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Minearisa (Bill): You are largely correct in that most [[atheists]] have [[rejected]] the [[concepts]] of [[God]]. Very, very few have truly had enough [[information]] to reject the career of [[ascension]]. However, there are some, not necessarily atheists, who have allowed their minds to drift into [[evil]], [[sin]] and [[iniquity]] to the point of no return, not many, and fortunately not often. They have deprived the [[God]] of [[experience]] of one aspect of the completion of the [[Supreme]] and their [[failure]] to be there can never be replaced with exactly their contribution, but will be replaced with another. Another [[question]] or comment?

Minearisa (Bill): You are largely correct in that most [[atheists]] have [[rejected]] the [[concepts]] of [[God]]. Very, very few have truly had enough [[information]] to reject the career of [[ascension]]. However, there are some, not necessarily atheists, who have allowed their minds to drift into [[evil]], [[sin]] and [[iniquity]] to the point of no return, not many, and fortunately not often. They have deprived the [[God]] of [[experience]] of one aspect of the completion of the [[Supreme]] and their [[failure]] to be there can never be replaced with exactly their contribution, but will be replaced with another. Another [[question]] or comment?

===='''''[[Culture]]''''', '''''[[Rebellion]]'''''====

===='''''[[Culture]]''''', '''''[[Rebellion]]'''''====

Ken: Yes, Minearisa and Daniel and our visiting [[artisan]]. I believe that is what she was. I thank you Minearisa for this lesson that you have given us on the way the [[Melchizadek school]] is being conducted, the [[intimacy]] of the contact between the [[teacher]] or professor if you prefer, with the [[student]]. I thank you for recapping and answering the question that I presented to [[the Father]] about my [[doubts]] that I had. I thank you for that. It has answered some questions, but I would like to ask you personally for me, what do I [[fear]] most in [[accepting]] the will of the Father? How can I overcome this [[doubt]] of my [[expression]] of wanting to express the will. I don't know if I made myself clear. I have doubts of my [[ability]].

Ken: Yes, Minearisa and Daniel and our visiting [[artisan]]. I believe that is what she was. I thank you Minearisa for this lesson that you have given us on the way the [[Melchizedek school]] is being conducted, the [[intimacy]] of the contact between the [[teacher]] or professor if you prefer, with the [[student]]. I thank you for recapping and answering the question that I presented to [[the Father]] about my [[doubts]] that I had. I thank you for that. It has answered some questions, but I would like to ask you personally for me, what do I [[fear]] most in [[accepting]] the will of the Father? How can I overcome this [[doubt]] of my [[expression]] of wanting to express the will. I don't know if I made myself clear. I have doubts of my [[ability]].

Daniel (Bill): My dear friend, I am Daniel speaking. Your experience of doubt as I understand it is largely a matter of cultural conditioning. The concept of God as a punisher, while consciously being repugnant to you, was nevertheless a part of your [[cultural]] [[experience]]; and by that I am not restricting it to any particular [[environment]]. In the culture of the United States of America there has been a complete plethora of [[opinions]], preachments, [[warnings]] and threats that God is an [[angry]] [[parent]] who keeps a record of wrongs and has appropriate punishments for those erring children that He wishes to inflict [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_love tough love] on, or some version of this. I am not saying that you ever personally [[believed]] that, but in the [[unconscious]] mind all these messages reside and one can only lose their [[fear]] of [[doing the will of God]] when they lose their fear of God himself--every last vestige of fear, when they can understand that the Father is nothing but enormously [[generous]] [[love]]. He has no interest in [[punishment]], no interest in [[torture]]. That is [[obscene]] in his eyes. He only desires the [[growth]], the flourishing, the blossoming of each of his children. That is his will for each child, and in order to do that He needs to be in [[intimate]] [[interface]] with each child. So the cultural stuff is there in the [[unconscious]]. It needs to be completely looked at [[intellectually]] so there can be no trace of a [[rationale]] for a [[belief]] in an [[angry]], vengeful, punishing, monstrous [[concept]] of our loving God.

Daniel (Bill): My dear friend, I am Daniel speaking. Your experience of doubt as I understand it is largely a matter of cultural conditioning. The concept of God as a punisher, while consciously being repugnant to you, was nevertheless a part of your [[cultural]] [[experience]]; and by that I am not restricting it to any particular [[environment]]. In the culture of the United States of America there has been a complete plethora of [[opinions]], preachments, [[warnings]] and threats that God is an [[angry]] [[parent]] who keeps a record of wrongs and has appropriate punishments for those erring children that He wishes to inflict [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_love tough love] on, or some version of this. I am not saying that you ever personally [[believed]] that, but in the [[unconscious]] mind all these messages reside and one can only lose their [[fear]] of [[doing the will of God]] when they lose their fear of God himself--every last vestige of fear, when they can understand that the Father is nothing but enormously [[generous]] [[love]]. He has no interest in [[punishment]], no interest in [[torture]]. That is [[obscene]] in his eyes. He only desires the [[growth]], the flourishing, the blossoming of each of his children. That is his will for each child, and in order to do that He needs to be in [[intimate]] [[interface]] with each child. So the cultural stuff is there in the [[unconscious]]. It needs to be completely looked at [[intellectually]] so there can be no trace of a [[rationale]] for a [[belief]] in an [[angry]], vengeful, punishing, monstrous [[concept]] of our loving God.

Daniel (Bill): You are welcome.

Daniel (Bill): You are welcome.

===='''''[[Survival]]''''', '''''[[Rejection]]'''''====

===='''''[[Survival]]''''', '''''[[Rejection]]'''''====

Bob: I'd like to follow up with a thing that Minearisa talked briefly about. As you read the [[Urantia Book]], it often says that there are [[individuals]] who chose not to go on. And the book says that so frequently I'm left with the [[feeling]] that maybe that number is large. Yet my [[logical]] side says, no, I don't think so. That's got to be a small number. Are you able to address that? Probably not in percentages, but could you address that? What is the [[frequency]] of [[survivors]]? How much can you tell us about that?

Bob: I'd like to follow up with a thing that Minearisa talked briefly about. As you read the [[Urantia Book]], it often says that there are [[individuals]] who chose not to go on. And the book says that so frequently I'm left with the [[feeling]] that maybe that number is large. Yet my [[logical]] side says, no, I don't think so. That's got to be a small number. Are you able to address that? Probably not in percentages, but could you address that? What is the [[frequency]] of [[survivors]]? How much can you tell us about that?