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MMc:  No, you are not wrong, but it is the cost of this healthcare that is borne by the individual and….

MMc:  No, you are not wrong, but it is the cost of this healthcare that is borne by the individual and….

*Who is responsible for the cost of healthcare?

*Who is responsible for the cost of healthcare?

MONJORONSON:  Your focus is on the wrong elements.  The cost is not the business of the individual; you are principally dealing with an immoral service to the public.  You remember, many decades ago where there was a charge for using public toilets, and that you were prevented from using public toilets if you did not have the money to pay for it, but your bodily functions were still going to function.  It is as immoral to charge—make profit—on medical services.  Everyone has a body, everyone has health issues—positive and negative—and these cannot be stopped.  That industry, typical in this country, the United States, is immoral; it is founded upon the business principle of profiting from the illnesses of individuals’ bodies. This is completely unsustainable and immoral.  The ethics of it are horrendous and destructive to individuals, and sets an immoral model for legitimate business.  

MONJORONSON:  Your focus is on the wrong elements.  The cost is not the business of the individual; you are principally dealing with an immoral service to the public.  You remember, many decades ago where there was a charge for using public toilets, and that you were prevented from using public toilets if you did not have the money to pay for it, but your bodily functions were still going to function.  It is as immoral to charge—make profit—on medical services.  Everyone has a body, everyone has health issues—positive and negative—and these cannot be stopped.  That industry, typical in this country, the United States, is immoral; it is founded upon the business principle of profiting from the illnesses of individuals’ bodies. This is completely unsustainable and immoral.  The ethics of it are horrendous and destructive to individuals, and sets an immoral model for legitimate business.  

   

   

The underlying assumption of healthcare is that it is a business.  It is not a business!  It is a “right” to have healthcare.  If you fall out of an apple tree and break your arm, you will need to have it set and go upon your way.  The American model of healthcare is inherently pernicious, destructive and victimizing.  It victimizes everyone if you have a body, and of course, everyone has one, so you are all victimized.  The wealthy are victimized and so are the poor.  This paradigm of medical care must change.  This change will occur in the coming decade in your nation, along with many other public concerns.  It is one where there will be a tremendous revolution.  You will eventually see the destruction of hospitals in your media.  This will be most unfortunate, as it will limit healthcare even further.  

The underlying assumption of healthcare is that it is a business.  It is not a business!  It is a “right” to have healthcare.  If you fall out of an apple tree and break your arm, you will need to have it set and go upon your way.  The American model of healthcare is inherently pernicious, destructive and victimizing.  It victimizes everyone if you have a body, and of course, everyone has one, so you are all victimized.  The wealthy are victimized and so are the poor.  This paradigm of medical care must change.  This change will occur in the coming decade in your nation, along with many other public concerns.  It is one where there will be a tremendous revolution.  You will eventually see the destruction of hospitals in your media.  This will be most unfortunate, as it will limit healthcare even further.  

*There is a time for death

*There is a time for death

There is a second issue concerning life in your nation, and that is [that] death is the anathema of everything, yet death for those who are in serious physical trauma is a wonderful, loving, caring exit.  There is a time for death and there is not a time for death.  When you have lived a full life and you are now physically debilitated, mentally debilitated, death is a wonderful option.  Those who are in agony need an exit besides a continuous morphine drip.  This must change, it will change and it will change because it will be abhorred, loathed and in contempt by the majority of the masses who are without healthcare.

There is a second issue concerning life in your nation, and that is [that] death is the anathema of everything, yet death for those who are in serious physical trauma is a wonderful, loving, caring exit.  There is a time for death and there is not a time for death.  When you have lived a full life and you are now physically debilitated, mentally debilitated, death is a wonderful option.  Those who are in agony need an exit besides a continuous morphine drip.  This must change, it will change and it will change because it will be abhorred, loathed and in contempt by the majority of the masses who are without healthcare.

*Extreme individualism

*Extreme individualism

There is a further aspect that is cultural and peculiar to this nation, and that is the extreme individualism that is rampant in your society.  We have spoken of this before, where individuals have far too much independence and aloofness from their society.  This engenders tremendous egoism on the part of the individual so that they are [the] primary, primo individual, who must come first in all things and that they cannot succumb to death as do the masses, but [in] that eventuality, it comes for everyone.  This is a cultural trait as well, for your nation, and this too must change.  There must come about the integration of the individual as unique in a family, dependent upon the family and the family is dependent upon the individual.  This is a family dynamic which needs to be developed in your nation.  

There is a further aspect that is cultural and peculiar to this nation, and that is the extreme individualism that is rampant in your society.  We have spoken of this before, where individuals have far too much independence and aloofness from their society.  This engenders tremendous egoism on the part of the individual so that they are [the] primary, primo individual, who must come first in all things and that they cannot succumb to death as do the masses, but [in] that eventuality, it comes for everyone.  This is a cultural trait as well, for your nation, and this too must change.  There must come about the integration of the individual as unique in a family, dependent upon the family and the family is dependent upon the individual.  This is a family dynamic which needs to be developed in your nation.  

   

   

MMc:  Thank you.  Most of my questions today have to do with how broken it is and hoping that you might see some way that we can go about correcting it in an incremental manner, but to hear you talk, it seems like what we need to do is actually scrap the system and rebuild it from the ground up.  Am I correct in that assumption?

MMc:  Thank you.  Most of my questions today have to do with how broken it is and hoping that you might see some way that we can go about correcting it in an incremental manner, but to hear you talk, it seems like what we need to do is actually scrap the system and rebuild it from the ground up.  Am I correct in that assumption?

*A change from profit motive to service motive

*A change from profit motive to service motive

MONJORONSON:  That is exactly right.  It needs to be changed from a profit motive to a service motive, and that the profits not be owned by a corporation, but as a quasi-national healthcare organization that is also not governmental.  It is important that this not become a governmental function, but that simply new laws be devised that bring about the development of non-profit health organizations.  The distribution of profits in the form of dividends is not much different than many illegal activities.  This is “blood money” at it’s worst, in the form of healthy, helpful healthcare.  Many healthcare stockholders are not aware of this immoral activity.  It must be moved in the general public’s mind, that this model is unsustainable, further it is immoral, and needs to be organized in a way that is not in the hands of corporations who can manipulate legislators and congress through powerful lobbies, money and influence—and that is another topic as well.

MONJORONSON:  That is exactly right.  It needs to be changed from a profit motive to a service motive, and that the profits not be owned by a corporation, but as a quasi-national healthcare organization that is also not governmental.  It is important that this not become a governmental function, but that simply new laws be devised that bring about the development of non-profit health organizations.  The distribution of profits in the form of dividends is not much different than many illegal activities.  This is “blood money” at it’s worst, in the form of healthy, helpful healthcare.  Many healthcare stockholders are not aware of this immoral activity.  It must be moved in the general public’s mind, that this model is unsustainable, further it is immoral, and needs to be organized in a way that is not in the hands of corporations who can manipulate legislators and congress through powerful lobbies, money and influence—and that is another topic as well.

*Healthcare as a supportive element of societal sustainability  

*Healthcare as a supportive element of societal sustainability  

You see, you must begin to think of healthcare as a supportive element of societal sustainability, not short term, but in the long term of 50 years, a hundred years, 250, 500 years. How does healthcare fit into this picture?  You would need to project or devise a vision for healthcare 500 years from now, and use the schematic of sustainability to begin designing that state.  And then of course, you would need sociologists, economists and cultural anthropologists to help you stage the incremental developments that would lead to it, and stepping it back to the current time.  This is how you devise and design sustainable healthcare.  What would healthcare look like 500 years from now?  Would there only be one healthcare corporation that would hostage ill people, sick people, injured people, for their life savings, their life’s income for their healing?  Certainly not, as there would be “blood in the streets” because of that position, wouldn’t there?  No, it must be something different.  What you are seeing here in this nation through its healthcare system, is the development of a healthcare process, service, that can be revised through a new modality of sustainability in healthcare.  Similarly as education, there is no need to build different hospitals or schools; it is simply that you have different activities go on within those areas.  Healthcare and education are very similarly dysfunctional and irrational at some degree, in your nation and need to be radically revised.

You see, you must begin to think of healthcare as a supportive element of societal sustainability, not short term, but in the long term of 50 years, a hundred years, 250, 500 years. How does healthcare fit into this picture?  You would need to project or devise a vision for healthcare 500 years from now, and use the schematic of sustainability to begin designing that state.  And then of course, you would need sociologists, economists and cultural anthropologists to help you stage the incremental developments that would lead to it, and stepping it back to the current time.  This is how you devise and design sustainable healthcare.  What would healthcare look like 500 years from now?  Would there only be one healthcare corporation that would hostage ill people, sick people, injured people, for their life savings, their life’s income for their healing?  Certainly not, as there would be “blood in the streets” because of that position, wouldn’t there?  No, it must be something different.  What you are seeing here in this nation through its healthcare system, is the development of a healthcare process, service, that can be revised through a new modality of sustainability in healthcare.  Similarly as education, there is no need to build different hospitals or schools; it is simply that you have different activities go on within those areas.  Healthcare and education are very similarly dysfunctional and irrational at some degree, in your nation and need to be radically revised.

*Healthcare designed by co-creative design teams

*Healthcare designed by co-creative design teams

MMc:  I am not aware of any co-creative design teams that have worked on healthcare at this time.  (Monjoronson:  Unfortunately!)  Yes.  But I believe that one of the values necessary for sustainability would be quality of healthcare for everyone.

MMc:  I am not aware of any co-creative design teams that have worked on healthcare at this time.  (Monjoronson:  Unfortunately!)  Yes.  But I believe that one of the values necessary for sustainability would be quality of healthcare for everyone.

   

   

MMc:  I understand, yes.

MMc:  I understand, yes.

MONJORONSON:  Do you understand the concept of remote computing?  Where an agency that has a huge mathematical problem uses the computer services of volunteers around the nation, and connects the computing power of hundreds, if not thousands of computers, throughout the 50 States, for example, to use them in unison for resolving highly complex and detailed computations for the resolution on huge mathematical problems.

MONJORONSON:  Do you understand the concept of remote computing?  Where an agency that has a huge mathematical problem uses the computer services of volunteers around the nation, and connects the computing power of hundreds, if not thousands of computers, throughout the 50 States, for example, to use them in unison for resolving highly complex and detailed computations for the resolution on huge mathematical problems.

   

   

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Certainly.  Take your time.

MONJORONSON:  Certainly.  Take your time.

*Looking at alternative forms of medicine  

*Looking at alternative forms of medicine  

MMc:  Anyone from the outside, looking at our transcript would think that we are talking about strictly Western medicine, when we are dealing with healthcare.  Healthcare in the United States is basically Western medicine.  Alternative medicine is making some advent here, but there is one aspect of this that I think will be significant 500 years from now, that is not significant at the moment, and that is “spiritual healing.”  About a year ago, I became a part of a group of spiritual healers and working with this group, has been of benefit to some very ill people.  I have seen modest improvements in their physical symptoms, like pain and disability, also improvement in their emotional symptoms, and the increase of spirituality, not only for our patients, but for those among the group.  I believe that our abilities as healers are improving, and I believe that this form of healing will be used more and more in the future.  Would you care to comment?

MMc:  Anyone from the outside, looking at our transcript would think that we are talking about strictly Western medicine, when we are dealing with healthcare.  Healthcare in the United States is basically Western medicine.  Alternative medicine is making some advent here, but there is one aspect of this that I think will be significant 500 years from now, that is not significant at the moment, and that is “spiritual healing.”  About a year ago, I became a part of a group of spiritual healers and working with this group, has been of benefit to some very ill people.  I have seen modest improvements in their physical symptoms, like pain and disability, also improvement in their emotional symptoms, and the increase of spirituality, not only for our patients, but for those among the group.  I believe that our abilities as healers are improving, and I believe that this form of healing will be used more and more in the future.  Would you care to comment?

   

   

MMc:  Monjoronson, you have given us quite a bit to think about.  I have some other questions friends have sent me on various other topics.  Would you like to get into that today, or would you….  (Monjoronson:  Certainly.)

MMc:  Monjoronson, you have given us quite a bit to think about.  I have some other questions friends have sent me on various other topics.  Would you like to get into that today, or would you….  (Monjoronson:  Certainly.)

*The growing trend of fundamentalism  

*The growing trend of fundamentalism  

Militaristic religion and the coercion existent in some countries have eliminated religious freedom in many parts of the world.  How can we counter the growing trend of fundamentalism among religious leaders?

Militaristic religion and the coercion existent in some countries have eliminated religious freedom in many parts of the world.  How can we counter the growing trend of fundamentalism among religious leaders?

   

   

That all must contribute to the sustainability of your world, socially.  And, I am reluctant to use the term “true religion”, but earnest, honest and sustainable religion tenets will prove themselves to be infinite in term and infinite in capacity to support your societies.  What I am speaking about is a huge global, cultural revolution where all aspects of your societies are brought into question as to their sustainability.  You will see, when this becomes a wildfire of activity, the proving and disproving of various beliefs, which are in error, whether they have been held tightly to a belief system for decades or centuries or millennia, that it will be shown that they are not sustainable, while others are shown to be sustainable.  I will give you an example:  The aspect of one single gender clergy is worthy of being the primary educators, holders and performers of religious ritual, is unsustainable, because it violates the aspect of equality of individuals.  It violates the quality of life and of growth, where both genders have this identical capacity spiritually to demonstrate their capacities to be wonderful educators and conveyors or religious rituals, ceremonies, procedures and truths.  These will come into question, as will many others.  

That all must contribute to the sustainability of your world, socially.  And, I am reluctant to use the term “true religion”, but earnest, honest and sustainable religion tenets will prove themselves to be infinite in term and infinite in capacity to support your societies.  What I am speaking about is a huge global, cultural revolution where all aspects of your societies are brought into question as to their sustainability.  You will see, when this becomes a wildfire of activity, the proving and disproving of various beliefs, which are in error, whether they have been held tightly to a belief system for decades or centuries or millennia, that it will be shown that they are not sustainable, while others are shown to be sustainable.  I will give you an example:  The aspect of one single gender clergy is worthy of being the primary educators, holders and performers of religious ritual, is unsustainable, because it violates the aspect of equality of individuals.  It violates the quality of life and of growth, where both genders have this identical capacity spiritually to demonstrate their capacities to be wonderful educators and conveyors or religious rituals, ceremonies, procedures and truths.  These will come into question, as will many others.  

*Evolution, not revolution

*Evolution, not revolution

It will become quite a storm—cultural storm—that you will see within many professional fields, when they become questioned, when public policies, religious beliefs and economic beliefs, and so on, come into question from the aspect of sustainability.  It will be great fun for intellectual rebels; it will be great fun for evolutionaries—I say evolutionaries, rather than revolutionaries, because they will be bringing the new era, the new paradigms into existence, where if you are going to refute the truths, the beliefs that have been long-held for centuries, then you must as well develop replacement beliefs that will last for millennia, and for the duration of civilization.

It will become quite a storm—cultural storm—that you will see within many professional fields, when they become questioned, when public policies, religious beliefs and economic beliefs, and so on, come into question from the aspect of sustainability.  It will be great fun for intellectual rebels; it will be great fun for evolutionaries—I say evolutionaries, rather than revolutionaries, because they will be bringing the new era, the new paradigms into existence, where if you are going to refute the truths, the beliefs that have been long-held for centuries, then you must as well develop replacement beliefs that will last for millennia, and for the duration of civilization.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  You will see a springtime of freshness around the world.  The phenomena that you are witnessing in the Middle East and Arab countries, will be typical of what will occur around the world.  This is a social evolutionary development, which is unstoppable.  As education becomes more endemic to all populations, you will see that those cultures/societies, which are less capable than older societies, will leap into their new paradigms more quickly.  It is similar to what happens in a large family with numerous children, that younger children see the mistakes and successes of older children, and avoid those mistakes and go directly to the successes.  So too, will societies around the world change as education becomes much more common to all populations.  

MONJORONSON:  You will see a springtime of freshness around the world.  The phenomena that you are witnessing in the Middle East and Arab countries, will be typical of what will occur around the world.  This is a social evolutionary development, which is unstoppable.  As education becomes more endemic to all populations, you will see that those cultures/societies, which are less capable than older societies, will leap into their new paradigms more quickly.  It is similar to what happens in a large family with numerous children, that younger children see the mistakes and successes of older children, and avoid those mistakes and go directly to the successes.  So too, will societies around the world change as education becomes much more common to all populations.  

*A change from quantitative to qualitative life

*A change from quantitative to qualitative life

The development of the Internet is one of the most important facilitators of this development, as now all information is accessible to everyone.  There are certain societies, certain political regimes that are unsustainable.  All dictatorships, all totalitarian, all fundamentally communist political regimes are politically unsustainable.  They are unsustainable for the same reasons that your economy is unsustainable as a culture, because it is dependent upon the mistaken quantitative interpretation of life that you attain more value as you accumulate money and material wealth.  What you are seeing in this springtime is the qualitative change that is infusing all of those populations.  This simply cannot be stopped.  When there is one success, as you have seen in Tunisia, you will see in Syria eventually.  This will lead to one more success.  

The development of the Internet is one of the most important facilitators of this development, as now all information is accessible to everyone.  There are certain societies, certain political regimes that are unsustainable.  All dictatorships, all totalitarian, all fundamentally communist political regimes are politically unsustainable.  They are unsustainable for the same reasons that your economy is unsustainable as a culture, because it is dependent upon the mistaken quantitative interpretation of life that you attain more value as you accumulate money and material wealth.  What you are seeing in this springtime is the qualitative change that is infusing all of those populations.  This simply cannot be stopped.  When there is one success, as you have seen in Tunisia, you will see in Syria eventually.  This will lead to one more success.  

   

   

The hierarchical schedule of fulfilling human needs, as Maslow described, will continue on, and your societies will move from one rung to another more quickly, as the lower rungs in societies become educated and fulfilled in that regard.  You see that sustainability is a “must” that will engender further efforts of quality in the lives of individuals.  Even today in very wealthy countries, you see young individuals who have control of many millions of dollars, and can do anything they wish; they could go on an around the world two-year tour, and come back with more money in their accounts than when they left, but yet, they are lacking meaning, substance, fulfillment, contentment and happiness.  They still wonder who they are.  This is simply an outcome, a development that the quantitative measures of life are unsustainable and unfulfilling.  You have seen in other cultures—Eastern cultures—where there are individuals who are incredibly poor, but they have a life of meaning, who have a wealth of quality in their life and in their personal relationships, and their own life within themselves, as having a life that is meaningful, fulfilling and contributing to the welfare of others in very positive ways. Wealth is not a measure of that, but there must eventually become an amalgamation between this quality and quantity of life and living, so that everyone is able to have access to the material necessities that support the development of a quality life.

The hierarchical schedule of fulfilling human needs, as Maslow described, will continue on, and your societies will move from one rung to another more quickly, as the lower rungs in societies become educated and fulfilled in that regard.  You see that sustainability is a “must” that will engender further efforts of quality in the lives of individuals.  Even today in very wealthy countries, you see young individuals who have control of many millions of dollars, and can do anything they wish; they could go on an around the world two-year tour, and come back with more money in their accounts than when they left, but yet, they are lacking meaning, substance, fulfillment, contentment and happiness.  They still wonder who they are.  This is simply an outcome, a development that the quantitative measures of life are unsustainable and unfulfilling.  You have seen in other cultures—Eastern cultures—where there are individuals who are incredibly poor, but they have a life of meaning, who have a wealth of quality in their life and in their personal relationships, and their own life within themselves, as having a life that is meaningful, fulfilling and contributing to the welfare of others in very positive ways. Wealth is not a measure of that, but there must eventually become an amalgamation between this quality and quantity of life and living, so that everyone is able to have access to the material necessities that support the development of a quality life.

*Astral travel

*Astral travel

MMc:  Is there a difference between the astral plane and morontia realms?

MMc:  Is there a difference between the astral plane and morontia realms?

MMc:  That completes my questions for today.  I would certainly like to thank you, Monjoronson, for your comments and your frankness today.  The fact that you have been willing to expand on some of these issues and give us a little more understanding about what we will see in the immediate future and what we need to do with changing our healthcare system, and elaborating for us on consciousness, so that we might see some of the things that are now open to us, that have previously been closed.  Thank you very much!

MMc:  That completes my questions for today.  I would certainly like to thank you, Monjoronson, for your comments and your frankness today.  The fact that you have been willing to expand on some of these issues and give us a little more understanding about what we will see in the immediate future and what we need to do with changing our healthcare system, and elaborating for us on consciousness, so that we might see some of the things that are now open to us, that have previously been closed.  Thank you very much!

*Is there anything that you would like to say before we close?

*Is there anything that you would like to say before we close?

===Closing===

===Closing===

MONJORONSON:  I would like to provide the closing for you then.  Christ Michael told you that when in confusion, you were welcome to take on his mind, the mind of Christ.  Through this mind of Christ you can be in partnership to explore your world, and to bring about a great improvement in your world through your dedication, commitment and of service to your world. He is your “Host”; he is your guide in life; he is your example; he is your Creator, and he is your brother—all these things and more.  We are here to assist him in the full development of the inhabited worlds of his domain of Nebadon, for service to his worlds and to the journey of ascendant souls to Havona, to be in union with our Creator, the First Source and Center, for our ultimate service.  And so, I hope you will give thanks for this journey, as I do, and for the experience of being here with you to share these insights.  They may assist you to begin the hard work of reinventing your societies, to move toward sustainability to lives of quality that contribute to the ascendancy and growth of all souls, whether they are believers now or not. So we give thanks to your efforts.  Good day.

MONJORONSON:  I would like to provide the closing for you then.  Christ Michael told you that when in confusion, you were welcome to take on his mind, the mind of Christ.  Through this mind of Christ you can be in partnership to explore your world, and to bring about a great improvement in your world through your dedication, commitment and of service to your world. He is your “Host”; he is your guide in life; he is your example; he is your Creator, and he is your brother—all these things and more.  We are here to assist him in the full development of the inhabited worlds of his domain of Nebadon, for service to his worlds and to the journey of ascendant souls to Havona, to be in union with our Creator, the First Source and Center, for our ultimate service.  And so, I hope you will give thanks for this journey, as I do, and for the experience of being here with you to share these insights.  They may assist you to begin the hard work of reinventing your societies, to move toward sustainability to lives of quality that contribute to the ascendancy and growth of all souls, whether they are believers now or not. So we give thanks to your efforts.  Good day.