Talk:2014-11-17-New Era Conversations 34b
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 3:46pm
It is possible the message of "social sustainability" is one that 'leaders' of several nations secretly have been undertaking since the 60's and in academic institutions since the 70's and 80's driven it would seem by an anticipated 'decimation' of this planet by abuse and misuse by a spiritually bankrupt civilization. It is therefore interesting to note the reliance upon a 'secular' message to "the whole world" when the whole world is hungering, even dying for spiritual substance.
That message of social sustainability was primarily directed to the whole world in a secular message, in an attempt to make it appealable (sic) to all people, regardless of their religion, regardless of their beliefs, but not regardless of the values which are common to all people.
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 3:52pm
I note with interest that "The Triumvirate" is a term originating in Daniel Raphael's attribution to Charles in 2010. Before that the term 'the triumvirate' referenced spiritual values such as faith, hope, and charity. Of course, The Triumvirate Daniel refers to is one composed of what could be known as the executive committee of Michael, Monjoronson, and Machiventa, the second member coming online in 2001.
The Triumvirate has been available to you through the duration of the Correcting Time, with its early initiation in New Zealand in the mid to late 1980’s. We have led you through the ethical, moral development of thinking and of living. This aids your sustainability as an ascending and enlightened individual, who will eventually attain Paradise and the embrace with the Creator.
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 4:06pm
It goes without saying that inducing moral and ethical action by the gift of "monetary embellishment" is a dubious practice.
We have even given several of you thoughts of monetary embellishment to assist you to think about developing programs, organizations, positions, roles and so on. Those are now fairly well complete in their rudimentary forms.
As we have told you, money is not an issue for us to develop. There are many sources to provide even multiples of many millions of dollars to the appropriate programs when needed.
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 4:16pm
I note that Daniel is alone in promoting the virtue of mysticism in his messages. Otherwise, his reference to celestial being worshiping as we worship seems facile.
every religion has a sect within it of mystics. These are individuals, who have had a “God-experience,” who have personally experienced the conscious presence of the Creator in their mind and life, and were overawed by this and came away from that experience as changed individuals. They understand what the mystic experience is about. They are able to commune with the Source within them. Many of you do this; it is a wonderful experience; it is one that I and all the celestials and others participate in on a regular basis. We, too, worship as you worship.
Regardless, that he makes 'being a mystic' a qualification for being a "partners in leadership" e.g. an 'exemplary follower' is problematic.
If you are not a mystic, if you are not one who speaks with your God presence within you, then you must learn how to discern to the realm of “trust.” Once you have had a God experience, then you move into the position of “knowing,” and this can never be taken away from you. So, for those who wish to participate in this program, to become partners in leadership, you must know who [the] beings of light are, how they act, how they behave and the messages they give, and have the capacity and skill to also discern those messages, which ones are of light and those that are not. With those two skills you can become exemplary followers, to implement what comes forward.
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 4:26pm
Based upon my experience working with Daniel as a member of the original Starbridge Board of Directors where dueling TR's merely used a presumed authority based upon attribution to celestial beings to argue the points of terrestrial beings, I can't really see the difference between his concept of secular and 'spiritual'.
It actually is our hope that we develop two groups of teams who are committed to that social sustainability: One that is based on the co-creative social team concept that uses a spiritual being, a Melchizedek, as who fills the Consultant role; and a secular Design Team that does not use an unseen spiritual consultant, but uses a wise mortal who can advise the group and the team of what is ahead and what is true, and what is not; what is valid now, today, and what will be valid thousands of years from now for your societies.
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 4:35pm
Given this entire project is dependent upon methods of indirection, one can only mourn the thought of 'leaders' being reduced to interpreters of a second hand message.
we need leaders. We need leaders who are in contact with their God presence within them, with those spiritual beings who advise them, whether it is the Mentori, or whether it is their Guardian Angel, Celestial Teacher, a Melchizedek or any other being.
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 4:40pm
Imagine a species of sentient beings reduced to dependence upon second hand messages at least twice removed from their source. While such 'communication' can be helpful, it is the more direct methods of communication that will prevail.
disqualify those individuals who opt for authority and fear, power and ego, and validate those who are credible leaders, those who are credible to bring through a message. It has been a long-standing tradition of ours to assist mortals in co-creative endeavors to validate what they are doing, and what they are doing with us. Yes, we are here; we are not going away. We are here to help you and we need leaders and highly capable and competent followers, who have the courage to step out with those leaders to assist in this process.
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 4:40pm
One can only wonder at persons presumed to be 'leaders' who are following a well worn path of lemmings jumping off a cliff placing hope in predictions of dates projecting the hopes of ego investment? Even still, given the statement referenced above concerning money "not an issue", "money is not an issue for us to develop. There are many sources to provide even multiples of many millions of dollars to the appropriate programs when needed", you might think persons who actually study this writing would begin to think when stumbling upon such contradictions.
MMc: The information in the published sessions, the last that was unpublished was in January 2013, and in one of those sessions was that something would happen last fall. Obviously, it looks like it’s been delayed until January 2015. Am I correct in that assumption?
MACHIVENTA: Yes, there was a major “something,” as you alluded to, this last fall—September, October—that was a major juncture for us. We discerned several means by which we can proceed. The one that we alluded to in those closed sessions had to do with the development of financial sources to develop organizations and benevolent granting organizations for the development of socially sustainable programs. That has not changed,
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 4:55pm
One would think that the reference in caps to This One would speak for itself, but spiritual glamour is a well known drug. [1]
MMc: I see. So the [New Era] event will not occur in January?
*GaiamTV.com appearance
MACHIVENTA: Yes it will occur in January, but will be very subtle in your estimation. As you know, This One has been invited and is scheduled for a one hour, television recorded, channeled session on December 4, with GaiamTV.com. Approximately half of the time will be channeled and half will be an interview with This One.
Rob wrote: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 5:05pm
I can't bear to spend more time reading this document. It makes me want to delete the entire corpus. I am reminded of Margul's statement about the use of a cover crop in the deliberate motion to Light and Life.
Many times you have witnessed what you perceived to be progress upon the planet toward Light and Life and then are disillusioned by what appears to be the destruction of that progress much like a field of produce that has gone to weed. Do not be concerned, for myself and many associated with me are often planting a cover crop that does appear to be robust and vigorous only to be plowed under. This is not disastrous; it is stepping toward Light and Life in a deliberate manner with purpose and intent. - Margul
Daniel's corpus seems increasingly the best evidence that the spiritual promise of this generation is being "plowed under" for future purposes.
