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Iruka: [[The Father]] continuously showers His [[children]] with [[love]]. You are [[becoming]] [[sensitive]] and you are [[feeling]] it more and more and more. It has always been there, it is there for everyone, but unless you come into the [[quiet time]] and become [[sensitive]] and [[listen]], you don't necessarily know how much you are loved. This is from [[God]] and it is all the time, and you are noticing it coming in [[waves]], waves of [[love]]. This is what helps you [[grow]], you are being fed at this time. It is more than just love, however, it is [[the Father]]'s [[joy]] and His [[peace]], His [[compassion]], and [[acceptance]]. When you finish you feel [[wonderful]], you feel [[whole]], am I right?

Iruka: [[The Father]] continuously showers His [[children]] with [[love]]. You are [[becoming]] [[sensitive]] and you are [[feeling]] it more and more and more. It has always been there, it is there for everyone, but unless you come into the [[quiet time]] and become [[sensitive]] and [[listen]], you don't necessarily know how much you are loved. This is from [[God]] and it is all the time, and you are noticing it coming in [[waves]], waves of [[love]]. This is what helps you [[grow]], you are being fed at this time. It is more than just love, however, it is [[the Father]]'s [[joy]] and His [[peace]], His [[compassion]], and [[acceptance]]. When you finish you feel [[wonderful]], you feel [[whole]], am I right?

S2: Yes, but they don't occur during [[quiet time]], they occur during the day. This [[morning]], in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school Sunday school] class..I am talking and all of a sudden this shower occurs. I just pause, and it is like [[magnificent]]..and then there is this urge to [[talk]] and I don't even know what to talk about. But something comes up, it is like something is being created right there on the spot. It [[feels]] great, but it doesn't happen during the [[quiet time]]...is what I am [[experiencing]] correct. Should it happen during the quiet time?

S2: Yes, but they don't occur during [[quiet time]], they occur during the day. This [[morning]], in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school Sunday school] class..I am talking and all of a sudden this shower occurs. I just pause, and it is like [[magnificent]]..and then there is this urge to [[talk]] and I don't even know what to talk about. But something comes up, it is like something is being created right there on the spot. It [[feels]] great, but it doesn't happen during the [[quiet time]]...is what I am [[experiencing]] correct. Should it happen during the quiet time?

Iruka: It can happen anytime. For some reason you are sensing it at various times, it can also happen when you are in [[quiet time]]. Your [[awareness]], your [[consciousness]] is being expanded and you are [[feeling]] this and [[sensing]] this. It is a [[gift]]. It is something that happens almost continuously, so be [[aware]] of it, enjoy it, and it [[strengthens]] you, it makes you stronger on your [[path]] to [[the Father]], so that you can in turn send it out to others. This [[morning]] you were teaching and you had the [[opportunity]] to in turn send that out to your [[students]]. So it is a gift.

Iruka: It can happen anytime. For some reason you are sensing it at various times, it can also happen when you are in [[quiet time]]. Your [[awareness]], your [[consciousness]] is being expanded and you are [[feeling]] this and [[sensing]] this. It is a [[gift]]. It is something that happens almost continuously, so be [[aware]] of it, enjoy it, and it [[strengthens]] you, it makes you stronger on your [[path]] to [[the Father]], so that you can in turn send it out to others. This [[morning]] you were teaching and you had the [[opportunity]] to in turn send that out to your [[students]]. So it is a gift.

Iruka: It may be both. But remember that many teachings of Christ [[Michael]] were not [[understood]] and seemingly were [[ignored]]. But that wasn't the case, people were [[listening]] and people did take it into their [[hearts]] and did learn. But it will take time, don't be [[discouraged]], send out what you are led to send out, whatever that is, and leave it in the hands of [[the Father]] to [[touch]] people's [[hearts]]. Know that your job is done and you leave it up to someone else to complete. That way you won't feel [[responsible]], you won't feel [[rejected]]. You will know that you did your job. Does this help?

Iruka: It may be both. But remember that many teachings of Christ [[Michael]] were not [[understood]] and seemingly were [[ignored]]. But that wasn't the case, people were [[listening]] and people did take it into their [[hearts]] and did learn. But it will take time, don't be [[discouraged]], send out what you are led to send out, whatever that is, and leave it in the hands of [[the Father]] to [[touch]] people's [[hearts]]. Know that your job is done and you leave it up to someone else to complete. That way you won't feel [[responsible]], you won't feel [[rejected]]. You will know that you did your job. Does this help?

===='''''[[Bible]]''''', '''''[[Thought Adjusters]]'''''====

===='''''[[Bible]]''''', '''''[[Thought Adjusters]]'''''====

S2: Yes, that is good [[advice]]. That is what I am doing. One other [[question]] and then I will stop. In [[First Book of Samuel|Samuel]] in the [[Bible]], it is a book in the Bible, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school Sunday school] curriculum is plowing through the same [[path]], through Samuel, that was done about four years ago when I was teaching the class. So I am fairly [[comfortable]] with the [[scriptures]] and the [[content]]. In the [[old testament]] there is an equal amounts of [[positive]] and [[negative]] in every page and you can emphasize the positive. The passage today was where Samuel was a boy and he [[wakes]] up, he is dozing off to [[sleep]], and he wakes up [[thinking]] Eli is calling him.[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=First_Book_of_Samuel#Chapter_3] He goes over to Eli, and Eli says 'that wasn't me' so he goes back to sleep and somebody call him and he goes back to Eli and Eli says 'no that wasn't me' and then finally Eli says 'that is the Lord talking to you Samuel, please say I am here, I am [[listening]]'. That passage is [[illustrating]] God talking to Samuel as another [[personality]], not a [[physical]] entity, but as another personality separate from Samuel. My question is, since that occurs so frequently in the [[Old Testament]], did it actually happen. Did Samuel as a boy have such a [[relationship]] with his [[thought adjuster]] that he could hear God talking like that, or was there divine [[intervention]] to talk to Samuel like that. That is my question.

S2: Yes, that is good [[advice]]. That is what I am doing. One other [[question]] and then I will stop. In [[First Book of Samuel|Samuel]] in the [[Bible]], it is a book in the Bible, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_school Sunday school] curriculum is plowing through the same [[path]], through Samuel, that was done about four years ago when I was teaching the class. So I am fairly [[comfortable]] with the [[scriptures]] and the [[content]]. In the [[old testament]] there is an equal amounts of [[positive]] and [[negative]] in every page and you can emphasize the positive. The passage today was where Samuel was a boy and he [[wakes]] up, he is dozing off to [[sleep]], and he wakes up [[thinking]] Eli is calling him.[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=First_Book_of_Samuel#Chapter_3] He goes over to Eli, and Eli says 'that wasn't me' so he goes back to sleep and somebody call him and he goes back to Eli and Eli says 'no that wasn't me' and then finally Eli says 'that is the Lord talking to you Samuel, please say I am here, I am [[listening]]'. That passage is [[illustrating]] God talking to Samuel as another [[personality]], not a [[physical]] entity, but as another personality separate from Samuel. My question is, since that occurs so frequently in the [[Old Testament]], did it actually happen. Did Samuel as a boy have such a [[relationship]] with his [[thought adjuster]] that he could hear God talking like that, or was there divine [[intervention]] to talk to Samuel like that. That is my question.

Iruka: What was then is very similar to what is now. If you are still, what I have been teaching about finding the [[stillness]], you can make [[contact]] with your [[thought adjuster]]. In some ways, there was more [[contact]] several thousand years ago because of the [[Paper 93 - Machiventa Melchizedek|Melchizedek school]]. That teaching had not died out yet. There was [[belief]] that you could indeed be spoken to by [[the Father]] and that He did. While that seems [[strange]] today in many circles, that was more [[accepted]] back then. It probably, and specifically I don't know, but it was common. So that is very believable that, that happened. [[The Father]] does try to contact His children constantly, all the time. Today's [[society]] is so [[busy]] and so [[noisy]] with just the noises of the day and the TV and music it just drowns out any [[contact]]. So yes, the answer is yes. He did hear it. Does this answer?

Iruka: What was then is very similar to what is now. If you are still, what I have been teaching about finding the [[stillness]], you can make [[contact]] with your [[thought adjuster]]. In some ways, there was more [[contact]] several thousand years ago because of the [[Paper 93 - Machiventa Melchizedek|Melchizedek school]]. That teaching had not died out yet. There was [[belief]] that you could indeed be spoken to by [[the Father]] and that He did. While that seems [[strange]] today in many circles, that was more [[accepted]] back then. It probably, and specifically I don't know, but it was common. So that is very believable that, that happened. [[The Father]] does try to contact His children constantly, all the time. Today's [[society]] is so [[busy]] and so [[noisy]] with just the noises of the day and the TV and music it just drowns out any [[contact]]. So yes, the answer is yes. He did hear it. Does this answer?

===='''''[[Christianity]]''''', '''''[[Culture]]'''''====

===='''''[[Christianity]]''''', '''''[[Culture]]'''''====

S2: Yes, I guess the follow up [[question]] is...what went wrong. Why did those teachings die out. Why...the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism Catholics] seem to have a [[tradition]] of this kind of [[relationship]] with [[the Father]]. I have in my binder here a [[quote]] from the diary of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popes#16th.E2.80.9320th_centuries the Pope in the 50]'s being visited by [[celestial]] beings and it is astonishing the stuff that went on. It is a very [[private]] diary that is just being released. The Catholics have a [[tradition]] of doing this, it seems like. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism Protestant world] that I have been raised in, does not traditionally [[respect]] people that talk to [[God]]. Its tied up in that whole issue of [[authority]], and [[power]], and [[structure]], and respect that the Protestants try to get away from. Can you comment on that?

S2: Yes, I guess the follow up [[question]] is...what went wrong. Why did those teachings die out. Why...the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism Catholics] seem to have a [[tradition]] of this kind of [[relationship]] with [[the Father]]. I have in my binder here a [[quote]] from the diary of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popes#16th.E2.80.9320th_centuries the Pope in the 50]'s being visited by [[celestial]] beings and it is astonishing the stuff that went on. It is a very [[private]] diary that is just being released. The Catholics have a [[tradition]] of doing this, it seems like. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism Protestant world] that I have been raised in, does not traditionally [[respect]] people that talk to [[God]]. Its tied up in that whole issue of [[authority]], and [[power]], and [[structure]], and respect that the Protestants try to get away from. Can you comment on that?

Iruka: In general terms, there has been [[truth]] throughout the world. Everywhere. Certain [[societies]] and certain groups to get away from one kind of [[oppression]] has created their own kind. So some truth has been lost in some [[groups]] and other groups have kept it. That is why [[truth]] can be anywhere. It depends on the [[culture]] and who comes into power and masks the truth, or destroys it, or [[changes]] it. Each [[culture]] is a little bit different and each culture has been affected differently. This is a very large question, you are asking me why the whole world....and it is [[difficult]] to put on specific answers for each different culture. But [[sparks]] have remained here and there to keep this alive. That is why much that is in the [[Urantia Book]] is not really new. It has been forgotten in the whole [[consciousness]] of man or suppressed, or looked upon as being childish, that, that was something you believed as a child but you grow out of. And that is why some of this rings true in your [[heart]], because it is in the [[consciousness]] of man, but it is [[buried]] so deep that unless your [[attention]] is called to it then it can bubble up, and you can say ' Oh yes, this makes sense, I know this is true'. So perhaps I did not specifically answer, but I [[hope]] I gave some reasons, and some [[understanding]].

Iruka: In general terms, there has been [[truth]] throughout the world. Everywhere. Certain [[societies]] and certain groups to get away from one kind of [[oppression]] has created their own kind. So some truth has been lost in some [[groups]] and other groups have kept it. That is why [[truth]] can be anywhere. It depends on the [[culture]] and who comes into power and masks the truth, or destroys it, or [[changes]] it. Each [[culture]] is a little bit different and each culture has been affected differently. This is a very large question, you are asking me why the whole world....and it is [[difficult]] to put on specific answers for each different culture. But [[sparks]] have remained here and there to keep this alive. That is why much that is in the [[Urantia Book]] is not really new. It has been forgotten in the whole [[consciousness]] of man or suppressed, or looked upon as being childish, that, that was something you believed as a child but you grow out of. And that is why some of this rings true in your [[heart]], because it is in the [[consciousness]] of man, but it is [[buried]] so deep that unless your [[attention]] is called to it then it can bubble up, and you can say ' Oh yes, this makes sense, I know this is true'. So perhaps I did not specifically answer, but I [[hope]] I gave some reasons, and some [[understanding]].

S1: Fair enough, thank you.

S1: Fair enough, thank you.

===='''''[[Parenting]]''''', '''''[[Education]]'''''====

===='''''[[Parenting]]''''', '''''[[Education]]'''''====

S2: This is a [[question]] about child rearing. If you look at [[Joseph and Mary]] raising up [[Jesus]], and if you look in the [[Old Testament]] about the [[responsibilities]] [[families]] had for raising their kids, it appears that the [[Melchizedeks]] were in favor of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_school home schooling] and [[parents]] felt [[responsible]] for educating their [[children]] in a much greater [[degree]] than we are raised, than [[parents]] today are expected to raise their children. We take them to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_schools public schools] for a certain type of [[education]], then we take them to [[church]] for another type of education. We are really not [[responsible]] for our children. I am [[wondering]] if this [[perception]] is true, and if we look through the [[history]] and could actually see what [[Melchizedek]] taught, would we see [[society]] structured around [[families]] where [[parents]] are teaching their own children to a much greater [[degree]].

S2: This is a [[question]] about child rearing. If you look at [[Joseph and Mary]] raising up [[Jesus]], and if you look in the [[Old Testament]] about the [[responsibilities]] [[families]] had for raising their kids, it appears that the [[Melchizedeks]] were in favor of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_school home schooling] and [[parents]] felt [[responsible]] for educating their [[children]] in a much greater [[degree]] than we are raised, than [[parents]] today are expected to raise their children. We take them to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_schools public schools] for a certain type of [[education]], then we take them to [[church]] for another type of education. We are really not [[responsible]] for our children. I am [[wondering]] if this [[perception]] is true, and if we look through the [[history]] and could actually see what [[Melchizedek]] taught, would we see [[society]] structured around [[families]] where [[parents]] are teaching their own children to a much greater [[degree]].

Iruka: Much of history is like that yes. It is part of the whole [[cultural]] overtones. This culture saw an [[opportunity]] and a need to educate children and so began [[school]]. That it was more [[efficient]] to send children to a central place where they could be taught and then at the end of the [[education]], all be at the same level. So this is how this [[society]] [[answered]] the [[problem]] of educating its young. Back when there were no cars, trains, buses, you could not send a child out to a distant building. If the [[culture]] was [[nomadic]], that was impossible. And even if it wasn't, the culture kept the children at [[home]]. That was part of the [[belief]] system. So it is that this [[culture]] has more [[tools]] and there is more centralization. Is this what you are asking?

Iruka: Much of history is like that yes. It is part of the whole [[cultural]] overtones. This culture saw an [[opportunity]] and a need to educate children and so began [[school]]. That it was more [[efficient]] to send children to a central place where they could be taught and then at the end of the [[education]], all be at the same level. So this is how this [[society]] [[answered]] the [[problem]] of educating its young. Back when there were no cars, trains, buses, you could not send a child out to a distant building. If the [[culture]] was [[nomadic]], that was impossible. And even if it wasn't, the culture kept the children at [[home]]. That was part of the [[belief]] system. So it is that this [[culture]] has more [[tools]] and there is more centralization. Is this what you are asking?

S2: You are saying that this [[point]] that I was raising is not due to necessarily to [[Melchizedek]] teachings but to [[tools]] that are available to our [[society]]. So that you are saying we can still find [[value]] in the current [[educational]] system and perhaps mix it with more [[parent]] and child teaching [[responsibilities]] or [[expectations]].

S2: You are saying that this [[point]] that I was raising is not due to necessarily to [[Melchizedek]] teachings but to [[tools]] that are available to our [[society]]. So that you are saying we can still find [[value]] in the current [[educational]] system and perhaps mix it with more [[parent]] and child teaching [[responsibilities]] or [[expectations]].

Iruka: There is a lot more to it than that. When [[schools]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_schools public schools] were created, most people had the same [[belief]] system. Most people [[agreed]] on what was important, today that is not true and that is why there is so much disparity between the two. It has created [[problems]] while it was trying to solve problems. Are you trying to [[compare]] schools of old in the [[home]] with..are you trying to figure out the best thing for your [[children]]. Is that what the focus of this questions is?

Iruka: There is a lot more to it than that. When [[schools]], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_schools public schools] were created, most people had the same [[belief]] system. Most people [[agreed]] on what was important, today that is not true and that is why there is so much disparity between the two. It has created [[problems]] while it was trying to solve problems. Are you trying to [[compare]] schools of old in the [[home]] with..are you trying to figure out the best thing for your [[children]]. Is that what the focus of this questions is?

S1: I can't [[change]] things right now for my [[children]], but in terms of what kind of world I want to contribute to help building, there is some [[focus]] on [[children]] that needs to be emphasized in the [[future]]. I feel that everyone [[understands]] that and on the [[Internet]] there is this lady who was not taking her kids to [[church]], she was taking them out the beach on Sundays, and they were running around in the water and doing these [[mystical]] rhythmic [[dances]] in the water. She was back at [[home]] categorizing various levels of spiritual [[attainment]] using words out of the [[Urantia Book]] and some other [[books]]. My reaction to that was [[negative]], my reaction was...it didn't have any [[community]] associated with it. She was asking for [[responses]] back on the [[Internet]] to her query and I couldn't come up with anything that was constructive, that was [[positive]]. So I am [[silent]] and I feel a need to respond to her, but I just can't find...I can feel an urge to [[respond]] to her but I just can't find the [[words]]. I just don't know what to say, that is what I am searching for.

S1: I can't [[change]] things right now for my [[children]], but in terms of what kind of world I want to contribute to help building, there is some [[focus]] on [[children]] that needs to be emphasized in the [[future]]. I feel that everyone [[understands]] that and on the [[Internet]] there is this lady who was not taking her kids to [[church]], she was taking them out the beach on Sundays, and they were running around in the water and doing these [[mystical]] rhythmic [[dances]] in the water. She was back at [[home]] categorizing various levels of spiritual [[attainment]] using words out of the [[Urantia Book]] and some other [[books]]. My reaction to that was [[negative]], my reaction was...it didn't have any [[community]] associated with it. She was asking for [[responses]] back on the [[Internet]] to her query and I couldn't come up with anything that was constructive, that was [[positive]]. So I am [[silent]] and I feel a need to respond to her, but I just can't find...I can feel an urge to [[respond]] to her but I just can't find the [[words]]. I just don't know what to say, that is what I am searching for.

Iruka: I am sensing from your [[words]] that this is something you do not [[agree]] with, is that true?

Iruka: I am sensing from your [[words]] that this is something you do not [[agree]] with, is that true?

S1: I was raised in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California California] with a very [[different]] personalized upbringing. I have gone to [[college]] with many kids that were raised with [[parents]] taking them to the beach like that on Sundays. Their ability to [[function]] in [[society]] as we know it is....I don't know if it is good or bad. I really don't know if it is good or bad.

S1: I was raised in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California California] with a very [[different]] personalized upbringing. I have gone to [[college]] with many kids that were raised with [[parents]] taking them to the beach like that on Sundays. Their ability to [[function]] in [[society]] as we know it is....I don't know if it is good or bad. I really don't know if it is good or bad.

Iruka: Then maybe just [[realizing]] that, that is something you would not [[choose]] to do, but acknowledging that it may be (lost when the tape ran out ) . .. can you see that you don't know if she is right or wrong? So you have to allow her, her own [[decision]] of [[freedom]]?

Iruka: Then maybe just [[realizing]] that, that is something you would not [[choose]] to do, but acknowledging that it may be (lost when the tape ran out ) . .. can you see that you don't know if she is right or wrong? So you have to allow her, her own [[decision]] of [[freedom]]?