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Q: What's my next step?
 
Q: What's my next step?
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Ham: This daughter I will not tell you at this time. You will have guidance from Orion and others. It is not for me to tell you anything to do. What I suggest, however, is to have complete openness when the time is correct you will know what to do. Ask for help and for guidance within in your prayers and it will be given to you.
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Ham: This daughter I will not tell you at this time. You will have guidance from Orion and others. It is not for me to tell you anything to do. What I suggest, however, is to have complete openness when the time is correct you will know what to do. Ask for help and for [[guidance]] within in your prayers and it will be given to you.
    
Q: You said in your lesson that we could never disappoint the father or violate his sacred trust in us, could you elaborate on that?
 
Q: You said in your lesson that we could never disappoint the father or violate his sacred trust in us, could you elaborate on that?
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Ham: The Father is fully aware of all the imperfections in your life, in your being. He is not taken by surprise by anything you could do or think. He sees you totally and completely as you are in every moment. He is total, unconditional love and nothing you can do will ever change that. The Father sees reality, his reality, in its entirety, its completeness. The reason human beings experience disappointment is by having unreal expectations. The Father is never a victim of this, so he does not ever experience disappointment. Likewise, he does not experience anger or fear. The Father may seek to place a Fatherly hand between you and disaster, but never does he seek to punish his children.
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Ham: The Father is fully aware of all the imperfections in your life, in your being. He is not taken by surprise by anything you could do or think. He sees you totally and completely as you are in every [[moment]]. He is total, unconditional [[love]] and nothing you can do will ever [[change]] that. The Father sees [[reality]], his reality, in its entirety, its completeness. The reason human beings experience disappointment is by having unreal [[expectations]]. The Father is never a victim of this, so he does not ever experience disappointment. Likewise, he does not experience anger or fear. The Father may seek to place a Fatherly hand between you and disaster, but never does he seek to punish his children.
    
Q: You said there is no place for guilt in our relationship with our Father. Can you speak of the proper place of guilt, if any, in the relationships between human beings.
 
Q: You said there is no place for guilt in our relationship with our Father. Can you speak of the proper place of guilt, if any, in the relationships between human beings.
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Ham: Yes, guilt and remorse should be a part of human interactions. You should understand that remorse and guilt is a part of empathy between people so if you have hurt someone and understand their anguish, then you will necessarily feel guilt.  
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Ham: Yes, guilt and remorse should be a part of [[human]] interactions. You should understand that remorse and guilt is a part of [[empathy]] between people so if you have hurt someone and understand their anguish, then you will necessarily feel [[guilt]].  
    
Q: But we can't hurt the Father?
 
Q: But we can't hurt the Father?
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Ham: Correct.
 
Ham: Correct.
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Q: We have been raised with guilt in our religions and guilt and fear of God are a part of our culture and heritage. It will not be easy for us to overcome these habits of thinking and feeling about god. But I think when we are able to trust God as you described, it will be liberating for us.  
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Q: We have been raised with guilt in our [[religion]]s and guilt and fear of God are a part of our [[culture]] and heritage. It will not be easy for us to overcome these habits of [[thinking]] and [[feeling]] about god. But I think when we are able to trust God as you described, it will be liberating for us.  
    
Ham: Certainly it will.
 
Ham: Certainly it will.
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Q: I am surprised that you find value in guilt in interactions among people?
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Q: I am surprised that you find [[value]] in guilt in interactions among people?
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Ham: Human society would not be possible without it.
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Ham: Human [[society]] would not be possible without it.
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Q: In other words, a loose terminology, loving guilt, and empathy. Is that what you are talking about?
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Q: In other [[words]], a loose terminology, loving guilt, and empathy. Is that what you are talking about?
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Ham: If there were no remorse for wrong doing, you could not have civilization.
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Ham: If there were no remorse for wrong doing, you could not have [[civilization]].
    
Q: In one of your earlier lessons you said guilt must be abandoned and you elaborated on that, to what extent should we feel guilt.
 
Q: In one of your earlier lessons you said guilt must be abandoned and you elaborated on that, to what extent should we feel guilt.
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Ham: Gradually as you grow in the spirit, it is possible to gradually eliminate guilt as a part of your every day life. Some of you carry guilt from childhood that is irrelevant and unproductive. But you are afraid to let that guilt go because it has been part of how you defined yourself since you were a child. This is the kind of guilt I was talking about. I didn't mean that if you hurt another person accidently or deliberately that you should not feel any guilt.
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Ham: Gradually as you grow in the [[spirit]], it is possible to gradually eliminate guilt as a part of your every day life. Some of you carry guilt from childhood that is irrelevant and unproductive. But you are afraid to let that guilt go because it has been part of how you defined yourself since you were a child. This is the kind of guilt I was talking about. I didn't mean that if you hurt another person accidently or deliberately that you should not feel any guilt.
    
Q: Ham do you have any words for me this week?
 
Q: Ham do you have any words for me this week?
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Q: Ham do you have any words for me today?
 
Q: Ham do you have any words for me today?
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Ham: Yes, son, there are decisions that you need to consider about who you are and what you want your life to be. So far, you've let the circumstances and chance mold your life and have not take responsibility for its direction yourself. So if I were to give you advice, I would say think about these things and begin to consciously create your life rather than allowing it to be created for you.
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Ham: Yes, son, there are [[decisions]] that you need to consider about who you are and what you want your life to be. So far, you've let the circumstances and [[chance]] mold your life and have not take responsibility for its direction yourself. So if I were to give you advice, I would say think about these [[things]] and begin to consciously create your life rather than allowing it to be created for you.
    
Q: Ham is there any feedback you have for me this week?
 
Q: Ham is there any feedback you have for me this week?
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Ham: Yes, Brodan, you are certainly progressing in the spirit. The time is correct for you to let go a little more. Don't be do worried about losing control if you allow yourself more freedom -- freedom of thought, and freedom of will. You tend to impose a strength of will on yourself that leaves very little room for spontaneity or times saying I don't feel like it. I would say if you loosened up the reigns a little bit, you'll find that you actually can go faster.  
 
Ham: Yes, Brodan, you are certainly progressing in the spirit. The time is correct for you to let go a little more. Don't be do worried about losing control if you allow yourself more freedom -- freedom of thought, and freedom of will. You tend to impose a strength of will on yourself that leaves very little room for spontaneity or times saying I don't feel like it. I would say if you loosened up the reigns a little bit, you'll find that you actually can go faster.  
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Q: Is what's so scary about freedom to people the unknown?
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Q: Is what's so scary about [[freedom]] to people the unknown?
    
Ham: Yes, the unknown is certainly frightening but it is also exhilarating to leave the nest of your own making.  
 
Ham: Yes, the unknown is certainly frightening but it is also exhilarating to leave the nest of your own making.  
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Ham: Yes.
 
Ham: Yes.
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Q: Tonight you encouraged several of us to be freer in our self-expression. In the Urantia book I recall reading a passage on the necessity of increasing self-control as we progress through the circles. In my mind there is some confusion between self- control and self-expression.
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Q: Tonight you encouraged several of us to be freer in our self-expression. In the [[Urantia book]] I recall reading a passage on the necessity of increasing self-control as we progress through [[Psychic Circles|the circles]]. In my [[mind]] there is some confusion between self- control and self-[[expression]].
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Ham: Self-control simply means you are wisely choosing the time and place and method of self-expression.
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Ham: Self-control simply means you are wisely choosing the time and place and [[method]] of self-expression.
    
Q: Ham, I appreciate any advice for me.
 
Q: Ham, I appreciate any advice for me.
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Ham: Vontis you are learning the real value of friendships both within your family and outside it. True friendship with another human being has a value and a purpose all in itself apart from what it give you or what you give to it. Think of the value of your friendship with Elkie and this friendship has a value in the universe that is different than the value each of you has apart. It is a wise man who learns to treasure friendship for its own sake.
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Ham: Vontis you are learning the real [[value]] of [[friendship]]s both within your [[family]] and outside it. True friendship with another human being has a value and a [[purpose]] all in itself apart from what it give you or what you give to it. Think of the value of your friendship with Elkie and this friendship has a value in the universe that is different than the value each of you has apart. It is a wise man who learns to treasure friendship for its own sake.
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Q: Where you just talking about the Supreme?
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Q: Where you just talking about [[the Supreme]]?
    
===Closing===
 
===Closing===

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