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Please see the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-04-25-New_Era_Conversations_20 discussion page] on a previous contribution of this [[author]] to better understand why the content is in this discussion page rather than in the article page.
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Among the many objections to Daniel Raphael's work are:
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==Comment==
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*1. He cites academic authority using a bogus Ph.D.
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*2. His work parrots Neo Conservative US foreign policy. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2013-08-31-New_Era_Conversations_7 NEC 7][https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2013-09-13-New_Era_Conversations_8 NEC 8]
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*3. He cites the Rothschild family as a model of social sustainability. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2013-10-18-New_Era_Conversations_9#Lesson NEC 9]
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*4. He has spiritual beings citing the amorality of their protocols.[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2014-04-25-New_Era_Conversations_20#Dialogue NEC 20]
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Please see the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-04-25-New_Era_Conversations_20 discussion page] on a previous contribution of this [[author]] to better understand why the content is in this discussion page rather than in the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2017-07-17-New_Era_Transition_19 article page].
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==General Comment(s)==
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In this document, Daniel contradicts the [[Urantia Book]] paper on [[20:1|Descending Sons of God]]. Its tone appears somewhat comparable to [[Ron Besser]] transmitting [[Gerdean]] and [[Thea Hardy]] as [https://forum.serara.org/index.php?topic=7412.msg56846#msg56846 now seeing the light of Ron's methods] e.g. an act of desperation. This is not the first time Daniel has [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2017-03-13-New_Era_Transition_14 attempted holding persons hostage to the adoption of his programs]. Nevertheless, given [[Daniel Raphael]]'s history of
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*1) [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2013-09-13-New_Era_Conversations_8 parroting NeoCon foreign policy],
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*2) [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2013-08-31-New_Era_Conversations_7#USA_Moral_Upholder.3F promoting American exceptionalism], and
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*3) [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2014-04-25-New_Era_Conversations_20 extolling amorality]
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to mention but a few of the problems with his thinking, I will place this and all further transmissions of his in the discussion page until such time as I am convinced by persons willing to express their reasons on record for placing it elsewhere..--rdavis 22:34, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
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==Specific Comment(s)==
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1: "It is important that a leader have followers. If I were to arrive now there would be almost no followers on the planet to fulfill the mission and work that we have to do."
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Before any 'transmissions' concerning the arrival of the Magisterial Son, many persons were already walking with him, having been alerted by way of [[reflectivity]] broadcasts and personal visitations.
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Regardless, since tr'ing has been used, many others have welcomed him well beyond the small circle of Daniel's followers.
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2: "the problem is that almost no one outside of our small group knows about my function and my work on this planet."
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This only underscores the isolation of Daniel and "his group"
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3: you are ill prepared for the work of the presence of myself or Machiventa or of Christ Michael.
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Spiritually alert persons know that "from the perspective of spirit, we are perfectly positioned exactly where we need to be to take our next step. - [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1998-11-08-Perserverance#Judgment Ham].
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4: You give yourself too much credit for being prepared for my presence.
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The consciousness of those who know they are exactly where they need to be to take their next step are not concerned with credit 'worthiness'.
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5: We have spoken many times about the problem of the presence of a Divine Being on your world. It has not happened before except for the incarnation of Christ Michael. We do give great credit to Machiventa Melchizedek when he appeared so many thousands of years ago, but he is not divine.
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See [[20:1 The Descending Sons of God|The Descending Sons of God]] and [[The Melchizedek Sons]] for clarification of 'divine' status. Otherwise, emphasis on 'credit' points to a bankruptcy of thought.
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6: You are curious about whether the Teaching Mission will continue or fail. As you see, it is failing
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Teaching/learning truth is not something capable of failing. What is 'failing' is Daniel's expectation for both the Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission. --rdavis 01:37, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
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'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Richard Voss wrote'''
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Thank you. Sorry about the delay in weighting in on this discussion. I feel you have chosen the best option given the circumstances.  Although some of what Daniel has voiced recently raises some red flags, I still feel great benefit from his sustainability lessons. I still find value in Daniels work. I'm not ready to put His transcripts in the same category as Ron's. What Ron shares seems to be self serving but I still discern the celestials to be giving voice to Daniel's work. May the Spirit be with you. Love you. Rick
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'''On Jul 21, 2017, at 9:19 PM, Rob Davis wrote'''
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Thank you for sharing Rick! I am convinced we are all contributing to the work of doing the will of God, including any who may “raise some red flags”. However, I feel compelled to express concerns when they are raised and include them in the pertinent discussion pages. This has led Daniel to prompt Jim Cleveland and a couple others to build another archive where discussion of these lessons is prohibited.  Needless to say, this in itself, suggests a commonplace error with which we are all too familiar.
    
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The primary issue for years to come
 
The primary issue for years to come
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It is an incredibly difficult problem for humans to think about, however, it is the most primary issue that will come into existence in years to come.  It will become recognized that there is a moral responsibility at the individual level, family level, community level, social institution level, national level, and global level to address this problem.  You are all in this together.  Richard Buckminster Fuller told you that you live on a planet as much as a spaceship—you are self-contained, you can go nowhere, you will suffer what occurs within this environment and overpopulation will be the cause of the decimation.
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It is an incredibly difficult problem for humans to think about, however, it is the most primary issue that will come into existence in years to come.  It will become recognized that there is a moral responsibility at the individual level, family level, community level, social institution level, national level, and global level to address this problem.  You are all in this together.  Richard Buckminster Fuller told you that you live on a planet as much as a spaceship—you are self-contained, you can go nowhere, you will suffer what occurs within this environment and overpopulation will be the cause of the decimation.
    
Roxie:  Thank you very much!  That helps a great deal.  Do you think that the time for you to materialize and work with us might be much more possible after the decimation and catastrophes have completed?
 
Roxie:  Thank you very much!  That helps a great deal.  Do you think that the time for you to materialize and work with us might be much more possible after the decimation and catastrophes have completed?
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