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Among the many objections to Daniel Raphael's work are:
*1. He cites academic authority using a bogus Ph.D.
*2. His work parrots Neo Conservative US foreign policy. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2013-08-31-New_Era_Conversations_7 NEC 7][https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2013-09-13-New_Era_Conversations_8 NEC 8]
*3. He cites the Rothschild family as a model of social sustainability. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2013-10-18-New_Era_Conversations_9#Lesson NEC 9]
*4. He has spiritual beings citing the amorality of their protocols.[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2014-04-25-New_Era_Conversations_20#Dialogue NEC 20]
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==Comment(s) 6/22/2017==
==Comment(s) 6/22/2017==
'''On 6/22/2017 10:53 PM, Rob Davis wrote:'''
'''On 6/22/2017 10:53 PM, Rob Davis wrote:'''
'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Rob wrote'''
'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Rob wrote'''
As you think, so you are. Hence quality of thinking is the goal of earthly existence. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=81:6_The_Maintenance_of_Civilization 1]
As you think, so you are. Hence quality of thinking is the goal of earthly existence. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=81:6_The_Maintenance_of_Civilization 1]
Abundance is in the eye of the beholder; still, a new age is dawning where money will mean nothing. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2003-04-06-Resurrection_of_the_Master#Service.2C_Money 2]
Abundance is in the eye of the beholder; still, a new age is dawning where money will mean nothing. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2003-04-06-Resurrection_of_the_Master#Service.2C_Money 2]
Wholeness is indivisible, but you cannot learn of your wholeness until you see it everywhere. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=9.6_The_Acceptance_of_Your_Brother 3]
Wholeness is indivisible, but you cannot learn of your wholeness until you see it everywhere. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=9.6_The_Acceptance_of_Your_Brother 3]
‘Sustainability' is evidence of the temporal wishing for the eternal, eg. wishful thinking. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wishful_Thinking 4]
‘Sustainability' is evidence of the temporal wishing for the eternal, eg. wishful thinking. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wishful_Thinking 4]
Advances of civilization are born in the inner world as it is only the inner life that is creative. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=111:4_The_Inner_Life 5]
Advances of civilization are born in the inner world as it is only the inner life that is creative. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=111:4_The_Inner_Life 5]
Attention given to the thought of others demonstrates respect for the thinker if not their thinking.
Attention given to the thought of others demonstrates respect for the thinker if not their thinking.
Spirituality is at once the measure of nearness to God and usefulness to one’s fellows. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=100:2_Spiritual_Growth 6]
Spirituality is at once the measure of nearness to God and usefulness to one’s fellows. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=100:2_Spiritual_Growth 6]
'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 5:05PM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''
Sounds right in each case. Do these quotes really have any bearing on this conversation? You seem to want to transcend all Humanity; I want to live in IT for awhile. You seem to want to think like a Spirit when there:s work to do here.
'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Rob wrote'''
Yes! Here is the only ‘place’ to be ;-)
'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 5:14PM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''
I once heard Eudora Welty deliver a beautiful lecture on *place* in Fiction.
The time and space worlds are in some respects Fiction. Each planet is an Omnibus; each person comprises a Novel. Each person is a library and when they die, their library goes with them.
'''On Jul 19, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Rob wrote'''
Sounds like a wonderful lecture!
Isn’t is great how the infinite is in finity and how time is forever unfolding the eternal!
==Comment(s) 7/20/2017==
'''On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Marty Greenhut wrote'''
This is a profound question regarding our lives during the planetary correcting time and how we participate in it. The question of the veracity of transcripts, the spiritual focus and the material problems of our world must be dealt with by each one of us. Thanks for sharing this important dialogue Rob. Daniel's transcripts certainly present questions (for me) of source and relevance, nevertheless we can only discern their truth in our hearts with divine guidance. Jim Cleveland is a dedicated and committed TeaM advocate. He is the person who got me to join the tml e-list with our Teachers and receivers in 1999.
'''On Jul 20, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Rob wrote'''
Hello Marty -
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Profound questions are invitations to deeper discovery. What I find interesting to witness is how such questions are resisted rather than welcomed. It would appear that comments attributed to Andrew are germane here where he says, "many of the beliefs that you hold, you hold as self-protective devices to give pseudo-meaning to your experience of material reality. You fear that to give up your beliefs would leave you with nothing. But to surrender them to the truth will give you more peace and light than you can imagine”. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-10-02-Tolerance_and_More#Truth 1]
Gratefully,
Rob
==Comment(s) 7/21/2017==
'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''
We have tens of thousands of spiritual personal growth lessons, received over some 25 years in the Teaching Mission.
The Colorado work is with the Magisterial Mission, which is concerned with re-building sustainable institutions with spiritual values. This requires a great deal of concentration on the material world and its realities.
You can:t work on society:s real problems with your head in the clouds and your heart in the spiritual world. We aren:t spirits; we:re humans with work to do. The folks in Colorado have made admirable efforts and provided a foundation for future work. The real point is learning to work and co-create consciously with celestials.
Lessons of the Teaching Mission provide a foundation for all of the work and will soon be featured in a global TM Portal. A huge IT strike in India has halted our work for now.
jim
'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Rob wrote'''
Dear Jim,
That you are enamored of Daniel’s discourse is evident. If you studied it, you would find:
:1) it parrots NeoCon foreign policy
:2) promotes US exceptionalism
:3) extols amorality
I don’t know of any proponent of ‘sustainability’ that finds these attributes sustainable. However, trial and error is the method of human evolution, and while evolution is painfully slow, it is, after all, terribly effective.
More recently, Daniel’s discomfort with the documentation of this thinking has found him stating on behalf of Machiventa, that the effort to build a “global TM Portal” would take only a week or two. So carry on! With each passing day, you prove him wrong.
Gratefully,
Rob
'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Jim Cleveland wrote'''
You are correct. I have read no such transcripts.
My keenest observation over the years is that readers often do not know what the writer is saying.
Sometimes they link it to old mind baggage and think they do.
Send samples if you would like.
I'm busy on a manuscript urging the Urantia World Fellowship to break ties with the Foundation.
jim
ps In all the world, the US does have the greatest potential.
'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Rob wrote'''
The talkpages of the documents concerned are on record for any to read and comment if they desire. Otherwise, potential is a function of the limitless value of each person without regard to their nationality.
'''On Jul 20, 2017, at 5:55 PM, (rec'd 9:15 AM 7-21) Marty wrote'''
Well Rob, our beliefs are the intellectual infrastructure of our minds which must remain open to experiential development, yet represent the steering wheel of our search for truth. Surrendering belief to truth is the way to live with Father in His realm which is and will be an eternal learning process. Yet our beliefs are mere reflections through a very dark glass. We live in darkness and are newborn into this darkness. I Think that is the reason for holding belief so strongly as a prop in our lives since we know not where we are or what we are and must learn this one step at a time like a newborn child. It is an eternal process called soul growth and does not happen in the mind but through the mind. This perception of being a newborn baby born into eternal life is helpful to me.
Communication is difficult ...even impossible at times... since belief systems, like stage sets, need to be changed as the scenes and acts of the dynamic drama of our lives require new and expanded light.
I have been sending people to daynal.org referencing transcripts.
Thanks for your good work. Where are you living now?
Marty
'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Rob wrote'''
Hello Marty -
I agree! Beliefs like frames of reference, while necessary are invariably wrong.
Last night I took the time to read the entirety of [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-10-02-Tolerance_and_More#Truth this lesson] attributed to Andrew. It struck me as quite eloquent. A portion I enclose that I sense is germane to our current discussion.
"Much confusion fills your minds. The teachings of your planet, of your culture, of your time, are evolved wisdom. Truth lies beneath them, and may or may not correlate with your beliefs. A belief is a formulation of your human mind. It may or may not be based in fact. It may or may not be true. In fact, your beliefs are frequently more of a hindrance to your seeing and finding truth than a help. It is essential for you, then, to become as aware as possible of the beliefs that you hold in your mind, to examine them, one by one, as you become aware of them, and hold them up to the mirror of truth. We would have you learn to break through the vale of self-deception to see reality in a clear light. It is our mission to bring you light". [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1992-10-02-Tolerance_and_More#Truth 1]
He seems to mirror your own thinking. In any event, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, lending them to issues as they arise.
At the moment, I shuttle between Costa Rica and the United States. I plan to be in the states next week and in NC around the 21st. It would be great to see you again.
Gratefully,
Rob
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