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==Session==
==Session==
===Opening===
===Opening===
Mac says opening prayer.
Mac says opening [[prayer]].
Teacher: I am Abraham. I am your Teacher. AllGood evening Abraham.
Teacher: I am Abraham. I am your Teacher.
All Good evening Abraham.
Teacher: You are of [[comfort]].
Teacher: Yes. You have queries
All Yes, thank you.
Teacher: Yes. You have [[queries]]
===Dialogue===
===Dialogue===
Dominica When we had our last appointment, you said you would tell me something about Mary.
Dominica When we had our last [[appointment]], you said you would tell me something about Mary.
Teacher: Yes, what would you ask?
Teacher: Yes, what would you ask?
"I'm not sure. I am just interested in anything you would like to tell me.
"I'm not sure. I am just interested in anything you would like to tell me.
Teacher: One moment. In the last physical journey she was a young person of a male, yes. Much did that person learn. There is not much information to impart. Be assured in the lifetime in the non-physical, Mary has achieved much. Yes, more then this you are not to know.
Teacher: One [[moment]]. In the last [[physical]] [[journey]] she was a young person of a [[male]], yes. Much did that person learn. There is not much [[information]] to impart. Be [[assured]] in the lifetime in the non-physical, Mary has achieved much. Yes, more then this you are not to know.
"I understand.
"I [[understand]].
Teacher: YES.
Teacher: YES.
There is hesitance, yes.
There is hesitance, yes.
Melda I am Melda, may I ask a question?
Teacher: You May.
Teacher: You May.
In some of the work I have been doing I have come across people who have learned of their passed lives and appear to be possessed by their passed lives, in that they are trying to live that, in this life. Is that possible, and how can I help them?
In some of the work I have been doing I have come across people who have [[learned]] of their [[past]] lives and appear to be possessed by their passed lives, in that they are trying to live that, in this life. Is that possible, and how can I help them?
Teacher: Yes. It is a possibility. It is of a sadness, previous physical journies are not to be used in such a manner often times, persons believe a past experience may excuse their mistake in the present. Yes. You may speak to them of this. It may be of comfort. Do not look back, but forward, lest ye stumble & fall, yes. You are understanding?
Teacher: Yes. It is a possibility. It is of a sadness, previous physical [[journeys]] are not to be used in such a [[manner]] often times, persons [[believe]] a past experience may excuse their mistake in the present. Yes. You may speak to them of this. It may be of [[comfort]]. Do not look back, but forward, lest ye stumble & fall, yes. You are understanding?
"Yes thank you.
"Yes thank you.
Teacher: You may.
Teacher: You may.
===='''''[[Afterlife]]'''''====
"In the last few days I have spent some time with a friend who's husband died some time ago, apparently he is still in the household. I wonder has he passed over, and is he returning naturally to that house. His name is Charlie.
"In the last few days I have spent some time with a friend who's [[husband]] died some time ago, apparently he is still in the household. I [[wonder]] has he passed over, and is he returning naturally to that house. His name is Charlie.
Teacher: There is perhaps something he has left undone, unsaid. Yes. You are aware of such?
Teacher: There is perhaps something he has left undone, unsaid. Yes. You are aware of such?
Teacher: But of course. This is clear for you?
Teacher: But of course. This is clear for you?
"Yes. Another thing that puzzles me too, when mediums are giving clairvoyance, they are giving messages from people who have passed over, have those people really passed over, or are they really, I‘m thinking of messages say, in the spiritualist church, have those people really passed over, and are they returning, or do they still need help to pass over. I don't quite understand whether they need help, or whether they have passed over and it is just their way of coming back, to give some sort of a message
"Yes. Another thing that puzzles me too, when [[mediums]] are giving [[clairvoyance]], they are giving [[messages]] from people who have passed over, have those people really passed over, or are they really, I‘m [[thinking]] of messages say, in the [[spiritualist]] church, have those people really passed over, and are they returning, or do they still need help to pass over. I don't quite [[understand]] whether they need help, or whether they have passed over and it is just their way of coming back, to give some sort of a [[message]]
Yes. I refer you to a similar query previous.
Yes. I refer you to a similar query previous.
Teacher: Also, it is a possibility that some have returned because they did not leave. You are understanding
Teacher: Also, it is a [[possibility]] that some have returned because they did not leave. You are [[understanding]]
Melda Yes.
Teacher: Messages from the departed are not from the departed. They are from the soul consciousness. I have referred this before times, have I not?
Teacher: [[Messages]] from the departed are not from the departed. They are from the [[soul]] [[consciousness]]. I have referred this before times, have I not?
Mac Yes Abraham.
Mac Yes Abraham.
Clara This is Clara. It was mentioned to me today, that because of I guess, fear, or whatever, that there was a lot more suicides happening at the present times throughout the world, is it something to do with the moon, or atmospherics, I don't know, I didn't quite understand.
Clara This is Clara. It was mentioned to me today, that because of I guess, [[fear]], or whatever, that there was a lot more [[suicides]] happening at the present times throughout the world, is it something to do with the [[moon]], or atmospherics, I don't know, I didn't quite understand.
Teacher: YES. This is of interest. We are agreed the physical is constructed by atoms, electricity etc.., correct?
Teacher: YES. This is of interest. We are agreed the [[physical]] is constructed by [[atoms]], [[electricity]] etc.., correct?
All Yes.
Teacher: Atmosphere conditions do affect the physical body, heart and mind. There are also many souls who are not content and must depart. yes. You are writing?
Teacher: [[Atmosphere]] conditions do affect the [[physical]] [[body]], [[heart]] and [[mind]]. There are also many [[souls]] who are not content and must depart. yes. You are [[writing]]?
Clara yes.
Clara yes.
is it their time to take their life then?
is it their time to take their life then?
===='''''[[Suicide]]'''''====
Teacher: At times a person- shall decide to end their journey. Through some unexplained message from their soul, the soul is then freed to continue where ever it is necessary. There are those who do not receive unexplained message from soul. Their physical life journey, body heart & mind, are much confused, much sadness. And the desire to end this journey and to commence a new journey becomes a desire of great need. You are understanding?
Teacher: At times a person- shall decide to end their journey. Through some unexplained message from their soul, the soul is then freed to continue where ever it is necessary. There are those who do not receive unexplained message from soul. Their physical life journey, body heart & mind, are much confused, much sadness. And the desire to end this journey and to commence a new journey becomes a desire of great need. You are understanding?
"Yes, which brings up another point. If they, in their life are in dire need of help, and they are really miserable, do they, and their soul comes back again reborn, do they start at that point of misery?
"Yes, which brings up another point. If they, in their life are in dire need of help, and they are really miserable, do they, and their soul comes back again reborn, do they start at that point of misery?
Teacher: Not of necessity. If they have made a clean transmission it is not of necessity. There are those who do not do so, who are in need of soul rescue.
Teacher: Not of necessity. If they have made a clean transmission it is not of necessity. There are those who do not do so, who are in need of [[soul]] [[rescue]].
"Thank you.
"Thank you.
Teacher: You have more queries?
Teacher: You have more queries?
Tommas People who need help like this, they get it from somebody in the physical?
Tommas People who need help like this, they get it from somebody in the [[physical]]?
Teacher: Often, yes.
Teacher: Often, yes.
"And if not, somebody from the other side.
"And if not, somebody from the other side.
Teacher: Once they have passed over, yes. You see, as in all manner of deaths of the physical body, the guide is waiting. In a confused state of death, the soul may not notice the guide light, therefore remaining within the plane of confusion, believing to be still in the physical, carrying much pain, much fear, therefore the guide is unable to reach and intervention by physical persons is necessary.
Teacher: Once they have passed over, yes. You see, as in all [[manner]] of [[death]]s of the [[physical]] [[body]], the guide is waiting. In a [[confused]] state of [[death]], the [[soul]] may not notice the guide light, therefore remaining within the [[plane]] of [[confusion]], believing to be still in the [[physical]], carrying much [[pain]], much fear, therefore the guide is unable to reach and [[intervention]] by [[physical]] [[persons]] is [[necessary]].
"And if there is no physical person on hand, they stay that way indefinitely or until they finally……….
"And if there is no [[physical]] [[person]] on hand, they stay that way indefinitely or until they finally……….
Teacher: Until they are noticed, yes
Teacher: Until they are noticed, yes
Charles Abraham, I am Charles. Am I right in [[understanding]], you virtually said at one [[stage]], in my [[words]], that the soul could feel it were in the wrong classroom, as it were?
Teacher: Correct.
Teacher: Correct.
"And also the other thing I wanted to ask is, certain animals feel vibrations of seeming doom and tend to react accordingly, I wondered whether humankind also, if each ore of us could feel a certain feeling at a time a vibration, was right and cut the cord,
"And also the other thing I wanted to ask is, certain animals feel [[vibrations]] of seeming [[doom]] and tend to react accordingly, I [[wondered]] whether [[humankind]] also, if each ore of us could feel a certain [[feeling]] at a time a [[vibration]], was right and cut the cord,
Teacher: This is, yes.
Teacher: This is, yes.
"I would think every human being would feel, what we call depression at more than one occasion in their life & come close to this, would this be one of the lessons of our life-?
"I would [[think]] every [[human being]] would feel, what we call [[depression]] at more than one occasion in their life & come close to this, would this be one of the lessons of our life-?
Teacher: Yes. I have speaked before times of the trough, yes. It is usual to be followed by the crest of the wave. Yes. There are those persons who are unable to rise from the trough, yes.
Teacher: Yes. I have spoken before times of the trough, yes. It is usual to be followed by the crest of the [[wave]]. Yes. There are those persons who are unable to rise from the trough, yes.
Belinda I am Belinda, what of those people who try & commit suicide and don't succeed, perhaps come back to consciousness, and perhaps try it again, keep coming back & suffering all the time ?
Belinda I am Belinda, what of those people who try & commit [[suicide]] and don't succeed, perhaps come back to [[consciousness]], and perhaps try it again, keep coming back & [[suffering]] all the time ?
Teacher: It is their choice. Suicide is a call for help.
Teacher: It is their [[choice]]. [[Suicide]] is a call for help.
A person in great pain & fear unable to articulate the pain, fear, yes. At time many remain un-noticed by persons in the physical. yes.
A [[person]] in great [[pain]] & [[fear]] unable to articulate the pain, fear, yes. At time many remain un-noticed by [[persons]] in the [[physical]]. yes.
Charles Abraham, does this have parallels with people who actually create their own [[illness]] and distress? In other words someone that is [[suicidal]], is just a further on extension of someone forming their own [[cancer]] or something of that [[nature]],?
Teacher: It is a possibility. You see, when a person is of a disposition to be in pain & fear, the aura is almost invisible. There is little warmth from the body, physically, mentally or emotionally & certainly spiritually. You are understanding. Often these persons are shunned by friends, relatives, yes, not understanding, yes.
Teacher: It is a [[possibility]]. You see, when a person is of a disposition to be in [[pain]] & [[fear]], the [[aura]] is almost invisible. There is little warmth from the [[body]], [[physically]], mentally or [[emotionally]] & certainly [[spiritually]]. You are [[understanding]]. Often these [[persons]] are shunned by [[friends]], [[relatives]], yes, not [[understanding]], yes.
Teacher: You are all writing?
Teacher: You are all [[writing]]?
Some are,
Some are,
No, we are coping quite well.
No, we are coping quite well.
Filip I am Filip. We spoke our last [[appointment]] about things built on [[earth]] by previous [[civilizations]]. I have undertaken much foraging in the last period. Have the [[Watchers]] given information to certain people....
CORRECT
CORRECT
and Albert Einstein would be one of these people?
and [[Albert Einstein]] would be one of these people?
I believe so.
I believe so.
He actually said that he had a direct line with what would appear to be a higher consciousness I've read. I was just wondering if there was somebody, or maybe even yourself, that was, that taught him about relativity.
He actually said that he had a direct line with what would appear to be a [[higher consciousness]] I've read. I was just wondering if there was somebody, or maybe even yourself, that was, that taught him about [[relativity]].
He was also aware of the watchers, yes. As are
Teacher: Yes. He was in contact with [[higher consciousness]].
many persons.
He was also aware of the [[watchers]], yes. As are many persons.
"And then going back through our earth history to the pyramids & Stonehenge & the other things we spoke about, the watchers imparted information to those people that we have no record of now, is that correct. So there are still lessons in the pyramids and Stonehenge are the ones I've read about, that we could still find are there,?
"And then going back through our earth [[history]] to the [[pyramids]] & [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge Stonehenge] & the other things we spoke about, the [[watchers]] imparted [[information]] to those people that we have no [[record]] of now, is that correct. So there are still lessons in the [[pyramids]] and Stonehenge are the ones I've read about, that we could still find are there,?
Teacher: Correct.
Teacher: Correct.