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===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

Tommas: The [[insight]] that I had of my guide, that I mentioned last time, I [[presume]] that he was around at the time of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt early Egyptians], and at some [[stage]] had something to do with [[machinery]], but the red and black weaving, I'm not too sure, I didn’t know whether it was maybe [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoris Maoris] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_%28Americas%29 /Red Indian], I wondered if you could [[explain]] for me.

Tommas: The [[insight]] that I had of my guide, that I mentioned last time, I [[presume]] that he was around at the time of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt early Egyptians], and at some [[stage]] had something to do with [[machinery]], but the red and black weaving, I'm not too sure, I didn’t know whether it was maybe [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoris Maoris] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_%28Americas%29 /Red Indian], I wondered if you could [[explain]] for me.

Teacher: It has no significance of importance. This is [[clear]] for you

Teacher: It has no significance of importance. This is [[clear]] for you

"No, no. I was just told the 6th planet.

"No, no. I was just told the 6th planet.

Perhaps [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter Jupiter]

Perhaps [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter Jupiter]

Teacher: Perhaps not.

Teacher: Perhaps not.

Perhaps . ...name your planets

Perhaps . ...name your planets

you have [[Earth]], you have the [[Sun]], you have the [[moon]], you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury Mercury], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus Venus], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars Mars], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter Jupiter], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune Neptune], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranus Uranus], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto Pluto], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2063_Bacchus Bacchus]

you have [[Earth]], you have the [[Sun]], you have the [[moon]], you have [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury Mercury], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus Venus], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars Mars], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter Jupiter], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune Neptune], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranus Uranus], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto Pluto], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2063_Bacchus Bacchus]

and others.

and others.

And I miss [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn Saturn].

And I miss [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn Saturn].

You should ask of your [[guidance]] to give you from which [[planet]] it is numbered,

You should ask of your [[guidance]] to give you from which [[planet]] it is numbered,

No, I shall not give more [[information]]. There are more [[queries]]?

No, I shall not give more [[information]]. There are more [[queries]]?

===='''''[[Scripture]]'''''====

===='''''[[Scripture]]'''''====

Melda I've been studying [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_Revelation Revelations] and [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_Genesis Genesis], and in Genesis, it gives the 12 [[names]] of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob Jacob]s' sons. I understood they were the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites 12 tribes of Israel], and in Revelations when they talk about the sealing of the tribes, they miss out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_(Bible) Dan] who was one of Jacobs's sons and instead they put in, I'm not quite sure how you say his name, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_(tribal_patriarch) Manasseh], and he is actually Jacob's grandson, he was one of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph Joseph]'s sons, why was Dan missed out, why was the tribe of Dan missed out

Melda I've been studying [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_Revelation Revelations] and [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_Genesis Genesis], and in Genesis, it gives the 12 [[names]] of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob Jacob]s' sons. I understood they were the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites 12 tribes of Israel], and in Revelations when they talk about the sealing of the tribes, they miss out [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_(Bible) Dan] who was one of Jacobs's sons and instead they put in, I'm not quite sure how you say his name, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_(tribal_patriarch) Manasseh], and he is actually Jacob's grandson, he was one of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph Joseph]'s sons, why was Dan missed out, why was the tribe of Dan missed out

Teacher: One moment.

Teacher: One moment.

Teacher: I have said, correct,

Teacher: I have said, correct,

===='''''[[Guardian Angels]]'''''====

===='''''[[Guardian Angels]]'''''====

"And I have been reading about [[Angels]]. The bible only seems to mention, 2, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29 Michael] & [[Gabriel]]

"And I have been reading about [[Angels]]. The bible only seems to mention, 2, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29 Michael] & [[Gabriel]]

Teacher: They were chief, they are chief.

Teacher: They were chief, they are chief.

"and Charlemont lent me a [[book]] that mentions 5 others, and their [[names]], they all seem to end with a similar [[sound]], is this important, angels are, it's something to do with their certain [[vibrations]], the sound of their name.

"and Charlemont lent me a [[book]] that mentions 5 others, and their [[names]], they all seem to end with a similar [[sound]], is this important, angels are, it's something to do with their certain [[vibrations]], the sound of their name.

([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriel Uriel], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_(archangel) Raphael], Michael, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraqael Saraqael], [[Gabriel]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remiel Remiel], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raguel_(archangel) Raguel])

([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriel Uriel], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_(archangel) Raphael], Michael, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraqael Saraqael], [[Gabriel]], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remiel Remiel], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raguel_(archangel) Raguel])

Teacher: Not correct.

Teacher: Not correct.

Teacher: Correct.

Teacher: Correct.

Tommas: I had a couple of [[experiences]] at [[work]], one girl mentioned that she went to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot Tarot] card readings and she said she didn’t like the readings she got, so she asked if she could do it again and got virtually the same cards and the same reading, then she suddenly said to me, "I want to know what happens to your [[soul]] when you die", so I told her, and just [[explained]] briefly how I knew, and about our [[meetings]], and it's given her something to [[think]] about. Then there was another girl was telling me of a friend of hers who phoned a [[medium]], and had a reading done, she said, "I don't [[believe]] in any of that, I think you just live & die, and when you die that's the end of it", and I couldn’t help smiling and I said, "Then you are in for a bit of a [[surprise]]" she asked why, and once again I very briefly told her about the [[meetings]] and I just left her to think about it. That's two people in one week, which was quite strange.

Tommas: I had a couple of [[experiences]] at [[work]], one girl mentioned that she went to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot Tarot] card readings and she said she didn’t like the readings she got, so she asked if she could do it again and got virtually the same cards and the same reading, then she suddenly said to me, "I want to know what happens to your [[soul]] when you die", so I told her, and just [[explained]] briefly how I knew, and about our [[meetings]], and it's given her something to [[think]] about. Then there was another girl was telling me of a friend of hers who phoned a [[medium]], and had a reading done, she said, "I don't [[believe]] in any of that, I think you just live & die, and when you die that's the end of it", and I couldn’t help smiling and I said, "Then you are in for a bit of a [[surprise]]" she asked why, and once again I very briefly told her about the [[meetings]] and I just left her to think about it. That's two people in one week, which was quite strange.

Teacher: Yes, I t is enough.

Teacher: Yes, I t is enough.

Teacher: What is it you [[imagine]]?

Teacher: What is it you [[imagine]]?

" I don't know whether I am here to learn to live with [[frustrations]] or how to not be [[angry]] or how to be of great, [[calm]], I always get the [[feeling]] I would like to be like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa Mother Teresa].

" I don't know whether I am here to learn to live with [[frustrations]] or how to not be [[angry]] or how to be of great, [[calm]], I always get the [[feeling]] I would like to be like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa Mother Teresa].

Selina Loving others?

Selina Loving others?

Filip Yes. That would be [[magic]], to be like a [[Guru]], not to have to worry about earning a living, doing everything for everybody, not having to worry about the mundane things This is why I've been interested in [http://www.vsa.org.nz/ Volunteer Service Abroad], that's a thing that's always [[attracted]] me, to be able to go and help somebody.

Filip Yes. That would be [[magic]], to be like a [[Guru]], not to have to worry about earning a living, doing everything for everybody, not having to worry about the mundane things This is why I've been interested in [https://www.vsa.org.nz/ Volunteer Service Abroad], that's a thing that's always [[attracted]] me, to be able to go and help somebody.

Selina Just to be able to [[love]] everybody.

Selina Just to be able to [[love]] everybody.

Selina Well she [[shares]] what the other have, she doesn’t live any better than those around her.

Selina Well she [[shares]] what the other have, she doesn’t live any better than those around her.

I don't want to [[love]] the world, if I could just love the those around me, I mean I've talked about how I [[struggle]] with my [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_in_law mother-in-law], l find it very [[difficult]] to [[love]] her, and I've had three or four [[visits]] over the last few weeks, and the visits now are better than they were a year ago, but I still go, I suppose I'm a bit scared each time of the [[reception]] I will get, so I go a little bit [[anxious]], yes, and I try to be careful about the subjects I bring up, sometimes I don't [[speak]], I just let her talk all night, that way if I don't speak I can't say anything to upset her, but we've had three visits now that have been quite [[good]], now a year ago I couldn’t have said that, so are we coming to [[love]] each other, we are certainly more [[tolerant]] of each other.

I don't want to [[love]] the world, if I could just love the those around me, I mean I've talked about how I [[struggle]] with my [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_in_law mother-in-law], l find it very [[difficult]] to [[love]] her, and I've had three or four [[visits]] over the last few weeks, and the visits now are better than they were a year ago, but I still go, I suppose I'm a bit scared each time of the [[reception]] I will get, so I go a little bit [[anxious]], yes, and I try to be careful about the subjects I bring up, sometimes I don't [[speak]], I just let her talk all night, that way if I don't speak I can't say anything to upset her, but we've had three visits now that have been quite [[good]], now a year ago I couldn’t have said that, so are we coming to [[love]] each other, we are certainly more [[tolerant]] of each other.

Filip A year ago you weren’t involved in these lessons were you, you had not become aware of your [[self]] or the [[love]] for other people.

Filip A year ago you weren’t involved in these lessons were you, you had not become aware of your [[self]] or the [[love]] for other people.

Charlemont the chamber of [[chaos]].

Charlemont the chamber of [[chaos]].

Selina Not a very good [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting scout] leader

Selina Not a very good [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting scout] leader

Charlemont No, but Ruby stopped and was looking up the right way.

Charlemont No, but Ruby stopped and was looking up the right way.

Charlemont You start to [[touch]] your own hang ups, Now my hang; up for instance if I may say it, is [[academia]], always has been, so I [[think]] you have to be [[intelligent]] to [[understand]] this, and I'm slowly realizing you don't have to be intelligent, otherwise I wouldn’t be here, and then others around here have got their own hang ups, like Wilma's is, she's having trouble loving herself, I don't have much trouble loving myself, I used to, now I know I'm fantastic I'm alright, it's [[understanding]], so if everyone admitted to themselves their little bits of hang ups perhaps that's the first step.

Charlemont You start to [[touch]] your own hang ups, Now my hang; up for instance if I may say it, is [[academia]], always has been, so I [[think]] you have to be [[intelligent]] to [[understand]] this, and I'm slowly realizing you don't have to be intelligent, otherwise I wouldn’t be here, and then others around here have got their own hang ups, like Wilma's is, she's having trouble loving herself, I don't have much trouble loving myself, I used to, now I know I'm fantastic I'm alright, it's [[understanding]], so if everyone admitted to themselves their little bits of hang ups perhaps that's the first step.

Selina Well my hang up's easy. I don't like myself because I don't like being [[fat]]. I am overweight. That comes back to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_discipline will power], I have no will power. When it comes to [[food]], I’ll just, pig; out on cakes, or biscuits or all the goodies in life, arid I don't like myself because I don't have any will power, because I don't have any will power, I am overweight,

Selina Well my hang up's easy. I don't like myself because I don't like being [[fat]]. I am overweight. That comes back to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_discipline will power], I have no will power. When it comes to [[food]], I’ll just, pig; out on cakes, or biscuits or all the goodies in life, arid I don't like myself because I don't have any will power, because I don't have any will power, I am overweight,

Charlemont Do you like other [[fat]] people?

Charlemont Do you like other [[fat]] people?

Tommas: That was "of them"

Tommas: That was "of them"

Filip. But you are of a similar [[nature]] to your guide, that's what I was just [[wondering]], you see because my biggest question is, my guide is called Michael, now is that the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29 archangel Michael], or is it another Michael

Filip. But you are of a similar [[nature]] to your guide, that's what I was just [[wondering]], you see because my biggest question is, my guide is called Michael, now is that the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29 archangel Michael], or is it another Michael

Teacher: You wish your answer

Teacher: You wish your answer

Charlemont You mentioned something to me on the weekend about your previous [[teachings]], some query I can’t [[remember]] what it was, but I remember [[thinking]] you should perhaps bring it up here.

Charlemont You mentioned something to me on the weekend about your previous [[teachings]], some query I can’t [[remember]] what it was, but I remember [[thinking]] you should perhaps bring it up here.

Belinda What, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar Eckankar]?

Belinda What, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar Eckankar]?

Charlemont Yes, that seems to be something you are still unsure of where that fits within you.

Charlemont Yes, that seems to be something you are still unsure of where that fits within you.

Teacher: You [[wish]] to [[discuss]] this?

Teacher: You [[wish]] to [[discuss]] this?

===='''''[[Violence]]'''''====

===='''''[[Violence]]'''''====

" There are some [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_television documentary television programmes] that we see, sometimes on the news showing people that are [[suffering]], living in places like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_world 3rd world countries], and in [[fact]] I can't really watch these programmes, and I get so [[emotional]] when I see their [[suffering]], through [[starvation]],,, then people that are rioting, the [[police]] are usually the ones that are giving out the [[violence]] the beatings to the offenders, and l can't watch that either, is it anything to do with [[karma]], or is it just my [[nature]]

" There are some [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_television documentary television programmes] that we see, sometimes on the news showing people that are [[suffering]], living in places like the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_world 3rd world countries], and in [[fact]] I can't really watch these programmes, and I get so [[emotional]] when I see their [[suffering]], through [[starvation]],,, then people that are rioting, the [[police]] are usually the ones that are giving out the [[violence]] the beatings to the offenders, and l can't watch that either, is it anything to do with [[karma]], or is it just my [[nature]]

Teacher: You are not alone in these sentiments.

Teacher: You are not alone in these sentiments.

Belinda Otherwise you can be just as harmful.

Belinda Otherwise you can be just as harmful.

Charlemont Yes, my Father was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_violence non-violent], but he was just as [[violent]] in another way. Most of us in the room are [[sensitive]] people and we would feel the same way as you.

Charlemont Yes, my Father was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_violence non-violent], but he was just as [[violent]] in another way. Most of us in the room are [[sensitive]] people and we would feel the same way as you.

Teacher: I have said, [[discuss]] this no more. Cleanse your [[soul]] [[memory]]. You shall not require detail. You shall not be given detail. Your comment Charlemont is adequate. You are more of [[comfort]], Belinda?

Teacher: I have said, [[discuss]] this no more. Cleanse your [[soul]] [[memory]]. You shall not require detail. You shall not be given detail. Your comment Charlemont is adequate. You are more of [[comfort]], Belinda?

Teacher: You have also query concerning our teachings?

Teacher: You have also query concerning our teachings?

Filip [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar Eckankar].

Filip [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar Eckankar].

BelindaI still cannot [[understand]] how not many people have heard of it, in [[fact]] I don't think anybody in this room has heard of it, and when I asked you, you hadn’t heard of it either. I was told that [[Jesus]] [[Christ]] himself was taken away at the age of 12 and given these teachings. Apparently it is a very ancient teaching and that all other [[religions]] stem from it. And that's why, most of my [[queries]] when I was talking about levels, through the astral level & so on and I spoke about the etheric level as well, and at that particular time I didn’t really [[phrase]] my question very well, what I really wanted to ask was, I didn’t want to ask what [[experiences]] we had on that level, I wanted to know what came through to the [[physical]] plane from that level, from the astral level I think you get

BelindaI still cannot [[understand]] how not many people have heard of it, in [[fact]] I don't think anybody in this room has heard of it, and when I asked you, you hadn’t heard of it either. I was told that [[Jesus]] [[Christ]] himself was taken away at the age of 12 and given these teachings. Apparently it is a very ancient teaching and that all other [[religions]] stem from it. And that's why, most of my [[queries]] when I was talking about levels, through the astral level & so on and I spoke about the etheric level as well, and at that particular time I didn’t really [[phrase]] my question very well, what I really wanted to ask was, I didn’t want to ask what [[experiences]] we had on that level, I wanted to know what came through to the [[physical]] plane from that level, from the astral level I think you get

The etheric is a higher [[vibration]] of the astral level bringing similar.

The etheric is a higher [[vibration]] of the astral level bringing similar.

Belinda Thank you. I will now put aside my [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar Eckankar] teachings and [[concentrate]] on yours.

Belinda Thank you. I will now put aside my [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar Eckankar] teachings and [[concentrate]] on yours.

Teacher: If this is your [[desire]].

Teacher: If this is your [[desire]].