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June 27, 1993
June 27, 1993
===Opening===
===Opening===
Greetings, this is Elyon. I wish to tell you how much joy I feel from you all, how much freer you
Greetings, this is Elyon. I wish to tell you how much [[joy]] I [[feel]] from you all, how much freer you
are all beginning to be. It somewhat may not be noticeable by you that you are definitely
are all beginning to be. It somewhat may not be noticeable by you that you are definitely
becoming freer beings, freer in your thinking processes, freer in your love for each other. You are
becoming freer [[beings]], freer in your thinking [[processes]], freer in your [[love]] for each other. You are
becoming boundless in your adventure on Urantia. Continue to allow openings, for they come to
becoming boundless in your [[adventure]] on [[Urantia]]. Continue to allow openings, for they come to
you as you choose, and by allowing you can be relieved of much stress.
you as you [[choose]], and by allowing you can be relieved of much [[stress]].
===='''''[[Apostleship]]'''''====
I would like to talk to you today about the [[duties]] of an [[apostle]]. There is a quickening, and we [[the
teachers]] are told that we must [[prepare]] you to be ready, for there is much to be done. Through
your openings and your [[commitments]] you will be called upon and maybe with short notice. Be
[[free]] from the stresses of [[judgment]], of [[unworthiness]]. Be free from the [[society]]-ridden [[belief]]
systems that continue on and are [[difficult]] to get away from. They keep popping up everyday and
one can easily be caught in them. Keep yourselves [[prepared]] that you could be taken out of this.
By going out and showing what you have [[experienced]] and know of the [[truth]] of [[God]]'s [[love]] that
you will be [[lonely]], you will be on the sidelines of what the main [[belief]] system is.
Fill people's [[hearts]] with the knowing that they matter, that they do not have to go through [[life]]
[[thinking]] that they are being judged by [[God]] for their [[actions]]. You will be able to teach them of the
[[values]] of the [[Urantia Book]], of the [[ascension]] levels, of the correcting periods, but not of the
[[judgment]] that they now [[believe]] in. This is such a major [[fear]] among many and draws them inward,
not allowing the fullness of [[God]]'s [[love]] to fill them. They are not really able to [[express]] their true
[[feelings]] as they feel they cannot go against what the main [[belief]] system is. Many search, many
grasp, many want a refreshing new [[concept]] to pull into their [[hearts]], to mobilize them into [[action]],
to further the [[quest]] of [[the mission]].
It is [[difficult]] to know when to verbalize your [[beliefs]] to another, to verbalize your [[truths]] to another
for it is a huge [[risk]]. And you may be [[surprised]] how many are truly searching. If they are totally in
their [[belief]] systems they keep themselves in a rut and seem to be disbelieving of what you are
saying. You are planting [[seeds]] which may, down the road for them, be a small flicker of [[light]].
They well start to [[wonder]] and search. This will not happen for all but for some you must take the
[[risk]]. This can be done through [[love]] rather than through [[control]], for if you are trying to control
another into the way you [[believe]], it will never work. But through [[love]] they will [[feel]] it as being
love, and they will feel it coming from someone who truly [[cares]] and that this someone is not just
It is difficult to know when to verbalize your beliefs to another, to verbalize your truths to another
for it is a huge risk. And you may be surprised how many are truly searching. If they are totally in
their belief systems they keep themselves in a rut and seem to be disbelieving of what you are
saying. You are planting seeds which may, down the road for them, be a small flicker of light.
They well start to wonder and search. This will not happen for all but for some you must take the
risk. This can be done through love rather than through control, for if you are trying to control
another into the way you believe, it will never work. But through love they will feel it as being
love, and they will feel it coming from someone who truly cares and that this someone is not just
trying to push something on them.
trying to push something on them.
Tiny seeds rather than large concepts, two words, three words, a tiny sentence. Maybe at times all
Tiny [[seeds]] rather than large [[concepts]], [[two]] [[words]], [[three]] words, a tiny sentence. Maybe at times all
you have to say is "God is love, you are His child, you are His son, you are His daughter. He
you have to say is "[[God]] is [[love]], you are His child, you are His son, you are His daughter. He
loves you and wants only love and happiness for you." Take away this belief that everyone is
[[loves]] you and wants only love and [[happiness]] for you." Take away this [[belief]] that everyone is
being judged, not being able to get past the guilt that they feel for living, and know that life is but
being [[judged]], not being able to get past the [[guilt]] that they [[feel]] for living, and know that life is but
experiences to learn from, to gain from. And through experiences there may be errors made, sins
[[experiences]] to learn from, to gain from. And through [[experiences]] there may be [[errors]] made, [[sins]]
even, and that through this one can learn, one can turn to the Father for forgiveness.
even, and that through this one can [[learn]], one can turn to [[the Father]] for [[forgiveness]].
I want to impress upon you that you have a lot of help from this side and you are constantly being
I want to [[impress]] upon you that you have a lot of help from this side and you are constantly being
guided and directed and wrapped in love. We cannot protect you from things happening to you
[[guided]] and directed and wrapped in [[love]]. We cannot [[protect]] you from things happening to you
that go with the everyday life experiences. We cannot protect you from death if that should occur
that go with the everyday life [[experiences]]. We cannot protect you from [[death]] if that should occur
through some means. We can and are giving you all we can give you. To tune into this love that
through some means. We can and are giving you all we can give you. To [[tune]] into this [[love]] that
abounds about you will help you to release your obstacles. Through your dual nature there will be
abounds about you will help you to release your [[obstacles]]. Through your [[dual]] [[nature]] there will be
obstacles daily, but they can become less and less of importance, not being the controlling factor
[[obstacles]] daily, but they can become less and less of importance, not being the [[controlling]] [[factor]]
that they once were in your lives. Direct your focus and your intent upon this mission, choose
that they once were in your lives. Direct your [[focus]] and your [[intent]] upon [[this mission]], choose
during your days your risks, and know that by risking you will open up more and more. You will
during your days your [[risks]], and know that by risking you will open up more and more. You will
find that what you believe to be difficult is not to have the words catch in your throat from fear,
find that what you [[believe]] to be difficult is not to have the [[words]] catch in your throat from [[fear]],
but to allow them out.
but to allow them out.
And when you feel someone needs your love and comfort do not be afraid to give it to them.
And when you feel someone needs your [[love]] and [[comfort]] do not be [[afraid]] to give it to them.
They may not respond in a manner you would have wished, but know that you did the will of
They may not [[respond]] in a [[manner]] you would have wished, but know that you [[Doing the will of God|did the will of
God. Doing without recognition will fill your soul with much growth, much expansion.
God]]. Doing without [[recognition]] will fill your [[soul]] with much [[growth]], much expansion.
I want you to think upon these things this week and observe your actions, when you are risking
I want you to [[think]] upon these things this week and [[observe]] your [[actions]], when you are risking
and when you are not. And keep in mind when you are doing it from love and when you are doing
and when you are not. And keep in [[mind]] when you are doing it from [[love]] and when you are doing
it from an ego manner, that you may feel this other person must believe the way you do. That is
it from an [[ego]] [[manner]], that you may feel this other person must believe the way you do. That is
not what this is about, rather sharing with them, risking to share, and discerning how far to go
not what this is about, rather [[sharing]] with them, risking to [[share]], and [[discerning]] how far to go
with your sharing.
with your sharing.
I will now accept questions.
I will now [[accept]] [[questions]].
===Dialogue===
===Dialogue===
Student #1: I would like to welcome you to our home. I would like to express my desire to be more
Student #1: I would like to [[welcome]] you to our [[home]]. I would like to [[express]] my [[desire]] to be more
representative of the Father's will in my life. I shortly will be coming into contact with a lot of
[[representative]] of [[the Father]]'s will in my [[life]]. I shortly will be coming into [[contact]] with a lot of
people and I would like to be more of an instrument of the Father's peace. I will look towards you
people, and I would like to be more of an instrument of the Father's [[peace]]. I will look towards you
and the Father and others around me for guidance and help. I hope I can be an example of the
and the Father and others around me for [[guidance]] and help. I [[hope]] I can be an example of the
Father's love whenever possible.
Father's [[love]] whenever possible.
Elyon: This is noted and you are indeed changing and growing. You have an energy surging
Elyon: This is noted and you are indeed [[changing]] and [[growing]]. You have an [[energy]] surging
through you. You are beginning to understand and realize the full importance of this.
through you. You are beginning to [[understand]] and realize the full importance of this.
Be kind to yourself. Allow yourself the time and room that you need in order to reach your goal,
Be [[kind]] to yourself. Allow yourself the time and room that you need in order to reach your [[goal]],
for if you leave yourself in the background and try to accomplish this, it will not work. I will
for if you leave yourself in the background and try to accomplish this, it will not work. I will
gently remind you once again to love yourself and realize how important you are to you.
gently remind you once again to [[love]] yourself and [[realize]] how important you are to you.
===='''''[[Demonstration]]'''''====
Student #2: I have a question in regard to your lesson today. I am interested in the [[topic]] "the [[duties]] of an
[[apostle]]" because I have been [[wondering]] about that for myself, wondering what it is I should be
doing. My answer is that you should just go about your daily life trying to live it well. From your
talk I think I [[understand]] that we should be looking for more [[opportunities]] to [[risk]] putting our
[[beliefs]] forth to people that may benefit. Is it true that one of the things that people most need to
know is that [[God]] is not [[judging]] them? That we make [[mistakes]] and learn from our mistakes and
not to [[regret]] them? Is this what we need to [[point]] out to people?
Elyon: Yes. Through your daily [[actions]] you can portray to others that [[God]] is [[love]]. You are
God-like in the [[manner]] of loving everyone unconditionally without exception when you are not
[[offended]] by another's [[actions]] and [[accept]] them without [[judgment]]. This gives them an [[idea]] of what
unconditional love truly is. When it comes from the [[heart]] it is felt by another. So many are so shut
down with so many walls up around them that they are [[defensive]] of anything that comes up
before them. But if it is done in this [[manner]] they may be defensive, but they do indeed notice the
[[difference]].
Reach out and tell others that [[God]] is [[love]], that God is [[the Father]] of [[mercy]], that God does not
God-like in the manner of loving everyone unconditionally without exception when you are not
[[judge]], God is not a respecter of people. Plant the [[seeds]] if only in passing. Plant a seed for
someone who is so caught up in the [[belief]] system that God is judging them and [[condemning]] them.
This may be like a [[breath]] of fresh [[air]] for them for it may be something that they have wanted to
[[believe]] for a long time but would not allow themselves. If someone comes along that has this
[[truth]], they will know that they do not have to be the only one.
Does this help?
Does this help?
Student #2: Yes and I appreciate your choosing that topic today.
Student #2: Yes and I [[appreciate]] your choosing that [[topic]] today.
Student #3: How far is my suspension? Do I get to ask questions or should I continue with my
understanding of the Father?
Student #3: How far is my [[suspension]]? Do I get to ask questions or should I continue with my
[[understanding]] of [[the Father]]?
observations wisely, as it was told to you to seek your Father in every moment that you can.
Focus in on the Father rather than focusing in on what you are not hearing from (teacher).
Elyon: You, my [[friend]], can ask questions. Do not take this as a [[punishment]] but use the
You are greatly loved and this is not an abuse or a slap in the face rather a direction to focus you
[[observations]] wisely, as it was told to you to seek y[[our Father]] in every [[moment]] that you can.
into what our mission is all about; to have a one-on-one personal relationship with the Father and
[[Focus]] in on the Father rather than focusing in on what you are not hearing from (teacher).
You are greatly loved and this is not an [[abuse]] or a slap in the face rather a direction to [[focus]] you
into what [[our mission]] is all about; to have a one-on-one [[personal]] [[relationship]] with [[the Father]] and
to not rely so much upon your teacher but more on the Father. I will allow you your question.
to not rely so much upon your teacher but more on the Father. I will allow you your question.
Student #3: I did want to make an observation on your talking about love from the heart. I never used to
Student #3: I did want to make an [[observation]] on your talking about [[love]] from the [[heart]]. I never used to
know what that meant, "from the heart". I realized when you said that today that I actually know
know what that meant, "from the heart". I [[realized]] when you said that today that I actually know
what that means. More than just love, love from the heart means from the spirit.
what that means. More than just [[love]], love from the heart means from the [[spirit]].
===='''''[[Transmitting]]''''', '''''[[Presence]]'''''====
I would like to know why I get really [[scared]], get the shakes and the shivers during the times when
I'm [[transmitting]] [[Michael]] or [[Machiventa]] or whoever. Could you comment on why I have these
reactions?
I would like to know why I get really scared, get the shakes and the shivers during the times when
Elyon: You are opening up more and [[feeling]] the [[presence]] more, as you all are. We are [[becoming]]
more of a [[presence]] for you rather than just a [[voice]]. You are able to [[discern]] these super-[[energies]]
that are so filled with [[love]] for you that you feel them to your core. This in itself is an opening.
One lesson I gave was about this, to [[feel]] the [[presence]], to be able to know when we're with you,
to know when it is us, when it is [[the Father]], when it is [[Michael]]. And this is happening for all of
you. And I want to add that [[observing]] how you feel, how do you think we must feel in the
presence of these [[supernals]]? We are in [[awe]] also.
Does this help?
Does this help?
Student #3: Yes, it does. So it is more of a reaction on the feeling, like when I get the shakes it's more of a
Student #3: Yes, it does. So it is more of a [[reaction]] on the [[feeling]], like when I get the shakes it's more of a
response to my recognition to the presence. Will ny reaction lessen or will I always be that shaky
[[response]] to my [[recognition]] to the [[presence]]. Will my [[reaction]] lessen or will I always be that shaky
when something like that happens?
when something like that happens?
Elyon: No. Also when someone such as Michael or Machiventa or Abraham comes through, you
Elyon: No. Also when someone such as [[Michael]] or [[Machiventa]] or [[Abraham]] comes through, you
feel more put on the spot for your performance than you do with us, as you feel comfortable and
feel more put on the spot for your [[performance]] than you do with us, as you feel [[comfortable]] and
we are becoming more like a one-on-one friend. You may still regard the others as authority
we are becoming more like a one-on-one [[friend]]. You may still regard the others as [[authority]]
figures which would cause reactions also. Allow this to not be so, for they do not intend this.
figures which would cause reactions also. Allow this to not be so, for they do not intend this.
Does this help?
Does this help?
Student #3: Yes. Thank you very much.
Student #3: Yes. Thank you very much.
Student #4: Elyon, with your talk today I realized that I still have difficulty knowing when it is time to talk
Student #4: Elyon, with your talk today I [[realized]] that I still have [[difficulty]] knowing when it is time to talk
to people, friends, relatives. A woman was going to commit suicide and I was called in to talk
to people, [[friends]], relatives. A woman was going to commit [[suicide]] and I was called in to talk
with her. I didn't know what to say at all so I just kept calling to God and telling Him He had to
with her. I didn't know what to say at all so I just kept calling to [[God]] and telling Him He had to
be the one that was talking because I didn't know what to do or say. And now I see that when I'm
be the one that was talking because I didn't know what to do or say. And now I see that when I'm
trying to talk to someone I am in my brain trying to think of the right words. I probably should
trying to talk to someone I am in my [[brain]] trying to think of the right [[words]]. I probably should
leave it up to God more. That was a real special time in my life and had a positive outcome. At
leave it up to God more. That was a real special time in my life and had a [[positive]] outcome. At
times I feel that my words just aren't good enough. Do you think I could call upon this more
times I feel that my [[words]] just aren't good enough. Do you think I could call upon this more
often? That God could answer the questions with more enlightenment?
often? That [[God]] could answer the questions with more [[enlightenment]]?
Elyon: The more you open up and tune in to your inner knowing, to your indwelling spirit, the
Elyon: The more you open up and [[tune]] in to your inner knowing, to your [[indwelling spirit]], the
more you allow your indwelling spirit to control your thoughts and your words, the easier it will
more you allow your indwelling spirit to [[control]] your [[thoughts]] and your [[words]], the easier it will
become. When one is put into a position such as this, much like a doctor would have an
become. When one is put into a [[position]] such as this, much like a [[doctor]] would have an
emergency patient that has one second to live and becomes somewhat scrambled as to which
[[emergency]] patient that has one second to live and becomes somewhat scrambled as to which
action to take. For you feel the time is short and this person needs something very beneficial very
[[action]] to take. For you [[feel]] the time is short and this person needs something very beneficial very
fast. Put yourself aside and allow this truth, what you really know, the wisdom within. Your past
fast. Put yourself aside and allow this [[truth]], what you really know, the [[wisdom]] within. Your [[past]]
experiences you can share and relate to this person. Also know that it may not be what they need
[[experiences]] you can [[share]] and relate to this [[person]]. Also know that it may not be what they need
but when doing it like this you are doing the very best that you know how, and you will know
but when doing it like this you are doing the very best that you know how, and you will know
this.
this.
Student #4: Yes, it does. Thanks a lot.
Student #4: Yes, it does. Thanks a lot.
Elyon: Are there any more [[questions]]?
Student #5: In the next few weeks I am not going to be able to attend the meetings as I would like. And I
Student #5: In the next few weeks I am not going to be able to attend the [[meetings]] as I would like. And I
always feel isolated when I'm away from the group, away from you and the others for very long. I
always feel [[isolated]] when I'm away from the [[group]], away from you and the others for very long. I
would just like to say that if there is any way you can be with me while I'm in distant places that I
would just like to say that if there is any way you can be with me while I'm in distant places that I
would welcome that. I hope to have that happen if that is possible.
would welcome that. I [[hope]] to have that happen if that is possible.
Elyon: Yes, most certainly I will be with you at times. This would be an ideal time for you to
Elyon: Yes, most certainly I will be with you at times. This would be an [[ideal]] time for you to
focus in on the Father. Know that even though you are not with the group physically that you are
[[focus]] in on [[the Father]]. Know that even though you are not with the [[group]] [[physically]] that you are
being guided. Your teacher is with you. If you have moments you can attempt to hear his words.
being [[guided]]. Your [[teacher]] is with you. If you have [[moments]] you can attempt to hear his [[words]].
Focus on the Father and allow that guidance, that love, to carry you through, for that is the best
[[Focus]] on [[the Father]] and allow that [[guidance]], that love, to carry you through, for that is the best
that you will get.
that you will get.
===Closing===
===Closing===
My love to you this day. I will be with you all throughout the week. Good bye.
My [[love]] to you this day. I will be with you all throughout the week. [[Good bye]].
==Session 7==
==Session 7==
June 30, 1993
June 30, 1993
