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Iruka: Indeed a [[quiet]] group today. I could make some comments. It is nice to see you again J2, it has been a long time. Nice to see you back.

Iruka: Indeed a [[quiet]] group today. I could make some comments. It is nice to see you again J2, it has been a long time. Nice to see you back.

J2: Hello, I don't have a [[question]], but I was kind of amused that you would use the driving situation such as [[grace]] in someone letting you in and being graceful and letting someone else in. It is something I have been [[working]] on because it is [[amazing]] but I am very [[calm]] until I get behind the wheel. And what happens is..it reminds me of that [[commercial]] I saw...the nice gentleman comes out of the house and he gets behind the wheel and he turns into a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werewolf werewolf]. And I have been working on that as trying to keep myself [[calm]] and peaceful while I drive. I just thought I would [[share]] that comment with the group.

J2: Hello, I don't have a [[question]], but I was kind of amused that you would use the driving situation such as [[grace]] in someone letting you in and being graceful and letting someone else in. It is something I have been [[working]] on because it is [[amazing]] but I am very [[calm]] until I get behind the wheel. And what happens is..it reminds me of that [[commercial]] I saw...the nice gentleman comes out of the house and he gets behind the wheel and he turns into a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werewolf werewolf]. And I have been working on that as trying to keep myself [[calm]] and peaceful while I drive. I just thought I would [[share]] that comment with the group.

Iruka: I appreciate your [[sharing]] that. I do try to use [[examples]] that I know most of you have [[experience]] with. And in this area of the country, driving at high speeds in close proximity seems to be a way of [[life]] and affects everyone. So I try to use these [[examples]].

Iruka: I appreciate your [[sharing]] that. I do try to use [[examples]] that I know most of you have [[experience]] with. And in this area of the country, driving at high speeds in close proximity seems to be a way of [[life]] and affects everyone. So I try to use these [[examples]].

===='''''[[Destiny]]''''', '''''[[Freedom]]'''''====

===='''''[[Destiny]]''''', '''''[[Freedom]]'''''====

J1: [http://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1993-07-18-Joy_In_Life#Teacher_Contact_2 Last week] you had a [[question]] from S2 regarding [[predestination]] and [[grace]] and I am in the midst of typing that up now. I was [[wondering]] if you could perhaps elaborate a little bit on the [[difference]] again, maybe even not the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism#Karma_and_samsara Hindu] version perhaps the good old [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_%28Calvinism%29 Presbyterian version of predestination], and how that rates versus [[grace]].

J1: [https://www.nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1993-07-18-Joy_In_Life#Teacher_Contact_2 Last week] you had a [[question]] from S2 regarding [[predestination]] and [[grace]] and I am in the midst of typing that up now. I was [[wondering]] if you could perhaps elaborate a little bit on the [[difference]] again, maybe even not the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism#Karma_and_samsara Hindu] version perhaps the good old [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_%28Calvinism%29 Presbyterian version of predestination], and how that rates versus [[grace]].

Iruka: I think perhaps last week we did [[wander]] on that [[question]]. And what I mean to say is..since [[human]] [[Free will|will]] determines what will happen and that can [[change]] from various situations and various [[perspectives]] it is very [[difficult]]...and the concept of predestination is really not [[valid]]. How can it be valid when you are given the [[freedom]] to choose in any situation, and in many situations you have many, many [[choices]]. There are just not two choices, but many. It is a [[theory]] that the [[churches]] have kept alive, but when you think of your [[freedom]] do not think that anything is predetermined. Does this help?

Iruka: I think perhaps last week we did [[wander]] on that [[question]]. And what I mean to say is..since [[human]] [[Free will|will]] determines what will happen and that can [[change]] from various situations and various [[perspectives]] it is very [[difficult]]...and the concept of predestination is really not [[valid]]. How can it be valid when you are given the [[freedom]] to choose in any situation, and in many situations you have many, many [[choices]]. There are just not two choices, but many. It is a [[theory]] that the [[churches]] have kept alive, but when you think of your [[freedom]] do not think that anything is predetermined. Does this help?