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I have been in conversation with various IPs which seem to be connected to {{user:Daynal}}.  I believe that the editor behind these accounts, currently blocked for [[WP:SOCK|operating multiple accounts]] can be a productive editor.  However, I do have a couple of reservations, which I hope we can address here.  I have asked a couple of editors to step in and help to [[WP:MENTOR|mentor]] [[User:Daynal]] and direct him toward the ways of contructively participating in the wikipedia project.
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Here are my conditions for unblocking:
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# At least one trusted editor agrees to function as mentor (I have asked two).
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# Editor will only operate one account, and preferably limit the amount of un-logged in editing.
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# Editor will refrain from copying the comments of others to various places and refactoring them (which breaks the [[WP:GFDL|contribution history]] and [[WP:TALK|misrepresents the words of others]]).
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# Editor will focus on content, not [[WP:SOAP|soapboxing]].
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==Agreement to unblock conditions==
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*Editor:
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*Mentor(s):
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** [[User:Merzul|Merzul]] ([[User talk:Merzul|talk]]) 23:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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*Blocking admin:  These are my expectations: The user must complete the name change process under which I originally unblocked him, under technical guidance if requested/needed.  The user must also to agree not to edit subjects which are directly connected to his publishing company without the mentor's agreement/guidance.  The user will also not start any articles directly related to his publishing company at all.  I will not mentor. -&nbsp;<font face="Verdana">[[User:Cobaltbluetony|CobaltBlueTony™]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User_talk:Cobaltbluetony#top|talk]]</sub></font> 00:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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==Discussion==
 
I have been in conversation with various IPs which seem to be connected to {{user:Daynal}}.  I believe that the editor behind these accounts, currently blocked for [[WP:SOCK|operating multiple accounts]] can be a productive editor.  However, I do have a couple of reservations, which I hope we can address here.  I have asked a couple of editors to step in and help to [[WP:MENTOR|mentor]] [[User:Daynal]] and direct him toward the ways of contructively participating in the wikipedia project.
 
I have been in conversation with various IPs which seem to be connected to {{user:Daynal}}.  I believe that the editor behind these accounts, currently blocked for [[WP:SOCK|operating multiple accounts]] can be a productive editor.  However, I do have a couple of reservations, which I hope we can address here.  I have asked a couple of editors to step in and help to [[WP:MENTOR|mentor]] [[User:Daynal]] and direct him toward the ways of contructively participating in the wikipedia project.
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Until the charge of sockpuppetry was made against account [[user:Daynal]], I was content to use but this name only, and then only to prevent others from using it as I have a responsibility to and for the public use of this name by virtue of serving as admin to most domains operating with this name.  
 
Until the charge of sockpuppetry was made against account [[user:Daynal]], I was content to use but this name only, and then only to prevent others from using it as I have a responsibility to and for the public use of this name by virtue of serving as admin to most domains operating with this name.  
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My contributions (read by bots as vandalism) prior to sustaining the sockpuppetry charge stand on record for continued examination and revision. After consultation with CobaltBlueTony, the unblock procedure was implemented as per his instructions, but just before the sockpuppetry charge, it appeared to him "for some reason" the change was not processed as expected. Another editor, AndrewHowse, had suggested that I address the conflict of interest raised by the [[Timothy Wyllie]] article by editing the article under his oversight. By this point, such required an alternate account [[user:Rldavisiv]] to do so without working anonymously. To avoid misunderstanding, these were linked as per suggestions of Wikipedia policy. This apparently triggered the accusation of sockpuppetry by [[user:Pastordavid]] (quickly sustained) bringing to an immediate halt the implementation of any suggestions of these two editors.  
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The articles I wrote, [[Landon Garland]] and [[Timothy Wyllie]] (read by bots as vandalism) prior to sustaining the sockpuppetry charge stand on record for continued examination and revision. After consultation with CobaltBlueTony, the unblock procedure was implemented as per his instructions, but just before the sockpuppetry charge, it appeared to him "for some reason" the change was not processed as expected. Another editor, AndrewHowse, had suggested that I address the conflict of interest raised by the [[Timothy Wyllie]] article by editing the article under his oversight. By this point, such required an alternate account [[user:Rldavisiv]] to do so without working anonymously. To avoid misunderstanding, these were linked as per suggestions of Wikipedia policy. This apparently triggered the accusation of sockpuppetry by [[user:Pastordavid]] (quickly sustained) bringing to an immediate halt the implementation of any suggestions of these two editors.  
    
Further dialogue to address the situation has required the utilization of anonymous IP addresses, and traveling extensively finds the number of IP addresses uncountable for most tracking purposes.   
 
Further dialogue to address the situation has required the utilization of anonymous IP addresses, and traveling extensively finds the number of IP addresses uncountable for most tracking purposes.   
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#The process of mentoring was previously initiated, even if informally, but stopped by the sockpuppetry case.
 
#The process of mentoring was previously initiated, even if informally, but stopped by the sockpuppetry case.
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#This editor desired but one account linked directly to his personal contact page to demonstrate transparency. Wikipedia, unwittingly, has required many anonymous accounts to begin any discussion e.g. "exchange of ideas".  
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#This editor desired but one account linked directly to his personal contact page to demonstrate transparency. Wikipedia, by not following its procedure to inquire first before engaging in punitive action, has unwittingly required many anonymous accounts to begin discussion e.g. "exchange of ideas".  
 
#This editor 'copied comments' to the personal talkpage to "centralize discussion" as per Wikipedia policy addressing confusion of a fragmented dialogue.
 
#This editor 'copied comments' to the personal talkpage to "centralize discussion" as per Wikipedia policy addressing confusion of a fragmented dialogue.
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#The two articles written by this editor show discussion pages where requests were made to Wikipedia editors for their comments on the 'content'. The reply to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Landon_Garland first] was an automated accusation of vandalism, and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timothy_Wyllie/Archive_1 second] elicited only the Sockpuppetry charge from Pastordavid.
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#After writing two articles, requests were made to Wikipedia editors for their comments on the 'content'. The reply to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Landon_Garland first] was an automated accusation of vandalism, and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timothy_Wyllie/Archive_1 second] elicited only the Sockpuppetry charge from Pastordavid.
 
#This editor had [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wikipedia_Daynal_talkpage#Policy_Review elected], after consulting with CobaltBlueTony, to retain username [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal Daynal] to block it indefinitely.
 
#This editor had [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wikipedia_Daynal_talkpage#Policy_Review elected], after consulting with CobaltBlueTony, to retain username [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal Daynal] to block it indefinitely.
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#This editor will no longer edit any articles unless requested given that all subjects of human inquiry are 'directly connected to his publishing company'.
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#This editor will no longer edit any articles unless requested given all subjects of human inquiry are 'directly connected to his publishing company'.
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#Further, given Wikipedia's preponderant interest in copy editing relative to writing , [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rob_Davis Rob Davis] will not initiate  articles on Wikipedia.  
      
Gratefully,
 
Gratefully,
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Hello Merzul, and thank you for your willingness to work with us through this process!
 
Hello Merzul, and thank you for your willingness to work with us through this process!
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The last two points causing misunderstanding are replies to the expectations of CobaltBlueTony stipulating that I agree not to edit subjects directly connected to Daynal Institute Press that as per our [http://www.press.daynal.org/about.html purpose] necessarily includes all subject areas that would then seem to preclude my direct contributions to this particular wiki project. I am confident however, other methods may be found to avoid the appearance of any conflict of interest.
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The last two points causing misunderstanding are replies to the expectations of CobaltBlueTony stipulating that I agree not to edit subjects directly connected to Daynal Institute Press that as per our [http://www.press.daynal.org/about.html purpose] necessarily includes all subject areas that preclude then my direct contributions to this particular wiki project.  
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As for referencing 'myself'in the third person, it is my understanding Wikipedia prefers to limit first person pronouns to foster neutrality. Generally, the use of third person references seem appropriate usage when pointing to the 'account' at issue, while first person usage might be best reserved solely for the 'person' I am.
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As for referencing myself' in the third person, it is my understanding Wikipedia prefers to limit first person pronouns to foster neutrality. However, the use of third person references seem appropriate when pointing to the 'account' at issue, while first person usage might be best reserved solely for the 'person' I am.
    
Gratefully,
 
Gratefully,
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Rob--[[Special:Contributions/74.223.63.66|74.223.63.66]] ([[User talk:74.223.63.66|talk]]) 00:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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Rob--[[Special:Contributions/12.172.30.9|12.172.30.9]] ([[User talk:12.172.30.9|talk]]) 22:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
    
Gentlemen:
 
Gentlemen:
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Rob Davis --[[Special:Contributions/12.198.116.2|12.198.116.2]] ([[User talk:12.198.116.2|talk]]) 05:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 
Rob Davis --[[Special:Contributions/12.198.116.2|12.198.116.2]] ([[User talk:12.198.116.2|talk]]) 05:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
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==Background material==
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*[[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daynal]]
    
==Background material==
 
==Background material==
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