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4/11/93 Lesson: Assignment on Conversations Review and Q&A

===Group: [[SE Idaho TeaM]]===

 

Iruka- Lucifer Rebellion Adjudicated 1984

===Teacher: [[Iruka]]===

 

Iruka: . ..surrounds you, the Light of God enfolds you, the power of God protects you, wherever you are He is. Good afternoon, I am Iruka, I am your friend and teacher. What a delightful afternoon this has turned out to be. The warm sunlight and the birds are a sign of spring, and it is so nice to be able to sit outside. I wish to express to you my affection and my delight in your spiritual growth. You are working very hard, you have made this a priority in your life and you are indeed showing love to those around you. You have grown towards the Father, you have taken steps towards the light, it has not been easy. Can you pause for a moment and look back on where you were six months ago? How you approached a problem, how you approached an

 

undesirable or unlovely person, someone you wish to avoid? Can you see the strides you have grown in just a few short months, that now you show love where before you avoided them. Now you engage them in conversation when before you only said what was necessary. I can see a growth, but I wanted you to be able to see your own. As you grow, you learn to love more. Growth is not easy, it is sometimes painful, but can you see how good it feels to have this love shine through you? You can walk with confidence and love and talk to almost anyone, and they cannot be a threat to you because you have the love from the Father. Sometime this week, think about the changes that have happened within you and marvel that this is just the beginning, this is just the first step. There are so many more exciting things to learn, to develop, and grow. Following the Father is truly an adventure, a thrill, not always easy but always worthwhile. This was not my lesson for this afternoon, but I see I have gotten carried away. But I did want you to recognize your own growth.

Iruka: . ..surrounds you, the Light of God enfolds you, the power of God protects you, wherever you are He is. Good afternoon, I am Iruka, I am your friend and teacher. What a delightful afternoon this has turned out to be. The warm sunlight and the birds are a sign of spring, and it is so nice to be able to sit outside. I wish to express to you my affection and my delight in your spiritual growth. You are working very hard, you have made this a priority in your life and you are indeed showing love to those around you. You have grown towards the Father, you have taken steps towards the light, it has not been easy. Can you pause for a moment and look back on where you were six months ago? How you approached a problem, how you approached an undesirable or unlovely person, someone you wish to avoid? Can you see the strides you have grown in just a few short months, that now you show love where before you avoided them. Now you engage them in conversation when before you only said what was necessary. I can see a growth, but I wanted you to be able to see your own. As you grow, you learn to love more. Growth is not easy, it is sometimes painful, but can you see how good it feels to have this love shine through you? You can walk with confidence and love and talk to almost anyone, and they cannot be a threat to you because you have the love from the Father. Sometime this week, think about the changes that have happened within you and marvel that this is just the beginning, this is just the first step. There are so many more exciting things to learn, to develop, and grow. Following the Father is truly an adventure, a thrill, not always easy but always worthwhile. This was not my lesson for this afternoon, but I see I have gotten carried away. But I did want you to recognize your own growth.

 

Our assignment for last week was to change the course of a conversation that was turning, or that had already turned, negative. This is hard to do at first, but with practice it becomes easier and if you had a chance to try it the reaction is not nearly as negative as you fear it will be. I would like to pause and see if anyone had the opportunity to change a conversation and if you feel comfortable, relate it to the group and tell if it was a positive experience to share your feelings and thoughts with others.

Our assignment for last week was to change the course of a conversation that was turning, or that had already turned, negative. This is hard to do at first, but with practice it becomes easier and if you had a chance to try it the reaction is not nearly as negative as you fear it will be. I would like to pause and see if anyone had the opportunity to change a conversation and if you feel comfortable, relate it to the group and tell if it was a positive experience to share your feelings and thoughts with others.

 

          [Pause for sharing by group]

[Pause for sharing by group]

 

I appreciate those who did, it is taking a risk. I think that half the battle is being aware and just noticing that the conversation is getting negative and noticing what you are saying, your words, how you are communicating or even how you are saying your words. And this is what I wanted you to become aware of, and I think that it can be difficult because so often times we talk without thinking or we talk without meaning what we say. So this was an exercise for you to notice your words. I will leave you with the same assignment since it will be several weeks before we meet like this again. Just notice how you say your words and what words you choose, and the impact they have on the other person. It is just something to become aware of, how others are perceiving you. If your goal is to show love, of course you want others to be aware of the love. You don't want certain phrases or attitudes to take away from that love. So you see this is the next step, you are showing love very, very freely. Now we are working on the perception of how people are seeing you and this love. I will now take questions.

I appreciate those who did, it is taking a risk. I think that half the battle is being aware and just noticing that the conversation is getting negative and noticing what you are saying, your words, how you are communicating or even how you are saying your words. And this is what I wanted you to become aware of, and I think that it can be difficult because so often times we talk without thinking or we talk without meaning what we say. So this was an exercise for you to notice your words. I will leave you with the same assignment since it will be several weeks before we meet like this again. Just notice how you say your words and what words you choose, and the impact they have on the other person. It is just something to become aware of, how others are perceiving you. If your goal is to show love, of course you want others to be aware of the love. You don't want certain phrases or attitudes to take away from that love. So you see this is the next step, you are showing love very, very freely. Now we are working on the perception of how people are seeing you and this love. I will now take questions.

S2: The challenge in my life and one particular in my life is to contrast your teachings with these others that have occurred in the past. Talking with my Dad about this he says that...well I can't remember exactly what he says, but the formulation I'm walking around in my mind with and I would like to check to see if this is healthy is that too often in these other events or however we are going to describe them, people lose themselves in trying to predict the future. Don't focus on the Father, wrap themselves up in the...this non-spiritual, nonphysical, exercise that divorces them from their true tasks, their true calling here. Is that a rationale that is good to live with?

S2: The challenge in my life and one particular in my life is to contrast your teachings with these others that have occurred in the past. Talking with my Dad about this he says that...well I can't remember exactly what he says, but the formulation I'm walking around in my mind with and I would like to check to see if this is healthy is that too often in these other events or however we are going to describe them, people lose themselves in trying to predict the future. Don't focus on the Father, wrap themselves up in the...this non-spiritual, nonphysical, exercise that divorces them from their true tasks, their true calling here. Is that a rationale that is good to live with?

Iruka: Again, I cannot comment on that. Know that the Father loves you, you pray over these matters and make your own judgements, and come to your conclusions. Just know you are loved and you are given the freedom to explore all avenues and then make your choices. [thanks]

Iruka: Again, I cannot comment on that. Know that the Father loves you, you pray over these matters and make your own judgements, and come to your conclusions. Just know you are loved and you are given the freedom to explore all avenues and then make your choices. [thanks]

G2: Hello Iruka, two questions, number one we have mutual friends G3 and I, and I was debating on introducing them to the group. It seemed that the course that they are on is spiritually sound and I didn't want to either cause doubt in the course that they were going or jeopardize our friendship. Basically I felt that when they were lecturing us and we were lecturing them on different aspects, we were basically preaching to the choir. How do you know when somebody is ready to be introduced to the group.

G2: Hello Iruka, two questions, number one we have mutual friends G3 and I, and I was debating on introducing them to the group. It seemed that the course that they are on is spiritually sound and I didn't want to either cause doubt in the course that they were going or jeopardize our friendship. Basically I felt that when they were lecturing us and we were lecturing them on different aspects, we were basically preaching to the choir. How do you know when somebody is ready to be introduced to the group.

Iruka: You just listen for the leading of your Thought Adjuster and go from there. You may not be able to tell, but that is how so many people have been introduced is a friend took a chance. The best thing I can say to you is don't let your relationship hinge on their accepting this group. Don't let them feel judged either way. Give them the freedom that the Father gives you. Love them unconditionally and let them make their own choices. This is something all humans love to have their own choice, non- judgmental, and unconditional love. But it is also so hard to turn around and give it to someone else. So when you feel, feel led, or you feel it is right, go ahead but remember if they back away, if they reject it they are not rejecting you and G3. Try to keep that separate, so it doesn't jeopardize the friendship. Your friendship will say more to them than anything else at this point. They will see your love and be drawn in. Does this help?

Iruka: You just listen for the leading of your Thought Adjuster and go from there. You may not be able to tell, but that is how so many people have been introduced is a friend took a chance. The best thing I can say to you is don't let your relationship hinge on their accepting this group. Don't let them feel judged either way. Give them the freedom that the Father gives you. Love them unconditionally and let them make their own choices. This is something all humans love to have their own choice, non- judgmental, and unconditional love. But it is also so hard to turn around and give it to someone else. So when you feel, feel led, or you feel it is right, go ahead but remember if they back away, if they reject it they are not rejecting you and G3. Try to keep that separate, so it doesn't jeopardize the friendship. Your friendship will say more to them than anything else at this point. They will see your love and be drawn in. Does this help?

G2: Yes it helps a lot. Another question. I was trying to talk to my teacher last night, are you aware of this?

G2: Yes it helps a lot. Another question. I was trying to talk to my teacher last night, are you aware of this?

Iruka: I was here. I have been here since everyone has been gathering and yes your teacher...I know your teacher and so I was aware that you are making small steps and reaching out to your teacher. Your teacher is very thrilled that you are trying to make contact with him. He is very excited, you have done very well. Just keep trying, relax, don't get nervous and it will be fine. Does this answer?

Iruka: I was here. I have been here since everyone has been gathering and yes your teacher...I know your teacher and so I was aware that you are making small steps and reaching out to your teacher. Your teacher is very thrilled that you are trying to make contact with him. He is very excited, you have done very well. Just keep trying, relax, don't get nervous and it will be fine. Does this answer?

J1: Hi Iruka, when you were talking to S2 earlier, he was asking questions about channelling and some other things and you

J1: Hi Iruka, when you were talking to S2 earlier, he was asking questions about channelling and some other things and you

declined to answer. And in the past you have declined to answer those type of questions. And I'm not going to ask you to answer the questions but I would be curious if you could at least tell us some of the factors that weigh in not answering those

declined to answer. And in the past you have declined to answer those type of questions. And I'm not going to ask you to answer the questions but I would be curious if you could at least tell us some of the factors that weigh in not answering those questions.

 

questions.

Iruka: Basically it is the crossing of the will. It might influence your attitude on others who are also seeking. We give into this human thing of I'm right you are wrong and that is not the case. Everyone is searching. Does this help?

Iruka: Basically it is the crossing of the will. It might influence your attitude on others who are also seeking. We give into this human thing of I'm right you are wrong and that is not the case. Everyone is searching. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes they are connected. That is essentially what happens. When you fuse with your Thought Adjuster, first the human has certain electro-chemical forces in their body and then the Thought Adjuster is a little piece of God with the power, with the intensity is the best word I can find. When they fuse, it ignites. Relatively few people from this planet have fused with their Thought Adjuster, but as more and more people start to search for the Father and grow to become like Him, it will start happening more and more. These people you said yourself are loved by their friends and family and they had a great love back for them and for the Father. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes they are connected. That is essentially what happens. When you fuse with your Thought Adjuster, first the human has certain electro-chemical forces in their body and then the Thought Adjuster is a little piece of God with the power, with the intensity is the best word I can find. When they fuse, it ignites. Relatively few people from this planet have fused with their Thought Adjuster, but as more and more people start to search for the Father and grow to become like Him, it will start happening more and more. These people you said yourself are loved by their friends and family and they had a great love back for them and for the Father. Does this help?

S2: Yes that is exciting, thanks.

S2: Yes that is exciting, thanks.

G3: Iruka, I am really confused now. When you fuse with your Thought Adjuster is that...I assume that is supposed to be something good and not something bad. When you burn up in a fire? I don't understand this, could you explain that it is supposed to be a positive thing or is this some kind of negative reaction and should we be looking forward to burning up.

G3: Iruka, I am really confused now. When you fuse with your Thought Adjuster is that...I assume that is supposed to be something good and not something bad. When you burn up in a fire? I don't understand this, could you explain that it is supposed to be a positive thing or is this some kind of negative reaction and should we be looking forward to burning up.

Iruka: Yes, and I just told you that hell did not exist. [laughter] Yes, this is something good and positive. And it does not hurt you, it is probably shocking to someone near you but to you it is the ultimate of fusing with the Father fragment and becoming one being. Then you can have true communication, true giving and taking and becoming one. It is not meant to be frightening. You have read about the seven circles that you are..as you go closer to the center to become closer and closer to the Father to learn to do His will, to learn to show love, to become like Him. On a planet of Light and Life there are indeed buildings that people go to and this is a celebration, this is a big party. This is joyous, this is like a wedding is here. Much gaiety and happiness, it is a goal that the person is finally close to achieving. And so all the friends and family gather. There is of course sadness as there would be a person who is moving away, but overall there is much joy and happiness, and yes it is a goal. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes, and I just told you that hell did not exist. [laughter] Yes, this is something good and positive. And it does not hurt you, it is probably shocking to someone near you but to you it is the ultimate of fusing with the Father fragment and becoming one being. Then you can have true communication, true giving and taking and becoming one. It is not meant to be frightening. You have read about the seven circles that you are..as you go closer to the center to become closer and closer to the Father to learn to do His will, to learn to show love, to become like Him. On a planet of Light and Life there are indeed buildings that people go to and this is a celebration, this is a big party. This is joyous, this is like a wedding is here. Much gaiety and happiness, it is a goal that the person is finally close to achieving. And so all the friends and family gather. There is of course sadness as there would be a person who is moving away, but overall there is much joy and happiness, and yes it is a goal. Does this help?

G3: Yes, so does that mean that we will all eventually start disappearing in this group? And that...could that explain disappearances of certain people who were not necessarily known to be murdered or dead but for some reason they just seemed to disappear from the face of the earth. I wonder if that could have happened to some people here on earth.

G3: Yes, so does that mean that we will all eventually start disappearing in this group? And that...could that explain disappearances of certain people who were not necessarily known to be murdered or dead but for some reason they just seemed to disappear from the face of the earth. I wonder if that could have happened to some people here on earth.

Iruka: Very few, no very few situations. They were mostly found in their homes, in their yards. It wasn't a case of being lost. What I mean their clothes, their belongings were found. So, no in answer to your question would this explain the disappearances, no in very few cases, no it wouldn't. Does this help? [yes]

Iruka: Very few, no very few situations. They were mostly found in their homes, in their yards. It wasn't a case of being lost. What I mean their clothes, their belongings were found. So, no in answer to your question would this explain the disappearances, no in very few cases, no it wouldn't. Does this help? [yes]

Iruka: After you fuse you are no longer a material creature so you could not stay here. If you are to become a teacher or to do whatever work you have to stay here, you would not fuse.

Iruka: After you fuse you are no longer a material creature so you could not stay here. If you are to become a teacher or to do whatever work you have to stay here, you would not fuse.

S1: Iruka, couple of healing questions. One of the reasons why I requested healing capabilities is because my heart was moved by some children I know who were abused and are what we call fetal alcohol syndrome children. Which is a terrible thing that's happening in our society when gals are getting pregnant and just drinking very, very heavily and the children bear this particular illness which makes them very hard to control and there is also other things related to similar drug addictions. Will healing, the healing capability that I have asked for be able to help me help these children, will they ever be normal. Is there anything that can be done for them? Because I am told there is nothing that can be done that we know such as the state of medical science now. There is nothing that can be done for them, at least that is what I have been told. So is there anything that I could do with healing capability of a Life Carrier.

S1: Iruka, couple of healing questions. One of the reasons why I requested healing capabilities is because my heart was moved by some children I know who were abused and are what we call fetal alcohol syndrome children. Which is a terrible thing that's happening in our society when gals are getting pregnant and just drinking very, very heavily and the children bear this particular illness which makes them very hard to control and there is also other things related to similar drug addictions. Will healing, the healing capability that I have asked for be able to help me help these children, will they ever be normal. Is there anything that can be done for them? Because I am told there is nothing that can be done that we know such as the state of medical science now. There is nothing that can be done for them, at least that is what I have been told. So is there anything that I could do with healing capability of a Life Carrier.

Iruka: First of all remember that with the Father, anything is possible. Do not limit Him. OK with that said, praying over these children can certainly improve things. I can see that your goal is to have them absolutely healed, absolutely perfect with no signs of any drugs or alcohol. That may not happen, it will depend from child to child. Also when you pray over someone, at any given time, their body can only absorb so much of the healing power. So you might consider going back at a later time and praying over them again. And this might be, this would be a growing, a gradual process. Everyone is different, depending on the damage, depending on many things, but try, certainly try, do not assume anything. You might be disappointed, or you might be delighted. You won't always know. So follow your instincts, follow the leading of your Life Carrier or your teacher and try. Does this help?

Iruka: First of all remember that with the Father, anything is possible. Do not limit Him. OK with that said, praying over these children can certainly improve things. I can see that your goal is to have them absolutely healed, absolutely perfect with no signs of any drugs or alcohol. That may not happen, it will depend from child to child. Also when you pray over someone, at any given time, their body can only absorb so much of the healing power. So you might consider going back at a later time and praying over them again. And this might be, this would be a growing, a gradual process. Everyone is different, depending on the damage, depending on many things, but try, certainly try, do not assume anything. You might be disappointed, or you might be delighted. You won't always know. So follow your instincts, follow the leading of your Life Carrier or your teacher and try. Does this help?

S1: Yes it does, but one other question, what do you mean by pray over. Is that a laying on of hands as I have heard about through other ceremonies or is it just praying for someone at the location. Could you explain this a little more.

S1: Yes it does, but one other question, what do you mean by pray over. Is that a laying on of hands as I have heard about through other ceremonies or is it just praying for someone at the location. Could you explain this a little more.

Iruka: Yes when you pray for someone, I was referring to touching them, holding their hands, putting your hands on their shoulders, or on their head. The power goes through your hands into their body. Does this explain? So that's when I referred to the body can only absorb so much power maybe after 10-15 minutes, and then stop, and then come back at a later time and try again. Yes this is physical, this is putting your hands on them. This is why it takes a while to clear out the circuits so that the power can go through with the least amount of interference as possible. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes when you pray for someone, I was referring to touching them, holding their hands, putting your hands on their shoulders, or on their head. The power goes through your hands into their body. Does this explain? So that's when I referred to the body can only absorb so much power maybe after 10-15 minutes, and then stop, and then come back at a later time and try again. Yes this is physical, this is putting your hands on them. This is why it takes a while to clear out the circuits so that the power can go through with the least amount of interference as possible. Does this help?

S1: Yes, that explains more. Is this action localized? For example, the children that I work with, or that I know, I believe the damage is done, resides, in their brains essentially. Through I believe some sort of chemical imbalance, I'm not an expert. And so therefore if someone, so in other words make that child a candidate to have me maybe put my hand on its head. What I am asking is, is the healing localized in the person where I place the hands. So if I place my hand on his hand, does that mean that this effort is diminished some because it has to traverse all the way up the arm up to the head. I am trying to visualize this and am I correct in assuming that it is localized?

S1: Yes, that explains more. Is this action localized? For example, the children that I work with, or that I know, I believe the damage is done, resides, in their brains essentially. Through I believe some sort of chemical imbalance, I'm not an expert. And so therefore if someone, so in other words make that child a candidate to have me maybe put my hand on its head. What I am asking is, is the healing localized in the person where I place the hands. So if I place my hand on his hand, does that mean that this effort is diminished some because it has to traverse all the way up the arm up to the head. I am trying to visualize this and am I correct in assuming that it is localized?

Iruka: Somewhat, let me explain. If you know they have a tumor in their head, or problems in their head and they would allow you to put your hands on their head, then do so. But it will still heal if you simply hold their hands with your hands, or hold their feet. It depends what kind of shape they are in. If the child will let you touch him, or if he is hyper, or will let you hold his hand, or if he is laying down and you can only hold his feet, it will go through the whole body, the power will get to the source of the problem. And actually having this power flood through the whole body makes the whole body feel better. Of course if you have your hand on their head the power will go down through their body from the head. It is an individual situation, everyone will be different. Use your best judgement. Does this explain?

Iruka: Somewhat, let me explain. If you know they have a tumor in their head, or problems in their head and they would allow you to put your hands on their head, then do so. But it will still heal if you simply hold their hands with your hands, or hold their feet. It depends what kind of shape they are in. If the child will let you touch him, or if he is hyper, or will let you hold his hand, or if he is laying down and you can only hold his feet, it will go through the whole body, the power will get to the source of the problem. And actually having this power flood through the whole body makes the whole body feel better. Of course if you have your hand on their head the power will go down through their body from the head. It is an individual situation, everyone will be different. Use your best judgement. Does this explain?

S1: Yes it gives me an idea how to approach it, how to visualize the healing effect. Sort of like a wave or a wave front something traveling through the body. One other question, when we pray for someone, I don't..praying...I'm not sure how I would be able to pray for 15 minutes, would this be over one particular item? I mean I could pray fervently but I don't know if I could pray fervently for 15 minutes over one thing, specifically the healing of someone. Are there any suggestions you have as how, what format I might go or how I might approach this?

S1: Yes it gives me an idea how to approach it, how to visualize the healing effect. Sort of like a wave or a wave front something traveling through the body. One other question, when we pray for someone, I don't..praying...I'm not sure how I would be able to pray for 15 minutes, would this be over one particular item? I mean I could pray fervently but I don't know if I could pray fervently for 15 minutes over one thing, specifically the healing of someone. Are there any suggestions you have as how, what format I might go or how I might approach this?

Iruka: Yes, certainly. Ask the person to get into a comfortable position. Whether he is sitting on the floor or on a couch or if he is in bed, if he is lying down in the hospital. Talk to him, tell him that you are going to pray over him, you're going to hold his hand, going to hold his feet, whatever you are going to do. Your are going to put your hands on his head. Your actual prayer need only be a few moments, just ask the Father to heal this person. To help you relax and be open, so the power may flow through you. Once you are finished, you can speak quietly with the person, you can lead them through a meditation, a relaxation meditation where when they start feeling bad they learn to relax and reach for the Father themselves. The same thing you do when you are in your meditation. Teach people how they can reach the Father themselves. You can talk quietly, the person can fall asleep. It is not necessary to pray for fifteen minutes....or just talking quietly. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes, certainly. Ask the person to get into a comfortable position. Whether he is sitting on the floor or on a couch or if he is in bed, if he is lying down in the hospital. Talk to him, tell him that you are going to pray over him, you're going to hold his hand, going to hold his feet, whatever you are going to do. Your are going to put your hands on his head. Your actual prayer need only be a few moments, just ask the Father to heal this person. To help you relax and be open, so the power may flow through you. Once you are finished, you can speak quietly with the person, you can lead them through a meditation, a relaxation meditation where when they start feeling bad they learn to relax and reach for the Father themselves. The same thing you do when you are in your meditation. Teach people how they can reach the Father themselves. You can talk quietly, the person can fall asleep. It is not necessary to pray for fifteen minutes....or just talking quietly. Does this help?

S1: Yes, if I understood you correctly, part of it is praying fervently, or praying for them and the laying on of hands where someone can contact each other, people can contact one another. And then another aspect of it is helping the person being healed to relax and to achieve a meditative state where they can seek the Father as well and that will help their healing also.

S1: Yes, if I understood you correctly, part of it is praying fervently, or praying for them and the laying on of hands where someone can contact each other, people can contact one another. And then another aspect of it is helping the person being healed to relax and to achieve a meditative state where they can seek the Father as well and that will help their healing also.

Iruka: Yes, now some individuals will not be open to this, so don't push it. So you might talk with them quietly, but staying still and staying relaxed will allow the power to flow. Does this help?

Iruka: Yes, now some individuals will not be open to this, so don't push it. So you might talk with them quietly, but staying still and staying relaxed will allow the power to flow. Does this help?

G3: Iruka, maybe I can ask a question that will help E1's question, if you can...OK this is an example. So far as healing is concerned, if someone had a brain tumor that could be operated on as opposed to someone praying for the brain tumor to be dissolved or whatever. I would assume that surgery would probably be a lot faster then and maybe could also help the person life to..would also help the person to quicker assume their daily functions, through surgery, opposed to the fact that a person could be prayed for, but the tumor would have to shrink probably and would probably take so long, the person would still be in pain for so long. I mean God can or could I'm sure shrink the tumor but is this an example, surgery opposed to someone who should get surgery opposed to someone who should have someone lay hands on them. Is this a good example of what you are referring to?

G3: Iruka, maybe I can ask a question that will help E1's question, if you can...OK this is an example. So far as healing is concerned, if someone had a brain tumor that could be operated on as opposed to someone praying for the brain tumor to be dissolved or whatever. I would assume that surgery would probably be a lot faster then and maybe could also help the person life to..would also help the person to quicker assume their daily functions, through surgery, opposed to the fact that a person could be prayed for, but the tumor would have to shrink probably and would probably take so long, the person would still be in pain for so long. I mean God can or could I'm sure shrink the tumor but is this an example, surgery opposed to someone who should get surgery opposed to someone who should have someone lay hands on them. Is this a good example of what you are referring to?

Iruka: Possibly, but in that situation both should be considered and both done. Some diseases will be healed instantly and some are not. There are many variable that play into this. I would both pray over that person and schedule surgery. It just depends on the situation. This is hard, it is a hard topic and there is no one way to do anything. You have many options, it is

Iruka: Possibly, but in that situation both should be considered and both done. Some diseases will be healed instantly and some are not. There are many variable that play into this. I would both pray over that person and schedule surgery. It just depends on the situation. This is hard, it is a hard topic and there is no one way to do anything. You have many options, it is difficult.

 

difficult.

G3: OK, by all means I will definitely pray for the person also. Does the laying on of hands, if you have the gift of healing or you have a Life Carrier who has given you, who is helping you with this, would that also help for someone who had a mental disorder. If you had the gift of healing would that also, could that possibly heal someone who is mentally unbalanced?

G3: OK, by all means I will definitely pray for the person also. Does the laying on of hands, if you have the gift of healing or you have a Life Carrier who has given you, who is helping you with this, would that also help for someone who had a mental disorder. If you had the gift of healing would that also, could that possibly heal someone who is mentally unbalanced?

Iruka: That is always possible. But the variables that dictate whether someone is actually healed are many. The person's attitude, and how he perceives himself and how he perceives himself getting well. This is a question that we still struggle on this side with. We don't know at this level at all yet, we don't understand everything, but we do know it is important to try. Does this help, maybe a little?

Iruka: That is always possible. But the variables that dictate whether someone is actually healed are many. The person's attitude, and how he perceives himself and how he perceives himself getting well. This is a question that we still struggle on this side with. We don't know at this level at all yet, we don't understand everything, but we do know it is important to try. Does this help, maybe a little?

G3: Yes, this helps a lot, especially when you were explaining earlier about, or just now, that different people respond differently to prayer because I have many times prayed for my father who has been in many...he seems to get himself into one bad situation after the other..and he has been in the hospital I don't know how many times. A lot of times, when he was in the hospital he was in there for serious, very serious things, and each time he would request that I would pray for him. And in some cases, almost immediately he was healed like the next day maybe he would be released from the hospital and he would go home and at other times when he was recently hospitalized for a severe car crash and he suffered internal injuries, brain damage, he was also miraculously recovered. I know other people have been praying for him too but for some reason I felt when I laid my hands on him and prayed...after about, I did pray over, and over, and over whether this one particular time, I prayed maybe I don't know how many times, every other day or every day I would go to the hospital and lay on hands on him and pray for him. His injuries were medically, the doctors said he may...he could have died and he may not ever recover. Right now mentally he is almost 85% back to where he was before the accident, and he is steadily recovering and physically he is 95% back to where he was before the accident. On the other hand I pray for my mother's eyesight where she has diabetes and her eyesight has been

G3: Yes, this helps a lot, especially when you were explaining earlier about, or just now, that different people respond differently to prayer because I have many times prayed for my father who has been in many...he seems to get himself into one bad situation after the other..and he has been in the hospital I don't know how many times. A lot of times, when he was in the hospital he was in there for serious, very serious things, and each time he would request that I would pray for him. And in some cases, almost immediately he was healed like the next day maybe he would be released from the hospital and he would go home and at other times when he was recently hospitalized for a severe car crash and he suffered internal injuries, brain damage, he was also miraculously recovered. I know other people have been praying for him too but for some reason I felt when I laid my hands on him and prayed...after about, I did pray over, and over, and over whether this one particular time, I prayed maybe I don't know how many times, every other day or every day I would go to the hospital and lay on hands on him and pray for him. His injuries were medically, the doctors said he may...he could have died and he may not ever recover. Right now mentally he is almost 85% back to where he was before the accident, and he is steadily recovering and physically he is 95% back to where he was before the accident. On the other hand I pray for my mother's eyesight where she has diabetes and her eyesight has been affected. I see an improvement in her but it is so minimal till I can't...you know . .the two people, I would expect her to be healed quicker than my father because she believes so strongly in the power of God but I have only prayed for her once or twice whereas I prayed for my father many, many times so maybe that also has to do with why she is not completely healed or her eyesight is not better than it is. I don't know, if that is a comment or a question. But that is what I wanted to say about that, if you wanted to comment on that feel free.

 

affected. I see an improvement in her but it is so minimal till I can't...you know . .the two people, I would expect her to be healed quicker than my father because she believes so strongly in the power of God but I have only prayed for her once or twice whereas I prayed for my father many, many times so maybe that also has to do with why she is not completely healed or her eyesight is not better than it is. I don't know, if that is a comment or a question. But that is what I wanted to say about that, if you wanted to comment on that feel free.

 

Iruka: Thank you for sharing and that really indicates how all the variables can work. That is a very good example, thank you.

Iruka: Thank you for sharing and that really indicates how all the variables can work. That is a very good example, thank you.

M1: Hello Iruka, I was wondering if you could explain how one can tell whether they are being guided by their spirit or guided by their intellect, and part of the reason I ask this question is because you had mentioned that human's get into this I'm right you're wrong thing. And I've read some things in the Urantia Book that I feel are right and I've talked with other people who have read the Bible and they say they are right. One point in fact is the question of Christ dying for our sins. I know the people who believe that Christ died for our sins are not sure whether they believe this because their spirit has guided them to that belief or it is something that they believe because of reading it and translating it into their mind, which is guiding them to believing things that may be incorrect.

M1: Hello Iruka, I was wondering if you could explain how one can tell whether they are being guided by their spirit or guided by their intellect, and part of the reason I ask this question is because you had mentioned that human's get into this I'm right you're wrong thing. And I've read some things in the Urantia Book that I feel are right and I've talked with other people who have read the Bible and they say they are right. One point in fact is the question of Christ dying for our sins. I know the people who believe that Christ died for our sins are not sure whether they believe this because their spirit has guided them to that belief or it is something that they believe because of reading it and translating it into their mind, which is guiding them to believing things that may be incorrect.

Iruka: When you attend church, you listen to the minister and you hear and accept what he says. And sometimes even if it doesn't sound right, if you have been going to church since you were five years old and you keep hearing it, it becomes true. Just because everybody keeps saying it. And so it is not necessarily that their inner spirit has told them this, it's that everybody on the outside has told them this. If you are listening to everyone on the outside, it is hard to hear the spirit on the inside. It depends on where you are focused. And of course, it's a guess on why somebody believes why they believe. But love these people, show them courtesy, whatever they believe. Does this help?

Iruka: When you attend church, you listen to the minister and you hear and accept what he says. And sometimes even if it doesn't sound right, if you have been going to church since you were five years old and you keep hearing it, it becomes true. Just because everybody keeps saying it. And so it is not necessarily that their inner spirit has told them this, it's that everybody on the outside has told them this. If you are listening to everyone on the outside, it is hard to hear the spirit on the inside. It depends on where you are focused. And of course, it's a guess on why somebody believes why they believe. But love these people, show them courtesy, whatever they believe. Does this help?

M1: Yes, it helps and I have had conversations and confrontations with people who don't believe certain things that I believe. I guess I, for some reason, feel that I want them to at least try to understand some of the things that I believe but it gets difficult at times and I guess when there is times when I could discuss certain things of Urantia teachings that I believe sometimes I just leave it alone to avoid a confrontation, and I'm wondering is that the correct way to go about this?

M1: Yes, it helps and I have had conversations and confrontations with people who don't believe certain things that I believe. I guess I, for some reason, feel that I want them to at least try to understand some of the things that I believe but it gets difficult at times and I guess when there is times when I could discuss certain things of Urantia teachings that I believe sometimes I just leave it alone to avoid a confrontation, and I'm wondering is that the correct way to go about this?

Iruka: Usually a confrontation doesn't really change anyone's mind. But take the example of Christ Michael, when he lived here he approached people and talked with them, usually by asking a general question about God. And what he tried to do was tell them truths, and not attack what they had wrong or what they believed that was wrong. Because the truth will soon force out the error. So find a place that you can agree on, find a topic that you both agree, and move out from there. And don't worry about the error, their own Thought Adjuster will take care of them. The spirit of truth will take care of them. And they might not listen to you, where they might listen to the spirit of truth. Sometimes, people build up walls and they don't want to listen to another human because that makes you right and them wrong. And they are threatened by that. So don't worry about their error. Communicate how much God loves them and they can agree with that. And just keep the person as a friend and as they open up and trust then show them new ideas. Does this help?

Iruka: Usually a confrontation doesn't really change anyone's mind. But take the example of Christ Michael, when he lived here he approached people and talked with them, usually by asking a general question about God. And what he tried to do was tell them truths, and not attack what they had wrong or what they believed that was wrong. Because the truth will soon force out the error. So find a place that you can agree on, find a topic that you both agree, and move out from there. And don't worry about the error, their own Thought Adjuster will take care of them. The spirit of truth will take care of them. And they might not listen to you, where they might listen to the spirit of truth. Sometimes, people build up walls and they don't want to listen to another human because that makes you right and them wrong. And they are threatened by that. So don't worry about their error. Communicate how much God loves them and they can agree with that. And just keep the person as a friend and as they open up and trust then show them new ideas. Does this help?

M1: Yes it does, thank you.

M1: Yes it does, thank you.

G2: Hello Iruka, I believe last session you made reference to another session whereby I believe you said Caligastia before he left, or was dispelled, put the aids virus on Urantia. Is that correct?

G2: Hello Iruka, I believe last session you made reference to another session whereby I believe you said Caligastia before he left, or was dispelled, put the aids virus on Urantia. Is that correct?

Iruka: Yes.

Iruka: Yes.

G2: Is the influx in healers being assigned to humans now, a reason to combat that or is it possible?

G2: Is the influx in healers being assigned to humans now, a reason to combat that or is it possible?

Iruka: At this time there is no known cure, but their lives can certainly be improved. They can certainly have more strength and feel better and live more, live better. So it would not be a waste to spend time in trying to heal them. Does this help?

Iruka: At this time there is no known cure, but their lives can certainly be improved. They can certainly have more strength and feel better and live more, live better. So it would not be a waste to spend time in trying to heal them. Does this help?

Iruka: There are indeed what you call auras around people. But most people cannot see them. Others have detected them and learned to see them, see them and know they are there. Not everyone can, but yes they are real. Was that your question?

Iruka: There are indeed what you call auras around people. But most people cannot see them. Others have detected them and learned to see them, see them and know they are there. Not everyone can, but yes they are real. Was that your question?

S2: Is the negative knot on my forehead real?

S2: Is the negative knot on my forehead real?

S2: Maybe I am feeling the absence of an aura, or maybe I am...this is enough of the conversation. I am lost as it is.

S2: Maybe I am feeling the absence of an aura, or maybe I am...this is enough of the conversation. I am lost as it is.

Iruka: Remember with God anything is possible, but I am not aware of what you are referring to, I am sorry.

Iruka: Remember with God anything is possible, but I am not aware of what you are referring to, I am sorry.

 

If there are no more questions, we will close for today. I enjoy these times when we get together, I look forward to them and I will miss you. You have a good week and show love to everyone you can. Good Evening.

If there are no more questions, we will close for today. I enjoy these times when we get together, I look forward to them and I will miss you. You have a good week and show love to everyone you can. Good Evening.

Group: Good Evening.

Group: Good Evening.