nuestras investigaciones para ayudarle en esta nueva etapa de complementación?

 

11.   Discutiendo el efecto del medioambiente

 

MAQUIVENTA: Sólo en un sentido, Roxie. Todos ustedes parecen estar tan gravemente serios acerca de lo que están haciendo. Podrían ser menos formal y más informal e incluso amigablemente casuales. Sé que eres amable con nosotros, pero su comportamiento es bastante formal, como si estuvieran hablando con el director general de una organización grande y que estaban “sombrero en mano” para solicitar un puesto de trabajo. Estamos, por el contrario, muy familiarizado con ustedes y aceptamos casi cualquier comportamiento excepto lo que es degradante, despectivo, o difamador, puesto que ustedes no son de ese tipo en absoluto. No tanto por los temas que necesitan ser discutidos, sino por el efecto de nuestras discusiones que me gustaría que ustedes abordaran.

 

12.   Un “pat-on-the-back” para nuestros hermanos y hermanas francesas

 

Puesto que voy a decir, “adiós” por hoy y decir que los franceses siempre están presentes en nuestra mente, es que no, ya que han entrado en una nueva orientación / política social y que parecen ser muy conflictivo, pero tan dispuesto a encontrar nuevas rutas y organizaciones que trabajan para ayudar al bien de todos. Son un ejemplo admirable de la cultura latina. Le deseamos un buen día.