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A: There are some that only [[the Father]] may [[access]], but those are relatively few. There is a [[mota]] concept which, simply stated, is "The [[universe]] is a [[cooperative]] of [[function]] and [[knowledge]]." Many, many, of what you call "[[secrets]]" are common [[knowledge]] at relatively low levels of universe [[ascension]]. For those of us who are [[ascending mortals]], this is not only part of the [[educational]] program, but in [[fact]], this [[knowledge]] is made available because it is [[necessary]] to have this [[information]] in order to proceed with our work. However, there are particular matters such as the [[incarnation]] of a [[Creator Son]] in a [[mortal]] woman that are reserved for only the celestials, and that for a [[functional]] [[purpose]] as well. It also is due to the [[fact]] that to effect such an [[incarnation]] requires the concerted efforts of many, many, many beings beyond [[simply]] [[Life Carriers]] and [[Physical Controllers]]. There was a veritable army of higher beings attendant upon [[Jesus]] the [[babe]], the child, and the man throughout the brief period of his [[human]] [[incarnation]]. The [[administration]] and [[coordination]] of this corps of beings required a fairly high level of [[administrative]] [[function]] and [[expertise]]. Just as in your [[armies]] on [[Urantia]], so too in the [[administration]] of [[the universe]]. As one [[ascends]] one has first only one's [[self]] to be responsible for, then a few beings, possibly [[children]], then more and more. When you reach the step at which you will be ready for your [[Paradise]] [[journey]] you will have the [[responsibility]] for the safeguarding of many, many, many [[ascending mortals]] as well as other created beings entrusted to you. And even at that [[point]] you will not be privy to the [[secret]] of [[incarnation]] because it will be neither useful nor [[necessary]] for you. Does that answer? (05/22/93)

A: There are some that only [[the Father]] may [[access]], but those are relatively few. There is a [[mota]] concept which, simply stated, is "The [[universe]] is a [[cooperative]] of [[function]] and [[knowledge]]." Many, many, of what you call "[[secrets]]" are common [[knowledge]] at relatively low levels of universe [[ascension]]. For those of us who are [[ascending mortals]], this is not only part of the [[educational]] program, but in [[fact]], this [[knowledge]] is made available because it is [[necessary]] to have this [[information]] in order to proceed with our work. However, there are particular matters such as the [[incarnation]] of a [[Creator Son]] in a [[mortal]] woman that are reserved for only the celestials, and that for a [[functional]] [[purpose]] as well. It also is due to the [[fact]] that to effect such an [[incarnation]] requires the concerted efforts of many, many, many beings beyond [[simply]] [[Life Carriers]] and [[Physical Controllers]]. There was a veritable army of higher beings attendant upon [[Jesus]] the [[babe]], the child, and the man throughout the brief period of his [[human]] [[incarnation]]. The [[administration]] and [[coordination]] of this corps of beings required a fairly high level of [[administrative]] [[function]] and [[expertise]]. Just as in your [[armies]] on [[Urantia]], so too in the [[administration]] of [[the universe]]. As one [[ascends]] one has first only one's [[self]] to be responsible for, then a few beings, possibly [[children]], then more and more. When you reach the step at which you will be ready for your [[Paradise]] [[journey]] you will have the [[responsibility]] for the safeguarding of many, many, many [[ascending mortals]] as well as other created beings entrusted to you. And even at that [[point]] you will not be privy to the [[secret]] of [[incarnation]] because it will be neither useful nor [[necessary]] for you. Does that answer? (05/22/93)

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Q: As regards to [[universe administration]], since we've learned that a [[Lanonandek Son]] like [[Caligastia]] could [[default]] in his [[mission]], but no [[Creator Son]] has ever defaulted, it seems to me there's a built-in [[safety]] device into the way all that works, because it allows for default up unto a certain level of [[administration]], but not above a certain level, is that true or false?

Q: As regards to [[universe administration]], since we've learned that a [[Lanonandek Son]] like [[Caligastia]] could [[default]] in his [[mission]], but no [[Creator Son]] has ever defaulted, it seems to me there's a built-in [[safety]] device into the way all that works, because it allows for default up unto a certain level of [[administration]], but not above a certain level, is that true or false?

Q: It is my [[understanding]] that Caligastia is [[responsible]] to some [[degree]] for some of the [[health]] problems which we are now facing, and I was just [[wondering]] if you would be permitted to [[clarify]] some of that. I'm just frankly aghast that such a high being, even in [[default]], would do something so [[pernicious]].

Q: It is my [[understanding]] that Caligastia is [[responsible]] to some [[degree]] for some of the [[health]] problems which we are now facing, and I was just [[wondering]] if you would be permitted to [[clarify]] some of that. I'm just frankly aghast that such a high being, even in [[default]], would do something so [[pernicious]].

A: Yes, it is most unfortunate. Every newly ascended being from the material plane in this local universe has as one of their first lessons in depth instruction on the Caligastia rebellion, for there are many a lesson therein. You must understand that Caligastia did not embark upon his course because he wished pain and suffering to come to man on Urantia. Rather he thought he knew better than the Father and the Father's administrators who were his directors. And his wilful actions to go against instruction were undertaken in that spirit of pride. All of us have done such things. But none of us has been in a high level of universe authority where our actions could have such enormous repercussions, and therefore each of us has not been directly responsible for the suffering of untold generations of beings on a number of planets as has Caligastia. It takes such a small amount of difference in direction on the universe scale to have the enormous effect over the course of time. A fraction of a degree difference in direction, that is all that Caligastia's behavior affected, and yet the result was to essentially derail the basic plan leading toward the establishment of Light and Life on Urantia quite severely.

A: Yes, it is most unfortunate. Every newly [[ascended being]] from the [[material]] [[plane]] in this [[local universe]] has as one of their first lessons in depth instruction on the [[Paper 67 - The Planetary Rebellion|Caligastia rebellion]], for there are many a lesson therein. You must understand that [[Caligastia]] did not embark upon his [[course]] because he wished [[pain]] and suffering to come to man on [[Urantia]]. Rather he thought he knew better than [[the Father]] and the Father's [[administrators]] who were his directors. And his wilful [[actions]] to go against instruction were undertaken in that spirit of [[pride]]. All of us have done such things. But none of us has been in a high level of [[universe]] [[authority]] where our [[actions]] could have such enormous [[repercussions]], and therefore each of us has not been directly [[responsible]] for the [[suffering]] of untold [[generations]] of beings on a [[Isolated worlds|number of planets]] as has [[Caligastia]]. It takes such a small amount of [[difference]] in [[direction]] on the universe [[scale]] to have the enormous [[effect]] over the course of [[time]]. A fraction of a degree difference in [[direction]], that is all that [[Caligastia]]'s behavior affected, and yet the result was to essentially derail the basic [[plan]] leading toward the establishment of [[Light and Life]] on [[Urantia]] quite severely.

The major impact of Caligastia's disobedience was the severance of the universe circuits to Urantia and other planets involved in the rebellion, because when this severance occurred man was left far, far more to his own physical being than would have been the case otherwise. If you starve a living creature of one essential nutrient the creature will live, but its function will be impaired. A good example is vitamin or mineral malnutrition. This is analogous to what happened when the universe circuits were severed to contain the rebellion. Man continued to live but did not thrive as had been intended because of a stunting of spiritual growth. Yes, prayers were still answered, but through a detour - if you will - and less expeditiously than otherwise would have been the case. Yes, there were beings - are beings - here to help you, Midwayers and beyond. But because of lack of access to the universe circuits it was immeasurably harder for these helpers to assist man as he sought daily guidance in spiritual growth.

The major [[impact]] of [[Caligastia]]'s disobedience was the severance of the universe [[circuits]] to [[Urantia]] and [[Isolated worlds|other planets involved in the rebellion]], because when this severance occurred man was left far, far more to his own [[physical]] being than would have been the case otherwise. If you [[starve]] a living [[creature]] of one [[essential]] nutrient the creature will live, but its [[function]] will be impaired. A good example is vitamin or mineral malnutrition. This is [[analogous]] to what happened when the universe [[circuits]] were severed to contain [[the rebellion]]. Man continued to live but did not thrive as had been [[intended]] because of a stunting of [[spiritual growth]]. Yes, [[prayers]] were still answered, but through a [[detour]] - if you will - and less expeditiously than otherwise would have been the case. Yes, there were beings - are [[beings]] - here to help you, [[Midwayers]] and beyond. But because of lack of [[access]] to the universe [[circuits]] it was immeasurably harder for these helpers to [[assist]] man as he sought daily [[guidance]] in [[spiritual growth]].

On the large scale of time Caligastia's effect on man has been little more than a drop in the ocean. That is, I know, difficult to believe because of the time scale on which your material lives are based, but the problem was fixed almost as soon as it happened on a universe scale - quite quickly. The effects on personal heath, yes, that is true. Caligastia's uprising, his disobedience, did indeed have profound effects on the health of humans - and animals, I should note - on Urantia.

On the large [[scale]] of [[time]] [[Caligastia]]'s [[effect]] on man has been little more than a drop in the [[ocean]]. That is, I know, [[difficult]] to believe because of the time scale on which your [[material]] lives are based, but the [[problem]] was fixed almost as soon as it happened on a [[universe]] [[scale]] - quite quickly. The [[effects]] on [[personal]] [[health]], yes, that is true. [[Caligastia]]'s uprising, his disobedience, did indeed have [[profound]] effects on the [[health]] of humans - and [[animals]], I should note - on [[Urantia]].

Not only was the full power of spiritual and intellectual recourse to bodily disfunction greatly hampered, but also, because this is an experimental planet, certain - there is a certain lability about the effects of environmental agents, including sunlight, extraneous radiation, chemical effects, on the physical body that these - this lability could have been managed far better had not the universe circuits been severed. However, because of the spiritual malnutrition - if you will - that has occurred over the ages on Urantia, mankind is now in the position of suffering from many disorders such as cancer that could have been handled far more easily in the pre-Caligastian state. Does that answer? (Yes, thank you.)

Not only was the full [[power]] of [[spiritual]] and [[intellectual]] recourse to bodily dysfunction greatly hampered, but also, because this is an [[experimental planet]], certain - there is a certain liability about the [[effects]] of [[environmental]] agents, including sunlight, extraneous [[radiation]], [[chemical]] effects, on the [[physical]] [[body]] that these - this liability could have been managed far better had not the universe [[circuits]] been severed. However, because of the spiritual malnutrition - if you will - that has occurred over the [[ages]] on [[Urantia]], [[mankind]] is now in the position of [[suffering]] from many disorders such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer cancer] that could have been handled far more easily in the pre-Caligastian state. Does that answer? (Yes, thank you.)

Q: Rayson, we have heard that when Caligastia heard the results of the adjudication of the case Gabriel v. Lucifer he found that they had deposed him as Planetary Prince and said "If I cannot be Planetary Prince, neither can anyone else" and designed certain diseases such as AIDS, tuberculosis, etc., which were designed to wipe out the population of the earth. Is that correct?

Q: Rayson, we have heard that when [[Caligastia]] heard the results of the [[adjudication]] of the case Gabriel v. Lucifer he found that they had deposed him as [[Planetary Prince]] and said "If I cannot be Planetary Prince, neither can anyone else" and designed certain [[diseases]] such as [[AIDS]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis tuberculosis], etc., which were [[designed]] to wipe out the [[population]] of the [[earth]]. Is that correct?

A: What do you think, my son?

A: What do you think, my son?

S: Since I have heard it from the celestials, I think it probably is true.

S: Since I have heard it from the celestials, I think it probably is true.

R: Hm. Moment. I am permitted to comment in this fashion. Yes, Caligastia had certain powers, however Life Carriers and Physical Controller answer to a higher authority than a Planetary Prince, and when instructed to follow a dubious course they always seek higher guidance. To attribute animal behavior to a Lanonandek Son is lacking in understanding of what a Lanonandek son is, and what an animal is. The disobedience of Caligastia was not disobedience in the sense that a human would disobey, or an animal. And the details of such disobedience were far more concerned with administrative structure than with such emotions as rage, spitefulness, even ego. Caligastia's illness, if you want to call it that, was cosmic insanity. It is conceivable that he may have designed illnesses, but highly unlikely, particularly without the assistance of the life Carriers and Physical Controllers. You must also remember that once freewill creatures had been established upon Urantia the role of the Life Carrier here became very much circumscribed, and the administrative structure governing their actions was altered as well. I am instructed that at this point a direct answer to this question is not in the best interest of this mission, but it would be better for your group to discuss the matter that you bring up and to attempt to reach a consensus. (Thank you.) You are welcome. (05/22/93)

R: Hm. Moment. I am [[permitted]] to comment in this [[Manner|fashion]]. Yes, [[Caligastia]] had certain powers, however [[Life Carriers]] and [[Physical Controller]] answer to a higher [[authority]] than a [[Planetary Prince]], and when instructed to follow a dubious course they always seek higher [[guidance]]. To [[attribute]] [[animal]] behavior to a [[Lanonandek]] Son is lacking in [[understanding]] of what a Lanonandek son is, and what an [[animal]] is. The disobedience of Caligastia was not disobedience in the sense that a [[human]] would disobey, or an [[animal]]. And the details of such disobedience were far more concerned with [[administrative]] [[structure]] than with such [[emotions]] as [[rage]], spitefulness, even [[ego]]. Caligastia's illness, if you want to call it that, was [[cosmic]] [[insanity]]. It is conceivable that he may have designed illnesses, but highly unlikely, particularly without the [[assistance]] of the [[Life Carriers]] and [[Physical Controllers]]. You must also [[remember]] that once [[freewill]] creatures had been established upon [[Urantia]] the role of the [[Life Carrier]] here became very much circumscribed, and the [[administrative]] [[structure]] governing their [[actions]] was altered as well. I am instructed that at this point a direct answer to this question is not in the best interest of [[this mission]], but it would be better for your [[group]] to discuss the matter that you bring up and to attempt to reach a [[consensus]]. (Thank you.) You are welcome. (05/22/93)

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