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Further comments are welcome.
 
Further comments are welcome.
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It appears the only comments ensuing are those of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pastordavid pastordavid] whose user page identifies his username representating the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_in_America Evangelical Lutheran Church in America] on Wikipedia. His comments on this article consist of accusations against it as Sockpuppetry. His talk page also cites that while "Wikipedia is not censored, his talk page is", and that any writing he considers to be 'obscene' i.e. 'vandalism', etc. "will be deleted". This together with the automated deletion of articles on Wikpedia, it seems best to provide a link to the original {uncensored?} article here.
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It appears the only comments ensuing are those of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pastordavid pastordavid] whose user page identifies his username representating the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_in_America Evangelical Lutheran Church in America] on Wikipedia. His comments on this article consist of accusations against it as Sockpuppetry. His talk page also cites that while "Wikipedia is not censored, his talk page is", and that any writing he considers to be 'obscene' i.e. 'vandalism', etc. "will be deleted". This together with the automated deletion of articles on Wikpedia, it seems best to provide a link to the original {uncensored?} article here.
    
Rob Davis (usernames Rldavisiv and Daynal)
 
Rob Davis (usernames Rldavisiv and Daynal)
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(copies of this exchange will be archived for future reference) [here] --72.250.232.242 (talk) 18:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 
(copies of this exchange will be archived for future reference) [here] --72.250.232.242 (talk) 18:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal"
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Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal"
 
Categories: Proposed deletion as of 30 April 2008 | All articles proposed for deletion | Wikipedian usernames editors have expressed concern over | Temporary Wikipedian userpages
 
Categories: Proposed deletion as of 30 April 2008 | All articles proposed for deletion | Wikipedian usernames editors have expressed concern over | Temporary Wikipedian userpages
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==Moving forward==
 
==Moving forward==
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It appears that the original editor of the article is no longer active here.  I'm going to try and salvage the article, or determine if it meets the deletion criteria. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paulbrock User:Paulbrock|Paulbrock] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Paulbrock User talk:Paulbrock|talk] 17:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
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It appears that the original editor of the article is no longer active here.  I'm going to try and salvage the article, or determine if it meets the deletion criteria. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paulbrock User:Paulbrock|Paulbrock] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Paulbrock User talk:Paulbrock|talk] 17:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
    
The writer is watching with interest how Wikipedia 'salvages' articles given the Evangelical Lutheran Church's displeasure with the thought of this on Wikipedia.
 
The writer is watching with interest how Wikipedia 'salvages' articles given the Evangelical Lutheran Church's displeasure with the thought of this on Wikipedia.
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fr: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Silensor Silensor]
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fr: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Silensor Silensor]
    
==Sockpuppetry Case==
 
==Sockpuppetry Case==
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Report submission by  
 
Report submission by  
 
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pastordavid User:Pastordavid|Pastordavid] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pastordavid/Archive_5#Daynal User talk:Pastordavid|talk]) 20:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pastordavid User:Pastordavid|Pastordavid] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pastordavid/Archive_5#Daynal User talk:Pastordavid|talk]) 20:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 
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Evidence
 
Evidence
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rldavisiv User:Rldavisiv] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rldavisiv&diff=207296558&oldid=207296170 responded] to a cluebot warning for blanking two articles by stating that he/she had started these articles.  Article histories ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timothy_Wyllie&action=history here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Landon_Garland&action=history here] show that both articles were begun by indef-blocked user Daynal, who is using his/her talkpage for a [[WP:SOAPBOX]] of one sort or another. [[User:Pastordavid|Pastordavid]] ([[User talk:Pastordavid|talk]]) 20:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rldavisiv User:Rldavisiv] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rldavisiv&diff=207296558&oldid=207296170 responded] to a cluebot warning for blanking two articles by stating that he/she had started these articles.  Article histories ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timothy_Wyllie&action=history here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Landon_Garland&action=history here] show that both articles were begun by indef-blocked user Daynal, who is using his/her talkpage for a [[WP:SOAPBOX]] of one sort or another. [[User:Pastordavid|Pastordavid]] ([[User talk:Pastordavid|talk]]) 20:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
    
Comments
 
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It is recommended that he or she provide links between the accounts.
 
It is recommended that he or she provide links between the accounts.
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<center>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rldavisiv Sockpuppet]</center>
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<center>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rldavisiv Sockpuppet]</center>
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<center>This is a '[[sockpuppet]] account', however, the '[[hand]]' can easily be found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal here]</center>
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<center>This is a '[[sockpuppet]] account', however, the '[[hand]]' can easily be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal here]</center>
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Dear Pastordavid,
 
Dear Pastordavid,
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Would you find it more comfortable discussing here the public display of what is described as an 'archived' page where your charge of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Daynal Sockpuppetry] was sustained against [[user:Daynal]]? If the page should be really archived as was the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timothy_Wyllie/Archive_1 'discussion'] of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Wyllie article] that apparently offended your personal beliefs, we can agree to let this 'lie'. Gratefully, Rob Davis --[[Special:Contributions/72.250.232.242|72.250.232.242]] ([[User talk:72.250.232.242|talk]]) 19:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
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Would you find it more comfortable discussing here the public display of what is described as an 'archived' page where your charge of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Daynal Sockpuppetry] was sustained against [[user:Daynal]]? If the page should be really archived as was the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timothy_Wyllie/Archive_1 'discussion'] of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Wyllie article] that apparently offended your personal beliefs, we can agree to let this 'lie'. Gratefully, Rob Davis --[[Special:Contributions/72.250.232.242|72.250.232.242]] ([[User talk:72.250.232.242|talk]]) 19:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
    
:Ah, you ascribe to me sensitivities that I am afraid I do not posses.  I am not offended in the least.  In fact, the SSP page is indeed archived just the same as the talk page in question - both are still viewable by the general public, as shown by your ability to view both of them.  Neither of them, however, has been [[WP:DELETE|deleted]].  You are welcome to persue deletion for them ... I would guess that asking at [[WP:MFD|misc. for deletion]] would be the right place.  I would not, however, expect the deletion of either to be likely.  And if you feel, as you continue to insinuate, my particular background produces an undue bias or conflict of interest in either my editing or my use of the administrative tools, you are encouraged to file a report either at [[WP:RFC|requests for comment on user behavior]] or at [[WP:ANI|the administrators' incident noticeboard]].  Thanks. [[User:Pastordavid|Pastordavid]] ([[User talk:Pastordavid#top|talk]]) 21:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 
:Ah, you ascribe to me sensitivities that I am afraid I do not posses.  I am not offended in the least.  In fact, the SSP page is indeed archived just the same as the talk page in question - both are still viewable by the general public, as shown by your ability to view both of them.  Neither of them, however, has been [[WP:DELETE|deleted]].  You are welcome to persue deletion for them ... I would guess that asking at [[WP:MFD|misc. for deletion]] would be the right place.  I would not, however, expect the deletion of either to be likely.  And if you feel, as you continue to insinuate, my particular background produces an undue bias or conflict of interest in either my editing or my use of the administrative tools, you are encouraged to file a report either at [[WP:RFC|requests for comment on user behavior]] or at [[WP:ANI|the administrators' incident noticeboard]].  Thanks. [[User:Pastordavid|Pastordavid]] ([[User talk:Pastordavid#top|talk]]) 21:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
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Greetings! How good it is to see opportunities to discuss issues of concern for all those concerned-virtually present together.
 
Greetings! How good it is to see opportunities to discuss issues of concern for all those concerned-virtually present together.
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Until the charge of sockpuppetry was made against account [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal user:Daynal], I was content to use but this name only, and then only to prevent others from using it as I have a responsibility to and for the public use of this name by virtue of serving as admin to most domains operating with this name.  
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Until the charge of sockpuppetry was made against account [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal user:Daynal], I was content to use but this name only, and then only to prevent others from using it as I have a responsibility to and for the public use of this name by virtue of serving as admin to most domains operating with this name.  
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The articles I wrote, [[Landon Garland]] and [[Timothy Wyllie]] (read by bots as vandalism) prior to sustaining the sockpuppetry charge stand on record for continued examination and revision. After consultation with CobaltBlueTony, the unblock procedure was implemented as per his instructions, but just before the sockpuppetry charge, it appeared to him "for some reason" the change was not processed as expected. Another editor, AndrewHowse, had suggested that I address the conflict of interest raised by the [[Timothy Wyllie]] article by editing the article under his oversight. By this point, such required an alternate account [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rldavisiv user:Rldavisiv] to do so without working anonymously. To avoid misunderstanding, these were linked as per suggestions of Wikipedia policy. This apparently triggered the accusation of sockpuppetry by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pastordavid user:Pastordavid] (quickly sustained) bringing to an immediate halt the implementation of any suggestions of these two editors.  
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The articles I wrote, [[Landon Garland]] and [[Timothy Wyllie]] (read by bots as vandalism) prior to sustaining the sockpuppetry charge stand on record for continued examination and revision. After consultation with CobaltBlueTony, the unblock procedure was implemented as per his instructions, but just before the sockpuppetry charge, it appeared to him "for some reason" the change was not processed as expected. Another editor, AndrewHowse, had suggested that I address the conflict of interest raised by the [[Timothy Wyllie]] article by editing the article under his oversight. By this point, such required an alternate account [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rldavisiv user:Rldavisiv] to do so without working anonymously. To avoid misunderstanding, these were linked as per suggestions of Wikipedia policy. This apparently triggered the accusation of sockpuppetry by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pastordavid user:Pastordavid] (quickly sustained) bringing to an immediate halt the implementation of any suggestions of these two editors.  
    
Further dialogue to address the situation has required the utilization of anonymous IP addresses, and traveling extensively finds the number of IP addresses uncountable for most tracking purposes.   
 
Further dialogue to address the situation has required the utilization of anonymous IP addresses, and traveling extensively finds the number of IP addresses uncountable for most tracking purposes.   
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#This editor desired but one account linked directly to his personal contact page to demonstrate transparency.  
 
#This editor desired but one account linked directly to his personal contact page to demonstrate transparency.  
 
#This editor 'copied comments' to the personal talkpage to "centralize discussion" as per Wikipedia policy addressing confusion of a fragmented dialogue.
 
#This editor 'copied comments' to the personal talkpage to "centralize discussion" as per Wikipedia policy addressing confusion of a fragmented dialogue.
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#After writing two articles, requests were made to Wikipedia editors for their comments on the 'content'. The reply to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Landon_Garland first] was an automated accusation of vandalism, and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timothy_Wyllie/Archive_1 second] elicited only the Sockpuppetry charge from Pastordavid.
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#After writing two articles, requests were made to Wikipedia editors for their comments on the 'content'. The reply to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Landon_Garland first] was an automated accusation of vandalism, and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timothy_Wyllie/Archive_1 second] elicited only the Sockpuppetry charge from Pastordavid.
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#This editor had [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wikipedia_Daynal_talkpage#Policy_Review elected], after consulting with CobaltBlueTony, to retain username [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal Daynal] to block it indefinitely.
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#This editor had [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wikipedia_Daynal_talkpage#Policy_Review elected], after consulting with CobaltBlueTony, to retain username [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Daynal Daynal] to block it indefinitely.
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#This editor will not edit Wikipedia articles unless requested given [http://www.press.daynal.org/about.html all subjects] of human inquiry are 'directly connected to his publishing company'.
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#This editor will not edit Wikipedia articles unless requested given [https://www.press.daynal.org/about.html all subjects] of human inquiry are 'directly connected to his publishing company'.
    
Gratefully,
 
Gratefully,
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Hello Merzul, and thank you for your willingness to work with us through this process!
 
Hello Merzul, and thank you for your willingness to work with us through this process!
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The last two points causing misunderstanding are replies to the expectations of CobaltBlueTony stipulating that I agree not to edit subjects directly connected to Daynal Institute Press that as per our [http://www.press.daynal.org/about.html purpose] necessarily includes all subject areas that preclude then my direct contributions to this particular wiki project.  
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The last two points causing misunderstanding are replies to the expectations of CobaltBlueTony stipulating that I agree not to edit subjects directly connected to Daynal Institute Press that as per our [https://www.press.daynal.org/about.html purpose] necessarily includes all subject areas that preclude then my direct contributions to this particular wiki project.  
    
As for referencing myself' in the third person, it is my understanding Wikipedia prefers to limit first person pronouns to foster neutrality. However, the use of third person references seem appropriate when pointing to the 'account' at issue, while first person usage might be best reserved solely for the 'person' I am.
 
As for referencing myself' in the third person, it is my understanding Wikipedia prefers to limit first person pronouns to foster neutrality. However, the use of third person references seem appropriate when pointing to the 'account' at issue, while first person usage might be best reserved solely for the 'person' I am.
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pastordavid Pastordavid] apparently is now back to Wikipedia on a 'very limited' basis.
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pastordavid Pastordavid] apparently is now back to Wikipedia on a 'very limited' basis.
    
[[Category: Censored Articles]]
 
[[Category: Censored Articles]]
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