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Vicki:  Good morning, Monjoronson.  (Good morning.)  Is there anything you would like to share before we begin?

Vicki:  Good morning, Monjoronson.  (Good morning.)  Is there anything you would like to share before we begin?

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

Urantia receiving greater intervention

*Urantia receiving greater intervention

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Only that as your world changes more rapidly, as you see more disruption, we have a greater potential and greater activation to be involved in your human activities.  This is essential:  Your world has not and is not proceeding according to the Divine plan for planets, so there must be greater intervention, without manipulation and without obscuring individual will in our work, to bring about your world into a world that enters into the era of light and life.  You will wonder at the development of our plans, as you see almost oddly, strangely, coincidence and serendipity in the development of events and plans of men and women in organizations.  You will know that it is us, who are present and bringing these developments into occasion.  Thank you.

MONJORONSON:  Only that as your world changes more rapidly, as you see more disruption, we have a greater potential and greater activation to be involved in your human activities.  This is essential:  Your world has not and is not proceeding according to the Divine plan for planets, so there must be greater intervention, without manipulation and without obscuring individual will in our work, to bring about your world into a world that enters into the era of light and life.  You will wonder at the development of our plans, as you see almost oddly, strangely, coincidence and serendipity in the development of events and plans of men and women in organizations.  You will know that it is us, who are present and bringing these developments into occasion.  Thank you.

   

   

My first topic is on the concept of “hell.”  One of our readers has an aging father who practices as a Baptist Minister, and who is convinced that we will spend time in a place called hell for our earthly transgressions, and fears death for this reason.  This reader thought maybe a few words from you would comfort his father.  Can you speak to the history of this belief and its validity?

My first topic is on the concept of “hell.”  One of our readers has an aging father who practices as a Baptist Minister, and who is convinced that we will spend time in a place called hell for our earthly transgressions, and fears death for this reason.  This reader thought maybe a few words from you would comfort his father.  Can you speak to the history of this belief and its validity?

The history behind the concept of hell

The history behind the concept of hell

   

   

   

   

Vicki:  Is it possible, Monjoronson, that one who is predisposed to this belief in hell, could actually manifest this existence or something similar after death, in their own consciousness?  

Vicki:  Is it possible, Monjoronson, that one who is predisposed to this belief in hell, could actually manifest this existence or something similar after death, in their own consciousness?  

Can the mind of man manifest hell?

Can the mind of man manifest hell?

   

   

   

   

Here is another question from one of our readers:  He says, “There are a lot of places I have yet to see and experience on this planet.  Upon death and before we enter the tunnel, do we have the option to do a little sightseeing around the world, before we leave our beloved planet?”

Here is another question from one of our readers:  He says, “There are a lot of places I have yet to see and experience on this planet.  Upon death and before we enter the tunnel, do we have the option to do a little sightseeing around the world, before we leave our beloved planet?”

After death, can we go sightseeing on our world?

After death, can we go sightseeing on our world?

   

   

   

   

Vicki:  This question is also something that has been much discussed, but is coming from someone outside of our movement, who is exploring this, through the reading of books and contemplation, so I will proceed:  Much has been discussed about why pain and suffering of the innocent is allowed on our planet, including discussions of the defaults in our checkered past, the immaturity of our civilizations that result in this pain and suffering, and affect our abilities to deal with the pain and suffering of others, as well as the universal protection of free will.  Do you, Monjoronson, have anything more you would like to add to help us understand why this is allowed to occur?

Vicki:  This question is also something that has been much discussed, but is coming from someone outside of our movement, who is exploring this, through the reading of books and contemplation, so I will proceed:  Much has been discussed about why pain and suffering of the innocent is allowed on our planet, including discussions of the defaults in our checkered past, the immaturity of our civilizations that result in this pain and suffering, and affect our abilities to deal with the pain and suffering of others, as well as the universal protection of free will.  Do you, Monjoronson, have anything more you would like to add to help us understand why this is allowed to occur?

The reasons pain and suffering are allowed

*The reasons pain and suffering are allowed

   

   

MONJORONSON:  This topic has been discussed numerous times before, and I will say again, that the universe was created as an evolutionary developmental environment for growth.  The cause of pain and discomfort in your world is not caused by God, yet it is allowed to exist.  Your Creator did not create a universe to put you on a morphine drip, so that you would be in ecstasy all your life, avoiding the pains and vicissitudes of your material world.  It is important that you be able to experience your world to the fullest.  

MONJORONSON:  This topic has been discussed numerous times before, and I will say again, that the universe was created as an evolutionary developmental environment for growth.  The cause of pain and discomfort in your world is not caused by God, yet it is allowed to exist.  Your Creator did not create a universe to put you on a morphine drip, so that you would be in ecstasy all your life, avoiding the pains and vicissitudes of your material world.  It is important that you be able to experience your world to the fullest.  

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, exactly so.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, exactly so.

Can there be communications between the dead and dying?

Can there be communications between the dead and dying?

   

   

   

   

Vicki:  In my research this week, I looked into other ways that we can assist the dying, spiritually, and one thing that surfaced quite often was “meditation.” And so I’m wondering if you could give us from a spiritual perspective, ways meditation could be used to facilitate the dying process?

Vicki:  In my research this week, I looked into other ways that we can assist the dying, spiritually, and one thing that surfaced quite often was “meditation.” And so I’m wondering if you could give us from a spiritual perspective, ways meditation could be used to facilitate the dying process?

Meditation as a tool for the dying

*Meditation as a tool for the dying

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  You have hit upon a subject of great benefit.  Meditation in the presence of the dying, particularly when there are two or three gathered together to meditate with the dying, offers a wonderful communion of consciousness.  I do not say “souls,” but I say “consciousness,” as this person who is dying, is beginning to cross over.  It is very much like a placenta, after the child is born, the placenta begins to come away from the wall of the uterus, the womb, and it is best done when it is left to its own devices, rather than being tugged upon by the umbilical chord, causing a tear.

MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  You have hit upon a subject of great benefit.  Meditation in the presence of the dying, particularly when there are two or three gathered together to meditate with the dying, offers a wonderful communion of consciousness.  I do not say “souls,” but I say “consciousness,” as this person who is dying, is beginning to cross over.  It is very much like a placenta, after the child is born, the placenta begins to come away from the wall of the uterus, the womb, and it is best done when it is left to its own devices, rather than being tugged upon by the umbilical chord, causing a tear.

   

   

Vicki:  Thank you!  That was extremely beneficial.  We talked briefly last session, about Tibetan beliefs, and their references to visualizations that are common during various stages of dying and dissolution.  Are there common visualizations that occur within our consciousness at the time of dying, that we all may experience, or is this an individual experience?

Vicki:  Thank you!  That was extremely beneficial.  We talked briefly last session, about Tibetan beliefs, and their references to visualizations that are common during various stages of dying and dissolution.  Are there common visualizations that occur within our consciousness at the time of dying, that we all may experience, or is this an individual experience?

Are visualizations common as a death experience?

Are visualizations common as a death experience?

   

   

   

   

Here on earth, some of us find more comfort and loving from our pets than we do from some human individuals, and so we grow very attached to them.  From what has been said about animals, we know that they are endowed with up to five of the Adjutant Mind Spirits, and that they do not have souls.  This implies that they do not survive after dying on our planet.  Is this correct?

Here on earth, some of us find more comfort and loving from our pets than we do from some human individuals, and so we grow very attached to them.  From what has been said about animals, we know that they are endowed with up to five of the Adjutant Mind Spirits, and that they do not have souls.  This implies that they do not survive after dying on our planet.  Is this correct?

Do pets survive the death experience?

Do pets survive the death experience?

   

   

   

   

Now I am going to move to another topic, and I only have one question here. It has to do with the sustainability model that was passed down by Sondjah to the co-creative teams. Some have wondered about the origin of the three primary values of life, equity and growth, used to explore our beliefs and our expectations and used as well to plan for future actions. “Where did these come from?”  Could you tell us more about the origin or significance of three values and why they were picked for this process?

Now I am going to move to another topic, and I only have one question here. It has to do with the sustainability model that was passed down by Sondjah to the co-creative teams. Some have wondered about the origin of the three primary values of life, equity and growth, used to explore our beliefs and our expectations and used as well to plan for future actions. “Where did these come from?”  Could you tell us more about the origin or significance of three values and why they were picked for this process?

The three primary values of sustainability

The three primary values of sustainability

   

   

   

   

Monjoronson, this discussion of death and dying leads to another concern and another topic, that I wish to explore with you, and that is the “elderly” in our culture.  What is your assessment of the care and handling of the elderly people in our society?

Monjoronson, this discussion of death and dying leads to another concern and another topic, that I wish to explore with you, and that is the “elderly” in our culture.  What is your assessment of the care and handling of the elderly people in our society?

The care and handling of the elderly

*The care and handling of the elderly

   

   

MONJORONSON:  I am pondering how to place your caring of the elderly, amongst the various, hundreds or thousands of planets, and within the various hundreds of cultures of your own planet.  Your referent for your culture is limiting, and does not represent that which is provided in numerous other cultures on your world, yet there are places on your world that do emulate some of the best practices of more evolved worlds and societies.  Would you like me to discuss that, or give you a round assessment in answer to your question?

MONJORONSON:  I am pondering how to place your caring of the elderly, amongst the various, hundreds or thousands of planets, and within the various hundreds of cultures of your own planet.  Your referent for your culture is limiting, and does not represent that which is provided in numerous other cultures on your world, yet there are places on your world that do emulate some of the best practices of more evolved worlds and societies.  Would you like me to discuss that, or give you a round assessment in answer to your question?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  In a healthy society, and with healthy individuals, those become self-expressive.  That is, the elderly know what they want and pursue it, and they ask for it, they seek it.  What you are seeing in your society are people who have been watching television too much.  They continue to watch television until they die.  There are many needs of the elderly, but there are far more needs of those who are active in the middle age, who are not seeking to explore those options.  Your concern should be for those who are much younger, to seek how they can express themselves in their lifetimes.  Those individuals who are elderly, and of good mind, surely do not keep their wishes to themselves, but share them; and those who dulled their mind through the duration of their lifetimes will not express their needs then, as they did not earlier.  

MONJORONSON:  In a healthy society, and with healthy individuals, those become self-expressive.  That is, the elderly know what they want and pursue it, and they ask for it, they seek it.  What you are seeing in your society are people who have been watching television too much.  They continue to watch television until they die.  There are many needs of the elderly, but there are far more needs of those who are active in the middle age, who are not seeking to explore those options.  Your concern should be for those who are much younger, to seek how they can express themselves in their lifetimes.  Those individuals who are elderly, and of good mind, surely do not keep their wishes to themselves, but share them; and those who dulled their mind through the duration of their lifetimes will not express their needs then, as they did not earlier.  

*Your society does not feed the curious

Your society does not feed the curious

   

   

Your society does not feed the curious.  Your society does not open up the potential of individuals.  Your society is very much like so many people in a mental health ward, watching television, wandering about on drugs, taking care of their vital needs and being cared for otherwise, by their caretakers.  I do not intend to be mean by stating these things—it is simply that you have a vast society of dullards, who are not interested or curious, and later in life, do not know how to express their needs and satisfy them.  Your question is very prickly in many ways, because it causes us to present a critique of your current society.  Your current society is not sustainable as it exists, and you are seeing that unsustainable evidence in the lives of those who are elderly.  Surely those elements that are sustainable are expressed and explicit in the elderly, who remain curious and expressive of their potential, and still seek to explore themselves and their lives.

Your society does not feed the curious.  Your society does not open up the potential of individuals.  Your society is very much like so many people in a mental health ward, watching television, wandering about on drugs, taking care of their vital needs and being cared for otherwise, by their caretakers.  I do not intend to be mean by stating these things—it is simply that you have a vast society of dullards, who are not interested or curious, and later in life, do not know how to express their needs and satisfy them.  Your question is very prickly in many ways, because it causes us to present a critique of your current society.  Your current society is not sustainable as it exists, and you are seeing that unsustainable evidence in the lives of those who are elderly.  Surely those elements that are sustainable are expressed and explicit in the elderly, who remain curious and expressive of their potential, and still seek to explore themselves and their lives.

   

   

Vicki:  Would you like to expound on that for us?

Vicki:  Would you like to expound on that for us?

Avoiding dementia begins in the family

*Avoiding dementia begins in the family

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely, I would.  The family of origin—mother, father and children—provide the environment by which the tremendous, infinite, innate potential within the child, can begin to be explored, and that is an era of opportunity to expose the child to various situations of learning, to engage their curiosity, rather than stifling it, answering their questions, rather than telling them to be quiet.  This training that begins in the family of origin, usually expresses itself in midlife by failure to be curious and to explore their own potential when they are on their own and responsible for their own development, education and living.  It becomes even more graphically evident, in the elderly, who sit around and do nothing, or those who remain to be active.  

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely, I would.  The family of origin—mother, father and children—provide the environment by which the tremendous, infinite, innate potential within the child, can begin to be explored, and that is an era of opportunity to expose the child to various situations of learning, to engage their curiosity, rather than stifling it, answering their questions, rather than telling them to be quiet.  This training that begins in the family of origin, usually expresses itself in midlife by failure to be curious and to explore their own potential when they are on their own and responsible for their own development, education and living.  It becomes even more graphically evident, in the elderly, who sit around and do nothing, or those who remain to be active.  

   

   

You will see these individuals who are at the veil, approach the veil and retreat, and come back and forth, as those who are in the material realm beckon them to eat, or to bathe, or to rest or dress.  They oftentimes, those in the material realm are completely unaware of this happening, and often are hostile towards this experience of the one who is dying.  This is most unfortunate, as it creates a dissonance, a fracture in the energy of closure; it breaks the even-flow of the continuum of spiritual experience of the individual.  It is not nice to indicate that they are mentally ill or crazy, or they have lost their mind, when the elderly who have approached the veil, have spoken with their aunt, or their uncle, father or mother, brother, sister or some grandparent who has already passed.  There is this hostile acceptance of the veil being present, but my friends, you who are in your 30’s or 20’s, who are completely immersed in the material world, you live with the veil as well.  It is simply that it is a foot thick, and that you even deny its existence.  

You will see these individuals who are at the veil, approach the veil and retreat, and come back and forth, as those who are in the material realm beckon them to eat, or to bathe, or to rest or dress.  They oftentimes, those in the material realm are completely unaware of this happening, and often are hostile towards this experience of the one who is dying.  This is most unfortunate, as it creates a dissonance, a fracture in the energy of closure; it breaks the even-flow of the continuum of spiritual experience of the individual.  It is not nice to indicate that they are mentally ill or crazy, or they have lost their mind, when the elderly who have approached the veil, have spoken with their aunt, or their uncle, father or mother, brother, sister or some grandparent who has already passed.  There is this hostile acceptance of the veil being present, but my friends, you who are in your 30’s or 20’s, who are completely immersed in the material world, you live with the veil as well.  It is simply that it is a foot thick, and that you even deny its existence.  

Death, meditation  and mystical experiences

Death, meditation  and mystical experiences

   

   

   

   

Vicki:  I do understand, and I think that you have given us a wealth of knowledge that has extended our understanding. I think this is a good place to conclude our session.  I’m sure though, I may have more questions about the elderly in the future.

Vicki:  I do understand, and I think that you have given us a wealth of knowledge that has extended our understanding. I think this is a good place to conclude our session.  I’m sure though, I may have more questions about the elderly in the future.

===Closing===

===Closing===

MONJORONSON:  I hope you would have questions about those caregivers who are with the elderly.  That would be helpful.  You did ask that once, quite a bit earlier, and it may be time to revisit that on occasion.

MONJORONSON:  I hope you would have questions about those caregivers who are with the elderly.  That would be helpful.  You did ask that once, quite a bit earlier, and it may be time to revisit that on occasion.