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My thinking and experience only...Ginny
My thinking and experience only...Ginny
'''Jim posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 5:40 PM'''
"if we are to be true to the Urantia Book. Suddenly the Urantia Book becomes ...."
There is no "suddenly" about it.
I have always been steadfast about the Urantia Papers. Always. Since they found me in 1968. I made my first commitment to its teachings back then, and again after Alan and I divorced, and again after the NM TeaM died a natural death in it's 8th year.
Jim: This is exactly true for me. I am a fundamentalist in that the text is absolutely correct in all it says.
I don't disdain or condemn any of these people, including you, Jim (unless it would be for transmitting Donald Duck in introducing the Teaching Mission to a new group of people in Ohio that day) but I have not held it against you all these years. Much of what we do -- all of us -- is naive, dumb, thoughtless, innocent. What I make noise about is the teaching of error as if it were truth when it is bound to affect the future course of destiny; there is no excuse for taking deliberate backward steps. We should know better. If we don't know better, then we should hang up our shingle and go back to class.
Jim: Holy Cow! Where did that come from? Transmit Donald Duck. Ha! Would like to read that transcript.
What I remember is that several of us transmitted alongside some Spiritists who were channeling in their way. We shared the experiences. They had a woman minister and had taken over an old property near downtown Columbus. Nice co-experience. And ... Or maybe that was another day maybe ...
On one day or other meeting in Columbus, OH, I wore a Bugs Bunny t-shirt which had caused some casual conversation And when Tarkas transmitted he made reference to it and our camaraderie, spinning a lesson around the term, What's Up Doc?" What is up .... doctor? What IT is .... is that we have to study and know ourselves, our inner selves, and be our own doctors for our minds, bodies and spirits and they should and can work in harmony. This is how we rise UPward in life. I guess teachers don't mind using a Bugs Bunny imploration.
It seemed to be a nice transmission but not sure that I, the transmitter, have read it. Did it seem like Donald Duck was talking? That would be quackery?
It's amazing that this is something that has been pent up in you for so long ..... truly amazing. Glad it's clarified. When I introduce new people, it's invariably Tarkas who shows up.
Otherwise on that subject of what kinds of things we might do ....and what kind of stuff has come from alleged and incredulous Extensions of the Teaching Mission ... I'm thinking that each new episode of supposed spiritual influx may be yet another teaching tool. Like ....."Taking our collected lessons over the years ...... here ..... do you believe this? Well, what about this? And why?
The Kingdom of Heaven is Within.
And like the urban cowboy song: Looking for Love in all the wrong places doesn't get it. It's nowhere that you would have to look for it.
cheers, jim
ps I'm sure Donald will get a laugh too. I'll tell him when we go down to the popcorn shoppe tonight with Huey, Dewey and Lewey. Not sure Lewey can make it, may have a date with Patchouli.
'''Gerdean posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 5:56 PM'''
The Disney transmission is hardly what I would call "pent up." Did you neglect to read the comment that "I have not held it against you all these years." One can remember things without them being a resentment. Just as one can forgive but not forget until time heals all wounds ... and wounds all heels (all of our Achilles heels will be set straight before it's over)
'''Steffani posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 6:15 PM'''
"What I make noise about is the teaching of error as if it were truth when it is bound to affect the future course of destiny; there is no excuse for taking deliberate backward steps."
Tell it like it IS...That fer sure is TRUE!
'''Jim posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 7:08 PM'''
Oh .... that's right. I think 'pent up' was the wrong term, often used in pent-up rage.
I should have said it was a misconception perhaps, maybe a longstanding misconception.
And one that I regret that you had. Donald Duck? Am still astounded. And stll pretty amused.
ps I was transmitting Sylvester the Cat one night and the front row got all wet. Suffering Succotash!!
'''Gerdean posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 9:35 PM'''
No pent up rage here. I spewed my pent up rage a few years ago. It was good to the last drop. I just get periodically pissed ... IF I have the energy ... and it is quite feeble and short-lived so I don't expect to be taken seriously.
I think you're right. It might have been Bugs Bunny instead of Donald Duck. It was certainly one of the Disney characters. Maybe I T/R'd Tinkerbell once, too. As I said, we have all done something "naive, dumb, thoughtless, innocent" ... But nobody takes that seriously. Such will not alter the course of destiny.
'''Jim posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM'''
Hi again,
No, no, no, no. I TRed Tarkas. And that's the truth. Didn't seem naive, dumb, etc., just the same friendly, fatherly advice he always intones.
But certainly we've all done and been those things at some time or other.
cheers, jim
'''Craig Bergland posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM'''
Good to the last drop...
Ha. Great.
Seems to me there are far more brutal things going on in this whacky world than dissent on these lists. My good neighbor has a brother kidnapped in Mexico, whose son paid half the ransom (not enough) and was murdered. These email wars are picayune IMVHO, and I hope to personally work toward solving real problems that are far more serious than disgruntled emailers.
But then I am a newbie here so do not know whereof I speak.
I suspect deep down that we are all the same person, so violence to one is violence to all.
Bruised egos would seem to be the lesser of our problems.
Have a nice day, and I'm still waiting to see some reconciliation here and niceness.
XOXOXO
'''John Kimble (Stute) posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 10:34 PM'''
You see Craig, nothing but Love and laughter in the mist of this mess. Just Flow and Laugh my Brother, Flow and Laugh.
You really crack me up Jim and good points made by you too Ginny.
We'll just one big happy dysfunctional Family. I can't wait until we continue all of this on the Mansion Worlds in a group face to face. Boy! that ought to be a real smack down.
Now that's a gathering I wouldn't miss for nothing.
STuTe
'''Craig B. posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM'''
Me too, and I am seriously looking forward to that.
I am soooo looking forward to that.
AND, we may have some genuine help from our fellow celestials, too. How about that?
Peace be with you, my good brother.
Laughter and humor is the best medicine. And tolerance.
XOXOXO
And, BTW, I will still find you antagonists/egoists on the Morontia worlds, and smack you upside the head for your egocentric intolerance. Be warned.
Ha.
Such arrogance on my mealy part...
THX John.
And, BTW, some sources suggests the UB has intentional errors, but I do not Grok it enough to say.
Good is God with an extra O.
Looking forward eventually to the Mansion worlds, and endless Universities, as surely as we all are.
My love and blessings.
"Now that's a gathering I would miss for nothing"
'''Steffani posted to tml Thur, May 10, 2013 at 11:52 PM'''
Gerdean wasn't there at the session with the spiritualists, Jim...just us, Steph G., Doug, and Willie. All was serious healing related messages that day, with the lady having a recurrence or exacerbation of her cancer, if I recall the time at their historic church building correctly...Maybe this spoof session Gerdean is referencing was at the tri-state meeting the year before I moved to Columbus, because I don't remember anything like that at the next one, a wonderful event held in a meeting room at the local Unity church. It sure was encouraging regarding spiritual progress when TeaM folks had meetings and conferences regardless of our personal and social differences!
Ever Interesting,
...how and what we each perceive and remember
Steff
==May 11, 2013==
'''Gerdean posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM'''
We met first en masse at a restaurant for a sumptuous meal, sponsored by .... whom? the Columbus Urantia Book readers group? ... after the meal we drove to a different location for a transmission. Not all attended; many cordially declined. But we met in what seems to be a reception room or a large entry hall, maybe even somebody's uncluttered living room. I seem to remember Jim, who served as a facilitator of this "unveiling" of the Teachers to the local yokels, leading us in Stillness and launching into T/R mode with the Disney character.
I don't remember who all was there (except that's where I first met Willie Veerhauf) and I think Jim was with Suzanne who was quite stunning that day.
'''Steffani posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM'''
Maybe if you spent some time with that Mexican cartel, Craig...we'd seem downright lovey-dovey in our interactions...'Cause really, there's not a soul here who wishes any harm to any of their beloved brethren. (except maybe...?) As a person from a large family, you must know how sibling conversations can get even when the love is very strong and REAL?
'''Steffani posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 12:26 AM'''
Yes, the Country Club for lunch, I think you and Angus spent the night at my place that time...then to the room at the Unity church...I don't remember Tarkas commenting on a Disney character...probably just a momentary laugh too insignificant to remember in relation to the more spiritual content. Later that night, or maybe it was the one before, there was a great dinner at that terrific Mediterranean restaurant on High Street, right by OSU. Jim was there with a vivacious dark haired lady, who I only met that one time...Michael Painter reminisced about the dark days of Myers tenure as a trustee at the Foundation in Chicago!
As far as celestials spoofing our cultural icons though, during my initial (and late) encounter with TeaM at IC'96...Machiventa kidding around about Star Trek at one of the 'up the hill' sessions was a life changing meaningful moment for me...I became a wholehearted believer on the spot, although it's hard to say why that was so significantly endearing it instantly won me over! And I've NEVER had a moment's doubt since either!
'''Gerdean posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 1:11 AM'''
There is something endearing about a teacher who will get down on the floor and play with his students (figuratively speaking). I can appreciate the quality of reverence when that is appropriate but I can also appreciate when the tone is not so lofty as to give me a stiff neck.
The fact is, no matter what we say or do as T/Rs, no matter what any teacher may or may not say, folks are going to find value in the Teaching Mission format or not, on their own. I always like to factor in who comprises the group, who the teacher is speaking to, for the message will adapt to accommodate the comprehension level of the students.
'''Jim posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 7:13 AM'''
Hi Ginny, I believe that you are exactly correct.
And I know that I'm no expert on what is possible and what is impossible and should recognize that.
In God all things are possible.
jim
'''Jim posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 11:17 AM'''
It seemed opportune for Tarkas to comment on my shirt, which had a laid-back Bugs Bunny coming out of the pocket. Should have chosen more proper attire for being a designated transmitter. Clothing can be distracting to an audience, I'll bet.
I have a Bob Marley Love Tee now .... maybe that would have worked better. Or another with John Lennon and NYC.
Or maybe a golfing shirt with Adidas on it.
Or maybe basic black ..... or in this case basic white .....
Garbling,
jim
'''Jim posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 11:28 AM'''
Bugs Bunny is Warner Bros. and not Disney. His compatriots via Director I. Freleng and voicemaster Mel Blanc include Elmer Fudd, Daffy Duck, Porky and Petunia Pig, the Roadrunner and Wiley Coyote, Tweety Bird and Droopy, Foghorn Leghorn, Spike and the little Chicken Hawk, Pepe LePew, Sylvester the Cat and San Fernando Red.
Walter Lantz had Andy Panda, Woody Woodpecker and Oswald Rabbit.
MGM had Tom and Jerry (and Carmen Miranda.)
The XXX market had Fritz the Cat.
The R market had Betty Boop.
The same company had Mighty Mouse. Like Mickey with muscles and a flying cape. Big black nose is the same.
Disney started with mice and began a magnate and has used every real and imagined creature of all time .... including the Little Mermaid, who was apparently born without nipples .... which are regarded as salacious or something ....
'''Steffani posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 11:56 AM'''
Just goes to show how ignorant I've chosen to remain about all these silly and unreal characters...I guess the Roadrunner and Betty Boop with their respective BeepBeep and BoopBoopBeDoo are the only two of the lot I remember as funny or cute...of course I did read R.Crum(b?) during my hippie flower child days...and Marvel Comics!
I've always considered Disney and all he's ever done as kind of repulsive...especially turning charming small 'old Florida' towns into one giant generic megaglopolis in the center of the Sunshine State, including the Silver Spurs Rodeo town of Kissimmee...all the way east to the huge Mormon ranch holdings extending from there to west Melbourne! I've adored everything 'old school' and non-plastic-fantastic since I was a 'tween'...and now that I'm grannie age I still can say that's never changed...although I do appreciate the "as above so below" networking effect of the new phones and computers...We get to know what the 'bad guys' are up to almost as soon as they do it, which may eventually lead to an opportunity for all the 'good guys' to actually do something about it!
Especially NOW that it's become apparent that the Celestial Hierarchy isn't going to step in and fix the situation for us, but apparently expects us to clean up our own stinky litterbox all by ourselves...
Let's just hope we don't wait too long to do it!
No one SUPERHERO is going to show up to do it for us either, we are each responsible for our own little corner of the galaxy, no matter how itty bitty it may be!
'''Oliver posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM'''
During my early morning prayer I asked Christ Michael to tell me what my priorities should be. To explain why, would take too long.
He said that he can not do that.
I understood the why when I started my day and did something altogether different than I had planned during my contemplation. I saw immediately why Christ Michael doe not tell me. I have free will and I need to make those decisions that allow for my growth. I had to laugh.
The micro-management expressed in this alleged communication is purely human.
Yes, it is worth saving, Rob, for all to see its sheer ludicrousness — in the future, of course. Leave my sister Thea alone already. She is without pain and does not crap any longer.
O.
'''Oliver posted to tml Thur, May 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM'''
Hello Oliver-
I couldn't agree more! It shows that any "history", including that of the Teaching Mission, could never capture the living color of its human experience.
Rob
