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[This Transcript contains the narrative accounts of David and Eric, beginning T/R’s, of their trials in learning to trust a teacher connection and how to deal with the anxieties associated with transmitting a teacher.

 

This Transcript also contains fragmentary discussions from the teachers themselves. - Editor]

 

 

[This Transcript contains the narrative accounts of David and Eric, beginning T/R’s, of their trials in learning to trust a teacher connection and how to deal with the anxieties associated with transmitting a teacher. This Transcript also contains fragmentary discussions from the teachers themselves. -

 

 

DAVID: I am reporting to you because I was requested to. This is something that started Monday morning after the meeting last Sunday night when Will said, through Eric, that there were two more in the group who were capable of receiving communication. I went home and said, "Well, okay, you know, God, if it is me, let's do it; if not, let's get on with something else."

DAVID: I am reporting to you because I was requested to. This is something that started Monday morning after the meeting last Sunday night when Will said, through Eric, that there were two more in the group who were capable of receiving communication. I went home and said, "Well, okay, you know, God, if it is me, let's do it; if not, let's get on with something else."

I also asked, "How did you do that to the television?" They said, "We are not permitted to interfere with material communications. That was mere happenstance." I also asked, "Why is this suddenly now possible?" The answer was, "Your heartfelt declarations of readiness to do the Father's will, wherever it led, and your asking to do this if it is possible, helped to clear the final hurdles." It ended like it always has since, with them saying, "We will stop for now. We know you have to get ready for work. Farewell." They always say goodbye when they stop.

I also asked, "How did you do that to the television?" They said, "We are not permitted to interfere with material communications. That was mere happenstance." I also asked, "Why is this suddenly now possible?" The answer was, "Your heartfelt declarations of readiness to do the Father's will, wherever it led, and your asking to do this if it is possible, helped to clear the final hurdles." It ended like it always has since, with them saying, "We will stop for now. We know you have to get ready for work. Farewell." They always say goodbye when they stop.

I got ready for work and had breakfast with Melissa, telling her about my experience and generally just trying to stay calm. After I got in my UPS truck and left the center, they started talking again. As I was going up the "on""ramp to the interstate, they started. I said, "Don't tell me you are going to try to do this, in this noise and visual distraction." I could hardly hear myself think, much less be able to be attentive to thoughts that I consciously had to listen for. It was difficult at first, but after a few minutes, all the sensory input around me faded into the background, and I was able to follow what they were saying with ease.

I got ready for work and had breakfast with Melissa, telling her about my experience and generally just trying to stay calm. After I got in my UPS truck and left the center, they started talking again. As I was going up the "on""ramp to the interstate, they started. I said, "Don't tell me you are going to try to do this, in this noise and visual distraction." I could hardly hear myself think, much less be able to be attentive to thoughts that I consciously had to listen for. It was difficult at first, but after a few minutes, all the sensory input around me faded into the background, and I was able to follow what they were saying with ease.

They talked for the solid hour it takes me to drive to Madison and, I swear, it seemed like ten minutes. I was concentrating so on listening to them that I do not remember the drive at all. I can recall only a couple of things they said. There was a lesson on beauty and goodness and the relationship between them. I remember the specific statement at the beginning: "When mortals think of beauty, they think of a sunset, a mountain, or the face of someone who meets a particular set of specifications that define what is generally accepted as beauty. In the spiritual realm, the concept of beauty is not confined to the appreciation of physical shapes or the combination of colors or sounds. It is also the observable result of goodness which is of behavior. More crudely put, beauty can be the aroma or atmosphere created by the actions of goodness."

They talked for the solid hour it takes me to drive to Madison and, I swear, it seemed like ten minutes. I was concentrating so on listening to them that I do not remember the drive at all. I can recall only a couple of things they said. There was a lesson on beauty and goodness and the relationship between them. I remember the specific statement at the beginning: "When mortals think of beauty, they think of a sunset, a mountain, or the face of someone who meets a particular set of specifications that define what is generally accepted as beauty. In the spiritual realm, the concept of beauty is not confined to the appreciation of physical shapes or the combination of colors or sounds. It is also the observable result of goodness which is of behavior. More crudely put, beauty can be the aroma or atmosphere created by the actions of goodness."

They said much more about this subject, but that is all I can remember. I have since looked up beauty in the Concordex and can find nothing in the Urantia Book that described beauty in these terms. It is a totally new concept to me. There is one other statement from that morning that I can remember clearly: "Even a wrong moral choice has positive value if it is later acknowledged as such and rejected." The rest of the presentation is lost to me. I can recall so little of what was said early in the week because I did not start writing things down until Wednesday, after Melissa suggested that I get a notebook and start doing so. Before that I was so astonished and so intent on receiving the teachings, that I had not even thought of it. Coming home from Madison that night, I felt like there was an attempt to communicate, but I was so tired that I was unable to concentrate well enough to receive anything.

They said much more about this subject, but that is all I can remember. I have since looked up beauty in the Concordex and can find nothing in the Urantia Book that described beauty in these terms. It is a totally new concept to me. There is one other statement from that morning that I can remember clearly: "Even a wrong moral choice has positive value if it is later acknowledged as such and rejected." The rest of the presentation is lost to me. I can recall so little of what was said early in the week because I did not start writing things down until Wednesday, after Melissa suggested that I get a notebook and start doing so. Before that I was so astonished and so intent on receiving the teachings, that I had not even thought of it. Coming home from Madison that night, I felt like there was an attempt to communicate, but I was so tired that I was unable to concentrate well enough to receive anything.

QUESTION: Is what David experienced this morning legitimate? Were you talking to him?

QUESTION: Is what David experienced this morning legitimate? Were you talking to him?

 

WILL: David is one of those talked about last evening. He does possess that ability. What he experienced this morning was certainly the same type of communication that you are experiencing now. His teacher, however, is someone else. We felt for his mind, he needed someone of a different nature to help him as he journeys through his life. Any communication he gets in the future will come through a teacher long ago known to you all. The is one of the teacher sons of your world, Melchizedek. Your husband has special needs you do not and so requires a different teacher. He will in time be able to communicate freely with the teacher son as he learns the lessons he must learn.

WILL: David is one of those talked about last evening. He does possess that ability. What he experienced this morning was certainly the same type of communication that you are experiencing now. His teacher, however, is someone else. We felt for his mind, he needed someone of a different nature to help him as he journeys through his life. Any communication he gets in the future will come through a teacher long ago known to you all. The is one of the teacher sons of your world, Melchizedek. Your husband has special needs you do not and so requires a different teacher. He will in time be able to communicate freely with the teacher son as he learns the lessons he must learn.

On Thursday afternoon, Will criticized me for breaking off contact without observing any formalities of manners, for example, losing attention or concentration while I was driving. She asked if I wish to stop the contacts. I replied, "No", and in a spontaneous message, Will later said, "If your own words and thoughts are sufficient to answer a question, there is no reason not to use them. We are not in the business of fostering dependence upon our words or terminology. The goal is for you to think with God-like mind. If you can do this, there is not essential difference between you thinking the thought, or another." "There are always additional dimensions to explore in any answer." So, on Thursday night, when I found that the name that I had quoted to David was incorrect, I began to experience this cascade of doubt.  

On Thursday afternoon, Will criticized me for breaking off contact without observing any formalities of manners, for example, losing attention or concentration while I was driving. She asked if I wish to stop the contacts. I replied, "No", and in a spontaneous message, Will later said, "If your own words and thoughts are sufficient to answer a question, there is no reason not to use them. We are not in the business of fostering dependence upon our words or terminology. The goal is for you to think with God-like mind. If you can do this, there is not essential difference between you thinking the thought, or another." "There are always additional dimensions to explore in any answer." So, on Thursday night, when I found that the name that I had quoted to David was incorrect, I began to experience this cascade of doubt.  

I came to the conclusion, with a number of things all rushing on me at once, that I was "presenting my own unguided thoughts and falsely attributing them as the guidance of another, higher spiritual teacher." So I stayed up Thursday night writing this letter composing it, took it to David on Friday morning at the crack of dawn. He read it. I suppose the only solace was that David felt worse than I did. But we discussed it all, and we came to the conclusion that if we are going to do this, we cannot be held personally responsible for the message. There is just no way for us to personally vouch for the accuracy of everything in this. I felt much better.

I came to the conclusion, with a number of things all rushing on me at once, that I was "presenting my own unguided thoughts and falsely attributing them as the guidance of another, higher spiritual teacher." So I stayed up Thursday night writing this letter composing it, took it to David on Friday morning at the crack of dawn. He read it. I suppose the only solace was that David felt worse than I did. But we discussed it all, and we came to the conclusion that if we are going to do this, we cannot be held personally responsible for the message. There is just no way for us to personally vouch for the accuracy of everything in this. I felt much better.

I did not know whether David felt better or not, the but as I left, I wrote a couple of questions on my notepad on the pickup seat. My first question was a great lawyer question. I said, "What parts of our last-Sunday group meeting answers did I properly convey?" I thought this was pretty tricky because it would shift the burden onto Will to point out exactly the things that were accurately conveyed. But after thinking about it for a while, I wrote an additional question on my pad. This is hard to read because my writing is all over the page. "What explanation is there for the existence of error in the transmission of these contact products? And, how can we root out error and stay on the true path?" In response to these questions, later Friday morning, December 6th, I got this material. I will read only the part that David has not previously covered. [transcript of Dec. 6 then read]

I did not know whether David felt better or not, the but as I left, I wrote a couple of questions on my notepad on the pickup seat. My first question was a great lawyer question. I said, "What parts of our last-Sunday group meeting answers did I properly convey?" I thought this was pretty tricky because it would shift the burden onto Will to point out exactly the things that were accurately conveyed. But after thinking about it for a while, I wrote an additional question on my pad. This is hard to read because my writing is all over the page. "What explanation is there for the existence of error in the transmission of these contact products? And, how can we root out error and stay on the true path?" In response to these questions, later Friday morning, December 6th, I got this material. I will read only the part that David has not previously covered. [transcript of Dec. 6 then read]

So many of you have the need to know the future and it will not be so for you. We cannot deliver you from that situation, but we can provide you with the road map to allow you the assurance of knowing that your path is paved with guidance and the companionship of those here and those whom you will meet in the future.

So many of you have the need to know the future and it will not be so for you. We cannot deliver you from that situation, but we can provide you with the road map to allow you the assurance of knowing that your path is paved with guidance and the companionship of those here and those whom you will meet in the future.

 

Love each other. Call upon each other just as you have over these past days whenever you struggle with ideas. I have sensed within the group the camaraderie that is forming. That has never been before and this is good. Continue this path. Continue to pray daily and seek His guidance. Rely upon Him in all things. Seek only His will in your lives. Seek to suppress the human ego whenever possible, so that His love and His will more actively flow through you. It pleases Him that you have come together so dedicated to do His will. Our Father's light shines the brightest when the vessels are open to His leading. I urge you all to be the best receptacle that you can be for His teachings. For in doing so, you stand the greatest chance of receiving His love and passing it on to those around you. For tonight we will end because many of you have much to discuss. I will bid you farewell. My peace I leave with you.

Love each other. Call upon each other just as you have over these past days whenever you struggle with ideas. I have sensed within the group the camaraderie that is forming. That has never been before and this is good. Continue this path. Continue to pray daily and seek His guidance. Rely upon Him in all things. Seek only His will in your lives. Seek to suppress the human ego whenever possible, so that His love and His will more actively flow through you. It pleases Him that you have come together so dedicated to do His will. Our Father's light shines the brightest when the vessels are open to His leading. I urge you all to be the best receptacle that you can be for His teachings. For in doing so, you stand the greatest chance of receiving His love and passing it on to those around you. For tonight we will end because many of you have much to discuss. I will bid you farewell. My peace I leave with you.

Shalom.

Shalom.

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