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===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

Student:  That’s a good question, Mother: where do these questions come from?  I was wondering what happens to the people who do really, really bad things on this world?—like dictators who kill thousands and thousands of people; people who start wars and things like that?

Student:  That’s a good question, Mother: where do these questions come from?  I was [[wondering]] what happens to the people who do really, really [[evil|bad]] [[things]] on this world?—like [[dictator]]s who kill thousands and thousands of people; people who start [[wars]] and things like that?

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Yes, my son, as I said, these are experiences of theirs captured in their souls as well as in the souls of their victims.  These are the lives they have known.  This is what they have done with the potential given them, limited about and conditioned by their experience of life.  This is why the human soul holds both of what you might consider both positive and negative experiences.  Yet their souls are also co-authored by an individual presence of God within them--however ignored--with nigh infinite understanding of all the causes and effects of their lives and how they came to be what they were.

NEBADONIA:  Yes, my son, as I said, these are [[experiences]] of theirs captured in their [[souls]] as well as in the souls of their [[victims]].  These are the lives they have known.  This is what they have done with the [[potential]] given them, [[limited]] about and conditioned by their [[experience]] of life.  This is why the [[human]] [[soul]] holds both of what you might [[consider]] both [[positive]] and [[negative]] [[experiences]].  Yet their [[souls]] are also co-authored by an [[Thought Adjuster|individual presence of God within them]]--however [[ignored]]--with nigh infinite [[understanding]] of all the [[causes]] and [[effects]] of their lives and how they came to be what they were.

Every [[human being]] who survives to the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_47 Morontia realms] will [[awaken]] to their [[soul]]-[[wealth]] of [[experiences]], seen a little more [[spiritually]] [[sensitive]] to God’s [[point of view]].  Obviously they will also have to face and deal with those they have treated so, for these will be their [[companions]] over there.  And so they will come to [[realize]], as will you, what they have done from the [[soul]]-[[perspective]] of those they have affected.  For some who have caused such [[pain]] and loss of life, this will be a [[horror]]; for others who have lived a loving, giving, [[sharing]] life, a [[glory]].  

   

   

Every human being who survives to the Morontia realms will awaken to their soul-wealth of experiences, seen a little more spiritually sensitive to God’s point of view.  Obviously they will also have to face and deal with those they have treated so, for these will be their companions over there.  And so they will come to realize, as will you, what they have done from the soul-perspective of those they have affected.  For some who have caused such pain and loss of life, this will be a horror; for others who have lived a loving, giving, sharing life, a glory.  

Student:  That’s certainly a [[different]] [[perspective]].  

   

   

Student:  That’s certainly a different perspective.  

NEBADONIA:  Remember and [[consider]] what we’ve taught about reawakening on the [[Mansion worlds]] with an enormously expanded [[consciousness]] based upon and in an enormously [[Morontia]]-evolved [[matter]]/[[energy]] [[body]], [[soul]]-infused [[mind]], and expanded [[spirit]] [[awareness]] and [[sensitivity]].  That [[experience]] alone, and continuing, that none will ever [[forget]] in all of [[eternity]], has a great…[[healing]] [[effect]]--shall we say.  They will have [[survived]]!—and in this [[survival]] can try to put to rest so much of the [[fear]] and agony they knew as [[human being]]s which lead to the [[acts]] they did.  There is great [[mercy]] built right into this [[pattern]] of [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_112 human survival], my son.  It is hard to [[express]] in a few minutes like this, but everyone will reap the [[spiritual]] [[effects]] of their [[soul]], and, as we’ve taught so many times, [[eternal]] life is not [[Coercion|forced]] upon anyone.  That [[choice]] is the [[ultimate]] [[freedom]] of the created [[being]].

As you [[wonder]] where [[ideas]] and [[concepts]] come from, they come from your very own [[nature]].  You are a being [[endowed]] with [[creative[[ [[spirit]], and you using it all the time, even as you sit here [[reading]] this and [[evaluating]] what I’m saying.

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Remember and consider what we’ve taught about reawakening on the Mansion worlds with an enormously expanded consciousness based upon and in an enormously Morontia-evolved matter/energy body, soul-infused mind, and expanded spirit awareness and sensitivity.  That experience alone, and continuing, that none will ever forget in all of eternity, has a great…healing effect--shall we say.  They will have survived!—and in this survival can try to put to rest so much of the fear and agony they knew as human beings which lead to the acts they did.  There is great mercy built right into this pattern of human survival, my son.  It is hard to express in a few minutes like this, but everyone will reap the spiritual effects of their soul, and, as we’ve taught so many times, eternal life is not forced upon anyone.  That choice is the ultimate freedom of the created being.

Student:  I am beginning to [[recognize]] that [[creativity]] has a lot more to it than I [[thought]]—in thinking up new stuff.  So I thank you, Mother.

   

   

Nebadonia:  You’re [[welcome]], my son. It is true that to go about your [[busy]] lives you are mostly [[unconscious]] of the [[fact]] that you are, as we say, [[co-creating]] your [[reality]].  It seems so [[objectively]] real!—(Mother Spirit [[laughs]])—and there is a real, [[objective]] [[universe]] out there, but [[experienced]] in [[part]]—made real for you--through your own [[Thought Adjuster|creative spirit]] unifying all input.  It’s why tonight I spoke so much on your [[experience]] of the [[self-conscious]]-[[self]] you create from the time you were a small [[child]] in [[concert]] with your [[family]], playmates, and the others in your [[work]] and [[leisure]]; your [[education]] and [[training]].  All these [[contribute]] to your sense of yourself.  You can [[control]] your [[focus]] and, in [[meditation]] and [[prayer]], let it turn everywhere-outwards in a relaxed opening to the [[encompassing]] of [[spirit]], and what spirit—including your own—has for you these few, [[unique]] minutes this particular [[time]].  You begin to identify more with this all-[[encompassing]] within which you live; but don’t worry if you cannot always keep it in [[mind]].  Just keep [[wondering]]!--and be in my [[love]].

Nebadonia:  You’re welcome, my son. It is true that to go about your busy lives you are mostly unconscious of the fact that you are, as we say, co-creating your reality.  It seems so objectively real!—(Mother Spirit laughs)—and there is a real, objective universe out there, but experienced in part—made real for you--through your own creative spirit unifying all input.  It’s why tonight I spoke so much on your experience of the self-conscious-self you create from the time you were a small child in concert with your family, playmates, and the others in your work and leisure; your education and training.  All these contribute to your sense of yourself.  You can control your focus and, in meditation and prayer, let it turn everywhere-outwards in a relaxed opening to the encompassing of spirit, and what spirit—including your own—has for you these few, unique minutes this particular time.  You begin to identify more with this all-encompassing within which you live; but don’t worry if you cannot always keep it in mind.  Just keep wondering!--and be in my love.

   

   

Student:  Thank you, Mother.

Student:  Thank you, Mother.

   

   

Student:  I do like your use of the word persistence in your dialogue.

Student:  I do like your use of the word [[persistence]] in your [[dialogue]].

NEBADOINA:  Tonight I spoke to the ways in which your free will is conditioned by your understanding, and it’s to your understanding Michael and I give these lessons, to give you a feeling for the reality of personality and the reality of your creative spirit.  Though your free will is limited about by your sense of yourself and your personal philosophy of what human life is, both are capable of growth in parallel with your soul.  By becoming aware of the personal limitations of your ego, as well its necessity and tenacity, from the perspective of spirit; this humility also gives you the perception and the appreciation of something so much greater than your ego.  You can will yourself to grow, to be more and more conscious of both your limitations and yet too the enormous encompassing of which your own potential is no small part.  You persist through time, and you can choose to persist more and more in tune with all that is not-you and grow your response-ability.  

NEBADOINA:  Tonight I spoke to the ways in which your [[free will]] is conditioned by your [[understanding]], and it’s to your understanding Michael and I give these lessons, to give you a [[feeling]] for the [[reality]] of [[personality]] and the [[reality]] of your creative spirit.  Though your [[free will]] is limited about by your sense of yourself and your [[personal]] [[philosophy]] of what [[human]] life is, both are capable of [[growth]] in [[parallel]] with your [[soul]].  By becoming [[aware]] of the personal [[limitations]] of your [[ego]], as well its [[necessity]] and [[tenacity]], from the [[perspective]] of [[spirit]]; this [[humility]] also gives you the [[perception]] and the [[appreciation]] of something so much greater than your [[ego]].  You can will yourself to [[grow]], to be more and more [[conscious]] of both your [[limitations]] and yet too the enormous [[encompassing]] of which your own [[potential]] is no small part.  You [[persist]] through [[time]], and you can [[choose]] to persist more and more in [[tune]] with all that is not-you and grow your [[response-ability]].  

   

   

Student:  I guess that’s what you mean by us being experiential beings.  That’s how we learn.  

Student:  I guess that’s what you mean by us being experiential beings.  That’s how we learn.  

   

   

Student:  It shows us a deeper, richer, more [[profound]] and expansive [[community]] that we’re a part of, of the whole [[cosmos]].  

Student:  It shows us a deeper, richer, more profound and expansive community that we’re a part of, of the whole cosmos.

Student:  It’s interesting how you talk about our limitations and yet you’ve also taught about our being little walking infinities.  Is that a paradox?  I guess that is what stillness meditation is all about, to open up and discover that’s where free will comes in.  We open up and allow without coercion or anything manipulating or forced upon ourselves; allow that infinitude that we all are.  Without categorizing or labeling we just allow and gain familiarity with that potential.  

   

   

NEBADONIA: Yes, my son. This is the truest worship, being aware of and appreciative that all you experience has a Creator—God initially, then all of us out here, individually co-creating with Him our own lives and souls.  This realization helps diminish any feelings of fatalism, that you can play no part in your life.  Ironically, a feeling of fatalism is only part of your own created philosophy of life.  You can grow out of it.  

NEBADONIA:  This is one of the stated [[purposes]] of the [[Urantia revelation]], to initiate and help you grow your [[cosmic]] [[consciousness]].

Student:  It’s interesting how you talk about our [[limitations]] and yet you’ve also taught about our being little walking [[infinities]].  Is that a [[paradox]]?  I guess that is what [[stillness]] [[meditation]] is all about, to open up and [[discover]] that’s where [[free will]] comes in.  We open up and allow without [[coercion]] or anything manipulating or forced upon ourselves; allow that infinitude that we all are.  Without categorizing or labeling we just allow and gain familiarity with that [[potential]].  

   

   

Student:  It seems we are the only creature that can go against our own true nature.  

NEBADONIA:  Yes, my son.  This is the truest [[worship]], being aware of and [[appreciative]] that all you [[experience]] has a [[Creator]]—[[God]] initially, then all of us out here, individually [[co-creating]] with Him our own lives and [[souls]].  This [[realization]] helps diminish any [[feelings]] of fatalism, that you can [[play]] no part in your life.  [[Ironically]], a [[feeling]] of fatalism is only part of your own created [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_140#140:4._YOU_ARE_THE_SALT_OF_THE_EARTH philosophy of life].  You can [[grow]] out of it.  

   

   

Nebadonia:  Yes, that is the duality, even the multiplicity that an immature human being, not yet spiritually united within, experiences.  

Student:  It seems we are the only [[creature]] that can go against our own true [[nature]].  

   

   

Student:  We have this erroneous perception that we are separate from all of this, this so-called singularity…hmmm…

Nebadonia:  Yes, that is the [[duality]], even the multiplicity that an immature [[human being]], not yet [[spiritually]] [[united]] within, [[experiences]].

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Yet a child’s sense of separation, of being a separate living being due to their initial identification with only their little body and uncontrollable emotions, this felt separation is a natural phase of creative human spirit.  This identification develops first, and comes before any later, life-changing experiences of conscious spirit awareness of, and connection with something universal.  The child feels so painfully helpless and vulnerable at times because their world does break down.  It utterly collapses in fearful anguish and tears, or rages of anger and temper tantrums.  Remember?  That is the true nature of a child.  You’ve all come through these early birthing pangs of self-awareness, quite naturally, as you learned how to---as you say to each other later: Get it together!  A human being’s “true nature” is this changing nature of theirs.  Any lasting difficulty is not that you naturally go through these stages of awareness and identification, but that you may get stuck along the way and refuse to evolve.

NEBADONIA:  Yet a child’s sense of separation, of being a separate living being due to their initial [[identification]] with only their little [[body]] and uncontrollable [[emotions]], this felt separation is a [[natural]] [[phase]] of [[creative]] [[human]] spirit.  This identification [[develops]] first, and comes before any later, life-changing [[experiences]] of [[conscious]] spirit [[awareness]] of, and [[connection]] with something [[universal]].  The child feels so [[painfully]] helpless and [[vulnerable]] at times because their world does break down.  It utterly collapses in fearful [[anguish]] and tears, or rages of [[anger]] and temper tantrums.  Remember?  That is the true [[nature]] of a [[child]].  You’ve all come through these early birthing pangs of [[self]]-[[awareness]], quite naturally, as you learned how to---as you say to each other later: Get it [[together]]!  A [[human being]]’s “true nature” is this changing [[nature]] of theirs.  Any lasting [[difficulty]] is not that you [[naturally]] go through these [[stages]] of [[awareness]] and identification, but that you may get stuck along the way and refuse to evolve.

   

   

Student:  But that separation is not necessarily true—the truth.  I’m trying to make that distinction.

Student:  But that separation is not necessarily true—the [[truth]].  I’m trying to make that distinction.

   

   

NEBADONIA:  However their separation may seem illusory or untrue from a point of view outside them, their own experience of separation can lead to real agony and suicide: real enough for them.  It’s true for them, a true experience, precisely because they cannot consciously touch the totality of their being which includes the life-affirming awareness of spirit-connection with God.  

NEBADONIA:  However their [[separation]] may seem [[illusory]] or untrue from a point of view outside them, their own [[experience]] of separation can lead to real [[agony]] and [[suicide]]: real enough for them.  It’s true for them, a true [[experience]], precisely because they cannot [[consciously]] [[touch]] the [[totality]] of their [[being]] which includes the life-affirming [[awareness]] of spirit-[[connection]] with [[God]].  

   

   

Student:  So, in a sense, they renounce their free will.

Student:  So, in a sense, they renounce their [[free will]].

   

   

NEBADONIA:  No.  It’s a matter of their never having had that freedom—consciously—in the first place.  You cannot renounce what you have not yet known through living experience.  Free will is not an abstraction but a personal, creative ability which only exists in the use of it.  It has to be experienced to be personally real.  

NEBADONIA:  No.  It’s a matter of their never having had that [[freedom]]—[[consciously]]—in the first place.  You cannot [[renounce]] what you have not yet known through living [[experience]].  Free will is not an [[abstraction]] but a [[personal]], creative [[ability]] which only exists in the use of it.  It has to be experienced to be [[personally]] real.  

   

   

The experience of free will is an endless growth as you become more in tune and understanding with the absolute and infinite wisdom of God’s will, not only in all your physical sciences and psychologies, but also in the realm your Urantia book calls Morontia mota, or spiritual law, you are capable of learning through your own soul’s recognition.  Else these lessons would be pointless—fruitless.  Rather, they are resonating with something within you.

The [[experience]] of [[free will]] is an endless [[growth]] as you become more in [[tune]] and [[understanding]] with the [[absolute]] and [[infinite]] [[wisdom]] of God’s will, not only in all your [[physical sciences]] and [[psychologies]], but also in the realm your [[Urantia book]] calls [[Morontia]] [[mota]], or [[spiritual]] [[law]], you are capable of learning through your own [[soul]]’s [[recognition]].  Else these lessons would be pointless—fruitless.  Rather, they are [[resonating]] with something within you.

   

   

God himself is the only, singular and ultimate possessor of truth for only He, in His omniscience, is able to respond to—and responsible for—the totality of the creation.  There exists His absolute and infinite truth always, but each personal being’s ability to access this varies from one individual to another.

[[God]] himself is the only, [[singular]] and [[ultimate]] possessor of [[truth]] for only He, in His [[omniscience]], is able to [[respond]] to—and [[responsible]] for—the [[totality]] of the [[creation]].  There exists His [[absolute]] and [[infinite]] [[truth]] always, but each [[personal]] [[being]]’s [[ability]] to [[access]] this varies from one [[individual]] to another.

   

   

Student:  But each human being has the ability to access Him in stillness, and discern and live experiencing this moment to moment.

Student:  But each [[human being]] has the ability to [[access]] Him in [[stillness]], and [[discern]] and live experiencing this [[moment]] to moment.

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Yes, that is their potential.  The degree to which they can realize their potential and make it actual is a measure of their maturity.  As you become more mature through ever greater contact and awareness of God’s presence and will, your life can actually become more real to you.

NEBADONIA:  Yes, that is their [[potential]].  The [[degree]] to which they can [[realize]] their [[potential]] and make it [[actual]] is a [[measure]] of their [[maturity]].  As you become more [[mature]] through ever greater [[contact]] and [[awareness]] of God’s [[presence]] and will, your life can [[actually]] become more real to you.

   

   

Student:  Well, thank you.

Student:  Well, thank you.

   

   

NEBADONIA:  Thank you, my son, for wanting to explore all this complexity of human selfhood and free will.  Some might consider it a mistake of God’s to have placed so much decisiveness, or lack of it, within a person’s consciousness that is so provisional, so dependent on so many changing factors.  But there it is.  The saving grace, as we’ve said, is that your ability to decide is capable of growth, on and on forever, if you wish.  That is also a choice.

NEBADONIA:  Thank you, my son, for wanting to [[explore]] all this [[complexity]] of human [[selfhood]] and [[free will]].  Some might [[consider]] it a mistake of God’s to have placed so much [[decisiveness]], or lack of it, within a [[person]]’s [[consciousness]] that is so [[Contingency|provisional]], so dependent on so many changing [[factors]].  But there it is.  The saving [[grace]], as we’ve said, is that your [[ability]] to decide is capable of [[growth]], on and on forever, if you wish.  That is also a [[choice]].

 

===Note===

===Note===

Dear Folks,  Sorry—ran out of time with ten minutes or so to go.  Will continue--Jerry

Dear Folks,  Sorry—ran out of time with ten minutes or so to go.  Will continue--Jerry