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Talk:2012-08-16-I Am the Lamb of God (view source)
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Rob
Rob
'''Ron wrote: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:57 PM'''
Rob:
You write:
I appreciate the recognition of the 8 unrevealed Triunities relating to post-finite domains, and while it is best to allow ourselves to be at peace in our lack of capacity to fully comprehend those 7 that are revealed given we cannot know "the ultimate level of the triunities", nevertheless would you explain your reference to the Third Triunity "that is unrevealed" as it does appear rather explicitly revealed in the list of the first seven we are invited to attempt understanding.
Ron: I was not referring to the Third Triunity when I spoke about something being unrevealed. I was talking about the relationship that Luminaya has to the Third Triunity. You see, the Master Spirits have a front row seat to the doings of the Paradise Deities. They have a channel they can tune into to listen to (or maybe even see?) the deliberations the Triunities hold concerning the operation of the Master Universe. This is not unlike televising the deliberations of the Senate that Americans can listen to to follow the arguments that develop how certain actions or codes are to be distributed as laws of the land.
Luminaya is the Voice of the Son-Spirit Deity union. As such Luminaya apparently holds the key to the application of Son-Spirit policy as it pertains to the four outer space areas regarding the spirit promulgations that are to take effect in those areas beyond the superuniverses. They speak of this openly to me, but they are quiet about what form or forms spirit takes in the outer space regions. This is what I was trying to explain in the last post: Luminaya has this unrevealed feature or contact with the Third Triunity regarding spirit form of divinities (e.g. the proposed existence of descending Sons of the Son-Spirit union.)
Both the Third Triunity and the Fourth Triunity potentially contain the open door to figuring out how God the Ultimate will approach the next universe age. Luminaya already knows God the Ultimate and may speak for Him in the high counsels on Paradise. To time-space these are personality decisions that represent future ages and are off limits to our understanding to prevent development of thought which casts almost no preference for the right decisions, and only for the facts about decision being made. You rightly may ask, "What am I talking about?". We have at our command language, but we do not have at our command thought which precedes language, and God the Ultimate thinks in terms of pre-language expressions which contain no verb!
I hope you bear with me on this because it really starts to explain what the Urantia Book refers to in describing God the Ultimate as eventuating perfection of concepts. In time space, we act (verb) to bring about an event or a completion of task. God the Ultimate, represents the abilities of having no time in space concepts. God the Ultimate can take the arrangement of past verb actions of time (historical development) in a thought, is able to remove al the experiments of how those verbs brought a conclusion in time, and then reproduces time conclusions better than what time could by leaving the action (verb) out. This process produces perfection before it can be qualified by the activity of time limitations yet remain experiential.
Perhaps you can get a glimmer of what is being spoken to here although I find myself so hampered by time language it is very hard to get at what they are trying to tell us.
Nonetheless, both the Third and Fourth Triunities have the potential to exercise Ultimacy as they are, and they do so in the Master Universe (not Paradise) through liaison with the Master Spirit actions through time-space to the residence of God the Ultimate. Please note the evidence of this statement by observing the make up of these Triunities (3 and 4) which are The Deity Absolute and the Unqualified Absolute respectively as members of the debating committee, and these are the repositories of the potentials I am speaking of.
If one can penetrate this thinking, then one might also penetrate why the absonite precedes time and then follows the finalization of Supreme values of time as in the outer space areas beyond the seven superuniverses of time. If I may, let me summarize this appearance of the absonite, followed by time, followed by Ultimacy cycle as "Perfection by fiat (Trinity = Havona), Perfection-Action experientialized (Father-Son = the Seven Superuniverses), Perfection-Thought experientialized. (Son-Spirit = the four outer space levels)"
Do not make the mistake which is so easy to do to think that the four outer space areas are analogous to a homogeneous development of Ultimacy. By that I mean, do not think each one of the four levels revealed to us are a convenient way to break down a vast area into manageable bites for administrative purposes. They are not the same just as the 7 superuniverses are not the same in development. I have no idea what the quartan development of Ultimacy may include, but it does have quartan universes as opposed to galactic universes in the seven superuniverses. Part of this difference is the manifestation of energy there. These developments are addressed in the unrevealed Triunities, and the Master Spirits are controlling influences over all 15 Triunities revealed and unrevealed.
Ociliaya, Mantrinaya, and Luminaya have a great deal to do with developments that remain as future revelations to us,and even among the Triunities which operate directly with the current universe age (the seven revealed in the text), there is enough integration of potentials in time to call for secrecy of relationships among the Master Spirit activities regarding Triunities of Supreme completion.
Ron