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==Session==

==Session==

[Lesson on The Paradise Trinity ]7/22/92

[Lesson on The [[Paradise Trinity]] ]7/22/92

===Opening===

===Opening===

I am Bertrand. I am your teacher. I welcome you again to our class and wish to express my joy at being here once again with my [[friends]]. . . . . The lesson this evening involves the [[Paradise Trinity]].

I am Bertrand. I am your [[teacher]]. I [[welcome]] you again to our class and [[wish]] to [[express]] my [[joy]] at being here once again with my [[friends]]. . . . . The lesson this evening involves the [[Paradise Trinity]].

===Lesson===

===Lesson===

Back in eternity, the [[Paradise Trinity]] came into being as the will of [[the Father]]. It is comprised of the [[Universal Father]], [[the Paradise Son]] and the [[Infinite Spirit]]. But while it includes these [[individual]]s, it is something different. On a mortal level it is akin to the unification of three individuals for some stated purpose. The unity of those three individuals acting as one, is something more than and something different than the summation of the parts.

Back in [[eternity]], the [[Paradise Trinity]] came into being as the will of [[the Father]]. It is comprised of the [[Universal Father]], [[the Paradise Son]] and the [[Infinite Spirit]]. But while it includes these [[individual]]s, it is something [[different]]. On a [[mortal]] level it is akin to the unification of three individuals for some stated [[purpose]]. The [[unity]] of those three individuals acting as one, is something more than and something different than the [[summation]] of the [[parts]].

So it is with the Paradise Trinity. As you proceed toward the Father, your [[knowledge]] of the Paradise Trinity will expand. As a mortal of the realm, it is very difficult to see any particular outworking of this Trinity. So, at least for the [[time]] being, it must remain more or less an [[intellectual]] [[concept]]. The [[analogy]] that is put forth in [[The Urantia Book]] adequately describes how the three persons of [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Foreword#DEITY_AND_DIVINITY Deity function] both individually and as a unit when it talks about the reference to being a corporation. The Paradise Trinity functions on the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Foreword#X._GOD_THE_ABSOLUTE absolute levels] of [[reality]]. They function as the first Trinity.

So it is with the [[Paradise Trinity]]. As you proceed toward [[the Father]], your [[knowledge]] of the Paradise Trinity will expand. As a [[mortal]] of the realm, it is very difficult to see any particular outworking of this [[Trinity]]. So, at least for the [[time]] being, it must remain more or less an [[intellectual]] [[concept]]. The [[analogy]] that is put forth in [[The Urantia Book]] adequately describes how the three persons of [0:1 Deity and Divinity|Deity function] both individually and as a unit when it talks about the reference to being a [[corporation]]. The [[Paradise Trinity]] functions on the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Foreword#X._GOD_THE_ABSOLUTE absolute levels] of [[reality]]. They function as the first Trinity.

It is projected that eventually there will be [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Foreword#XII._THE_TRINITIES Experiential Trinity] comprised of the Supreme, the Creator Sons and the Master Universe Controllers. A third Trinity will be a Trinity comprised of the Ultimates and it is conjectured that even these [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Foreword#XII._THE_TRINITIES three Trinities] may at some time in the far distant future, beyond the [[Grand Universe]] age, that they themselves will form a [http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/foreword.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/foreword.html&line=1293#mfs Trinity of undisclosed duty]. This concept of [http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper106.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper106.html&line=141#mfs trinitization of God the Father,the Son and the Spirit], while functioning individually in the universe, coming together to occupy a single entity is even difficult for my understanding. It is difficult to understand the ultimate goal of the functioning. So if your understanding level is not to your need, be patient. In time, and in this case I'm speaking of [[aeon]]s, it will become clear to both you and I. I thank you for your patience with me and my presentation.

It is [[projected]] that [[eventually]] there will be [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Foreword#XII._THE_TRINITIES Experiential Trinity] comprised of [[the Supreme]], the [[Creator Sons]] and the Master Universe Controllers. A third Trinity will be a Trinity comprised of the Ultimates and it is conjectured that even these [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Foreword#XII._THE_TRINITIES three Trinities] may at some time in the far distant future, beyond the [[Grand Universe]] age, that they themselves will form a [0:12 The Trinities|Trinity of undisclosed duty]. This concept of [106:8. THE TRINITY OF TRINITIES|trinitization of God the Father,the Son and the Spirit], while functioning individually in the universe, coming together to occupy a single [[entity]] is even [[difficult]] for my understanding. It is difficult to understand the [[ultimate]] goal of the functioning. So if your [[understanding]] level is not to your need, be [[patient]]. In time, and in this case I'm speaking of [[aeon]]s, it will become clear to both you and I. I thank you for your [[patience]] with me and my presentation.

It is a difficult concept. I will now take questions.

It is a difficult concept. I will now take questions.

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

[Your Interactions With Reality Become [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Foreword#VII._THE_SUPREME_BEING Supreme] [[Revelation]]s]7/2292

[Your Interactions With Reality Become [[0:7 The Supreme Being|Supreme]] [[Revelation]]s]7/2292

STUDENT: Good evening and welcome to you tonight. I think we're all aware, that as finite our [[mind]]s are very circumspect and extremely limited. You mentioned that as we progress in our journey [[Paradise]]ward, that our knowledge would be expanded in terms of the trinity. I was reading in [[The Urantia Book]] that as one ascends Paradiseward, he will many times [[experience]] astonishment at successive [[revelation]]s and unexpected discoveries of trinity, supremacy, and ultimacy, if not of the absoluteness. My question would be, how would this trinity of supremacy and ultimacy and absoluteness manifest itself to us as our minds expand [[cosmic]]ally? Would there be some type of revelation?

STUDENT: Good evening and welcome to you tonight. I think we're all [[aware]], that as finite our [[mind]]s are very circumspect and extremely [[limited]]. You mentioned that as we [[progress]] in our [[journey]] [[Paradise]]ward, that our knowledge would be expanded in terms of the [[trinity]]. I was reading in [[The Urantia Book]] that as one ascends Paradiseward, he will many times [[experience]] astonishment at successive [[revelation]]s and unexpected [[discoveries]] of [[trinity]], [[supremacy]], and [[ultimacy]], if not of the [[absoluteness]]. My question would be, how would this trinity of supremacy and ultimacy and absoluteness manifest itself to us as our [[minds]] expand [[cosmic]]ally? Would there be some type of [[revelation]]?

BERTRAND My friend, [[words]] to not exist for which I can express how these revelations of [[God the Supreme]] is made manifest to your [[ascendant]] mind. I can say that they will be associated with your interaction, they will be revealed through your interaction with other personalities. In your [[ascension career]], most of your experience, experience that is necessary to proceed, is gained from your inter-association, working with and working for other ascendant mortal [[being]]s. And it is through this intimate association that certain aspects of the [[Paradise Trinity]] will be revealed. That's the best I can do.

BERTRAND My friend, [[words]] to not exist for which I can [[express]] how these [[revelations]] of [[God the Supreme]] is made [[manifest]] to your [[ascendant]] mind. I can say that they will be [[associated]] with your [[interaction]], they will be revealed through your interaction with other [[personalities]]. In your [[ascension career]], most of your [[experience]], experience that is necessary to proceed, is gained from your inter-[[association]], working with and working for other [[40:6 The Faith Sons of God|ascendant mortal being]]s. And it is through this [[intimate]] association that certain aspects of the [[Paradise Trinity]] will be revealed. That's the best I can do.

STUDENT: Thank you. . . . .

STUDENT: Thank you. . . . .

STUDENT: Our study [[group]], recently, in the last three months studied the trinity paper. And what I got out of it was that...let's see if I've got it....the Father and Son and the Spirit when they function as the trinity it's like they're a corporation; but, there are times when they don't function as that corporation even though they're all three together, figuratively of course.

STUDENT: Our study [[group]], recently, in the last three months studied the [[trinity]] paper. And what I got out of it was that...let's see if I've got it....[[the Father]] and [[Eternal Son|Son]] and the [[Infinite Spirit|Spirit]] when they function as the [[trinity]] it's like they're a [[corporation]]; but, there are times when they don't [[function]] as that corporation even though they're all three together, figuratively of course.

BERTRAND: True.

BERTRAND: True.

STUDENT: And they can function independently and individually also, theoretically. Like for instance, the [[Thought Adjuster]] is a function solely given of [[the Father]], the [[First Source and Center]].

STUDENT: And they can function independently and individually also, theoretically. Like for instance, the [[Thought Adjuster]] is a [[function]] solely given of [[the Father]], the [[First Source and Center]].

BERTRAND: Correct.

BERTRAND: Correct.

STUDENT: We were laughing about it because we said that the trinity could go play golf as a corporation and they could be like three different cards, three different players. But, in that capacity they'd be [[individuals]].

STUDENT: We were [[laughing]] about it because we said that the [[trinity]] could go play golf as a corporation and they could be like three different cards, three different players. But, in that capacity they'd be [[individuals]].

BERTRAND: Yes, they would be. But, if the three of them made a decree or mandate, or decided the direction for the corporation, in that case they would be acting as the trinity. If each one were making decisions about his particular department, they would be acting individually.

BERTRAND: Yes, they would be. But, if the three of them made a [[decree]] or [[mandate]], or decided the direction for the [[corporation]], in that case they would be [[acting]] as the trinity. If each one were making [[decisions]] about his particular department, they would be acting [[individually]].

STUDENT: So, if they talked about the Trinity, they'd get a "write-off", right?

STUDENT: So, if they talked about the [[Trinity]], they'd get a "write-off", right?

STUDENT: Veronica....that's a bad attempt at finite humor, Bertrand!!

STUDENT: Veronica....that's a bad attempt at [[finite]] [[humor]], Bertrand!!

BERTRAND: I think I understand what you mean. . . . .

BERTRAND: I think I [[understand]] what you mean. . . . .

STUDENT: I'm trying to come to the most simple terms in understanding this. If there was a simple way to explain the function of the Father, the Son and the Spirit, I believe I recall that the Son's function is the expression of the Father's [[personality]]?

STUDENT: I'm trying to come to the most simple terms in [[understanding]] this. If there was a simple way to explain the function of the Father, the Son and the Spirit, I believe I recall that the Son's function is the expression of the Father's [[personality]]?

BERTRAND: The Son is the perfect personality [[pattern]].

BERTRAND: [[The Son]] is the perfect [[personality]] [[pattern]].

STUDENT: The Spirit is the acting out of the Son and the Father's will?

STUDENT: [[The Spirit]] is the acting out of [[the Son]] and [[the Father]]'s will?

BERTRAND: The God of action, yes.

BERTRAND: The God of action, yes.

STUDENT: Okay. How about the Father, then?

STUDENT: Okay. How about [[the Father]], then?

BERTRAND: The Father is active throughout the [[universe]] in many ways. Separately, and in conjunction with either, or all of his associates of [[Deity]]. Can you be more specific?

BERTRAND: [[The Father]] is active throughout the [[universe]] in many ways. Separately, and in conjunction with either, or all of his [[associates]] of [[Deity]]. Can you be more specific?

STUDENT: No. I can't. I guess I'm just trying to put a simple word on something that is not simple to explain.

STUDENT: No. I can't. I guess I'm just trying to put a simple [[word]] on something that is not [[simple]] to [[explain]].

BERTRAND: God functions within the universe individually, for instance, through the [[Thought Adjuster]]. That is a singular, one only function. [[The Paradise Son]] and the [[Infinite Spirit]], neither are participants in that function of the Universal Father. The Son, in his functioning in the universe, is both in conjunction with the Father and individually. The Paradise Infinite Spirit functions individually and in association with both the Father and the Son. And they function as a unified entity in the form of the Paradise Trinity. Perhaps the [[analogy]] of a town mayor, or a city mayor, a city council, Chief of Police. They function individually, but occasionally, they form a unit and function as a whole. Sometimes with some level of . ....one [[moment]]......I'm sorry for the delay....proceed.

BERTRAND: God functions within the universe individually, for instance, through the [[Thought Adjuster]]. That is a singular, one only function. [[The Paradise Son]] and the [[Infinite Spirit]], neither are participants in that function of the Universal Father. The Son, in his functioning in the universe, is both in conjunction with the Father and individually. The Paradise Infinite Spirit functions individually and in association with both the Father and the Son. And they function as a unified entity in the form of the Paradise Trinity. Perhaps the [[analogy]] of a town mayor, or a city mayor, a city council, Chief of Police. They function individually, but occasionally, they form a unit and function as a whole. Sometimes with some level of . ....one [[moment]]......I'm sorry for the delay....proceed.