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===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

Contrasting and Comparing Good and Evil

*Contrasting and Comparing Good and Evil

Elizabeth: I had a question that came out of the fact that one of the papers that is sent to us is talking about contrast, that it's the greatest teacher, that on our planet we learn by looking at comparative evil as against a better good, and that this is an excellent teacher.

And it reminded me of something that I was really always sort of [[questioning]], which was in a book about the [[angels]]. There was a picture of "the dark angels" and they were [[representative]] of the under side that had given up themselves so that they could serve some [[purpose]], and so when I was [[reading]] about this contrast, I was wondering.

And it reminded me of something that I was really always sort of questioning, which was in a book about the angels. There was a picture of "the dark angels" and they were representative of the under side that had given up themselves so that they could serve some purpose, and so when I was reading about this contrast, I was wondering.

Now, for instance, this [[young man]] who [[committed]] [[suicide]], was certainly caught up in the [[negative]], and so maybe a lot of people will learn something from the [[tragedy]] of his [[life]], and so I'm really wondering-- For instance [[Judas]], people have said on occasion to me, he "[[volunteered]]" because he was going to help people to learn, and so I'm really [[confused]] about this role!

Now, for instance, this young man who committed suicide, was certainly caught up in the negative, and so maybe a lot of people will learn something from the tragedy of his life, and so I'm really wondering-- For instance Judas, people have said on occasion to me, he "volunteered" because he was going to help people to learn, and so I'm really confused about this role!

TOMAS: I am not certain, Elizabeth, what role you are referencing, for you made reference to at least four examples, but I do oversee your general [[dilemma]] and I would refer you all to-- Is it [[3:5|page 51]], Leah?

TOMAS: I am not certain, Elizabeth, what role you are referencing, for you made reference to at least four examples, but I do oversee your general dilemma and I would refer you all to-- Is it page 51, Leah?

Leah: Yes.

Leah:

TOMAS: -- the example of [[contrasts]] as a way of weighing, that if this is [[necessary]] on one hand then that is required on the other as a [[balance]] point.

Yes.

But let me elevate that concept slightly, for [[future]] [[reference]] and for [[unity]] of goal sake, for [[eventually]] [[Urantia]] will become settled in [[Light and Life]], and it will not be necessary to [[experience]] the hardships as they are known in a more [[primitive]] society. It will not be necessary for you to have [[war]] in order to appreciate the merits of [[peace]] for the actual lesson will have been learned.

TOMAS: -- the example of contrasts as a way of weighing, that if this is necessary on one hand then that is required on the other as a balance point.

The [[contrast]] then becomes one of refinements and nuances of [[perfection]]. Indeed, as you evolve (you individually and as a race of people, the [[human]] race), your [[sensitivities]] will incorporate greater and greater [[realities]], spirit realities. Your sensitivities and sensibilities will be very refined from where they are today, and it would be [[vulgar]] then to have a [[contrast]] so low as to shock the sensibilities of a race of people who had long since evolved up and out of the [[negative]] side of that coin. Do you see what I'm saying?

But let me elevate that concept slightly, for future reference and for unity of goal sake, for eventually Urantia will become settled in Light and Life, and it will not be necessary to experience the hardships as they are known in a more primitive society. It will not be necessary for you to have war in order to appreciate the merits of peace for the actual lesson will have been learned.

Elizabeth: I do! I do. I remember that somebody had told me once that when you reach a certain [[spiritual]] level you simply are [[choosing]] from good or better.

TOMAS: Correct. Yes. Remember your [[experiences]] here on this [[finite]] realm are rather rugged. Your [[soul]] is being forged and certain testing ground is utilized. If there were no [[self]] to [[forsake]] to [[do the Father's will]] . .. well, one day the self will be greatly diminished from where it is today, but it will still need to be [[modified]] to accommodate the Father's will.

 

*Condoning Contrary Behaviors

 

Elizabeth: Well, I had another question, too, about something in my personal life, which is a person very close to me that I have to [[pray]] about a lot, and have to use the [[method]] in [[A Course in Miracles]] about in order to have a [[relationship]] with this individual.

TOMAS: Correct. Yes. Remember your experiences here on this finite realm are rather rugged. Your soul is being forged and certain testing ground is utilized. If there were no self to forsake to do the Father's will . .. well, one day the self will be greatly diminished from where it is today, but it will still need to be modified to accommodate the Father's will.

 

Condoning Contrary Behaviors

 

Elizabeth: Well, I had another question, too, about something in my personal life, which is a person very close to me that I have to pray about a lot, and have to use the method in A Course in Miracles about in order to have a relationship with this individual.

TOMAS: What lesson from the Course is it that you are applying?

TOMAS: What lesson from the Course is it that you are applying?

Elizabeth: That he is my teacher. He's my best teacher because he is -- I have to forgive him. My spirit has to reach out and forgive him mostly every day because he's in my family.

Elizabeth: That he is my teacher. He's my best teacher because he is -- I have to [[forgive]] him. My spirit has to reach out and [[forgive]] him mostly every day because he's in my [[family]].

TOMAS: Perhaps rather than A Course in Miracles, Elizabeth, you would do well to revert to a walk through the library and discover what kind of book he is.

TOMAS: Perhaps rather than [[A Course in Miracles]], Elizabeth, you would do well to revert to a walk through the [[library]] and [[discover]] what kind of book he is.

Elizabeth: (Laughing) That's good. My problem is this: I don't want to seem to condone this person's behavior. As. I'm accepting him and not being angry with him, then I'm very confused because I don't know how far that behavior goes, because it seems to me that he could misconstrue it as condoning his behavior. So I have a problem in this situation. I just have the feeling that he might think that I am condoning, because I haven't verbalized any anger. I hope I have not even had it.

Elizabeth: (Laughing) That's good. My [[problem]] is this: I don't want to seem to [[condone]] this person's [[behavior]]. As. I'm [[accepting]] him and not being [[angry]] with him, then I'm very [[confused]] because I don't know how far that behavior goes, because it seems to me that he could misconstrue it as condoning his behavior. So I have a problem in this situation. I just have the [[feeling]] that he might think that I am condoning, because I haven't verbalized any [[anger]]. I [[hope]] I have not even had it.

TOMAS: It is not necessary to manifest a stand through emotion just because your society is accustomed to emotional communication. There are infinitely superior methods of communicating your truths without reverting to lesser and primitive behaviors. It is possible for the enlightened human being to indicate to another with a smile on one's face and love in one's eyes that their behavior in your opinion is unconscionable but you are in no position to judge, only to offer your opinion. This can be done graciously. It is not necessary that you agree with everyone or that they agree with you, remember, and it is perfectly all right to disagree, even affectionately.

TOMAS: It is not [[necessary]] to [[manifest]] a stand through [[emotion]] just because your [[society]] is accustomed to emotional [[communication]]. There are infinitely superior [[methods]] of communicating your truths without reverting to lesser and [[primitive]] [[behaviors]]. It is possible for the [[enlightened]] [[human being]] to indicate to another with a [[smile]] on one's face and [[love]] in one's eyes that their behavior in your [[opinion]] is unconscionable but you are in no position to judge, only to offer your opinion. This can be done [[graciously]]. It is not necessary that you [[agree]] with everyone or that they agree with you, remember, and it is perfectly all right to disagree, even affectionately.

Elizabeth: Thank you.

Elizabeth: Thank you.

Group: Oh, hello Merium.

Group: Oh, hello Merium.

MERIUM:How wonderful that you are all together. I do feel as if my fine-feathered friends were home from their flights, and I nestle you under my wings, little birds. [Ed. - Elizabeth and Leah just got back from the Urantia Fellowship Conference in Vancouver, Canada.]

MERIUM:How [[wonderful]] that you are all together. I do feel as if my fine-feathered friends were home from their flights, and I nestle you under my wings, little birds. [Ed. - Elizabeth and Leah just got back from the Urantia Fellowship Conference in Vancouver, Canada.]

Group: Good.

Group: Good.

MERIUM: How good to have you all with your feet on the ground.

MERIUM: How good to have you all with your feet on the ground.

Tomas has graciously afforded me an opportunity to come and visit with you for awhile this evening.

Tomas has graciously afforded me an [[opportunity]] to come and [[visit]] with you for awhile this evening.

 

Playing on the Floor

*Playing on the Floor

It is different for me to communicate through this vessel. I have been making strides in our process of working together. I do however find it valuable to speak through this more experienced T/R in order to maintain my relationship with you integrally, aside from whatever voice I may be using; also to familiarize myself with the mechanism of this mind which I am getting more familiar with and which is getting more comfortable with me; and also to teach and preach and provide a point counter-point for my companion, dear Tomas. So I greet you.

I am not full of advisement. I am full of [[love]] and [[embraces]] -- "warm fuzzies." I will [[share]] with you that-- now, this is an [[intimate]] anecdote, for those of you who would rather skip over this personal stuff. But-- I was observing, not long ago, when Gerdean was being tested in her own [[growth]] throes, and I had the [[opportunity]] to visit with her in her private time with [[Michael]].

I am not full of advisement. I am full of love and embraces -- "warm fuzzies." I will share with you that-- now, this is an intimate anecdote, for those of you who would rather skip over this personal stuff. But-- I was observing, not long ago, when Gerdean was being tested in her own growth throes, and I had the opportunity to visit with her in her private time with Michael.

It had not occurred to her that I might be of [[service]] to her for she was so accustomed to working almost exclusively with Tomas, and yet when her [[reality]] had [[become]] so bound up in the reality of Tomas that she began to lose her own footing, she renounced Tomas, set him aside, and sought [[guidance]] from Michael, who suggested that I might be of [[service]]. [[Imagine]] her astonishment -- she who had forgotten that I am a teacher and that I am here to serve and I am not Tomas!

It had not occurred to her that I might be of service to her for she was so accustomed to working almost exclusively with Tomas, and yet when her reality had become so bound up in the reality of Tomas that she began to lose her own footing, she renounced Tomas, set him aside, and sought guidance from Michael, who suggested that I might be of service. Imagine her astonishment -- she who had forgotten that I am a teacher and that I am here to serve and I am not Tomas!

Well, I [[believe]] she and I had a nice chat that evening. I conveyed to her that I am the kind of [[adjunct]] of [[The Infinite Spirit]], the kind of a [[mother]] and [[elder]] sister, who would not demand that you stand tall and [[dignified]] on a constant basis; I did not require you to be [[persistent]] in your pursuits of [[perfection]], but allowed for some [[relaxation]] of mind, body and spirit, and that indeed I am the kind of being who would get down on the floor and [[play]] with my children rather than expecting you to constantly play the part of being grown up.

Well, I believe she and I had a nice chat that evening. I conveyed to her that I am the kind of adjunct of The Infinite Spirit, the kind of a mother and elder sister, who would not demand that you stand tall and dignified on a constant basis; I did not require you to be persistent in your pursuits of perfection, but allowed for some relaxation of mind, body and spirit, and that indeed I am the kind of being who would get down on the floor and play with my children rather than expecting you to constantly play the part of being grown up.

It is important for me to reach you, and I am not [[proud]], you see. I will do whatever I can to make [[contact]] with those in my charge. You are my flock now, and I [[share]] you with Tomas who has about his [[manner]] a certain [[authority]], a certain demeanor that is [[inherent]] in him because of many things -- and I do not begrudge Tomas his [[personality]] [[manifestation]], but, by the same token, I am a counter [[balance]] as well as a helpmate, and I am not averse to getting down on the floor and playing with you, my little chicks.

It is important for me to reach you, and I am not proud, you see. I will do whatever I can to make contact with those in my charge. You are my flock now, and I share you with Tomas who has about his manner a certain authority, a certain demeanor that is inherent in him because of many things -- and I do not begrudge Tomas his personality manifestation, but, by the same token, I am a counter balance as well as a helpmate, and I am not averse to getting down on the floor and playing with you, my little chicks.

And this is why I sometimes appear, by [[comparison]], frivolous or air-headed (and this is not true at all!) It is only that when you know and love Teacher Tomas, that I am so [[different]] by [[comparison]]; but even then, as we work [[together]], you will soon see and determine for yourself that we are not different in the [[essentials]], that, like you, we are [[equal]] in the eyes of [[the Father]] and we are [[earnest]] in our intent to love and serve, just as you are, my lovely friends.

And this is why I sometimes appear, by comparison, frivolous or air-headed (and this is not true at all!) It is only that when you know and love Teacher Tomas, that I am so different by comparison; but even then, as we work together, you will soon see and determine for yourself that we are not different in the essentials, that, like you, we are equal in the eyes of the Father and we are earnest in our intent to love and serve, just as you are, my lovely friends.

You may appear to be [[different]]. Your [[personalities]] indeed are like the many [[colors]] of the [[rainbow]], the many lilies in the field and the many birds on the wing. But at [[heart]] we are children of the [[Eternal Parent]], we are indwelt by an aspect of [[perfection]] that seeks to return to its Source. And so we shall. And so we shall. But in the meantime we will enjoy the [[moment]], for if we savor the moment, we will learn to [[love]] life here and now, -- and in each other's [[presence]] and in each other's (and [[the Father]]'s and Tomas' and my) loving [[embrace]]. When we are [[surrounded]] by love here and with each other, we will know love and give love.

You may appear to be different. Your personalities indeed are like the many colors of the rainbow, the many lilies in the field and the many birds on the wing. But at heart we are children of the Eternal Parent, we are indwelt by an aspect of perfection that seeks to return to its Source. And so we shall. And so we shall. But in the meantime we will enjoy the moment, for if we savor the moment, we will learn to love life here and now, -- and in each other's presence and in each other's (and the Father's and Tomas' and my) loving embrace. When we are surrounded by love here and with each other, we will know love and give love.

It is real. It is true. It is [[generous]]. And you have generously given to us this evening. I hope I have conveyed to you how generously my [[heart]] opens to you, my daughters, and how thrilled we are to have this [[experience]] of being [[intimate]] [[companions]] of you, our students, our [[ascension]] friends.

It is real. It is true. It is generous. And you have generously given to us this evening. I hope I have conveyed to you how generously my heart opens to you, my daughters, and how thrilled we are to have this experience of being intimate companions of you, our students, our ascension friends.

Well, I do like to talk and I do like to have my way. I am finished when I am finished and not until. But I have felt you, my darlings, hanging on my every [[word]], and I [[weep]] for [[joy]] for my love for you.

===Closing===

===Closing===

I am going to take the helm from Tomas and sign off for the evening. It is an honor for both of us to be here with you. I will not give you an assignment except to enjoy the moment, enjoy the love that you have in you and in your horn of plenty. Farewell.

I am going to take the helm from Tomas and sign off for the evening. It is an honor for both of us to be here with you. I will not give you an assignment except to enjoy the moment, enjoy the love that you have in you and in your horn of plenty. Farewell.