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'''Ron Besser posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:03 PM:'''
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WARNING: Readers should be apprised of conflicting assessments of the '''''ABC Summaries''''', occurring specifically in the documents '''''Conversations with Monjoronson''''' numbers [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2012-11-30-Conversations_with_Monjoronson_65 65], [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2012-12-04-Conversations_with_Monjoronson_66 66], and [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2013-01-13-Conversations_with_Monjoronson_67 67].--rdavis 19:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 
 
- - - - - - - - TRANSMISSION -  May 7, 2013 from York, Pennsylvania
 
 
 
This is Rayson.  I have a book cover done.  Do you want to see it?  (Yes)
 
 
 
Michael: You are rightfully unhappy about being excluded from a “reading” from Emma.  She may not do it from the mansion worlds but she has permission to do it from Thea Harding who is here to greet you. . . .
 
 
 
Thea Harding: I greet you Ron!  How are you?
 
 
 
Ron: I am just fine Thea, I have missed you to pieces!  (A lot)
 
 
 
Thea: Do we still have LinEl speaking?
 
 
 
Ron: I have not seen LinEl in modern print for years although I recollect he did stop in at some meeting, perhaps a conference, within the past few years.  But there is no steady diet of LinEl anywhere.  He is also missed a lot!
 
 
 
LinEl: I am LinEl.  I greet you in the flesh, Ron!
 
 
 
Ron: Hello LinEl!  I greet you as well and you are sight for sore eyes!  Are you going to be active again on Urantia?
 
 
 
Ron: (off to the side) LinEl says he standing beside Thea as I type this.
 
 
 
Thea: He is, Ron!
 
 
 
LinEl: I wonder if you would be so kind to remind Jeff Cutler that the disk he created is full of disarming errors in it and will not work on your machine?  (I will notify at once).
 
 
 
Thea: LinEl has consented to work with us on mansion world two.  We will have classes up here from two to four your time western) every day for the next four years.
 
 
 
LinEl: It is a huge amount of material and yes we are aware you will post this to old TML.
 
 
 
Thea: I must say goodbye before my timer runs out.  They only allow us fifteen minutes a day to transmit using these circuits from my room in the dorm we live and sleep in.  My angel is also called Thea after me.  She is a Completion Seraphim and she works liaison with Manotia and she knows Julia likewise who attends you with Manotia.
 
 
 
Ron, my angel is a Completion Seraphim because she attends a school here that is for Completion Seraphim to learn new duties.  Her work up until last year was on mansion world four and now she comes down to two and we have a great time changing our mission statements in order to update what we are to do daily.  That may sound a little confusing, but mission statements are updated every day at 4 pm your time on the west coast.  In case you do not know it, Gerdean has visited up here several times lately.  As she prepares for her eventual transition; we are allowed to greet her as she is and she in turn returns home unknowing of the visit.  This will surely bring her to her senses about cooperation if anything will.  I must go, I have used up all my time.  LinEl would like to say a few words.
 
 
 
LinEl: I have completed my study of your background and discover you are not an intelligence officer in the army.  You were in the Air Force for four years and rose to the level of Sergeant.  That is all I wanted to say.
 
 
 
Ron: I know that . . . . Sheesh!
 
 
 
Manotia: I am also a completion Seraphim.  Ron has alluded to the number of Completion Seraphim on our worlds of time and space.  She, Thea’s Completion Seraphim, is about four hours old [Ron: Her status was changed from a Superior Seraphim to a Completion Seraphim four hours ago], and she calls herself Thea after her ward, Thea Harding, now called (censored).  In my work with Thea we have this to say:
 
 
 
Thea is bright and resembles her old self as many remember before passing several years ago.  She is bright, and studious, and lovely to teach.  She has one bad habit though, and that is, she reads everything Ron writes.  Those Flurries and Summaries are distributed all over the mansion world as signs of work being done on Urantia.  Urantia is our favorite planet because it contains so many wonderful students of the Urantia Book, and it is a pity there are so few of them these last years of remediation on Urantia.
 
 
 
In our work with Ron, he has discovered he can do anything as long as he has his Completion Seraphim in his angelsock as he calls it.  He slings it over his left shoulder and takes me along wherever he goes whether to the barber or to Wal Mart.  In his capacity of worker in the field, we have transferred him to Serena, as he will work with Monjoronson with specifics to be mentioned when Monjoronson makes his announcement concerning the human staff and other workers he is recruiting for his work on Urantia.
 
 
 
I close now with a word from Michael of Nebadon.
 
 
 
Our work on Urantia comes at a time when the wind and rain will intensify over your east coast cities.  Do not be surprised when a huge hurricane comes up the coast of eastern United States and devastate the east coast line again.  Sandy was a test and the next few storms will be ferocious.  I have warned Ron to prepare his home with adequate protection from wind and rain and he has contractors already at work on the project.
 
 
 
In closing, Thea Hardy has been a model student, and I want to congratulate Ron on being able to take on the circuit that allows her to speak clearly and distinctly without missing a beat in the transmission.  His work takes hours to do with others, and I dare say he even had a chat with Dr. Sadler, Emma Hardinge, Christy, Lena Sadler and Harold Sherman, Sir Hubert Wilkinson, his wife Lady Mary, and a few other notables that he is still laughing about (Groucho Marx and Bob Hope in constellation with the 34th President of the United States, Dwight David Eisenhower talking about the USO show Bob did in the war).  I mention this to you to remind you all you are missing a feast of enjoyment if you do not tune your antenna to the mansion worlds these days.  I tell you there a thousands up there who dearly love to chat with you on Urantia through these transmissions.  I have opened the circuits and the food is on the table for your pleasure.  I am Michael and I keep you in my Peace.
 
 
 
'''Rob wrote:Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:24 PM'''
 
 
 
Thank you Ron! It appears Thea contradicts your own story, but then that is the 'art' of deception weaving multiple stories to magnify disinformation to more easily manage the 'story'. As for Michael serving as a weathreman, who cares? The Michael I know asks each of us, "[http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-100-religion-in-human-experience?term=crash#search-jump-result-0 what does it matter]...?"
 
 
 
'''Ron posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:19 PM'''
 
 
 
Dear Ron,
 
 
 
Please tell the teaching mission list that all they have to do to transcribe all the un-transcribed LinEl material is to go to my web site and place the tape you want to play on the spooler, and then play it regular speed. I am able to transcribe them up here and want to sentd them down to Ron for editing and placing on Tmarchives. Would somebody see to it that Joe gets this message for me please?
 
 
 
Make sure I can hear them as my circuits are very good and they allow me to pick up room noise when I can open the circuit and listen carefully.  Play at least a Volume 5 on the console.  I am unable to tell Joe or anyone else to turn the volume up.  Ron suggests I play at least at six as trial and if not working to let him know and he will transcribe my request back to Joe or the list.
 
 
 
I also want to thank Ron for his work on high!  I see two tons of it everyday as he posts regularily to TML up here and to the various sub-agnecies of the teaching mission which you down there can not see yet.  I am told that I might, if Ron is willing, take a day or two and record my work for you up here.  (Ron says he would be honored to receive the transmission and post to TML)  So some day soon I can get started with that work for you Ron.  Meantime please play my LinEl tapes and at least tell me the date and time when the transmission took place.  Place the date and time and record it on the front piece of the tape so when it goes on I hear that too.  Joe, take me seriously as I do not care to have to tell Ron again that I want those tapes played and pronto!
 
 
 
Tell Melonie I miss her the most, and that I need to hear from her if Ron is willing to transcribe the letter to me. (Melonie this is Ron, send me your email letter and I will set it for Thea to hear. )
 
 
 
This is Thea, Good night!
 
 
 
A TRANSMISSION from Michael of Nebadon
 
 
 
Dear folks on TML, you have seen the power of this transmitter once he has his feet on the ground, and we want others to be able to do the same.  You do not have to go to Ron to learn how, but it would help!  I am mIchael of Nebadon and I transmitted this message in 12 nanoseconds to Ron's agile brain.
 
 
 
'''Rob posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:32 PM'''
 
 
 
I will record this thread for posterity on the Ron Besser discussion page.
 
 
 
'''Ron posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM'''
 
 
 
What ARE you talking about Rob Davis?  Contradicting who what?
 
 
 
'''Gerdean posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:32 PM'''
 
 
 
There is something inherently, desperately wrong with this picture.
 
 
When did it become common practice, accepted without question, that talking to our friends who died since the TeaM came into existence, as if they were transmitting from Mansonia?  When did it become OKAY to manipulate TeaM "dogma" to one that better suits one's own purpose, makes one feel good, rings one's truth bells, or sells more books?  There is a REASON the revelators set forth the prohibition against mortals talking "across the veil" to the dearly departed.  Not the least of which is how cleverly emotions can be manipulated to get people to do things they might not otherwise want to do except through spiritual coersion like this crap said to be coming from Thea.  It is unbelieveable BS.
 
 
 
'''Rob posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM'''
 
 
 
That is a question you should ask yourself.
 
 
 
'''Dylan Roberts posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM'''
 
 
 
I know I've never talked to you Ron but please see a psychiatrist. Brother Dylan.
 
 
 
'''Ron posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM'''
 
 
 
Well Davis, let us set the record a little straighter.  You have your head as usual in the ground.  Not only do you not understand plain English, you subvert the cause of normal comparison of texts that are right with the one you and Gerdean imagine willy-nilly.  My true bio is around. I have corrected both of you a couple of times and you preferred to list your own version of my life as though it proves something I should not be.  Well that is okay, but when you get to pointing fingers realize that you better be right or face the usual embarrassment of barking up a tree that has no use to you or me or to anyone.  You may not quote me further, but I am sure you have your own problem coming surrounding the plot to discredit others whom you have taken a dislike to and can not get them straight in your mind either.  Oh yes, the penny will come back to bite.
 
 
 
My bio is in the History text to be published, at least its essentials and no where does it list the fiction of intelligence officer and I gave up making that clear to Gerdean on a least two occasions in the past ten years.
 
 
 
As far as Gerdean and her desire to understand the mansion worlds, please look my dear at your own demise and the fact that Thea has already seen you there and has worked with you little girl.  You take lessons there.  The transition ministers know you and talk to you.  Thea is real and just as lovely as she was when she was here with us on earth.  Now there is a simple solution to your quandry.  Move yourself to God girl and shut up with the snipping for a defense of outdated policies.  You do not bother to keep the old ones right or clear or do you have the sense to ask Thea yourself for clarification.  After a little prodding she just may say hello if you have the temerity to answer politely and firmly that you welcome her voice once again.  it is not up to me ever to prove your own negativity and I will not bother ever again to say hello to the worm that feeds in your heart.
 
 
 
I need no prove anything to your monsters and frankly I would be done with you if I thought I could move away from the rot that is in this list.  It denigrates beauty and it stifles the imagination of anyone who delights in the spirit and the words of God as they are currently expressed from the mansion worlds today.
 
 
 
It is my own sense of duty that I do these things without you and I intend to continue with what I am requested to do.  LinEl is appalled at what he sees as comportment on the list and finishes with you characters as well.  I could care less what you think, but I will tell you that the last time I heard anyone speak well was Gerdean asking for forgiveness for all of her trespasses.  I think she needs to do so again along with you Rob Davis.
 
 
 
'''Craig Bergland posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM'''
 
 
 
I love reading Ron's stuff. What purpose is there to be so unkindly negative toward him?  He is always entertaining and thought provoking. Please be nice and gentle beings??? OK?  XOXOXO
 
 
 
'''Craig Bergland posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:07 PM'''
 
 
 
:Ron, a little harsh reply perhaps?
 
:Do not use negativity to fight negativity.
 
:I thought the post was unlike you.
 
:Let us all sleep in our own beds.
 
:Thanks for what you do, and you need not defend yourself.  At least to me.
 
 
 
'''Rob posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM'''
 
 
 
"True bio". Sounds like a tabloid title. I appreciate the entertainment quality.
 
 
 
'''Gerdean posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:06 PM'''
 
 
 
It would seem I am the only one around here who is honest enough to admit I HAVE tresspassed.  Everone else, it seems, walks on water!
 
 
And since we are having what is vulgarly having a "zipper down balls on the table conversation" about Gerdean and Thea and Ron Besser, I will convey to you that Thea and I were quite close, and neither of us was bashful in our character studies of our peers.  It was Thea who told me she had discovered that you were in a mental institution briefly at the time and as a result of an episode which YOU presented as having been the occasion of your own fusion.
 
 
I know where Thea admired you, Mr. Besser, and I know what she did not admire about you as well.  She and I were similarly ruthlessly honest with ourselves about each other, which is why we were able to become so close and make such good progress on our mutual emotional and/or mental illnesses ... something we all have but only rarely is anyone courageous enough to admit this is a dysfunctional world and not one of us is completely well yet, but though we may be emotionally or mentally ill or socially retarded, we are neither criminal nor insane.  I know what insanity is.  I know that using the memory of dead people who are in the next world to manipulate people who are still in this world, is wrong.  Wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
 
Don't ever, EVER consider that you will be able to transmit Gerdean after I have gone to Mansonia because it will serve no purpose.  I will not hear you.  I will be busy doing there what I am supposed to be doing there, having already done here what I was to have done here, which I have done, for God, for Urantia, and for my fellowman.  If anybody hears from Gerdean of Mansonia after I am gone, let it be known now:  IT IS A LIE.  I'll wait and see you on the other side.
 
 
Don't threaten my immortal soul, Ron Besser.  It is not in your jurisdiction.  And don't tell me to shut up.
 
 
 
'''Craig Bergland posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:23 PM'''
 
 
 
OK. Time out. Everybody go sit in the corner until we can be civilized, please.
 
 
 
This is very ugly and hurtful, please stop.
 
 
 
'''Rob posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:28 PM'''
 
 
 
Truth can be painful.
 
 
 
'''John Kimble posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM'''
 
 
 
AND the beat goes on!!
 
 
 
'''Steffani posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM'''
 
 
 
...or just maybe the more familiar version surfacing?  
 
 
 
'''Gerdean posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM'''
 
 
 
This is The Correcting Time.
 
 
You can't fix it if you don't know what it is.
 
 
[[48:7|48:7.18 16]]. You cannot perceive spiritual truth until you '''feelingly''' experience it, and many truths are not really felt except in adversity.
 
 
It is not our job to cut off the useless branches on our peers, only on ourselves.  But when someone's brambles start choking the life out of neighboring vines, it needs to be brought out into the light so we can count the cost of our association.
 
 
 
'''Steffani posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM'''
 
 
 
From whence cometh the arbiter of what is considered uncivilized, ugly, and/or hurtful?
 
 
 
What value has honesty, integrity, and a willingness to speak one's truth clearly have in your "corner" of 'reality checking'?
 
 
 
'''Steffani posted to tml Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:02 PM'''
 
 
 
Surely Gerdean, if RON BESSER channels Michael of Nebadon saying we're in for nasty weather, AND all the previous wisdom based universal rules of conduct have been suddenly suspended, we can decide on the basis of his previous prognostications...NONE of which have ever come to pass, whether this newest bit of purportedly morontia gleaned scuttlebutt is likely to be so...and/or a manipulative ploy...or not? 
 
 
 
'''Rob posted to tml Tue, May 8, 2013 at 3:35 PM'''
 
 
 
One of the great benefits of Ron's exhaustion of appeals to authority is the realization that it is not the presumed authority or celebrity of any teaching that defines its value. We have long since entered an era where the only criteria for such evaluations is the positive effect upon the lives of those who might embrace such teaching. As we know, these positive effects are referred to simply as the fruits of spirit.
 

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WARNING: Readers should be apprised of conflicting assessments of the ABC Summaries, occurring specifically in the documents Conversations with Monjoronson numbers 65, 66, and 67.--rdavis 19:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)