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Vicki:  Yes, I believe so, and I am glad that you addressed our inadequate [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude ability] to [[Administration|exact]] [[justice]] on our earth, within our own [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system courts systems], because it does seem to be something that troubles me, the lack of justice that we see, and even the amount of corruption that we see within our court systems.  So for me, it is comforting to know that though justice may not be fully served on earth within our [[mortal]] lives, that it will then take place on a [[universal]] level in the correct way.

Vicki:  Yes, I believe so, and I am glad that you addressed our inadequate [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude ability] to [[Administration|exact]] [[justice]] on our earth, within our own [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system courts systems], because it does seem to be something that troubles me, the lack of justice that we see, and even the amount of corruption that we see within our court systems.  So for me, it is comforting to know that though justice may not be fully served on earth within our [[mortal]] lives, that it will then take place on a [[universal]] level in the correct way.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, and surely [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Divine_Justice-2001-04-01 divine justice] is thorough; it is complete.  It does not miss any one [[individual]], for in your justice systems on earth, the courts and justice system often miss those who are [[guilty]], those who have perpetrated crimes but were never detected.  There is no “missing” of these when the tally is added up for each individual.  Thank you.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, and surely [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Divine_Justice-2001-04-01 divine justice] is thorough; it is complete.  It does not miss any one [[individual]], for in your justice systems on earth, the courts and justice system often miss those who are [[guilty]], those who have perpetrated crimes but were never detected.  There is no “missing” of these when the tally is added up for each individual.  Thank you.

===='''''[[Energy]]'''''====

===='''''[[Energy]]'''''====

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to try, to your satisfaction.  The energy that emanates to all, [[originates]] from [[Paradise]].  Each individual is invested with an energetic [[connection]] with Paradise, which enters through the top of your [[body]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahasrara crown chakra]) and exits your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muladhara base chakra], and grounds itself into your [[planet]]’s [[center]], thus making the [[circuit]] of energy that [[flows]] from the [[First Source and Center|Source]] and back to the Source.  What makes your [[body]] other than simply [[material]] is the living [[force]] within it, which is energetic, that it is [[manipulated]] by your [[mind]].  The chakras are the “transformer” locations—I will use these [[words]] very loosely, as there are not sufficient descriptors to describe these centers and your [[body]] [[system]] adequately, but I also want to make this understandable to those who know very little about energy and chakras.  The energy enters through your crown chakra at the top of your head, and moves through your body core.  At this time, at this [[moment]], when this occurs, it is moving through an energy system, which [[interface]]s with your body [[mechanism]], through the [[manipulation]] of your [[mind]].  You are a working, mobile body of transformers that transform the energy in the various centers of your body.  These centers are manipulated and controlled by your mind; these are mind function centers that [[interface]], [[interact]], with the [[universe]] energy [[flowing]] through your [[body]], through the [[chakras]].  

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to try, to your satisfaction.  The energy that emanates to all, [[originates]] from [[Paradise]].  Each individual is invested with an energetic [[connection]] with Paradise, which enters through the top of your [[body]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahasrara crown chakra]) and exits your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muladhara base chakra], and grounds itself into your [[planet]]’s [[center]], thus making the [[circuit]] of energy that [[flows]] from the [[First Source and Center|Source]] and back to the Source.  What makes your [[body]] other than simply [[material]] is the living [[force]] within it, which is energetic, that it is [[manipulated]] by your [[mind]].  The chakras are the “transformer” locations—I will use these [[words]] very loosely, as there are not sufficient descriptors to describe these centers and your [[body]] [[system]] adequately, but I also want to make this understandable to those who know very little about energy and chakras.  The energy enters through your crown chakra at the top of your head, and moves through your body core.  At this time, at this [[moment]], when this occurs, it is moving through an energy system, which [[interface]]s with your body [[mechanism]], through the [[manipulation]] of your [[mind]].  You are a working, mobile body of transformers that transform the energy in the various centers of your body.  These centers are manipulated and controlled by your mind; these are mind function centers that [[interface]], [[interact]], with the [[universe]] energy [[flowing]] through your [[body]], through the [[chakras]].  

   

   

These areas have been noted by various cultural [[healing]] [[traditions]] around the world, through the millennia of [[human]] [[existence]].  Your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_civilization western civilizations], [[technologically]] oriented, truly do not [[appreciate]] the multiple layers of activity in energy that [[course]]s through your body, which is [[control]]led, manipulated by your [[mind]].  The [[simplicity]] of a [[brain]] that only controls the [[functions]] of your body is an absurdly simple [[mechanistic]] explanation for something that is grandly intricate and which is [[beautifully]] assembled and [[balanced]].  The [[Life Carriers]], who [[designed]] your [[body]], have done so with infinite care, and have done a [[wonderful]] job for this [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_36#36:2._THE_LIFE_CARRIER_WORLDS decimal planet].  The chromosomal [[gene]] [[patterns]] that bring about the design and fulfillment of the design of your physical body, are wonderful constructs made by the [[Life Carriers]].  

These areas have been noted by various cultural [[healing]] [[traditions]] around the world, through the millennia of [[human]] [[existence]].  Your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_civilization western civilizations], [[technologically]] oriented, truly do not [[appreciate]] the multiple layers of activity in energy that [[course]]s through your body, which is [[control]]led, manipulated by your [[mind]].  The [[simplicity]] of a [[brain]] that only controls the [[functions]] of your body is an absurdly simple [[mechanistic]] explanation for something that is grandly intricate and which is [[beautifully]] assembled and [[balanced]].  The [[Life Carriers]], who [[designed]] your [[body]], have done so with infinite care, and have done a [[wonderful]] job for this [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_36#36:2._THE_LIFE_CARRIER_WORLDS decimal planet].  The chromosomal [[gene]] [[patterns]] that bring about the design and fulfillment of the design of your physical body, are wonderful constructs made by the [[Life Carriers]].  

   

   

What is also missing within that [[molecular]] construct is an overlay of the multiple energetic “[[DNA]]” and “[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rna RNA]” that [[course]] through your [[body]].  You do not see this; your [[scientists]] do not see it, though to us and the [[Life Carriers]], it is very visible if they were to look at your body and go within to see the various layers that are [[working]].  Your [[mind]] [[controls]] the various [[chakras]], and how they [[perform]].  If you were raised [by your [[parents]]] to feel powerless and incapable, then your [[power]] [[center]], your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manipura third chakra], would be shut down to some [[degree]].  So how you manage the energy that comes to you is a matter of [[learning]] and what comes with you in your [[temperament]] before you were born.  There are many layers that [[Influence|affect]] the [[functioning]] of your chakra and how you [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projection_of_Your_State_of_Being-2008-12-07 project yourself].  If you feel inadequate and powerless, inferior, then you will be incapable of projecting your [[consciousness]] effectively to help others.  You would be doing that out of an inner need, and the effectiveness of your [[prayers]] and [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projection_of_Your_State_of_Being-2008-12-07 projections] of [[consciousness]] is most effective when it is not done as a compensation for your [[limitations]] that you received in your learning [[environment]].  Are you beginning to appreciate the [[complexity]] of your livingness?

What is also missing within that [[molecular]] construct is an overlay of the multiple energetic “[[DNA]]” and “[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rna RNA]” that [[course]] through your [[body]].  You do not see this; your [[scientists]] do not see it, though to us and the [[Life Carriers]], it is very visible if they were to look at your body and go within to see the various layers that are [[working]].  Your [[mind]] [[controls]] the various [[chakras]], and how they [[perform]].  If you were raised [by your [[parents]]] to feel powerless and incapable, then your [[power]] [[center]], your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manipura third chakra], would be shut down to some [[degree]].  So how you manage the energy that comes to you is a matter of [[learning]] and what comes with you in your [[temperament]] before you were born.  There are many layers that [[Influence|affect]] the [[functioning]] of your chakra and how you [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projection_of_Your_State_of_Being-2008-12-07 project yourself].  If you feel inadequate and powerless, inferior, then you will be incapable of projecting your [[consciousness]] effectively to help others.  You would be doing that out of an inner need, and the effectiveness of your [[prayers]] and [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projection_of_Your_State_of_Being-2008-12-07 projections] of [[consciousness]] is most effective when it is not done as a compensation for your [[limitations]] that you received in your learning [[environment]].  Are you beginning to appreciate the [[complexity]] of your livingness?

   

   

Vicki:  Oh, absolutely!  In fact, this will take me some time to digest this.  Thank you for such a thorough explanation on many levels and in much depth.  That has been truly informing; I am looking forward to reading this transcript over again and pondering everything you’ve said.

Vicki:  Oh, absolutely!  In fact, this will take me some time to digest this.  Thank you for such a thorough explanation on many levels and in much depth.  That has been truly informing; I am looking forward to reading this transcript over again and pondering everything you’ve said.

MONJORONSON:  My [[materialization]] will be very much like what occurred for Christ [[Michael]], where he became a “captive,” so to speak, during this era in his [[material]] [[body]].  There is a giving up of the [[divine]] [[personality]], the self, to move about in the universe, though there is complete [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/access access] through the activity of [[mind]].  What you and the world will gain is proximity to me in a [[meaning]]ful way, where I am visible, I am there, you can [[touch]] me, you can [[converse]] with me, I am not removed.  And, I will remain day-after-day, year-after-year, decade-after-decade, century-after-century, until my [[work]] is complete with you.  What I give up is my ability to traverse, much as you traverse to the store, to the beach, and to the mountains, for instance.  It is much like being a paraplegic, confined to your [[home]], to your room, though there is still the [[capacity]] to [[think]] and [[create]] and to be of [[influence]] to those around you.  For myself, I would be confined in similar ways to this planet, though there are still great avenues for me to [[explore]] and use, as I am needed about in this [[local universe]] and beyond.  

MONJORONSON:  My [[materialization]] will be very much like what occurred for Christ [[Michael]], where he became a “captive,” so to speak, during this era in his [[material]] [[body]].  There is a giving up of the [[divine]] [[personality]], the self, to move about in the universe, though there is complete [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/access access] through the activity of [[mind]].  What you and the world will gain is proximity to me in a [[meaning]]ful way, where I am visible, I am there, you can [[touch]] me, you can [[converse]] with me, I am not removed.  And, I will remain day-after-day, year-after-year, decade-after-decade, century-after-century, until my [[work]] is complete with you.  What I give up is my ability to traverse, much as you traverse to the store, to the beach, and to the mountains, for instance.  It is much like being a paraplegic, confined to your [[home]], to your room, though there is still the [[capacity]] to [[think]] and [[create]] and to be of [[influence]] to those around you.  For myself, I would be confined in similar ways to this planet, though there are still great avenues for me to [[explore]] and use, as I am needed about in this [[local universe]] and beyond.  

   

   

It is [[essential]] that each [[planet]] have a meaningful [[connection]] to the [[Divine]], that there is an acquaintanceship—and not only an acquaintanceship, but a [[friendship]]—a familiarity that is filled with [[awe]] and [[respect]], which states to the [[mortal]], “there is more.”  This is the life you will engage and enjoy eventually in the [[infinity]] of your [[ascendant career]].  There is life beyond this [[material]] [[mortal]] [[existence]], and I represent that completely.  It is important—my life in the [[flesh]]—will be one of the most important [[developments]] and [[revelations]] of all the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of Urantia], and the whole [[population]] of this world, in the [[present]] [[time]] and in the [[future]] [[generations]].  I will remain long enough that your [[history]] on this planet will be indelibly inked with the [[fact]] of my [[presence]] and the impact that presence has, will have, and has had upon your world in all realms of human life and living.  Nothing will be untouched by my [[presence]].  

It is [[essential]] that each [[planet]] have a meaningful [[connection]] to the [[Divine]], that there is an acquaintanceship—and not only an acquaintanceship, but a [[friendship]]—a familiarity that is filled with [[awe]] and [[respect]], which states to the [[mortal]], “there is more.”  This is the life you will engage and enjoy eventually in the [[infinity]] of your [[ascendant career]].  There is life beyond this [[material]] [[mortal]] [[existence]], and I represent that completely.  It is important—my life in the [[flesh]]—will be one of the most important [[developments]] and [[revelations]] of all the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of Urantia], and the whole [[population]] of this world, in the [[present]] [[time]] and in the [[future]] [[generations]].  I will remain long enough that your [[history]] on this planet will be indelibly inked with the [[fact]] of my [[presence]] and the impact that presence has, will have, and has had upon your world in all realms of human life and living.  Nothing will be untouched by my [[presence]].  

   

   

Yet, I will also be your [[neighbor]]; I will be available to sit down over dinner, a drink—tea, coffee, water or wine—with you, and enjoy life as a [[mortal]] with you, so that you can know me as a [[friend]], for in the [[universe]], all are [[friends]].  We are all neighbors, though there are many that you will not see for many, many lifetimes into the [[future]] in other realms of your [[ascendant career]]; they are nonetheless friendly and amenable to you, if you are able to see them and relate to them.  So it is [[necessary]] for a [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Divine Son] to make the [[descent]] to this [[mortal]] realm, to be with you so that your [[journey]] becomes more real to you, more [[personal]], and that your [[decisions]] and your [[actions]] and your [[thoughts]] become more in [[alignment]] with your [[ascendant career]], and that you begin to contribute to the ends of your ascendant career, right now, in this [[moment]].  I am here to help you [[individually]], and as a [[civilization]].  Thank you.

Yet, I will also be your [[neighbor]]; I will be available to sit down over dinner, a drink—tea, coffee, water or wine—with you, and enjoy life as a [[mortal]] with you, so that you can know me as a [[friend]], for in the [[universe]], all are [[friends]].  We are all neighbors, though there are many that you will not see for many, many lifetimes into the [[future]] in other realms of your [[ascendant career]]; they are nonetheless friendly and amenable to you, if you are able to see them and relate to them.  So it is [[necessary]] for a [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Divine Son] to make the [[descent]] to this [[mortal]] realm, to be with you so that your [[journey]] becomes more real to you, more [[personal]], and that your [[decisions]] and your [[actions]] and your [[thoughts]] become more in [[alignment]] with your [[ascendant career]], and that you begin to contribute to the ends of your ascendant career, right now, in this [[moment]].  I am here to help you [[individually]], and as a [[civilization]].  Thank you.

   

   

Vicki:  Thank you.  That was very thorough, and I can truly see the benefit in the length of time you will be with us, and how that will maximize and increase your ability to [[affect]] our civilization.  Thank you.

Vicki:  Thank you.  That was very thorough, and I can truly see the benefit in the length of time you will be with us, and how that will maximize and increase your ability to [[affect]] our civilization.  Thank you.

===='''''[[Magisterial Mission]]''''', '''''[[Growth]]'''''====

===='''''[[Magisterial Mission]]''''', '''''[[Growth]]'''''====

Vicki:  It would be tremendous, for sure.  My next question has to do with the [[confusion]] [of] what a [[Magisterial Son]] is, even with the [[information]] that we receive in the [[Urantia Book]], it’s still quite confusing to many of us.  And so my next question has to do with one area of confusion for me that has to do with [[understanding]] your [[growth]] [[potential]] [as a] [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Descending Son of God].  It is my understanding that as a Magisterial or [[Paradise Son]] you are a fully unified [[personality]], conceived in [[perfection]], but with a growth potential.  In other [[words]], you [[function]] within the experiential realm of [[the Supreme]].  Am I correct?  (Yes.)  As a [[mortal]] then, when I think of growth, I [[think]] of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error] [[experience]], and it is hard for me to grasp how one grows, who is within themselves perfect.  My question is: how can you add [[growth]] experience to [[perfection]]?  Can you explain how your growth is similar to or different from our mortal experience of growth as [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40 ascending sons of God]?

Vicki:  It would be tremendous, for sure.  My next question has to do with the [[confusion]] [of] what a [[Magisterial Son]] is, even with the [[information]] that we receive in the [[Urantia Book]], it’s still quite confusing to many of us.  And so my next question has to do with one area of confusion for me that has to do with [[understanding]] your [[growth]] [[potential]] [as a] [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Descending Son of God].  It is my understanding that as a Magisterial or [[Paradise Son]] you are a fully unified [[personality]], conceived in [[perfection]], but with a growth potential.  In other [[words]], you [[function]] within the experiential realm of [[the Supreme]].  Am I correct?  (Yes.)  As a [[mortal]] then, when I think of growth, I [[think]] of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error] [[experience]], and it is hard for me to grasp how one grows, who is within themselves perfect.  My question is: how can you add [[growth]] experience to [[perfection]]?  Can you explain how your growth is similar to or different from our mortal experience of growth as [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40 ascending sons of God]?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  The kernel, the [[seed]] germ within your question is the [[statement]] about trial and error.  My participation, for example, in your world is not a matter of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error].  It is truly the [[expression]] of the [[development]], much as viewing a flower bulb that is planted in the ground that sprouts in spring.  It is a dormant bulb in the chill of winter, [then] puts down little rootlets, receives nourishment and begins to [[grow]] and push through a first sprout into the sunlight, showing, “this is the way.”  As you see this bulb develop into many green leaves and finally a [[center]] shoot, which is the stem of the flower and the opening of the petals of the flower, the stamen and the color of the bloom, this was not trial and error, was it?  (No.)  But truly the [[expression]] of a known and given plan to begin with.   

MONJORONSON:  The kernel, the [[seed]] germ within your question is the [[statement]] about trial and error.  My participation, for example, in your world is not a matter of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error].  It is truly the [[expression]] of the [[development]], much as viewing a flower bulb that is planted in the ground that sprouts in spring.  It is a dormant bulb in the chill of winter, [then] puts down little rootlets, receives nourishment and begins to [[grow]] and push through a first sprout into the sunlight, showing, “this is the way.”  As you see this bulb develop into many green leaves and finally a [[center]] shoot, which is the stem of the flower and the opening of the petals of the flower, the stamen and the color of the bloom, this was not trial and error, was it?  (No.)  But truly the [[expression]] of a known and given plan to begin with.   

   

   

Your world has not [[experienced]] the full and perfect bloom of [[growth]].  You have, even as individuals, used trial and error to grow; this is the beginning of experience, [[reflecting]] upon experience in getting [[wisdom]] to guide future [[decisions]].  Your [[civilizations]] have not had the [[wonderful]] [[opportunity]] to grow into [[perfection]], into [[sustainability]]—never in the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of this planet] has any [[civilization]] ever [[survived]] and sustained itself and bloomed further.  All have died, withered and succumbed to the rigors of history and the weaknesses of [[humanity]].  I am here to help unfold the [[perfect]] plan of [[development]] for your world.  

Your world has not [[experienced]] the full and perfect bloom of [[growth]].  You have, even as individuals, used trial and error to grow; this is the beginning of experience, [[reflecting]] upon experience in getting [[wisdom]] to guide future [[decisions]].  Your [[civilizations]] have not had the [[wonderful]] [[opportunity]] to grow into [[perfection]], into [[sustainability]]—never in the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of this planet] has any [[civilization]] ever [[survived]] and sustained itself and bloomed further.  All have died, withered and succumbed to the rigors of history and the weaknesses of [[humanity]].  I am here to help unfold the [[perfect]] plan of [[development]] for your world.  

   

   

How I “grow,” (and put the word “grow” in quotes, please), is through the addition of experience of [[unfolding]] this perfect plan for [[Urantia]], for your civilizations, for this world, and for [[individuals]] who can grow into perfection more easily than they have in the past history of your [[fractured]] and tumultuous planet.  My addition to growth is the addition of experience to [[God the Supreme]], that experiential element through a [[Divine]] [[Being]], who adds and augments the completion of [[the Supreme]].  Yes, I am perfect, I am Divine, yet experience is something I gain in living this way.  I gain experience though—at this [[moment]]—when I am not materially [[manifest]] on your world, I gain experience and a contribution to God the Supreme by being [[physically]], corporeally present on your world and experience the [[difficulties]] and rigors of being a [[mortal]] captive, a mortal material captive on a [[planet]].  This is—though I have experienced that before—completely new, for this world, for this planet.  So there is something new to be gained for God the Supreme, myself, and in turn, we give so much to you in doing so.  Does this help?

How I “grow,” (and put the word “grow” in quotes, please), is through the addition of experience of [[unfolding]] this perfect plan for [[Urantia]], for your civilizations, for this world, and for [[individuals]] who can grow into perfection more easily than they have in the past history of your [[fractured]] and tumultuous planet.  My addition to growth is the addition of experience to [[God the Supreme]], that experiential element through a [[Divine]] [[Being]], who adds and augments the completion of [[the Supreme]].  Yes, I am perfect, I am Divine, yet experience is something I gain in living this way.  I gain experience though—at this [[moment]]—when I am not materially [[manifest]] on your world, I gain experience and a contribution to God the Supreme by being [[physically]], corporeally present on your world and experience the [[difficulties]] and rigors of being a [[mortal]] captive, a mortal material captive on a [[planet]].  This is—though I have experienced that before—completely new, for this world, for this planet.  So there is something new to be gained for God the Supreme, myself, and in turn, we give so much to you in doing so.  Does this help?