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B1: "Well, that's wonderful. And I was glad to do it and it's great to be back. That is all I have to say. Thank you, Daniel."

B1: "Well, that's wonderful. And I was glad to do it and it's great to be back. That is all I have to say. Thank you, Daniel."

C2: "Daniel, this is C2. I was thinking about the `I AM' thing for a long time and your lesson today reminds me again of how critical I think it is for persons to really believe the `I AM'. You know, to believe that they are part of the `I AM' so they can become; do you know what I am saying?"

Daniel: "Exactly. For you see, in the [[framework]] of the [[mind]] of Urantians there is this concept of first knowing. As you are as a young child you [[observe]] your [[parents]], you watch and you begin to know a lot of things because you see this. But it is not until you are able to [[experience]] the things that you see and [[witness]] and to come into a better [[knowledge]] that you can become. First you [[observe]], you see and you begin to know. As you work through your [[quiet time]] with the [[First Source and Center]], each time you spend in that quiet you allow [[Thought Adjuster|the Spirit]] to become a part of your [[experience]]. And this is the part of your coming into that knowledge and actually [[becoming]]. People say, `Oh, I know I am [[God]]'s child. I know I have this inner light, this [[God]], this [[Indwelling Spirit]]'. They call it many different things. They know that, yet their life goes on day in and day out and they are not filled with inner [[happiness]] or inner [[joy]]. And they [[wonder]] why this [[God]] is forsaking them. The inner joy, that of really knowing and becoming the [[`I AM]]' comes from that daily [[communication]] with the [[First Source and Center]]. For you cannot know [[God]] unless you take the time to sit with Him/Her. And so, yes, my [[friend]], your [[words]] are very [[wise]]. To know is not [[becoming]]; that knowing is but the first step. The becoming takes [[work]], takes [[experience]], takes time, indeed."

Daniel: "Exactly. For you see, in the framework of the mind of Urantians there is this concept of first knowing. As you are as a young child you observe your parents, you watch and you begin to know a lot of things because you see this. But it is not until you are able to experience the things that you see and witness and to come into a better knowledge that you can become. First you observe, you see and you begin to know. As you work through your quiet time with the First Source and Center, each time you spend in that quiet you allow the Spirit to become a part of your experience. And this is the part of your coming into that knowledge and actually becoming. People say, `Oh, I know I am God's child. I know I have this inner light, this God, this Indwelling Spirit'. They call it many different things. They know that, yet their life goes on day in and day out and they are not filled with inner happiness or inner joy. And they wonder why this God is forsaking them. The inner joy, that of really knowing and becoming the `I AM' comes from that daily communication with the First Source and Center. For you cannot know God unless you take the time to sit with Him/Her. And so, yes, my friend, your words are very wise. To know is not becoming; that knowing is but the first step. The becoming takes work, takes experience, takes time, indeed."

C2: "I am just remembering a [[story]] I [[read]] for persons in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction_recovery_groups recovery] in terms of a [[relationship]] with a `[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_power higher power]' and how as they [[described]] that `higher power' one of the [[fallacies]] of that has to do with...there is not a personal [[reciprocal]] [[relationship]]; it is sort of a power that provides certainly [[support]] and [[strength]] but doesn't really involve an interpersonal [[relationship]] and was saying that a higher power has to be able to say, `[[I AM]]', not `I will become who you want me to be'. And I think that is so critical in terms of my own understanding of, as I say, recovering from [[life]]. I really appreciate your lesson and your reminders about the [[I AM]], [[First Source and Center]], but also my [[relationship]] and my [[becoming]] at one with the I AM. Thank you Daniel."

C2: "I am just remembering a story I read for persons in recovery in terms of a relationship with a `higher power' and how as they described that `higher power'one of the fallacies of that has to do with...there is not a personal reciprocal relationship; it is sort of a power that provides certainly support and strength but doesn't really involve an interpersonal relationship and was saying that a higher power has to be able to say, `I AM', not `I will become who you want me to be'. And I think that is so critical in terms of my own understanding of, as I say, recovering from life. I really appreciate your lesson and your reminders about the I AM, First Source and Center, but also my relationship and my becoming at one with the I AM. Thank you Daniel."

Daniel: "And thank you for your words. Indeed, one must begin to come into that [[reality]], that even though you are of [[dual]] nature, you also have within you that [[Thought Adjuster|fragment]] of the [[First Source and Center]]. And it is through this direct [[connection]] with the First Source and Center that you truly are in that [[oneness]]. The I AM is who you are, who you have the [[potential]] of becoming a greater part of. When you begin to make that [[connectedness]], at that point your life will [[change]]. You may not see or feel it [[radically]], but over time you will [[witness]] and know that this [[change]] has occurred; that you are, indeed, forever on a [[path]] that will lead you to fulfilling the greatness of the [[I AM]]."

Daniel: "And thank you for your words. Indeed, one must begin to come into that reality, that even though you are of dual nature, you also have within you that fragment of the First Source and Center. And it is through this direct connection with the First Source and Center that you truly are in that oneness. The I AM is who you are, who you have the potential of becoming a greater part of. When you begin to make that connectedness, at that point your life will change. You may not see or feel it radically, but over time you will witness and know that this change has occurred; that you are, indeed, forever on a path that will lead you to fulfilling the greatness of the I AM."

C2: "Thank you Daniel. It is good to be back."

C2: "Thank you Daniel. It is good to be back."

B1: "Daniel, I have been [[reading]] in the [[Urantia Book]] [[Paper 104|the paper on the triunities and triodities]], (what a heavy paper), and the Book mentions that there are [[seven]] [[triunities]], functional [[relationships]] with the [[First Source and Center]] and other [[Absolutes]] and etc.; and that there eight triunities not mentioned because they are not pertinent to us. And it also talks about the [[fact]] that the [[First Source and Center]] is also the First Source and Center of non-personal [[reality]], is the pattern for the [[Isle of Paradise]] and etc. I guess when we talk about [[God]] we think mostly in [[personal]] terms and yet when I think about this and other aspects, that He is not only the Source of all [[personal]] [[reality]], but also the Source of [[matter]], [[energy]], and etc., it is absolutely overwhelming. In your lessons you haven't dealt with that and I [[assume]] it is because it probably isn't as personal an issue for us. But I thought I would comment that the `[[I AM]]'as I understand the [[Urantia Book]] to teach, is the Source of not only our [[personal]] realities, all personal reality, but also the Source of the [[Impersonal|non-personal]] energy and pattern of [[the universe]]. Would you comment on what you as a [[morontial]] [[being]] feel about the importance of this other non-personal aspect of [[Deity]]. Does it become more important as you [[progress]] toward [[Paradise]] to understand and know that? To me it [[inspires]] [[awe]] and [[wonder]]. That is about all my [[mind]] can understand."

B1: "Daniel, I have been reading in the Urantia Book the paper on the triunities and triodities, (what a heavy paper), and the Book mentions that there are seven triunities, functional relationships with the First Source and Center and other Absolutes and etc.; and that there eight triunities not mentioned because they are not pertinent to us. And it also talks about the fact that the First Source and Center is also the First Source and Center of non-personal reality, is the pattern for the Isle of Paradise and etc. I guess when we talk about God we think mostly in personal terms and yet when I think about this and other aspects, that He is not only the Source of all personal reality, but also the Source of matter, energy, and etc., it is absolutely overwhelming. In your lessons you haven't dealt with that and I assume it is because it probably isn't as personal an issue for us. But I thought I would comment that the `I AM'as I understand the Urantia Book to teach, is the Source of not only our personal realities, all personal reality, but also the Source of the non-personal energy and pattern of the universe. Would you comment on what you as a morontial being feel about the importance of this other non-personal aspect of Deity. Does it become more important as you progress toward Paradise to understand and know that? To me it inspires awe and wonder. That is about all my mind can understand."

Daniel: "It is inconceivable for your [[mind]] pattern at this [[stage]] of your [[development]] to [[understand]] the broadness of the [[First Source and Center]] in any greater detail at this [[point]] in time. For as you see, when you consider [[God]] even on a [[personal]] level in your [[individual]] life it becomes very [[difficult]]. When you see God in [[relationship]] to the people in this room it broadens. As you see it in relation to the countries and [[the planet]] it becomes even mind boggling as V1 has said. And when you [[conceive]] of God being [[personal]] to [[seven superuniverses]] and the [[Outer Space|outlying areas]] it becomes overwhelming to [[understand]] beyond a personal [[explanation]]. But, indeed, in order for the [[I AM]], God, to be complete, must be also the [[Impersonal|non-personal]] of which you have spoken. And as you grow into greater and greater [[ascent]], as that ascent grows and you begin to realize and see broader and with more depth, the [[understanding]] of [[the Father]] on not only a personal basis but a non-personal basis is very, very [[gratifying]]. For the concept of [[God]] becomes more [[harmonious]] in all areas, it becomes very circular; that you cannot at any point in time, then, [[conceive]] of [[God]] as being either [[personal]] or [[Impersonal|non-personal]], but that the God and Parent of us all is, [[I AM]], indeed."

Daniel: "It is inconceivable for your mind pattern at this stage of your development to understand the broadness of the First Source and Center in any greater detail at this point in time. For as you see, when you consider God even on a personal level in your individual life it becomes very difficult. When you see God in relationship to the people in this room it broadens. As you see it in relation to the countries and the planet it becomes even mind boggling as V1 has said. And when you conceive of God being personal to seven superuniverses and the outlying areas it becomes overwhelming to understand beyond a personal explanation. But, indeed, in order for the I AM, God, to be complete, must be also the non-personal of which you have spoken. And as you grow into greater and greater ascent, as that ascent grows and you begin to realize and see broader and with more depth, the understanding of the Father on not only a personal basis but a non-personal basis is very, very gratifying. For the concept of God becomes more harmonious in all areas, it becomes very circular; that you cannot at any point in time, then, conceive of God as being either personal or non-personal, but that the God and Parent of us all is, I AM, indeed."

B1: "Thank you. I would like to put in a request for a teaching as V1 once did. My request is for you to talk sometime about [[God the Supreme]] and the [[relationship]] of God the Supreme to the [[First Source and Center]]. I think this is [[confusing]] to a lot of us and would probably be helpful."  

B1: "Thank you. I would like to put in a request for a teaching as V1 once did. My request is for you to talk sometime about God the Supreme and the relationship of God the Supreme to the First Source and Center. I think this is confusing to a lot of us and would probably be helpful." Daniel: "Thank you B1. This is taken into consideration and this would be a good topic for our discussion at some point, for there is confusion in understanding the difference of the First Source and Center and God the Supreme. And so I will take this request with me and this will be considered for a later date."

Daniel: "Thank you B1. This is taken into [[consideration]] and this would be a good [[topic]] for our [[discussion]] at some [[point]], for there is [[confusion]] in understanding the [[difference]] of the First Source and Center and [[God the Supreme]]. And so I will take this request with me and this will be [[considered]] for a later date."

C2: "Daniel, this is C2. When you were speaking a moment ago about the pre-personal, I think I must have tuned out. Are you calling what is prepersonal relationship an understanding of the First Source and Center which is `out there' so to speak, transcendent understanding that is primarily characterized by a distance and then we move into a personal relationship in which we are at one? And then did I hear you allude to the possibility that when we move from a prepersonal to a personal to a sort of a compassionate reality in which we are not only one with the First Source and Center but at one with all of the others for whom that First Source and Center is the I AM so that we evolve into a unity with the whole of the mystery?"

C2: "Daniel, this is C2. When you were speaking a [[moment]] ago about the pre-personal, I think I must have tuned out. Are you calling what is prepersonal [[relationship]] an understanding of the [[First Source and Center]] which is `out there' so to speak, [[transcendent]] [[understanding]] that is primarily characterized by a distance and then we move into a [[personal]] [[relationship]] in which we are at one? And then did I hear you allude to the possibility that when we move from a prepersonal to a personal to a sort of a [[compassionate]] [[reality]] in which we are not only one with the [[First Source and Center]] but at one with all of the others for whom that First Source and Center is the I AM so that we evolve into a [[unity]] with the whole of the [[mystery]]?"

Daniel: "Thank you for helping me to bring to light this concept as well as to correct transmitter error. Non-personal should have been the word.[Ed. note: the word prepersonal was changed in the transcript to non-personal to reduce confusion] You have said that many have the idea of the First Source and Center as a non-personal or prepersonal type of Deity. This has been witnessed throughout the history of mankind in many series, many philosophies such as that which places God as being just nature in general, rather than as a personal God. Indeed, God cannot be confined to any one concept of being personal, prepersonal, or non- personal. For if God is the I AM then God is all of these things. As an individual you make your first moral decision at which point in time the personal God which you know now becomes a part of you. Before you were indwelt with the prepersonal Fragment of the Father/Mother Spirit, you did not have this personal connection with the First Source and Center. Upon this indwelling the First Source and Center has, indeed, become personal within your life. However, in consciousness, in mindal thought this understanding of the First Source and Center and of God must grow and must become. As you all have witnessed, your first thought of God is totally different from your understanding and thought of God as you see it today. Yes, as you become and as you grow in understanding the I AM becomes greater and you become more and more in that alignment to become one with the I AM."

Daniel: "Thank you for helping me to bring to [[light]] this concept as well as to correct [[transmitter]] error. Non-personal should have been the word.[Ed. note: the word prepersonal was changed in the transcript to non-personal to reduce [[confusion]]] You have said that many have the [[idea]] of the [[First Source and Center]] as a non-personal or prepersonal [[type]] of [[Deity]]. This has been witnessed throughout the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_history history of mankind] in many [[series]], many philosophies such as that which places God as being just [[nature]] in general, rather than as a [[personal]] God. Indeed, God cannot be confined to any one [[concept]] of being personal, prepersonal, or non- personal. For if God is the[[ I AM]] then God is all of these things. As an [[individual]] you make your first [[moral]] [[decision]] at which point in time the personal God which you know now becomes a part of you. Before you were indwelt with the [[Thought Adjuster|prepersonal Fragment]] of the Father/Mother Spirit, you did not have this personal [[connection]] with the [[First Source and Center]]. Upon this indwelling the First Source and Center has, indeed, become [[personal]] within your life. However, in [[consciousness]], in mindal [[thought]] this understanding of the First Source and Center and of [[God]] must grow and must [[become]]. As you all have [[witnessed]], your first [[thought]] of God is totally [[different]] from your [[understanding]] and thought of God as you see it today. Yes, as you become and as you grow in [[understanding]] the [[I AM]] becomes greater and you become more and more in that [[alignment]] to become one with the I AM."

C2: "Would it be accurate to say that the I AM becomes the WE ARE?"

C2: "Would it be accurate to say that the I AM becomes the WE ARE?"

Daniel: "In the fact that you are united as brothers and sisters. But even as you gain perfection, even as you sit in the presence of the First Source and Center many aeons from now you will not become I AM in the sense that God is I AM. You become perfected as a spirit. You become that perfection which the I AM deems as perfection for you. No one can ever become the I AM as God is, but rather a part of that I AM in a perfected state. This a very difficult concept for you to understand, however in your coming into a reality of a oneness with the First Source and Center you will find that, yes, as you grow and become more perfected then the essence and the wonderment of the First Source and Center continues to grow proportionately. And even in my many, many years of advancement over you I am still in awe of the greatness of the I AM. Even though I feel a definite part of it I am also realizing that the perfection and the overall encompassing of which the First Source and Center is cannot and never will be matched except by God Himself/Herself."

Daniel: "In the [[fact]] that you are united as [[brothers and sisters]]. But even as you gain [[perfection]], even as you sit in the [[presence]] of the [[First Source and Center]] many [[aeons]] from now you will not become I AM in the sense that God is I AM. You become [[perfected]] as a spirit. You become that perfection which the I AM deems as perfection for you. No one can ever become the I AM as God is, but rather a part of that I AM in a perfected state. This a very [[difficult]] concept for you to [[understand]], however in your coming into a [[reality]] of a [[oneness]] with the [[First Source and Center]] you will find that, yes, as you grow and become more perfected then the [[essence]] and the wonderment of the First Source and Center continues to grow [[proportionately]]. And even in my many, many years of advancement over you I am still in [[awe]] of the greatness of the [[I AM]]. Even though I feel a definite part of it I am also realizing that the [[perfection]] and the overall [[encompassing]] of which the First Source and Center is cannot and never will be matched except by God Himself/Herself."

C2: "I do understand that. Yeah, I understand that we do become a part of the I AM but the I AM is always greater than the sum of all the I AM's. The First Source and Center I AM is always much greater than the sum of the parts in terms of our upside down understanding of God's arithmetic."

C2: "I do understand that. Yeah, I understand that we do [[become]] a part of the [[I AM]] but the I AM is always greater than the sum of all the I AM's. The [[First Source and Center]] I AM is always much greater than the sum of the [[parts]] in terms of our upside down understanding of God's arithmetic."

Daniel: "Exactly. You have stated this well."

Daniel: "Exactly. You have stated this well."

C2: "Thank you Daniel."

C2: "Thank you Daniel."

Daniel: "No questions from you this evening, K3?"(laughter)

Daniel: "No questions from you this evening, K3?"([[laughter]])

K3: "Thank you, Daniel!"

K3: "Thank you, Daniel!"

Daniel: "I hope that you did not wear yourself out too much last week. I look forward to hearing from you, and all of you.

Daniel: "I hope that you did not wear yourself out too much last week. I look forward to hearing from you, and all of you.

===Closing===

===Closing===

My friends as we close this meeting this evening consider the importance of who you are. Remember that you are a divine and spiritual being and that the material body that you have at this point in time is part of a wonderful experience. And as you are able to increase and grow beyond the trappings of this body you will find within yourself and within life an underlying joy and happiness despite outer appearance. This is the joy of the Spirit that will sustain you throughout your life and will grow in proportion as you ascend. As you become more spirit the confines and the trials of the physical life will become less and less important, will be forgotten in many respects. And so I say to you to not put so much, again, complexity, as I spoke the other week; do not put so much complexity into your life. Seek God for what the First Source and Center desires for you, to be in that understanding of your spiritual natures. When you can understand this, then you are beginning to feel that oneness. The I AM is becoming more real to you and the trappings of this life seem not as important. And so as you take the time to sit in quiet, as you take the time to sit in prayer, remember your brothers and sisters in their hour of need, those who are thirsting for an understanding of God, those who are of poor health and needing spiritual upliftment and healing as well as bodily healing. Remember those who are caught in the prison of not being able to forgive, of not being able to be tolerant. As you pray this week ask that God's divine guidance can be given to each and every person that you are praying for so that they can begin to realize that they are also children of the First Source and Center, that they, too, are part of this I AM.

My friends as we close this meeting this evening consider the importance of who you are. Remember that you are a divine and spiritual being and that the material body that you have at this point in time is part of a wonderful experience. And as you are able to increase and grow beyond the trappings of this body you will find within yourself and within life an underlying joy and happiness despite outer appearance. This is the joy of the Spirit that will sustain you throughout your life and will grow in proportion as you ascend. As you become more spirit the confines and the trials of the physical life will become less and less important, will be forgotten in many respects. And so I say to you to not put so much, again, complexity, as I spoke the other week; do not put so much complexity into your life. Seek God for what the First Source and Center desires for you, to be in that understanding of your spiritual natures. When you can understand this, then you are beginning to feel that oneness. The I AM is becoming more real to you and the trappings of this life seem not as important. And so as you take the time to sit in quiet, as you take the time to sit in prayer, remember your brothers and sisters in their hour of need, those who are thirsting for an understanding of God, those who are of poor health and needing spiritual upliftment and healing as well as bodily healing. Remember those who are caught in the prison of not being able to forgive, of not being able to be tolerant. As you pray this week ask that God's divine guidance can be given to each and every person that you are praying for so that they can begin to realize that they are also children of the First Source and Center, that they, too, are part of this I AM.