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TeaM reference?

On May 1, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Robert Davis wrote Byron cc'ing Nordan Editorial Group:

Hello Byron-

In response to the request by you and others for a direct url pointing to the Teaching Mission Dialogues, the webmaster and I installed this site today. What we like best about this design is that it gives more space to the content while integrating more smoothly at various widths. After some testing and further examination, we may consider installing this design with some customization for the Institute and Press pages as well.



On May 2, 2013, at 1:03 AM, Byron replied cc'ing Nordan Editorial Group:

Thanks Rob, good to see this step. But, with respect, I must say that I find it to be a confusing interface for folks who are new--which I thought was the intention. This Ham quote is not very welcoming (in fact, it's rather cold), and it lacks context and any sort of introduction for the newcomer. I'm thinking this interface is not intended for the newcomer. In any case, glad to see a simpler URL to refer people to who already have an introduction. Byron

On May 2, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Rob replied cc'ing Nordan Editorial Group:

Hello Byron-

Evolution is slow but terribly effective, and this is an evolving prototype for further development. No doubt, wiki interfaces are challenging to many. As for the content pages, these are preliminary anticipating the need to incorporate personal preferences of those who would volunteer their proposals. Toward that end, would you write something to consider as an alternative to the current introduction by Ham? All such proposals will be entered into the discussion page for review by others' who may have suggestions as well as comments to identify best attributes of each.


On May 2, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Byron replied cc'ing Nordan Editorial Group:

Yes, I will offer something in the discussion page pronto. I may have been a bit harsh in my critique, but I have had so much difficulty presenting this material to newcomers (as I am sure we all do). This problem comes up all the time when we publish a new book and pitch it to reviewers, media, and radio hosts. I dislike sending these sorts of folks to TMarchives, so a viable alternative would be most helpful.

Shortly we will start pitching Healing a Broken World to media, which I hope most of you have seen. If not, I am attaching the PDF for your perusal.

The Amazon link is now up for HBW. It would be excellent if any of you could drop in a review here:


On May 4, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rob wrote Nordan Editorial Group:

My experience with the Urantia movement, Teaching Mission, and Magisterial Mission led me to distance their literature from sectarian rivalries by placing them in a larger historical context. However, I do not wish to 'hide' these. It will take some input from others to bring what is the 'heart' of the larger collection to the forefront. In the interim, let me offer some shortcuts.

1. In addition to the new url, you may use,,, to bring you to the url devoted to the Teaching Mission called The Dialogues.

2. From any Nordan Symposia page, you may use the following search shortcuts to navigate

a. team - takes you to this page.
b. ub - takes you to this page.
c. paper # - takes you to the Urantia paper corresponding to the # entered.
d. paper/section - for example, entering paper/section number such as 23:4 takes you here

It goes without saying that entering a teacher, tr, or team name (Woods Cross TeaM) will take you to its page pointing to lessons associated with the teacher, tr, or team. Also, on the Institute page, please note that mouseing over (moving your cursor over) the middle of the white space displays some of the topics addressed by the UB and Teaching Mission material. You may click through to the components addressing the particular topic.

There are many more shortcuts, but these should suffice to address some basic needs. If any would like to propose a shortcut, I will be happy to accommodate.

p.s. If you do experiment with the mouseovers on the Institute page, note the topics Happiness, Healing, and Humanity are graphically centered amidst the alphabetic arrangement of topics representing a selection of the 906 at present.

On May 5, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Marty Greenhut wrote Nordan Editorial Group:

Rob, This is an outstanding resource, astonishing! Congratulations.

Regarding the "larger historical context" of the Urantia movements, I wonder if you might be willing to include the rationale for the destruction of the original printing plates. Whose idea was that?

Who were the U.S. intelligence officers in the Urantia Foundation?

Just wondering. Marty

On May 5, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Rob replied to Marty cc'ing Nordan Editorial Group:

Thank you Marty! Though ten years in the making, it is still is its larval stage of development.

Certainly, if a description of this act could be found or written, it could and should be incorporated. As to whose idea it was, I surmise the thought was attributed to the Revelatory Commission to forestall superstitious regard much like Jesus destroying his writings. I am sure however, there is a larger story.

As to who were 'intelligence officers' in the Urantia Foundation at that time, I don't know though more is known of later phases.



On May 5, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Robert Davis wrote Nordan Editorial Group:

Dear Friends,

First of all, please join me in welcoming Daniel Raphael to the Nordan Editorial Advisory Group!

I have rewritten the "Main Page" of the Nordan Symposia to feature access to The Teaching Mission Dialogues, I suspect many of the difficulties persons have found locating the Dialogues will be mitigated. (see wiki stats) The result is likely to be many more persons, most of whom are new and curious, finding the wealth of the Dialogues.

To some extent, I feel like I have been hiding the prominence of the Dialogues in the collection waiting for the storm of sectarianism to blow over. With the passing of Ron Besser, not physically but in the sense of credibility, time is ripe. This corresponds with my sense of a need to re-define the Teaching Mission so as to accommodate any episode of disclosure/revelation, something the Teacher Corps exhibits with ease in contrast to most of the human participants.


wiki stats: these may refer to unique visitors. I will investigate.

View statistics

Views total 8,301,740 Views per edit 88.36 Most viewed pages Main Page 333,480 Category:The Teaching Mission: Dialogues 89,520

p.s. for Daniel's sake, I am enclosing information shared recently regarding response to the Facebook ad experiment.

I spent $20 promoting this 'sutra' on Facebook that has resulted in a large increase of traffic coming to the site. The figures just below are for this past month of April. Given this response, I will do likewise each month.

cpanel stats:

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Byron wrote: Sun, May 5, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Yes, it truly is an AMAZING resource. . .

Just want to alert everyone that, as promised, I posted something in the discussion area at's an alternative and IMO a more user friendly way to introduce the subject matter. The main intention is to provide background and context needed by visitors who are entirely new. If you like it Rob, you may edit or use this content as you see fit, with or without attribution.

In regard to intelligence agency or Luciferian penetration of the UF, that is a story that someday must be written by some courageous journalist. I know of more than a few untapped sources...


Byron wrote: Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Ah, that explains the mystery of why the Dialogues have been so hard to access. But alas, my friend, I still find the Main Page to be difficult to navigate or understand, and so far I see no direct reference therein to the TM Dialogues as such. For example, none of these passages in this philosophic verbiage refers explicitly to the Dialogues or to the phenomenon, and none of the links provided go to the main page of the Dialogues. I sense and I understand your very strong effort to ensure that the phenomenon is not "reified" or branded with a sectarian name (even the name given it by the celestials themselves), but by virtue of your going so far in that direction, the result IMO is that the Dialogue material is still difficult to understand or access for all but the initiated. Of course, I am glad for the progress shown and ever so grateful for all that you do. (And very impressed with the hit rate on the site!)


p.s. Rob, the intent is just to inspire you to write this introduction in your own way, using any part or phrase from this lengthy piece. Or perhaps you can link to it for "background." Or whatever you like.

Certainly one can quote from the teachers, but again, new people won't have any idea who these teachers are, what they represent, where they are from, etc.

We are all so used to being totally ignored by our own community and the world at large, and so we are not well practiced at providing a suitable introduction. But interest is rising, as evidenced by the thousands of hits at the Daynal site, or from my cover story in Om Times Magazine, and now a feature article on the midwayers I wrote for 11:11 Magazine, coming out shortly for their large audience. I am now in dialogue with the famed evolutionary biologist Elisabeth Sahtouris, who noticed a statement of mine on the teachers in an obscure video.

I believe millions of people are now ready and hungry for our message--so let's make it easy for them to get in the door, using the same method that Jesus used when he introduced the gospel to the the common people.


Rob wrote: Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Hello Byron-

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts! I have posted them on the discussion page for future reference.

Teaching Mission enthusiasts like Urantia Book readers or any 'revelatory work' have difficulty thinking of their material as a literary work occurring within a larger evolutionary framework. Perhaps even more difficult to grasp is the dialogue between humanity and divinity that has occurred since the beginning of humankind in one form or another and continues forever. As they are featured by Daynal Institute, we must bear in mind the aspiration of representing the perspective of the Trinity whose vision encompasses all things. As such, the Dialogues are valued more for what they represent than what they are in a literal sense. For this reason, the Dialogues are named in a generic sense on the Nordan Symposia page and could include any written communication that enhances communion with our Source. Indeed, while there are reports of difficulty accessing the Dialogues, stats show a number of successes. I would not be satisfied however, though I wish to operate with an aim to feature the Dialogues in a way that acknowledges their intrinsic value as a function of relationship to other literary works. However, the recent addition of a dedicated url for the Teaching Mission should mitigate any sense of indifference, and where specific terminology unique to TeaM culture is preferred, I would rather utilize such in that domain space.



Marty wrote: Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Byron, if you have some leads into the dark's penetration of the Contact Commission, the Forum, the Foundation or the Brotherhood (I have just begun to look into this) please give me a clue. I have seen a very distorted picture of this on the web in a veiled put down of the FER. I would like to get all the facts that can be found.

Bryon wrote: Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:46 PM

I'll get back to you about that Marty--that will take some time and prayer and probing.

I wanted to add one more thing for Rob in re his last missive below. Perhaps there is a middle way between the "exceptionalism" of tmarchives or others (which tends toward sectarianism), and your ecumenical notion that the TM dialogues are simply continuous with other forms of human-divine communication. Yes, I tend toward being an exceptionalist (which is evident in my short essay sent earlier), but please know that you've drawn me toward your position over the years, Rob. I like your phrase "acknowledges their intrinsic value as a function of relationship to other literary works" and look forward to how you proceed from here. As all of you know, I do take a public stand that the TM/MM are unprecedented in the world's revelatory literature and salvation history, which goes along with the notion that the FER is itself an epochal event, now made all the more important because it is enhanced by the Adjudication and re-encircuitment since then that permits open dialogue. This would in turn would mean that the TM/MM are of world-historic importance far beyond other revelatory works such as, for the example, ACIM or the Seth or Kyron teachings.

But yes, from the viewpoint of the Trinity on Paradise, it's all just us infants reaching out to our divine parents for nurturance!


Dave wrote: Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Welcome Daniel! Glad to have you on board. I've begun looking over the PDF Byron sent out on the new book--looks good from what I've seen so far.

Rob, yes, the stats are amazing!

Catching up on emails... More to come later.


Daniel wrote: Sun, May 6, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Hi Dave and All –

This feels right for me, now. Much progress has been made in the last 4-5 years. That which is not sustainable withers and eventually dies.

My “take” on the development of the Correcting Time on Urantia is that the time of seedbed tilling, seeding, and weeding has been completed in this first phase. This now is a time of closure, of weaving in the loose ends. (Much like a wicker basket that has many lengths of the woof still sticking out and are now being woven into the basket.) Now we can move forward, this phase seems almost complete.

Thank you again Rob for the invitation.

Many blessings to each of you, Daniel

Byron wrote: June 13, 2013 at 12:12 PT/AM

Thanks for the tremendous work, Rob. A few thoughts for the moment ... The Dialogues page is much better now. However, most folks will not be able to figure out that one must go to the ‘Main Page’ to access transcripts, teachers, etc. Is it possible to give them more navigation instructions on this home page (which I for a long time even I thought was the ‘Main Page’ itself)? In addition, when I look at the copy on the Dialogues page, it still seems to be geared to the “initiated” and not all that friendly to the new person ... Finally, it is so great to have this unbelievably comprehensive archive, but what would it take to make each transcript have a unique URL? Might I make a donation toward that effort? Love, Byron

PS Leaving Monday for Donna’s event, then off to Sarasota as a guest of Marty Risacher for a few days. Then to Cincinnati for a writing retreat for two weeks while I await siblings who will come in for July 4 holiday. Here’s our newest Shift book, the one that really wore me out!

Rob wrote: June 13, 2013 at 10:34 CT/AM

Hello Byron! Good to hear from you and thank you for sharing your thoughts re: this evolutionary adventure!!

1. folks will not be able to figure out that one must go to the ‘Main Page’ to access transcripts

reply: under the blue line below The Dialogues you will find links to points of access to transcripts. see below.

Dialogues menu.jpg

2. the (copy of) Dialogues page, still seems to be geared to the “initiated” and not all that friendly to the new person

reply: this was the next step from the one that preceded it. with yours and others thoughts, more steps will follow.

3. what would it take to make each transcript have a unique URL?

reply: at left of any Symposia page in the 'toolbox' there is an option for a 'permanent link'. Command click-copy- paste
p.s. if you want a 'clean copy' without hyperlinks, in same toolbox click on 'printable version'.

Please continue to share your thoughts and questions.



Byron wrote: June 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Thanks Rob. Yes, we are evolving and revolving!

I did notice the links to points of access at the top of the page, but it too is not very helpful, being a series of items that seem rather confusing (TeaMs? Trs?). Sorry to sound harsh, but these items are basically meaningless at first glance, especially when given no context at all in your opening statement on this page. One is given no idea that an archive is being provided, none at all, or any idea what the content of the archive may happen to be even if they knew it was there. Instead, the verbiage here is a discussion of often rather difficult philosophic ideas largely unrelated to the archive itself. (And this material very much needs a third-party copyeditor.) You provide about 30 links in these introductory paragraphs, and none of them take the reader to anything in the archive or to any direct introduction to the archive.

So I still see a significant navigation problem.

Another obvious question is: Why not make this available at this page?

Search dialogues.jpg

Or, at a minimum, you could provide a paragraph at the top of this page that points to the existence of the vast archive that is now quite hidden to the reader. It could explicitly say that here is an archive searchable in seven ways containing material related to the UB, the Teaching Mission, etc, etc.

Instead of pointing such things out and giving a practical guide to navigation, you provide very general context that does not serve navigation of the archive—often rather hard to follow:

In using the permanent link function, it would be helpful if we are told somehow actually to how to create it, as this is not intuitive (at least for people over 50!) ...

Blessings, Byron

Rob wrote: Byron wrote: June 15, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Thank you for sharing your thoughts Byron!

TeaM and Tr are terms unique to the "Teaching Mission/Magisterial Mission" that are derived from common usage. The url is provided as a service to these communities who know what the terms signify. The copy looks beyond the fog of remediation when the mortal passion of a normal fourth epoch as described by the Urantia text (1) is more apparent. At such time, "difficult philosophic ideas" will be the shared occupation of conscious citizens. In such an open source environment, "copy editing" is and will be better understood as a continual labor conducted in a fluid environment rather than the engravings indigenous to print cultures built upon copyright conventions that are scaffolding to be discarded.

The links in the introductory paragraphs are related to "the archive" only inasmuch as the terms heart, cosmic, communion, source (1st Source), Trinity Teacher Sons, architects, spiritual, education, Master Universe, intelligence, focus, experience, art of living, wisdom, illumination, mind, fact, meaning, value, universe, ascension, and home are terms germane to inquiring minds interested in the core curriculum of the universe e.g. silent, worshipful contemplation. Such a classroom defines the focus of Daynal Institute, one that has not been taken seriously by cultures commonly associated with 'the' revelation.

Feedback from users suggests navigation and organization is one of the things most appreciated about the site, but then, generally these are not persons who are 'true believers' in a particular revelation. Quite the contrary, they are persons well aware of the multitude of revelatory gifts operating on the planet replete with their complement of competing sects creating more confusion than clarity. As such, Daynal Institute will be fostering study of all such literature in an evolutionary framework that fosters critical and comparative study independent of the second hand religions about such literature.

As for using hyperlinks designated by the term "permanent link", this is term of basic literacy in contemporary cyberculture. That said, I have no doubt that if techphobic persons could be given an overview of the site architecture and its tools, they would better understand how to use them. I will be endeavoring to do just that in the course of anticipated travels.