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==Heading==
===Topic: ''On Praying & Prayer''===
===Group: [[Indianapolis TeaM]]===
==Facilitators==
===Teacher: [[Welmek]]===
===TR: [[Unknown]]===
==Session==
===Opening===
Hello everybody. This is Welmek. I decided to change my introduction and take your advice to loosen up a little. (group laughter) Once again, much has happened during this past week. There have been many new teachers arrive, and they are in training now. Several have gathered here with us tonight to observe, to learn from you and to hopefully receive assignments before long. I wish to take a moment for each of us to receive the spirit and to say a prayer. I will lead you in this prayer.
Hello everybody. This is Welmek. I decided to change my introduction and take your advice to loosen up a little. (group laughter) Once again, much has happened during this past week. There have been many new teachers arrive, and they are in training now. Several have gathered here with us tonight to observe, to learn from you and to hopefully receive assignments before long. I wish to take a moment for each of us to receive the spirit and to say a prayer. I will lead you in this prayer.
I believe this is one good technique that will accomplish this goal. Having said that, last Saturday Steve and I had a conversation. Within that conversation, the idea of prayer was discussed. I now wish to turn this meeting over to Steve, for he will present to you a few of the ideas that we discussed, after which we will open the concept to the floor and begin there.
I believe this is one good technique that will accomplish this goal. Having said that, last Saturday Steve and I had a conversation. Within that conversation, the idea of prayer was discussed. I now wish to turn this meeting over to Steve, for he will present to you a few of the ideas that we discussed, after which we will open the concept to the floor and begin there.
===Dialogue===
STEVE: Thank you. When I talked to Welmek on Saturday, I had told him that I thought that when I did pray that it was just saying the words, that there was no feeling there. And as I thought about it over the weekend, I came to the conclusion that I was trying too hard, that it was kind of an all-purpose prayer for everyone I could think of. The ideas that Welmek gave me seem to help, because I've tried them over the weekend and this week, and they seem to work. He suggested that when we pray that we only think of one person or situation at a time for that particular session of our prayer. He mentioned that if we could, we should picture that individual. We should let the feeling of love within us fill us and then think of that individual and what we wish to accomplish for that individual. He also suggested that as we do that that we be as sincere as we possibly can, (I'm reading verbatim here) be specific in your request, be honest in your attempts and as I said, be sincere of heart and of motivation. And if we do this we are again "effective in setting forth a petition that must be answered".
STEVE: Thank you. When I talked to Welmek on Saturday, I had told him that I thought that when I did pray that it was just saying the words, that there was no feeling there. And as I thought about it over the weekend, I came to the conclusion that I was trying too hard, that it was kind of an all-purpose prayer for everyone I could think of. The ideas that Welmek gave me seem to help, because I've tried them over the weekend and this week, and they seem to work. He suggested that when we pray that we only think of one person or situation at a time for that particular session of our prayer. He mentioned that if we could, we should picture that individual. We should let the feeling of love within us fill us and then think of that individual and what we wish to accomplish for that individual. He also suggested that as we do that that we be as sincere as we possibly can, (I'm reading verbatim here) be specific in your request, be honest in your attempts and as I said, be sincere of heart and of motivation. And if we do this we are again "effective in setting forth a petition that must be answered".
or inadequate, I should say, about how to pray effectively.
or inadequate, I should say, about how to pray effectively.
Let us do this. Next week you will receive your written transcript. I
Let us do this. Next week you will receive your written transcript. I
we will then entertain questions of clarification.
we will then entertain questions of clarification.
Q. Welmek, going back to your planet again, you fused at 372 years. Do
Q. Welmek, going back to your planet again, you fused at 372 years. Do
people on your planet..did they die or did they all come to fusion?
people on your planet..did they die or did they all come to fusion?
A. Both. Not everyone fuses.
A. Both. Not everyone fuses.
Q. What was the life span of your planet, the average?
Q. What was the life span of your planet, the average?
A. I am trying to decide if I want to answer this question. (laughter)
A. I am trying to decide if I want to answer this question. (laughter)
laughter)
laughter)
Q. We're curious creatures. We like to know a lot about you.
Q. We're curious creatures. We like to know a lot about you.
A. I understand, but you do not understand the restrictions that I am
A. I understand, but you do not understand the restrictions that I am
from these situations.
from these situations.
I am eager for you to know much, but yet I am restricted. It is a
I am eager for you to know much, but yet I am restricted. It is a
difficult situation at best.
difficult situation at best.
Q. Then in our courts, I'll withdraw the question. I do not wish to
Q. Then in our courts, I'll withdraw the question. I do not wish to
get you in default.
get you in default.
A. In order to remain consistent, however, at least with my crossing
A. In order to remain consistent, however, at least with my crossing
life span on my planet is 458 years.
life span on my planet is 458 years.
Q. Why don't they want us to know about specifics?
Q. Why don't they want us to know about specifics?
A. What do you perceive our mission is?
A. What do you perceive our mission is?
Q. To teach us to grow spiritually. But how is knowing specifics about
Q. To teach us to grow spiritually. But how is knowing specifics about
a planet like yours going to inhibit that?
a planet like yours going to inhibit that?
A. It is not so much that it will inhibit it, as it does not add
A. It is not so much that it will inhibit it, as it does not add
this not so?
this not so?
Q. That's true, but on the other hand, sometimes when you satisfy a
Q. That's true, but on the other hand, sometimes when you satisfy a
on.
on.
A. You must allow me to make that assessment. There are times when I
A. You must allow me to make that assessment. There are times when I
mission is. Try to be understanding and patient.
mission is. Try to be understanding and patient.
Q. Welmek, a lot of us think of you as an intellect. And in a
Q. Welmek, a lot of us think of you as an intellect. And in a
when you say those things.
when you say those things.
A. And it is for this reason that I give you this information. But you
A. And it is for this reason that I give you this information. But you
these restrictions are imposed.
these restrictions are imposed.
Q. Well, I want to know other than the fact that you say it adds
Q. Well, I want to know other than the fact that you say it adds
there any other reason why they object to us knowing?
there any other reason why they object to us knowing?
A. Once again, I would say that it would require much time and would
A. Once again, I would say that it would require much time and would
progress rather than your curiosity.
progress rather than your curiosity.
I am learning more. You all have great expectations of me, and I
I am learning more. You all have great expectations of me, and I
just as you are.
just as you are.
Q. Well, we want you to know, Welmek, that you're very personal to us;
Q. Well, we want you to know, Welmek, that you're very personal to us;
yourself to us when you teach to us that means so much to us.
yourself to us when you teach to us that means so much to us.
Q. The way you love us.
Q. The way you love us.
Q. Yeah. We know that you love us and it shows and we love you back.
Q. Yeah. We know that you love us and it shows and we love you back.
Q. We feel it.
Q. We feel it.
Q. We appreciate you.
Q. We appreciate you.
A. And so it is with I. It is partly this feeling that I have for you
A. And so it is with I. It is partly this feeling that I have for you
that I do step over the line, knowing what will come. (laughter)
Q. Welmek, we have a Saturday night social time for us to get to know
Q. Welmek, we have a Saturday night social time for us to get to know
each other better. Maybe you should come to one of our socials and
we could get to know you better in other than a teaching situation.
A. The purpose for your socials is to get to know yourselves better.
A. The purpose for your socials is to get to know yourselves better.
I, you must understand, am desirous to a certain extent to maintain
a distance. I do not wish for any of you to become totally or even
partially dependent on me. What would happen if I were called away
from this planet to do another assignment? How would you feel?
What would happen if I became too close to you? How would I feel?
I love you all very much and I know that you love me. But
nevertheless, we are individuals; we each have our own assignments.
I cannot, and I am not permitted, to become too close, too
personal, so that you become more reliant on me in the decisions
that you make. Do you understand this?
Q. Yes we do, but unfortunately, that is what friends are for.
Q. Yes we do, but unfortunately, that is what friends are for.
A. We are friends, this is true; but my goal is to help each one of
A. We are friends, this is true; but my goal is to help each one of
you become stronger within yourself. In doing this, it is human
nature to become more reliant on someone such as myself to make
your decisions for you. I must always be aware of this fact and do
what I feel is appropriate at the time. I doubt, for the most
part, that I would speak at one of your social weekends. But then,
you never know. (laughter)
Q. You are there, watching us, aren't you?
Q. You are there, watching us, aren't you?
A. I spend much time with you, yes.
A. I spend much time with you, yes.
Q. You're certainly not limited in your learning of a sense of humor.
Q. You're certainly not limited in your learning of a sense of humor.
A. Thank you.
A. Thank you.
Q. If I recall right, at the system level, at the capital at Jerusem
Q. If I recall right, at the system level, at the capital at Jerusem
and so on, it takes about three of our days to equal one of those
days. Do you in your existence operate more on that time; and if
that were true, while these meetings for us happen once every 6 to
7 days, that would mean in your sense of time these meetings are
occurring almost every other day. Is there any basis of fact or
truth in that?
A. What I will say is that my plate is full. It seems as though this
A. What I will say is that my plate is full. It seems as though this
is an effective way to teach, to be able to relate to you in terms
that you understand. I am learning more of these concepts all the
time.
Also, remember what I have told you. You must, at times, read
between the lines. This is why it is important for you to read
these transcripts, take notes and ask questions of clarification.
This is not happening much yet. I encourage you to be more active
in this regard. You may be surprised what you learn. Just as
your text, there are levels of understanding, based on your
experiential realization. So it is, as what you witnessed tonight.
===Closing===
It is time to adjourn this meeting. I wish all of you the best. I
will be with you throughout the week. Look forward to next week,
and be patient. Go in peace and remember, our Father does love
you all very much.
GROUP: Goodnight, Welmek.
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