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JarEl: The [[Spirit of Truth]] works with each of you. This is why we emphasize your [[knowledge]] of [[the text]] and [[the transcripts]]. The teaching becomes a part of your [[being]]. You can relate the teaching of the text to others, because you [[experience]] this; you experience the [[love]] of [[the Father]]; you [[experience]] the love of this fellowship. Simply relate!
 
JarEl: The [[Spirit of Truth]] works with each of you. This is why we emphasize your [[knowledge]] of [[the text]] and [[the transcripts]]. The teaching becomes a part of your [[being]]. You can relate the teaching of the text to others, because you [[experience]] this; you experience the [[love]] of [[the Father]]; you [[experience]] the love of this fellowship. Simply relate!
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Betty: I have another [[problem]]. It is that whenever I speak of [[the Father]] or the Father's [[love]] for me or for [[mankind]]; When I have tried to hold a [[conversation]] with others about the Father and about [[spiritual]] things, I begin to [[cry]]. And it becomes...I become [[embarrassed]] and I am not able to continue talking. I am [[hoping]] that eventually I will be able to overcome this. I just...I don't [[understand]] it, and I don't know that it's ever going to stop.
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Betty: I have another [[problem]]. It is that whenever I speak of [[the Father]] or the Father's [[love]] for me or for [[mankind]]; When I have tried to hold a [[conversation]] with others about the Father and about [[spiritual]] things, I begin to [[cry]]. And it becomes...I become embarrassed and I am not able to continue talking. I am hoping that eventually I will be able to overcome this. I just...I don't understand it, and I don't know that it's ever going to stop.
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Hal: Yes, could you speak to this, because I think we are all or at least I do feel this [[emotional]] welling up when something tremendous or great [[thought]] comes up. She said that well up in her and not being able to [[speak]] properly. Can you speak to us? Is that an animal [[instinct]] within us? Or is it a [[growth]] of learning the [[love]] of [[the Father]]?
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Hal: Yes, could you speak to this, because I think we are all or at least I do feel this emotional welling up when something tremendous or great thought comes up. She said that well up in her and not being able to speak properly. Can you speak to us? Is that an animal instinct within us? Or is it a growth of learning the love of the Father?
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JarEl: This is [[human]]. This is well. This is nothing to be [[ashamed]] or [[embarrassed]] of. Look at your fellow, Douglas. He is one very similar. This one becomes [[emotional]] and tearful at the events of television. He [[sincerely]] relates to the [[feelings]] of others whether in his presence or not. He is stirred [[emotionally]] at viewing the plight, [[sadness]] or [[joy]] of others. His [[heart]] feels [[thankful]]. Yes, at times this thankfulness is overwhelming. It needs [[expression]]. Your [[joys]], your sorrows, your thankfulness need an avenue of expression. Your physical [[bodies]] provide the release through [[tears]]; through the [[choking]] feelings that close your [[voice]].
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JarEl:
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But notice shortly you are able to continue with your [[renewed]] [[feelings]] of [[joy]]. In this [[existence]] you have your [[emotions]] to show others how you feel. In candid [[opportunities]] in dealing with your fellows where your emotions take over, are good indications to others of your human [[qualities]] and sometimes [[sincerity]] about the subject or [[event]] of your discussion. Feel not [[embarrassed]] that these small tears that [[express]] so profoundly your deep concerns would cause others to [[ridicule]]. In most instances the feelings are [[contagious]]. When one cries, others [[desire]] to cry with them. When one [[shares]] joy, others desire to share it also. Does this help you?
 
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This is human. This is well. This is nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed of. Look at your fellow, Douglas. He is one very similar. This one becomes emotional and tearful at the events of television. He sincerely relates to the feelings of others whether in his presence or not. He is stirred emotionally at viewing the plight, sadness or joy of others. His heart feels thankful. Yes, at times this thankfulness is overwhelming. It needs expression. Your joys, your sorrows, your thankfulness need an avenue of expression. Your physical bodies provide the release through tears; through the choking feelings that close your voice.
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But notice shortly you are able to continue with your renewed feelings of joy. In this existence you have your emotions to show others how you feel. In candid opportunities in dealing with your fellows where your emotions take over, are good indications to others of your human qualities and sometimes sincerity about the subject or event of your discussion. Feel not embarrassed that these small tears that express so profoundly your deep concerns would cause others to ridicule. In most instances the feelings are contagious. When one cries, others desire to cry with them. When one shares joy, others desire to share it also. Does this help you?
      
Betty: Yes, thank you.
 
Betty: Yes, thank you.
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Hal: Yes and can we or should we outgrow this human emotional reaction to life situations?
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Hal: Yes and can we or should we outgrow this human [[emotional]] [[reaction]] to life situations?
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JarEl: I think you will not outgrow this. You will control this some, but it allows you to be in touch with your truer selves.
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JarEl: I think you will not outgrow this. You will [[control]] this some, but it allows you to be in [[touch]] with your truer selves.
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Hal: Yes, I even notice it when reading an article in Readers' Digest this tremendous emotional reaction that I get. It's always when something of bravery or courage or perseverance has won out.
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Hal: Yes, I even notice it when [[reading]] an article in Readers' Digest this tremendous [[emotional]] reaction that I get. It's always when something of [[bravery]] or [[courage]] or [[perseverance]] has won out.
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JarEl: These are word symbols, but they carry an emotional attachment. When you use the symbol courage, and you say this with conviction and determination, it arouses a quickening in your being. Immediately your head is elevated; your shoulders are squared; you look forward straight ahead with renewed determination. You are ready to step forward in action. The word symbol courage has given you the emotional equivalent in your being. Do you see?
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JarEl: These are [[word]] [[symbols]], but they carry an emotional attachment. When you use the symbol [[courage]], and you say this with [[conviction]] and [[determination]], it arouses a quickening in your [[being]]. Immediately your head is elevated; your shoulders are squared; you look forward straight ahead with renewed [[determination]]. You are ready to step forward in [[action]]. The word symbol [[courage]] has given you the emotional equivalent in your being. Do you see?
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Hal: Yes, this is an emotion and say in the morontia worlds we do not necessarily have the word symbol to this, but the actual fact of the courageous act.
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Hal: Yes, this is an emotion and say in the [[morontia worlds]] we do not necessarily have the word symbol to this, but the actual [[fact]] of the [[courageous]] [[act]].
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JarEl: This is so. There are moments for me that I share with you as a group that the joy becomes overwhelming. Often I speak at what seems to be a level of detachment. But in reality it is very deep attachment that I have for you. I desire so much to be of assistance to you that so often I am overcome also with my thoughts of your well-being.
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JarEl: This is so. There are moments for me that I [[share]] with you as a group that the [[joy]] becomes overwhelming. Often I speak at what seems to be a level of detachment. But in [[reality]] it is very deep attachment that I have for you. I [[desire]] so much to be of [[assistance]] to you that so often I am overcome also with my [[thoughts]] of your well-being.
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Hal: It is reassuring to us to know that you are so involved with us that it is strengthening to us.
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Hal: It is reassuring to us to know that you are so involved with us that it is [[strengthening]] to us.
    
JarEl: Were you to speak Lucille?
 
JarEl: Were you to speak Lucille?
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Lucille: Yes. Last Saturday we've had a bit..I guess I had internal emotional concerns about Kendra. She did not go to her meeting for the auxiliary Saturday night. She had intended to, but suddenly decided not to go. And no way could we talk her into it. Monday morning she refused to go to school. She was supposed to go a new class and a new schedule. And today she goes to Dell Alternative School. She seems to be afraid. She said she has no friends. She talked to Debbie last night. She sincerely wants to be in the Auxiliary. How can we help her? Because it was certainly a emotional experience for me, and I go nowhere. Could you comment on this?
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Lucille: Yes. Last Saturday we've had a bit..I guess I had internal emotional concerns about Kendra. She did not go to her meeting for the auxiliary Saturday night. She had intended to, but suddenly decided not to go. And no way could we talk her into it. Monday morning she refused to go to school. She was supposed to go a new class and a new schedule. And today she goes to Dell Alternative School. She seems to be [[afraid]]. She said she has no [[friends]]. She talked to Debbie last night. She sincerely wants to be in the Auxiliary. How can we help her? Because it was certainly a [[emotional]] [[experience]] for me, and I go nowhere. Could you comment on this?
 
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This happens with dealing with the younger ones. It appears that she has great reservation suddenly concerning her education in this group she participates in. Have you inquired as to any events or mishaps that possibly have occurred?
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JarEl: This happens with dealing with the younger ones. It appears that she has great reservation suddenly concerning her [[education]] in this group she [[participates]] in. Have you [[inquired]] as to any events or mishaps that possibly have occurred?
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Lucille: She has gotten very poor grades. We had a conference with the counselor and all the group at the high school. He recommended that she changed to these other classes which were to start yesterday. And she did not go to school. And there was no way that we could talk her into going. It was fear I know of going to new classes. Probably rejection from the ones that she was in. We're trying to help her.
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Lucille: She has gotten very poor grades. We had a conference with the [[counselor]] and all the group at the high school. He recommended that she changed to these other classes which were to start yesterday. And she did not go to school. And there was no way that we could talk her into going. It was [[fear]] I know of going to new classes. Probably [[rejection]] from the ones that she was in. We're trying to help her.
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JarEl: Embarrassment is a factor. These classes are they not at the same institution?
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JarEl: [[Embarrassment]] is a [[factor]]. These classes are they not at the same [[institution]]?
    
Lucille: Yes, they are. The ones she was supposed to go to yesterday.
 
Lucille: Yes, they are. The ones she was supposed to go to yesterday.
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JarEl:
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JarEl: It will be difficult. She has to [[relax]] her mind in that she was once at one level with her [[peers]], because of not functioning to her ability she's being demoted to another level, where perhaps she can function. She views it as demotion; [[embarrassment]] for her peer group. The lack of [[friends]] is only increasing, because of this new class alternative.
 
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It will be difficult. She has to relax her mind in that she was once at one level with her peers, because of not functioning to her ability she's being demoted to another level, where perhaps she can function. She views it as demotion; embarrassment for her peer group. The lack of friends is only increasing, because of this new class alternative.
      
Lucille: Does she not have the ability to go ahead with the other classes? Would the alternative schools be better?
 
Lucille: Does she not have the ability to go ahead with the other classes? Would the alternative schools be better?
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JarEl:
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JarEl: The ability is present. The willingness to [[cooperate]] with those who impart [[knowledge]] to her is the issue. There is reason in her [[mind]] for non-cooperation. Perhaps you should seek the [[counsel]] of her instructors with her present.
 
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The ability is present. The willingness to cooperate with those who impart knowledge to her is the issue. There is reason in her mind for non-cooperation. Perhaps you should seek the counsel of her instructors with her present.
      
Lucille: We have done that, and that why.....
 
Lucille: We have done that, and that why.....
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Hal: But maybe individually with the individual teachers. That may be what he is referring to you.
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Hal: But maybe [[individually]] with the individual teachers. That may be what he is referring to you.
    
Lucille: But her English teach referred..that she should try easier classes. She hasn't succeeded in anything, and that's why she is so unhappy here. She needs to do better, but she doesn't try.
 
Lucille: But her English teach referred..that she should try easier classes. She hasn't succeeded in anything, and that's why she is so unhappy here. She needs to do better, but she doesn't try.
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JarEl:
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JarEl: Again, our lesson [[fear]]. You see the need for small successes. Small successes, appropriate [[praise]] and [[encouragement]] will help [[relax]] her mind and [[thoughts]] so that she can [[focus]] on the subjects to be learned. There is an emotional side to this one. Much [[difficulty]] in the [[past]]. Justification: she feels justified in her actions, because of living in the [[past]]. The [[techniques]] that you have for counseling with the young ones might be helpful for this one.
 
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Again, our lesson fear. You see the need for small successes. Small successes, appropriate praise and encouragement will help relax her mind and thoughts so that she can focus on the subjects to be learned. There is an emotional side to this one. Much difficulty in the past. Justification: she feels justified in her actions, because of living in the past. The techniques that you have for counseling with the young ones might be helpful for this one.
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Hal: Yes, that's what the teachers have started for her. Where she has become a tutor for others.
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Hal: Yes, that's what the teachers have started for her. Where she has become a [[tutor]] for others.
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Lucille: The handicapped.
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Lucille: The [[handicapped]].
    
Hal: And yet she wants to go back to her own environment. She seems to have a strong emotional attachment to that.
 
Hal: And yet she wants to go back to her own environment. She seems to have a strong emotional attachment to that.
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Lucille: Her father and stepmother would have her in her old school.
 
Lucille: Her father and stepmother would have her in her old school.
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JarEl: Is it her desire to leave your home?
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JarEl: Is it her [[desire]] to leave your [[home]]?
    
Lucille: No, she wants to return there.
 
Lucille: No, she wants to return there.
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Hal: We think that's not so much to leave the home here as to get back to her concept of her old friends. How valid that concept is the question? We would like know if we can re-visualize success in standard academic environment for her. I can visualize a tremendously successful future for her. Plus as you say the emotional hang-ups are in the road now.
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Hal: We think that's not so much to leave the [[home]] here as to get back to her concept of her old [[friends]]. How valid that concept is the [[question]]? We would like know if we can re-visualize success in [[standard]] academic environment for her. I can visualize a tremendously successful [[future]] for her. Plus as you say the emotional hang-ups are in the road now.
 
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JarEl:
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This one does not share your vision. The immaturity levels do not allow her to share your vision. You may give her glimpses through conversation; through your example; through the example of others. That would go a long way toward opening her mind, and opening the doors that she has locked to you and others. Much conversation, counseling, consistency will help. The environment that she could not achieve in will not be helpful. What has changed that would allow her success now that she did not have when she was there?
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JarEl: This one does not [[share]] your [[vision]]. The immaturity levels do not allow her to share your vision. You may give her glimpses through [[conversation]]; through your example; through the example of others. That would go a long way toward opening her [[mind]], and opening the doors that she has locked to you and others. Much conversation, [[counseling]], consistency will help. The environment that she could not [[achieve]] in will not be helpful. What has changed that would allow her success now that she did not have when she was there?
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Hal: We are helping in learning study habits and assisting her in her school work that she has never has had before.
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Hal: We are helping in [[learning]] [[study]] [[habits]] and assisting her in her school work that she has never has had before.
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Lucille: They have removed the Algebra and the Spanish. They are changing her to an easier English class. She will be teaching or helping with the handicap in one period. She is taking an easier Math class; easier English class which hadn't attend yesterday. She has yet to make this change tomorrow.
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Lucille: They have removed the Algebra and the Spanish. They are changing her to an easier [[English]] class. She will be teaching or helping with the handicap in one period. She is taking an easier Math class; easier English class which hadn't attend yesterday. She has yet to make this [[change]] tomorrow.
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Hal: That's the embarrassment that she has.
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Hal: That's the [[embarrassment]] that she has.
    
Lucille: So, JarEl, would try to help her tomorrow?
 
Lucille: So, JarEl, would try to help her tomorrow?
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JarEl: We cannot violate freewill. We may pray and seek the Father's guidance. You may invite this one to pray with you. Show your concern and desire for her success.
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JarEl: We cannot violate [[freewill]]. We may [[pray]] and seek [[the Father]]'s [[guidance]]. You may [[invite]] this one to pray with you. Show your concern and [[desire]] for her success.
    
Lucille: Thank you.
 
Lucille: Thank you.
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Hal: It is a wonderful challenge for us!
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Hal: It is a [[wonderful]] [[challenge]] for us!
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===Closing===
 
===Closing===
 
JarEl: This is true, but you meet the challenge. Your courage, steadfastness to the goal of improving the life and conditions of this one is admirable. Stay your course; victory will be yours; success will come about. It will not necessarily be at this exact moment, but your heart will rejoice at the progress you will observe in this one. Continue in your efforts.
 
JarEl: This is true, but you meet the challenge. Your courage, steadfastness to the goal of improving the life and conditions of this one is admirable. Stay your course; victory will be yours; success will come about. It will not necessarily be at this exact moment, but your heart will rejoice at the progress you will observe in this one. Continue in your efforts.

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